2nd Ed Rhino/Modern Rhino Size Comparison

[ElectricPaladin]

So, I just bought at "pre 3rd edition" rhino on eBay. I want to know how the size of this model is going to match up to the size of the other, more modern rhino that I also bought?

Here are some pictures, to help you figure out which kind:

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I think it's going to be neat to have a wide variety of rhinos in my force, representing how Space Marine chapters repair and rebuild their vehicles and keep them in circulation as long as possible... but the effect will be a little spoiled if the thing is tiny or enormous.

Thanks in advance.

[daboarder]

They are noticeably smaller, about a space marine head lower at the top.

still awesome though.

[wittdooley]

Yeah, they are considerably smaller. I, personally, do not like them. Now, the FW Deimos equivalent....thats a whole diff story.

[ElectricPaladin]

They are noticeably smaller, about a space marine head lower at the top.

still awesome though.

I wonder... if I have some plasticard - and I do - how hard do you think it would be to make the rhino a little bigger?

[inquisitorsog]

I wonder... if I have some plasticard - and I do - how hard do you think it would be to make the rhino a little bigger?
I think that would be a fair bit of work to get it to look right. The front is pretty severely sloped, so the "right" way would be to extend it down, not up I think.
I would be tempted to simply put it on a bit of a base to get to stand a bit higher. It's been a long time since I've seen one in person, so I might be totally speaking out of my butt on that.

Are you only intending this to be for a display? You may not need to do anything. You can use the fact that they are smaller to add a bit of perspective to the display. Place them behind the new rhinos and they will look like they are a bit further back then they actually are. I've done this with different scale cars in the past and it can really create a large perception of depth if you spend a bit of time fiddling with it.

[ElectricPaladin]

I think that would be a fair bit of work to get it to look right. The front is pretty severely sloped, so the "right" way would be to extend it down, not up I think.
I would be tempted to simply put it on a bit of a base to get to stand a bit higher. It's been a long time since I've seen one in person, so I might be totally speaking out of my butt on that.

Are you only intending this to be for a display? You may not need to do anything. You can use the fact that they are smaller to add a bit of perspective to the display. Place them behind the new rhinos and they will look like they are a bit further back then they actually are. I've done this with different scale cars in the past and it can really create a large perception of depth if you spend a bit of time fiddling with it.

Nah, I'm intending to use it in actual play.

[Kirsten]

looks like one of my old rhinos, what a small world that would be. I am with Witt on this one, don't like the old stuff, but the forge world retro stuff is kinda cool, not sure why exactly.

[ElectricPaladin]

I actually don't think this would be too difficult.

1) Cut off the top plate of the main chassis.
2) Because the main body is quadrilateral, all I need to do is extend the front, back, and side walls in the same directions they are already going.
3) Now, then there's the side sections...
4a) I might be able to leave them alone, to be honest. It would result in a rhino that doesn't look exactly like a bigger version of the 2nd edition rhino, because the top of the center region would extend a half an inch over the side sections, but I don't think that it would look bad.
4b) If I decide that it would look bad, extending the side sections wouldn't be hard. Cut off the top, extend the sides, and then cut down the top to accomodate the fact that as the side is trapezoidal. I can mitigate the weirdness by moving the headlights up to the top, where they are in a modern rhino.

What do you think?

[magickbk]

I just ran downstairs and took a quick photo of an old Rhino, and a new one from my project pile.

http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8178/8052103665_659264137d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47042253@N08/8052103665/)
rhinos (http://www.flickr.com/photos/47042253@N08/8052103665/) by magickbk (http://www.flickr.com/people/47042253@N08/), on Flickr

As you can see, they aren't that far apart in size, but for some reason it seems a lot different on the table. The new one has a bulkier feel to those new dimensions. If you were able to find them, GW used to make pewter Extra Armor sets to attach to the Rhino. They made the kit much bulkier.

[ElectricPaladin]

I just ran downstairs and took a quick photo of an old Rhino, and a new one from my project pile.

...As you can see, they aren't that far apart in size, but for some reason it seems a lot different on the table. The new one has a bulkier feel to those new dimensions. If you were able to find them, GW used to make pewter Extra Armor sets to attach to the Rhino. They made the kit much bulkier.

Thanks for your efforts! Yes... the difference really isn't that remarkable. I may be fine leaving it alone. I will see if I can find an extra armor kit, though...

EDIT: The Forgeworld kit will cost me 30$. Ugh. Fortunately someone (http://thegoldend6.com/painting-and-modelling/rhino-extra-armour) produced a template I can use. Print it out, paste it to some plasticard, and glue them in place. Looks like it might do the trick.

[magickbk]

A simple addition of a dozer blade really spruces up the old kit. Those old spike bars I always thought were pretty hideous.

[whargoul666]

Put it on a base, 1/8 inch mdf board brings it right up to about the right size.

[Erronius]

I wonder... if I have some plasticard - and I do - how hard do you think it would be to make the rhino a little bigger?

I'd say do it. I am fiddling around with some old rhinos myself, and I'm just using old MMO subscription cards for plastic card (I have thicker card, just wanted to see how it would work recycled, they were a little bit too thin in retrospect). I'll prob leave gaps so that mine look like ad-hoc spaced extra armor but no reason that I can think if that you couldn't make some with smooth edges and try to emulate the new rhino armor.

http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=219191&stc=1&d=1349324205

[sprugly]

I have an old rhino in my marine army that I altered by adding the guard track guards to the top of the side sections. You have to cut the inner lips off them but it does help to slightly enlarge the hull of the thing. It's packed up for a game at the mo but if you want a pic I can get one up here at some point.

Sprugly

[ElectricPaladin]

...It's packed up for a game at the mo but if you want a pic I can get one up here at some point.

Sprugly

That would be great, thanks.

[sprugly]

Rhino pics with razorback hull as comparison.

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x62/sprugly/IMAG0398.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x62/sprugly/IMAG0397.jpg

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x62/sprugly/IMAG0396.jpg

Hope they help
Sprugly

[ElectricPaladin]

Hope they help
Sprugly


Thanks.

Increasingly, I think, it looks like I haven't got much to be worried about. The old model is smaller, but not that much smaller. If I make it a little broader with the home made extra armor kit and a little taller with an extra layer of plasticard on top of the tracks - like the guard track guards, but home made - it will be fine. A little smaller, sure, but not absurdly so.

A lot of my concern is based on seeing a friend's Rogue Trader era metal predator. That's a ridiculously small model. I don't think I'm going to have the same problem here.

[Psychosplodge]

I thought the predator was on the same chassis?

[ElectricPaladin]

I thought the predator was on the same chassis?

It is, but I think the metal one I saw was even older, and even smaller, than the ancient but plastic one I just bought on eBay.

[Psychosplodge]

There was the two, the square turreted one looked a lot bigger than the old tiny plastic domed thing.

I didn't know they did a rogue trader era one.

[ElectricPaladin]

There was the two, the square turreted one looked a lot bigger than the old tiny plastic domed thing.

I didn't know they did a rogue trader era one.

Me neither - that's what the dude said it was. Unless I miss-recall.

[Psychosplodge]

If they did, I'd like to see one...

[Drunkencorgimaster]

I use the old ones in my chaos army and I find that they do need a little buffing. That might just be my obsessive-complusive perfectionist tendency though. I cut really thick plasticard into rectangles that are slightly smaller than the tread sections and glue these to the bottoms of the treads. They make the rhino sit slightly higher but you do not notice them at all. I also pop the side sections off from the hull. These I then reattach but I put a 1/8" plasticard section between the hull and the side sections. This makes the rhino 1/4" wider in total. You would not think that these little steps would make much difference but they really do. For the 1/8" side sections I use model railroad "I beam" plasticard sections. Model railroaders use them to build building skeletons. If I am not being clear on what these are, ask at a model railroad shop and they should be able to figure out what you are looking for. I simply glue sections of "I beam" all around the edge of the hull that the side sections fit on. I then glue the side sections to the "I beam" part of the hull. It is fairly simple and really makes the old rhinos buff out a bit. They will still be smaller than the new rhinos but not nearly so drastically. Mine are covered in spikes so that also helps the illusion. I love the look of those old school rhinos in my chaos army. It makes them look like an entirely different force from the loyalists. If I can find my stupid always-missing camera I'll try to take some pictures and post them in the next day or two.

[ElectricPaladin]

I use the old ones in my chaos army and I find that they do need a little buffing. That might just be my obsessive-complusive perfectionist tendency though. I cut really thick plasticard into rectangles that are slightly smaller than the tread sections and glue these to the bottoms of the treads. They make the rhino sit slightly higher but you do not notice them at all. I also pop the side sections off from the hull. These I then reattach but I put a 1/8" plasticard section between the hull and the side sections. This makes the rhino 1/4" wider in total. You would not think that these little steps would make much difference but they really do. For the 1/8" side sections I use model railroad "I beam" plasticard sections. Model railroaders use them to build building skeletons. If I am not being clear on what these are, ask at a model railroad shop and they should be able to figure out what you are looking for. I simply glue sections of "I beam" all around the edge of the hull that the side sections fit on. I then glue the side sections to the "I beam" part of the hull. It is fairly simple and really makes the old rhinos buff out a bit. They will still be smaller than the new rhinos but not nearly so drastically. Mine are covered in spikes so that also helps the illusion. I love the look of those old school rhinos in my chaos army. It makes them look like an entirely different force from the loyalists. If I can find my stupid always-missing camera I'll try to take some pictures and post them in the next day or two.

I'm going to try some of this. I'm glad to hear that its as simple as buffing out the sides and raising the rhino up.

Re: the Treads.

The modern of the two used rhinos I bought just arrived, and I've discovered that several of the tread sections are missing. I just ordered a treads sprue on eBay, but I won't need the whole thing to fill the gaps. I'll use the long sections, which I won't be using to fix my new old new rhino, to boost up my new old old rhino.

[ElectricPaladin]

Ok, new update: the rhinos have arrived and are both soaking in LA's Totally Awesome (as recommended here (http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/365067.page) on DakkaDakka). One is red, so I've decided that it was probably jacked from the Blood Angels. The other (the smaller one) is green, so it was probably jacked from the Dark Angels.

Have I mentioned that one of the things I love most about the Blood Ravens is how they just cavalierly jack sh*t from other chapters? I'll have to invent some story about how an ancient refurbished Dark Angels rhino and another Blood Angels rhino (the Lucifer-pattern engines long ago burned out and replaced) ended up in the Blood Ravens armory...