Which primarch is the best fighter

[Montpup]

This is always up for debate but now we are beginning to see them in the game it will be interesting to see how they handle it

The few facts we have of combat between them follows

Horus kills the angel
Corax beats up logar
Corax avoids the night hunter, doesn't think he can beat him
The lion almost kills cruze (but cruze gets better, second fight cruze legs it)
Fulgrim kills manus
Russ cripples Magnus and kills the other 2
The lion beats Russ who then keeps fighting and beats up the lion (problerly showing why he does the job that he does)
Cruze beats up dorn
Lord of the smurfs kills one of the twins (maybe but as alpha legion win everything most likely not)
All of them think logar is a loser
Cruze eats humans, but doesn't really like the taste
Logar beats the Fulgrim daemon to pulp

[Kyban]

Horus kills the angel

Horus is daemon powered by that point though.

[eldargal]

Whichever one needs to be to further the plot.

[Deadlift]

I think it's generally accepted that The Blood Angels primarch is the most martial of the primarchs, His death at Horus's hands is because he is at that point gifted by chaos.

References are made to this is some of the HH books.

[Learn2Eel]

The way I've seen it;

Most Powerful - Sanguinius
Best Psyker - Magnus

They all have their own traits though. You could Alpharius/Omegon can simply avoid the others and never be truly killed.

[eldargal]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden said something along the lines that they are all at a similar level, they just have good and bad days. And then get posessed by daemons which makes things a bit nore confusing.

Edit: I can spell Dembski-Bowden from memory but misspell Aaron, nice.

[Mr Mystery]

The Lion very nearly slots Nighthaunter, and has also dropped Russ.

No contest.

On rules? I don't fancy getting into a punch with Horus or Mortarion....

[Deadlift]

Yeah but that was a cheap shot on Russ.

[Mr Mystery]

No such thing as a cheap shot. Loser is the loser, and that means Russ.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

No such thing as a cheap shot. Loser is the loser, and that means Russ.

I have to agree with Mystery on this one, cheap shot or no, if you win you win. When you are talking war and heresy, it doesn't matter who is right when it comes down to winners and losers.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden said something along the lines that they are all at a similar level, they just have good and bad days. And then get posessed by daemons which makes things a bit nore confusing.

Edit: I can spell Dembski-Bowden from memory but misspell Aaron, nice.

Pure, unfiltered, fail.

He'd never forgive me if I misspelt his name.


Also, on topic, I'm going with Mystery. The Lion is pretty awesome.

[Deadlift]

Lol, well your both wrong :) and I am not afraid to admit it.

I still say its Sanguinus anyway.

[MaltonNecromancer]

Whichever one needs to be to further the plot.

+1

[Grailkeeper]

Depends what you mean by fighter- 1 on 1 the fluff I always thought was Angron. If you mean it tactically theres a few that qualify. Sanguinius was just after fighting a bloodthirster and was pretty tired/wounded when he was up against horus. That all said the person with the most primarch kills is Fulgrim, with two- Ferrus Manus and Gulliman. So the nearest thing we have to empirical evidence would suggest Fulgrim.

[Denzark]

Erm - hello? Angron?

[Deadlift]

I don't know, Angron of course is a berserker but would he be flailing madly which for mere mortals would be a problem, for another Primarch though, it would leave an opening.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Fulgrim could beat Angron, as could any competent duellist.

[Denzark]

I think you need to read David Gemell where Druss himself explains berserker with axe against swordsman. And fluff wise (pre-6th ed nerf) Kharn was wielding Gorechild faster than most swordsmen - are you saying a Primarch couldn't? Actually Khorne warriors also appreciate skill at arms - I reckon Angron can duel with the best of them if the situation merits it.

I think there are 2 tier Primarchs - some Primarchs kill others in fluff - so these must be the hardest.

[Wildeybeast]

First off, you need to separate out pre and post-Chaosification, that changes the game altogether. Pre Choasification, the best explanation is given by Corax, who is a cold calculating warrior, not prone to boasts about his own ability. In Raven's Flight, he says the only people that can beat him are Angron, Horus and maybe Sanguinius. That narrows it down to Angron and Horus with maybe Sanguinius and Corax as outside bets. As for Corax running away from Curze, it's not because he can't beat him, he knows he can. He's momentarily afraid of Curze because Curze is the mirror of himself, what he would have become without the upbringing he had. He could have easily killed Curze and then finished of the simpering wretch that was Lorgar.

[Denzark]

I do have to wonder if the Emp made Space Wolves to kill legions, if Russ similarly doesn't have the ability to do his brothers over easy.

[DWest]

Let's consider how and why the fight started, for example:
-Lorgar is rather weak, but if the fight appealed to his zealous nature I imagine he would start punching "above his weight" so to speak.
-Angron, Russ, the Lion are all beasts once they get hands-on, but thinkers like Alpharius, Guilliman, and Horus would have to be in quite a pinch to let one of those bulls get in close without softening 'em up first.
-Do they get to keep their customary wargear? and what about terrain? If there's room to fly, Sanguinus could fix any two or three of the melee Primarchs just by hovering and plugging away with his Infernus pistol until they finally keel over.

Personally, I'm going to go with the ADB assessment; whichever one has the most desire to win, will win. I see Ferrus Manus and Sanguinus in their respective deaths as being so overwhelmed by the enormity of what happened that they accepted their deathstrokes, as a way of escaping.

[incenerate101]

I think it's generally accepted that The Blood Angels primarch is the most martial of the primarchs, His death at Horus's hands is because he is at that point gifted by chaos.

References are made to this is some of the HH books.

It is also stated in the HH novels that Russ and the Space Wolves are "unleashed". I have to think that this means that Russ is a better fighter then his brothers. Yes he is not the most skill full in tactics or defensive strategy but in a one on one fight I have to say Russ will win over them all because he beat Magnus hand to hand even with Magnus being Demonically powered.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I AM THE BEST PRIMARCH THERE EVER WAS AND EVER WILL BE.

Argument settled. :D

[Deadlift]

It is also stated in the HH novels that Russ and the Space Wolves are "unleashed". I have to think that this means that Russ is a better fighter then his brothers. Yes he is not the most skill full in tactics or defensive strategy but in a one on one fight I have to say Russ will win over them all because he beat Magnus hand to hand even with Magnus being Demonically powered.

You may have a point, after all the wolves were supposed to be the Emperors "ace" if the **** got real with the other legions.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You may have a point, after all the wolves were supposed to be the Emperors "ace" if the **** got real with the other legions.

But the Wolves must be bad at their job if the Heresy happened? :p

[MyHandisIron]

Meh things like the heresy was just job security for space wolves;)

[xxxxDMANxxxx]

Russ was the one who was the executioner of Primarchs...... DONE

[Montpup]

But the Wolves must be bad at their job if the Heresy happened? :p
No the emperor let the heresy happen, the wolves are meant to fix the mess, I don't think killing greater daemons count towards a primarch's skill really as even logar beats the crap out of a bloodthrister (the bloodthrister I believe)

To a certain degree the one who needs to win to drive the story forward will win, but it's still fun to debate

I believe it states in know no fear that the head smurf is considered to be in the top 5 when it comes to an out and out fight,

I would suggest though that Russ and Angron would be at the top of the food chain before people start becoming empowered by the warp, Russ because it is his job and Angron because he loves it a little to much, though I would back the wolf king ever time

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm still better...

[Denzark]

You don't want a dog to bite everyone in sight - you only want him to attack on demand.

[Durendin]

Some kind soul can remind us which Heresy novel it was mentioned (probably A Thousand Sons) though not in any detail that the Space Wolves and Russ dispatched the two missing Legions and their Primarchs. If that's true then Russ has two already under his belt which makes the Wolf "King!"

[Kyban]

Some kind soul can remind us which Heresy novel it was mentioned (probably A Thousand Sons) though not in any detail that the Space Wolves and Russ dispatched the two missing Legions and their Primarchs. If that's true then Russ has two already under his belt which makes the Wolf "King!"

It was referenced that the wolves had been unleashed on a legion in the past but that was all as far as I'm aware.

[Learn2Eel]

It is also stated in the HH novels that Russ and the Space Wolves are "unleashed". I have to think that this means that Russ is a better fighter then his brothers. Yes he is not the most skill full in tactics or defensive strategy but in a one on one fight I have to say Russ will win over them all because he beat Magnus hand to hand even with Magnus being Demonically powered.

When did Leman Russ defeat a demonically powered Magnus? Magnus didn't become a daemon primarch until after Prospero burned.
And plus, saying a Primarch is powerful because he beat Magnus in hand to hand combat is silly. Magnus is the second most powerful psyker in the galaxy, not someone adept in physical combat like Russ or Angron.

Russ actually isn't a better fighter than his brothers I would say. He is ferocious, but he has more cunning and restraint than someone like Angron. Whilst Angron would be the better fighter, Russ can keep some modicum of control in combat. I would also place Sanguinius above him in terms of martial prowess, but Russ has other qualities - much like any Primarch. The Space Wolves being the apparent 'executioners' probably refers to the single-minded ferocity of the legion, they are essentially attack dogs. Whether or not another Legion would have done a better job in this role is up for debate.

[Learn2Eel]

Russ was the one who was the executioner of Primarchs...... DONE

How many Primarchs do we know he killed? As it stands, Fulgrim has killed more Primarchs than anyone else, and he gets his butt kicked by Angron all the time.

[Learn2Eel]

No the emperor let the heresy happen, the wolves are meant to fix the mess, I don't think killing greater daemons count towards a primarch's skill really as even logar beats the crap out of a bloodthrister (the bloodthrister I believe)

To a certain degree the one who needs to win to drive the story forward will win, but it's still fun to debate

I believe it states in know no fear that the head smurf is considered to be in the top 5 when it comes to an out and out fight,

I would suggest though that Russ and Angron would be at the top of the food chain before people start becoming empowered by the warp, Russ because it is his job and Angron because he loves it a little to much, though I would back the wolf king ever time

The Bloodthirster Sanguinius fought was apparently three times as powerful as an average Bloodthirster, depending on what you read. And after that, he still put up a fight against Horus, and some might even say he was killed only because he could not believe his closest friends' corruption.
Magnus also demolished a titan with his psychic powers - how many Primarchs can do that single-handedly?

Ultimately, as previous posters have said, all the Primarchs have their individual talents. Combat isn't always the greatest measure. Still though, I would say Sanguinius - not from any real knowledge but moreso because he appears to be the common choice.

[Grovel]

As a minor aside - didn't they go to great lengths in the HH novels to say that Russ was NOT a savage, he just played the part of the savage because the reputation was advantageous?

The novels seem to depict him as cunning rather than ferocious...

Back on topic though, I would put my money on Sanguinius or Angron - not because of anecdotal evidence, but because of the old adage "practice makes perfect". The primarchs were all created more or less equal overall, but those two spend a lot more time actually fighting than their brothers, and among equals experience would likely be the deciding factor.

[Wildcard]

There are more factors in fighting than just the ability to dish out damage. One being your pure physical mass, which correlates among other thing to the fact how well you can take beating.

Each of the primarchs were designed to be super fast and super strong, with the learning capacity to master melee weapons (of their choise). What they weren't designed to do, was to take the punishment one like them could dish out when being serious..

Except for Leman Russ.. He was to be a brawler, one that most definately can strike blows, yet have enough stamina, strenght, perseverance and simply put: the body crafted to take the incoming beating from equals like no other primarch.

Also, remember that Fulgrim already had his Laer-daemon blade when he killed Manus.

And about the Sanquinius versus Horus: Horus indeed was high on deamon dope at that point, but more relevant is the condition of the Angel at in which he had to fight: If i remember right, hes body was almost devastated, as in not many unbroken bones, and most likely his other arm was snapped from the fight at the emperors palace gates (The fight where he single handedly fought that bloodthirster-lord and kept the traitors at bay so that the loyalists could retreat and regroup behind the walls)

All this said, i would go for either russ or sanquinius, although we haven't even touched khan or vulkan yet :D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Still not as cool as me. Close though.

[sangrail777]

I gotta go with Sanguinius, hands down.
With that said doesn't it say in some of the HH books that the Primarchs would duel each other or have fighting contest amongst each other. Be cool it they wrote some short stories on that. I'd like to see how the Primarchs would interact with eachother both verbally and physically.

[daboarder]

Sanguinius, dudes an angel nuff said.

but if you require more.


And so it was they fought- the Angel and the Beast. Titanic must have been that struggle, between those two gods amongst men. Long must they have rained blows upon one another, until it seemed the life of the universe itself hung in the balance. And yet, for al his glorious might at arms, and his noble and pure mind, Sanguinius was bested. The despicable trickeries of chaos were his undoing. But at that last moment, even as the of death waited to strike him, Sanguinius would not turn from the path of light. Thus it was that the noble Sanguinius, Lord of the Blood Angels passed from this world. He who was everything a man should be was taken from us by the darkness. A thousand times a thousand years f lamenting will never atone for our loss

[Popsical]

This gets covered by Corax as he awaits Angron on Istvaan 5.
He states that Angron is war incarnate, and that few could best him MAYBE (emphasis mine) Sanguinius or Horus.
Maybe is as near as they get. Corax knows that Angron will kill him.
Angron is a gladiator the kind of 1 on1 were talking here is his element.
The other primarchs are just better at other facets of war.
Winner Angron.

[Denzark]

Sang fights a Bloodthirster in Fear to Tread. Gets most bones broken. Then heads off to Earth and fights one from the palace walls. Then fights Horus and ends splatted like most Vampire Marines do against Chaos...;)

[Deadlift]

Sang fights a Bloodthirster in Fear to Tread. Gets most bones broken. Then heads off to Earth and fights one from the palace walls. Then fights Horus and ends splatted like most Vampire Marines do against Chaos...;)

Lol thanks for telling me the ending of the book I am currently reading :D

[Wolfshade]

The thing with Angryor sorry Angron is that a beserker fury seems to me that what he lacks in talent he makes up for in raw physicality and agression, whereas someone like Fulgrim I would suggest if he could surivie the initial burst would do well and use his agression against him with perfect technique.

But its obviously Sanguinus is the best as he can FLY!

I would have suggested Magnus, since he can utilise the Great Ocean, warp, to enhance his abilities and stike the opponent down before they got close enough to cross blades, but it seems most Primarchs have some degree of psychic defense which could render the powers to be ineffective.

I imagine that Leman Russ' fighting style is a viking quivalent of drunken boxing...

[Wolfshade]

Lol thanks for telling me the ending of the book I am currently reading :D

Titanic actually sinks as well :p

[Wildcard]

Well, in one scenario Sanquinius is sure to be a winner over practically any of his brothers. Just bearhug a brother, then fortify yourself to take a hundred headbuts as you fly as high as your wings take you and then let loose of your brother and see how well can they fly :D

[Wolfshade]

Well, in one scenario Sanquinius is sure to be a winner over practically any of his brothers. Just bearhug a brother, then fortify yourself to take a hundred headbuts as you fly as high as your wings take you and then let loose of your brother and see how well can they fly :D

I'm not sure Sanguinius is a bear hug kinda guy, now Russ on teh other hand ;)

[Chris*ta]

Titanic actually sinks as well :p

The chick in The Crying Game is really a man ... I mean, man, is that great movie.

[Wolfshade]

The chick in The Crying Game is really a man ... I mean, man, is that great movie.

Simpsons?

[Chris*ta]

Simpsons?

Yep. Mayor Quimby in one of his speeches. It's not otherwise relevant to the episode or even the speech (iirc).

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I have that shirt :D

[Wolfshade]

Awesome ness :D

[Denzark]

Lol thanks for telling me the ending of the book I am currently reading :D

Sorry fella. At least the last 2 sentences were already out there....

[Dizzle]

The Lion very nearly slots Nighthaunter, and has also dropped Russ.

No contest.

On rules? I don't fancy getting into a punch with Horus or Mortarion....
Are you serious about Kurze! Lol the Lion fought Curze only when the odds where in his favor and even then the Lion had a tough time. As a matter of fact the first fight Kurze was whoopin some whole sale *** until guys from the lions side decided to have a piggy back ride on him and shoved a sword down Kurzes back. AND EVEN STILL!! The lion ran away like a dog with its tail between its legs. The Lion was no slouch when it came to fighting but Kurze would have smashed him one on one lol. Oh and russ had completely stopped fighting and so did the cowardly lion with russ just laughing. So no the lion didnt win he got in his little hissy fit like he always does when he either gets showed up or embarrassed and took the cowards way out. In conclusion Lion el'johnson = doo doo butter as a fighter with only Lorgar being worse as a fighter and Primarch as a whole with only Angron being by far the worst lol. We followers of the lords of night dont need the lies of the imperium that you feed to the feeble minded and we dont the cowards way of using demons and worshiping "gods" to do our fighting. We fight with our own mettle no more no less. Brother and Sisters of the Night Echo my cry!! You weak minded Imperialists and Cowardly Chaos worshipers listen and listen well!! WE HAVE COME FOR YOU!! AVE DOMINUS NOX!!!!