Games Day 2012 UK

[Flammenwerfer13]

So we saw tons of stuff from FW, anything on GW?!?! ANYTHING?!?! stuff like hints to future releases, new units, ideas, nuclear war?!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

There was all the Chaos stuff.
I had a really good, meticulous look through all of the GW stuff, nothing that I could spot or find was new! It was all on BL and FW this year!

Might I say by the way, the BEST Games Day that there has been for a LONG time.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Nice to see Necrons get some FW love. I really really hope they add in a pure-canpotek list...pretty please Forge World???

Heresy stuff is incredible, but I have no idea the sort of sentient-beings that can afford that sort of thing, as that kind of money is utterly beyond my comprenension and I suspect those that will collect Heresy armies are getting the cash through making pacts with the chaos Gods.

[Gir]

Heresy stuff is incredible, but I have no idea the sort of sentient-beings that can afford that sort of thing, as that kind of money is utterly beyond my comprenension and I suspect those that will collect Heresy armies are getting the cash through making pacts with the chaos Gods.

Or being Australian, where Forgeworld is cheaper then GW.

[wittdooley]

Nice to see Necrons get some FW love. I really really hope they add in a pure-canpotek list...pretty please Forge World???

Heresy stuff is incredible, but I have no idea the sort of sentient-beings that can afford that sort of thing, as that kind of money is utterly beyond my comprenension and I suspect those that will collect Heresy armies are getting the cash through making pacts with the chaos Gods.


You don't have to buy everything at once.....

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

You don't have to buy everything at once.....

Yeah, I could probably afford 1 squad per year. :p

[wittdooley]

Yeah, I could probably afford 1 squad per year. :p

Squads are only like 50 bucks for a 5-man......

[ACE01]

Some more pics below, album here: http://s1062.photobucket.com/albums/t495/ace6185/GDUK12/

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t495/ace6185/GDUK12/IMG_20120923_140909_zps473d5a38.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t495/ace6185/GDUK12/IMG_20120923_142055_zpscdc1059b.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t495/ace6185/GDUK12/IMG_20120923_142221_zps48a11fa0.jpg

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/t495/ace6185/GDUK12/IMG_20120923_141918_zps48d96fcc.jpg

Think he web has everything covered by now...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Squads are only like 50 bucks for a 5-man......

Only? that's a lot of money for me these days. Maybe in the future but until then - I'll be hapilly sitting on the side-lines and admiring and enjoying other peeps awesome armies myself :D

[Wildcard]

My army of Grey Knights ain't be fighting in the heresy series :(

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Terminator w/ Multi-melta? Niceee.

Shame they put the loyalist-looking scrollwork on the Worldeater dread, it'd be an easy starting point for Chaos-ification otherwise.

Wonder if any of these will filter up to 40k, they're pretty cool. Maybe handle it like a an Allied Detachment? "Lords of the Armoury", with access to the cool heresy toys, but less potent HQ/troops and restricted to the teensy Allied FOC.

I don't think I can really justify the prices for most of these, though, although my WiP Jetbikes are getting upsized and re-equipped :P

[eldargal]

So much pretty...

Oh, from Warseer:

Jes's words to sisters playing friend told him 'to just wait a little longer' regarding Sisters, so seems he's possibly working on them, even if only preliminary stages.

Squee.


Spoke to Phil at fw,
-Said that the black libary books are a large influence to what they will be doing for the pre hearsy stuff.
-They would never do an emperor model, stating some things should be left alone/untouched.
-Will do primarch models plus chaos counterparts.
-Possibility of prehearsy xenos races (if in horus hearsy) but not priority as hearsy stuff is a big project.
-They are trying to get an Imperial armour masterclass book out every 12-18months, talk about doing terrain and warhammer forge specific books.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh! By the way, I spoke to Phil Kelly. He wished me a happy birthday and I shook his hand. :D
I just spoke to him about the new Chaos stuff and what inspired him, he was a busy man so I didn't take up much of his time.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Jes's words to sisters playing friend told him 'to just wait a little longer' regarding Sisters, so seems he's possibly working on them, even if only preliminary stages.


Awesome! I always expected them to take a long time, as I am guessing it's a project more on the scale of Dark Eldar. It's just nice to hear that from Jes though isn't it?


Spoke to Phil at fw,
-Said that the black libary books are a large influence to what they will be doing for the pre hearsy stuff.

Good, I like this direction.


-They would never do an emperor model, stating some things should be left alone/untouched.

That's a bit of a shame, and I expect some will dislike that decision - but I can see where they are coming from.


-Possibility of prehearsy xenos races (if in horus hearsy) but not priority as hearsy stuff is a big project.

Even the possibility is GREAT news, as I expected them to NOT touch xenos whatsoever. I'd be personally happy with even an ally-sized HQ + troops type thing. Would love to see the Cabal and Megarachnids.

[Deadlift]

The Emperor and Thunder Warriors?
The Thunder Warriors are not an army and are not key to the time period. They can't keep going back in history, or they'll get to the point where they hit World War II! The Emperor is not unfeasible, as eventually he needs to have a bit of a fight with this Horus chap.

Taken from this blog , which I will add was a great read :)

http://the-responsible-one.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/games-day-2012-news-rumours-and_23.html


It would seem internally FW are undecided on an emperor then ? As various quotes from different FW team members are different in regards to him having a model.

[musical-fool]

I just want to say thanks to everyone for the photos, seminar notes, internet scouring so that the unfortunates like myself, who couldn't make to GD, didn't miss out on all the news and photos! Good job all round!

One thing I haven't seen anywhere (yet) is the Golden Deamon results or armies on parade. Did anyone see anything of interest? I think about 5-7 pages back there was a BA drop pod from Murder but that is it.

Once again, good job everyone!

[thomas40kfanboy]

At the second FW seminar, they said they WOULD be doing the emperor and they mostly certainly WON'T be doing any pre-heresy xeno forces. due to the size of the heresy project, they decided to make a cut-off point which is isstvan 3. anything that happens before that won't be done.
and Tony Collett (who was running the seminar alongside Alan Bligh) said that when they do the emperor they want to focus on making sure the model is the best they can, before they do the rules, and that the model will be a dwarf smoking a pipe.

also might be some time before we see alpha legion, when asked they said they were having some trouble figuring out how to do Alpharius (model and rules wise).
looks like Isstvan5 might be 2 books, depends on how much mr Bligh writes for it. if it isn't then the other 3 legions will be covered in the other books. also sounds like Prospero will be next after Isstvan5 and WILL include Custodes and Sisters of Silence.
Garro and his friends will be scattered though out the books and will be included in the "agents of the Emperor" section, so will be able to be allied with any loyalist army as a battle brother. when asked about which book garro will feature in, they replied saying that he was all other the place during the heresy, but they name checked Calth.

[Psychosplodge]

protip: being young+ wanting to upgrade a gaming PC + warhammer+ social outings = no monies. ever.
!

Being young has little to do with that list...




One thing I haven't seen anywhere (yet) is the Golden Deamon results or armies on parade. Did anyone see anything of interest? I think about 5-7 pages back there was a BA drop pod from Murder but that is it.


there's the Eldar flyer from one but, the area round them was that crowded, and there were that many entries it would have took too long.

[david5th]

Also in second FW seminar, leman Russ will have a pipe.

[Wolfshade]

tldr;
GW & FW take all my money...

[Psychosplodge]

I got paid on friday, then I took a gamesday to the wallet

[Nosmo75]

Loving the (Blood Axe?) Ork Warboss with the Stikkbomb and Big Choppa. =D

[theresponsibleone]

It would seem internally FW are undecided on an emperor then ? As various quotes from different FW team members are different in regards to him having a model.

I suspect that this actually comes down to the fact that they've not formally planned ahead yet - if Tony and Phil haven't had a sit down talk about the Emperor yet, then they may have completely different ideas as to whether or not they will do him at all.

Chatting with an author, whose name I have completely forgotten, they are having a bunch of problems with the vast amount of contradictory information about the Heresy that has already been publised, and its a bit of a diplomatic nightmare to get it all agreed. In short "you know that someone is going to be upset by some of the decisions, you just need to make sure its not someone important, and its as few people as possible".

In addition, whatever Forge World decides to do will need to go through Alan Merritt - so even once they come to agreement on a particular idea, they still need to make sure Alan is cool with it. (Alan is "Head of IP" which basically means that he's the final point of sign off on whether or not something becomes canon.)

Alternatively: Tony is up front about the fact that he sometimes lies about what Forge World are going to do. One and / or both of them may be deliberately lying about the Emperor model to see what happens on the internet. I wouldn't put it past them, and would take it with a level of good natured amusement if they are... Those pretty models earn them a hell of a lot of leeway in terms of what we let them get away with.

Thank you to everyone who has said nice things about my blog / report. It is really appreciated!

[JamesP]

There's no reason they couldn't do the fall of the Eldar if authors wanted to do it, but it would prob be after the heresy, and they mentioned "The scourging"
[/I]

Was this 'scourging' something they mentioned in relation to the fall of the Eldar or FW's new name for the post-Heresy Scouring, or something else?

[Psychosplodge]

sorry it could have been scouring, it was when they were talking about immediately following the siege of terror so probably immediatley post heresy, but I think they were saying that would probably be done before(if) they did the fall of the Eldar. Sorry didn't write that post clear enough.

[eldargal]

I can't imagine how they would do the Fall to be honest, it wasn't exactly a military campaign.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It was more a massacre than a conflict.

[DrLove42]

Its more that something turned up and loads of dudes just fell over dead.

It'd be like the Hiroshima bomb drop, except that there was no military operation, it just "turned up" at ground zero and lots of folks dying

The black libriary could cover it, but i dont see FW doing it

[Psychosplodge]

I can't imagine how they would do the Fall to be honest, it wasn't exactly a military campaign.

Well I don't think the pitch would get excepted, apparently ADB once pitched a Romeo and Juliet style love story between two feuding navigator houses...didn't get very far...

[eldargal]

Well sort of, I picture it almost like a natural disaster. It was the moment Slaanesh gained awareness so it is hard to use terminology that implies aggression or malovolence.

[Psychosplodge]

IMO It'd probably play out more like an inquistion novel than a battles novel, with all the intrigue and preapration between factions as some prepare for what they see coming and others don't all the factions and politics and such, so in the era of bolter porn maybe wouldnt work..

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

Hey guys

I just uploaded about 500 pics and a video (http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/09/games-day-2012-uk-link-collection.html) from the award ceremony from the Golden Demon at the Games Day UK 2012.
Also, I keep an updated link collection ready for your entertainment :D

As a heads up, there is more content coming today and later this week:

- unpacking Angron (vid)
- unpacking some of the new items. (vid)
- Forgeworld Adventure video (me in a 3 hour line )
- Review Horus Heresy Book
- Review Unreleased Artwork book "Might of the Emperor"
- and probably more

Also, I will give away a signed copy of ANGRON - yes that's right, the 50 GBP primarch from Forge World! Rules will be up later today.

So, if you like, please drop by!

[Psychosplodge]

The forgeworld adventure sounds exciting, i opted to miss out on that so might have to visit the experiance through the medium of youtube?

[JamesP]

sorry it could have been scouring, it was when they were talking about immediately following the siege of terror so probably immediatley post heresy, but I think they were saying that would probably be done before(if) they did the fall of the Eldar. Sorry didn't write that post clear enough.

No need to apologise, you and the others have done a fantastic job with reporting on Games Day.

I imagine FW would like to do the Scouring so they can introduce models representing the post-Heresy rebuilding of the Astartes and their transition to Chapters. It would also allow them to spend more time with those Legions which weren't at Terra and therefore will have had less coverage in previous books. As well as selling more resin, there are also a lot of good stories to be told - original Epic covered the Scouring as well as the Heresy itself.

And yes, at some point FW's coverage of the Scouring will probably involve grabbing a Land Raider chasis and sticking a random collection of guns on it :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No need to apologise, you and the others have done a fantastic job with reporting on Games Day.

I haven't, welp. :p

Admittedly, I can answer ANY questions that people may have about FW stuff.

[JamesP]

Well sort of, I picture it almost like a natural disaster. It was the moment Slaanesh gained awareness so it is hard to use terminology that implies aggression or malovolence.

Farseer has some flashbacks to the Fall and the times leading up to it, which I think show that daemon which was a forerunner/ herald of Slaanesh and it play a role in exacerbating the activities which lead to the Fall. But I think that's as far as you could ever go with implying aggression or perhaps even a purpose. I'm fairly sure that the book didn't change the background and make the Fall the daemon's fault; it was still the Eldar's natural proclivities and psyche that lead to the birth of She Who Thirsts.

To paraphrase my mum, it was all fun and games until someone lost an eye - or, in 40k terms, all fun and games until an entire species hit an event horizon of excess and woke a daemonic god that devoured most of their souls.

As you say, a natural disaster. One triggered by activiteis which - to a large proportion of the pre-Fall Eldar at least - were commonplace, normal and safe, but which then suddenly triggered an extinction level event. It's like 90s acid house parties accidentally triggering the UK's near-total collapse into the sea once the number of ravers got over a certain level.

What might be interesting to explore was how much the pre-Fall Eldar were aware of what was happening and, towards the end, how in control of their actions they were. Were the pre-fall Eldar self-aware and free-willed right up to the point where Slaanesh awoke? Or did they gradually become addicted to their excesses or were otherwise compelled to pursue them ( a sort of pre-daemonic ensnarement)?

We know that the Exodites and what would become the Craftworlds knew that something terrible was coming but did they flee solely because of that or was it because they saw their debauched compatriots' identities gradually slipping away from them, for whatever reason? (Also, if the Exodites left because they were disgusted with Eldar society and the way it was going, does that make them the 40k equivalent of Daily Mail readers?)

As others have said, if this was ever written about, it would be a very non-standard 40K novel and therefore probably won't ever happen. BL also might be wary of writing something that could easily descend into a 40K version of porn or Trainspotting.

[JamesP]

I haven't, welp. :p

Admittedly, I can answer ANY questions that people may have about FW stuff.

Ok, is it alright to sell someone else's kidney to buy FW stuff or should we just sell our own?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Sure! If you can get the kidney out of them then it's yours!

(but don't tell them that I said that!)

[eldargal]

I think it would be far better fodder for a novel than a campaign book. A campaign revolving around Asurman and the beginnings of the Path system could be interesting, though. A bit more cross-compatibility with 40k too. Not sure how you would fit the IoM in to keep the whole human perspective thing FW has going. Perhaps some early Ordo Xenos action.

[jamie nasmyth]

Ok, is it alright to sell someone else's kidney to buy FW stuff or should we just sell our own?

What about children's organs, your own children's organs of course to sell those belonging to other parents would be unethical.....;)


Oh and I take it there was no Dark Angel news

[Psychosplodge]

BL also might be wary of writing something that could easily descend into a 40K version of porn or Trainspotting.

Sort of fifty shades of Slaanesh...
It's funny till someone gets hurt, then it's hilarious...


Ok, is it alright to sell someone else's kidney to buy FW stuff or should we just sell our own?

Yes.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nope, nada. I was looking for the secrets, trust me. :p

The Dark Angels are playing their characters well!

[Psychosplodge]

Oh and I take it there was no Dark Angel news

Yes, they're releasing A Dark angels graphic novel, but it's rated 18+ due to the large Yaoi content...

[JamesP]

I think it would be far better fodder for a novel than a campaign book. A campaign revolving around Asurman and the beginnings of the Path system could be interesting, though. A bit more cross-compatibility with 40k too. Not sure how you would fit the IoM in to keep the whole human perspective thing FW has going. Perhaps some early Ordo Xenos action.

Yeah, I was thinking it would be better as a novel than a FW book but forgot to write that...

Another issue with factoring in the IoM would be the timing. IIRC, the Aspects are in place by at least the latter stages of the Great Crusade - doesn't Fulgrim depict them, when the Primarch meets the Eldar for a chat that quickly devolves into a brawl?

So that would rule out the Inquisition and the other post-Heresy organisations. If you wanted something taking place as the Paths were established, it might even rule out any interactions with the IoM after the very earliest days of the Great Crusade. Having said that, there are examples in the HH books of the crusaders meeting xenos and not immediately trying to wipe them out, so I'm sure FW could come up with some excuse to drop some Marines in there somewhere, they normally do.

[steelrudi]

And when is said graphic novel to be released? Was there any other Dark angels news? Any at all?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

He wasn't being serious. o_o

There was no Dark Angels news at Games Day.

[Psychosplodge]

We could have got a couple of pages out of that

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nope.

[Psychosplodge]

:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Bad Psycho. Bad.

[Deadlift]

He wasn't being serious. o_o

There was no Dark Angels news at Games Day.

The same could be said about Necrons last year, everyone was very tight lipped about them. I even tried a little bit of friendly arm twisting. All I got out of one individual was "yeah they are cool space robots"
Then November came and the Overlords woke in spectacular style.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hell yeah! Go Necrons.

[Bitrider]

Sort of fifty shades of Slaanesh...

BHAHHAHAH.. I loved that.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

All righty....


I added Part 2 of my Games Day UK Coverage (http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/09/games-day-2012-uk-part-2-misc-and-fun.html). Tons of new pictures about the event itself. I hope you enjoy the subtitles :D

Rules on how to win a signed copy of Angron will be posted later tonight (CET).

[Psychosplodge]

It's probably better written too...

[Flammenwerfer13]

https://plus.google.com/photos/117417274352816811867/albums/5791730668672492689?banner=pwa

[Lukas The Trickster]

I even tried a little bit of friendly arm twisting.

As long as it wasnt any of the miniature designers or sculptors :eek:, I doubt that they would be able to do much more after an arm twisting from you :)

[Deadlift]

As long as it wasnt any of the miniature designers or sculptors :eek:, I doubt that they would be able to do much more after an arm twisting from you :)

Lol, no I tried bribery with peanut m and m's

[Gotthammer]

They would've been fine! Michael Perry's still going strong after losing an arm to a cannon - I'm sure the others could have survived Deadlift's "questioning".

[Chris*ta]

They would've been fine! Michael Perry's still going strong after losing an arm to a cannon - I'm sure the others could have survived Deadlift's "questioning".

It sucks when you roll a 1 on the misfire chart :p

[Deadlift]

They would've been fine! Michael Perry's still going strong after losing an arm to a cannon - I'm sure the others could have survived Deadlift's "questioning".

I just googled this because I had no idea. He had his right arm partially blown off reloading a cannon at a battle reactment. He had to teach himself to sculpt with his left hand. Remarkable.

[Gotthammer]

I remember the White Dwarf where they put out an announcement about the accident, and showing off him working with his amazing prosthetic sculpting clamp arm. Inspiring stuff.

[Chris*ta]

I suppose the moral of this story is that before you mess with a GW sculptor, you should remember that several are historic recreationists, and one of them survived being blown up by a cannon :eek:

[Chris*ta]

2867Okay, I think I've just found the two photos that best tell the story of GD UK 2012 (from Zaphod Beeblebrox's blogl (http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/09/games-day-2012-uk-part-2-misc-and-fun.html).

Pedro Nunez's bio:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v7AvkHU9aiw/UGBc88UQG8I/AAAAAAAAcas/hYPDkRIGqdg/w193-h289-n-k/I85A2510.JPG

Pedro Nunez's (presumed) response when you're the 100th guy to ask him what he's been working on in the last 12 months:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pSixwON9iU0/UGBc-oD1kyI/AAAAAAAAca8/eNqZlO_BRc8/w434-h289-n-k/I85A2513.JPG

[Kepora]

Less talk, more pictures!

[Psychosplodge]

I remember the White Dwarf where they put out an announcement about the accident, and showing off him working with his amazing prosthetic sculpting clamp arm. Inspiring stuff.

I don't remember an annoucement, I can remember a cool article showing him using it.


I am surprised no-one's posted this (http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mav2dkpUiF1rue4a1o1_500.jpg) concept art yet

[jonsgot]

Hi guys just deposited everything I can remember Jez, Jervis and the rest of the design team saying to me. Couple of nuggets I got

standard plastic space marines were looking a little bit left behind by the space wolves and blood angels set's; which incorporate more armour variants. He told me this was still their best selling line but said "watch this space".

Geanstealers were mentioned, he said he didn't want the design studio messing with the rules to balance them out just to adjust the points values. I got the impression he gets asked about Nids a lot.

Edit: sorry you might want to link :)

http://chaptermasters.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/uk-games-day-2012-words-from-studio.html

[Nosmo75]

"I think it would be far better fodder for a novel than a campaign book. A campaign revolving around Asurman and the beginnings of the Path system could be interesting, though. A bit more cross-compatibility with 40k too. Not sure how you would fit the IoM in to keep the whole human perspective thing FW has going. Perhaps some early Ordo Xenos action."

What does 'IoM' stand for? =S

[DrLove42]

At a guess....Imperium of Man

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Imperium of Man, she uses that abbreviation quite a lot.

[eldargal]

Imperium of Man.

[Wolfshade]

Isle of Man

[Nosmo75]

Special thanks to DrLove42, Tzeentch's Dark Agent and eldargal.

Special no thanks to Wolfshade. =P

[Psychosplodge]

His is more accurate...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm sad that I can't find any pictures of Lizard hat.
:(

[Wolfshade]

Special thanks to DrLove42, Tzeentch's Dark Agent and eldargal.

Special no thanks to Wolfshade. =P

I am upset now; or should I be. I've had no thanks before, but never Special No Thanks. I also now offer
International Organization for Migration

[eldargal]

That would be IOfM. Nub.

:p

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

True story.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Holy sh*t! I found my best mate Chris!

He's the guy walking past the Armies on Parade viewers in the red shirt.

http://s398928513.websitehome.co.uk/Wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Gamesday.jpg

[miteyheroes]

I just googled this because I had no idea. He had his right arm partially blown off reloading a cannon at a battle reactment. He had to teach himself to sculpt with his left hand. Remarkable.

After having his arm blown off he, obviously, went to hospital. Several days later the nurse came into his room and asked how he was feeling - to which he replied "I'm healed!" and waved both his hands. She fled. Ah, the joy of being identical twins...

Of course, him loosing an arm was all a tad ironic because the Perry Twins famously (pre-accident) did a re-enactment battle with one of them wearing a fake arm, that the other hacked off mid-fight. Don't tempt the fates!

[eldargal]

If they really scared the nurse like that they need to be given a medal for being fantastic.

[Psychosplodge]

That's amazingly epic on so many levels...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

"I'm still a sculptor like you, and I took a cannon to the arm and didn't give a f*ck" - Skyrim sculptor

[miteyheroes]

Those are both second-hand stories from re-enactors who know them & were at the events in question. So I don't have any reason to doubt them, but they may be myths. Still, I like to think they're true!

[Wolfshade]

That would be IOfM. Nub.

:p

Not according to them :p

Also, we already know I am one of your Nubz, you said so earlier

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh yeah, I remember that.

[eldargal]

I don't...

[Wolfshade]

It obviously meant more to me than you :'( I had a special tingly feeling all over

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You called me and Wolfie your nubz. :p

[Psychosplodge]

¬_¬ pfft

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

To be fair, EG's memory is lacking. :p
Hahahah!

[eldargal]

Did I? Sounds like something I'd do.

You called me and Wolfie your nubz. :p

[Wolfshade]

Admitting it is step 1....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

inb4

"ON THE ROAD TO DISAPPOINTMENT"

[Kirsten]

Isle of Man
True

[jonsgot]

You should convert a model like that Kirsten.:p

Also, part of the Ultramarines chapter, hopefully someone will have some better photos of this:
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/404168_491726970846788_1058292470_n.jpg

No but I've got an even worse Video



http://chaptermasters.com/?p=229 (http://s398928513.websitehome.co.uk/Wordpress/?p=229)

[DrLove42]

How did people who wne tfeel about Armies on parade? They've got the winner on WD Daily today (and below :P) but to me although brilliant it doesn't look up to the standard of last years winner

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2650002a_image-2xl.jpg

[Psychosplodge]

There were several better than that one.

i just wish i could have got close enough for good shots of them all.

[eldargal]

Preferred a couple of the Dark Eldar ones myself. Not that I'm biased or anything.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Psycho is aware of my reaction to the Dark Eldar one, he showed it to me after all.

[Psychosplodge]

was that dark eldar? oops lol

Right i'll be off, somebody link me where they're displaying them,

laters

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Freakin' magnets man.

[eldargal]

The hovering thingy was nifty, might try and utilise that in my craftworld terrain if I ever finalise a design.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

L2decisions.
Freakin' air head. :p

[eldargal]

I'm not indeceisive, I'm fussy.:p I can't get the organic=technology dichotomy right, it either looks too technological or too organic.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You should seek outside help. And I don't mean just for the board. :p
Hahahaha!

PM me the ideas and such. See if we can get you rollin'!

[Kyban]

I'm not indeceisive, I'm fussy.:p I can't get the organic=technology dichotomy right, it either looks too technological or too organic.

Yeah, it's not easy. I'm trying to decide on a Necron color scheme to make them look like psychoplastic and wriathbone, I want to make an army that looks like a Black Library experiment (not that they could ever be fielded with Eldar).

[jonsgot]

The hovering thingy was nifty, might try and utilise that in my craftworld terrain if I ever finalise a design.

That Dark Eldar thing was cool but the rest of the board wasn't as good painting wise as the others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=koXFl78eNBg

http://i4.ytimg.com/vi/koXFl78eNBg/default.jpg

[jonsgot]

That was a close one - the reseeding hair line behind the boy talking to Matt Hudson in todays pictures is me. My secret identity is safe phew :)

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2650012a_image-7.jpg

[Chris*ta]

Yeah, it's not easy. I'm trying to decide on a Necron color scheme to make them look like psychoplastic and wriathbone, I want to make an army that looks like a Black Library experiment (not that they could ever be fielded with Eldar).

They could in Apocalypse :D

Say, was I reading a rumour about a new version of Apocalypse for 6th edition, or is it something I dreamed?

Hmm, dreaming of reading rumours about toy soldiers ... LIKE A BOSS!!! :cool:

[Deadlift]

The hovering thingy was nifty, might try and utilise that in my craftworld terrain if I ever finalise a design.

Instead of magnets you could also try magicians "invisible thread" easy enough to get on eBay, strong enough to hold a model up and practically invisible. Would be much easier to set up than magnets.

[jonsgot]

Harder to get it to rotate on a landing pad though!

[MyHandisIron]

So I've seen the pictures of the rule sets for Horus and Angron. Has anyone seen any pics of fulgrims rules or mortarions for that matter? Really excited to see the rules for fulgrim lol.

[Chris*ta]

Instead of magnets you could also try magicians "invisible thread" easy enough to get on eBay, strong enough to hold a model up and practically invisible. Would be much easier to set up than magnets.

The magnets though only need the landing pad to be have a magnet in it, whereas the thread requires some construction above the craft to attach the thread to.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I have the Heresy book in front of me.

[MyHandisIron]

could you post the page on fulgrim? It would be greatly appreciated:D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Fulgrim the Illuminator - 380 points
WS 8
BS 6
S 6
T 6
W 6
I 8
A 5
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Unit Character: 1 (Unique)
Wargear:
The Gilded Panoply
2+ Armour, 5+ Invun (this increases to 3+ in combat)
Should Fulgrim pass an Armour or Invun save on a 6, the unit that inflicted the wound must pass an initiative test or be Blinded

The Blade of the Laer
Str - As User
AP 2
Type
Melee, Rending, Specialist Weapon, Two Handed

Fire Brand
Master Crafted Volkite Charger which also has Shred

Krak and Plasma Grenades

Special Rules:
Primarch

Sire of the Emperor's Children
Fulgrim has Crusader, and must always issue and accept challenges if there is someone in combat with WS 5 or higher
Whilst Fulgrim is on the board, all units with Legiones Astartes (Emperor's Children) gain +2 to combat res, and reserve rolls may be re-rolled

Sublime Swordsman
His invun is increased to 3+
He gains more attacks equal to how much his Initiative is better than his opponents

Strategic Planning
A single Warlord Trait from any table may be CHOSEN for Fulgrim

Bulky

[Gir]

Now do mortarion!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

My arms....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Mortarion the Reaper - 425 points
WS 7
BS 5
S 6
T 7
W 7
I 5
A 5
Ld 10
Sv 2+

Unit Type: Infantry (Character)
Unit Character: 1 (Unique)
Wargear:
The Barberan Plate
2+ Armour Save, 4+ Invun

Silence
Str +1
AP 2
Type
Melee, Instant Death, Sunder (may re-roll armour pen rolls), Unwieldy, Two Handed, Sweep Attack (may exchange all attacks to attack every model in base contact)

The Lantern
Range
18"
Str 8
AP 2
Type
Assault 1, Sunder

Frag Grenades

Phospex Bombs (unlimited) - his have a range of 12"

Special Rules
Primarch

Sire of the Death Guard
All Death Guard have Stubborn
All of their Frag Grenades, Frag Missiles, and Havoc Launchers have Poisoned (4+)

Shadow of the Reaper
Leadership against Fear tests caused by Mortarion suffer a -1
If he isn't in combat or a vehicle in the player's shooting phase, Mortarion may redeploy him (not deep strike) by passing a Ld test
Must be within 10" of starting position, may not finish within 3" of an enemy
May not be placed in a vehicle, building, or impassable terrain
If he was part of a unit he leaves it (obviously)
He may declare charges after performing this move, but it counts as disordered

Preternatural Resilience
Mortarion re-rolls failed Toughness tests and "It Will Not Die!" rolls
Automatically passes any dangerous terrain
Any weapon that wounds on a flat dice roll (for example poison) will only hurt Mortarion on a 6

Witch Spite
Deny the Witch on a 4+

Very Bulky

[SotonShades]

I'm proud to say that the floaty DE board was from my local GW. Unfortunately, the painting didn't come close to the concept and there was only about 10 models on the board, which really let it down.

This is one of the reasons I love AOP though; it really tests a modellers ability to impress and create. In many ways, more so than golden daemon

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Shush Soton, Primarchs. :p

[MyHandisIron]

I am all of the happy! Im looking forward to the models. Thank you for posting them

[Deadlift]

Struggling to resist Deathguard now.

[Gir]

Mortarion the Reaper - 425 points


You sir, are a hero, gentleman, and scholar.

[HERO]

Now that we have Mortarion and Fulgrim, can we have the full stats for Horus and Angron?

Thank you so much for doing this!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I will do it later, I have to go to work.

I thought you people had seen Angron and Horus???

[Gir]

Here's Horus:

Horus: 500pts

Ws/8 Bs/5 S/7 T/6 W/6 I/6 A/5 Ld/10 Sv/2+

Wargear:

The Serpent's Scales: Armor confers a 3+ Invl, Stops psychic attacks and psychicly inflicted stat modifiers directed against him on a 3+

World Breaker: S10 Ap2 Master-crafted Mace with some special rules that aren't in frame.

The Warmaster's Talon: S:7 Ap 2 with more special rules out of frame. Has an in-built Bolter as well.

He also has frag Grenades and a Cognis Signum (no idea) and a Teleportation Matrix (no idea)

And the real meat...Special Rules:

A rule called primarch which grants...wait for it...Independent Character, Eternal Warrior, Fear, Adamantium Will, Fleet, Fearless, It Will Not Die, and something called Master of the Legion.

Weapon Mastery: A rule that allows him to choose and distribute his attacks between his two outrageous weapons at the players discretion.

Sire of the Sons of Horus: He gets an extra d3 attacks against anything fighting at Ws 4 or lower cause he's ****ting on them so hard. Also, if he's placed in reserve him and the termies he's with can come in whenever the hell you feel like it as loing as its turn two or beyond. No roll required.

God of Battle: 3 Parts...

-It's a little blurry but it looks like anything that is in reserves in his army gets outflank.

-All Sons of Horus in the army get get +1 Ld

-Bonus to the Seize the Initiative roll. Cant really see the number.

The Point of the Spear: Termies and Veterans count as troops in an army with Horus. Also, Horus gets a S10 Ap2 Large Blast Orbital Bombardment once per game.
Very Bulky

Having trouble finding Angron though. I have definitely seen it.

[HERO]

I will do it later, I have to go to work.

I thought you people had seen Angron and Horus???

Nah, like Gir mentioned, we only have bits and pieces with missing information or none at all.

Some blurry pics and stuff, no hard info.

[Learn2Eel]

My god.
The rules for the Primarchs so far are insane and fitting.
Horus is still crazy in combat but gives massive buffs to your army.
Angron kills stuff like no other but at the sacrifice of relative survivability (compared to other Primarchs).
Fulgrim is a challenge-monster and gets significantly better based on the abilities of his opponents.
Mortarion actually acts like the Grim Reaper. He has a gigantic scythe which kills everything, and he can teleport 10" and charge. :eek:
I love how they even have titles. Mortarion the Reaper? Bad-***.

I can't even imagine what Magnus' rules would be like. Most powerful psyker bar-none in the game (unless they do the Emperor). Mastery Level....something insane?

On Angron and Horus, good pictures of their rules are on Faeit I think. Horus' World Breaker is Unwieldy, for example.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'll type the pair of them after work. Angron is a tad bent. He can challenge as many people as you like. :p

Horus' teleportation matrix means than him and a Terminator unit that he joins can deep strike and not scatter.

Are there any other characters or rules that you guys want?
Maybe it's worth doing a live stream... :p

[falinos]

You wouldn't happen to have the sanguinius stat line and rules would ya?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

No, there are no Loyalist Primarchs in the first book. We won't see Sanguinius for a LONG time.

[Psychosplodge]

But he's gotta be good, cause he should be able to give horus a slap...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Someone's been reading Outcast Dead. :p

[Psychosplodge]

Not for a while, but there's a few where they say Sanguinnius is the only primach that can contend with Horus in every aspect, several may be able to best him combat, but in pure breadth of skill Sanguinius is seen as his main rival...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That's pretty much said in Outcast Dead. :p

[Psychosplodge]

Is it? I've not read that since it come out, it was touched in fear to tread, and I'm sure there's a couple of other odds and ends elsewhere...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That's why he's the one who goes after Horus with The Emperor, but, y'know, teleportation is freakin' lame.

[Popsical]

Hi, could we see the Mournivals stats please?
Little Horus?
Tarik Torgaddon?
Garviel Loken?
Abaddon?
Any other characters

[Gotthammer]

Plz type out hole buk kay thnx

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Indeed. That's how I feel.

There are only Abaddon and Loken in the book.

[Gotthammer]

Don't let the fact I spelt 'type' correctly fool you into thinking I was joking.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm not typing the book. Screw that.

[Nosmo75]

I am upset now; or should I be. I've had no thanks before, but never Special No Thanks. I also now offer
International Organization for Migration

Aww, I'm sorry. <=(

[HERO]

I'm not typing the book. Screw that.

Just the Primarchs please!

That way, we can all stare and argue about which one is better for months to come!

[wittdooley]

Just the Primarchs please!

That way, we can all stare and argue about which one is better for months to come!

A) they're already in this thread.

B) why months? Book should come out soon in general release.

Oh. Wait. I see you already found it and copied it to your blog without crediting the originator. Really nice.

[HERO]

A) they're already in this thread.

B) why months? Book should come out soon in general release.

Oh. Wait. I see you already found it and copied it to your blog without crediting the originator. Really nice.

They're not, not the full information.

And second, maybe you should actually click on the Primarch's name. You should see that it links back to the original poster, and this thread.

GSO

[wittdooley]

They're not, not the full information.

And second, maybe you should actually click on the Primarch's name. You should see that it links back to the original poster, and this thread.

GSO

Why would I click there? Because its blue? Again, you make no reference to the original poster. Not terribly classy, IMO. But then again, it take a lot of effort to type "via Tzeentch's Dark Agent on BoLS". I mean, it took me a whole 7 seconds. I understand not everyone can be bothered to expend that amount of time.

[HERO]

Why would I click there? Because its blue? Again, you make no reference to the original poster. Not terribly classy, IMO. But then again, it take a lot of effort to type "via Tzeentch's Dark Agent on BoLS". I mean, it took me a whole 7 seconds. I understand not everyone can be bothered to expend that amount of time.

Who the **** cares guy.
Don't get your panties in a bunch for such small a thing. Let it go, the world will go on.

[wittdooley]

Who the **** cares guy.
Don't get your panties in a bunch for such small a thing. Let it go, the world will go on.

It's rude. Simple as that, guy. Despite the open flow of information in the Internet age, its still appropriate to cite your source, guy.

But again, not everyone is ethical or even downright decent, and like I said, typing that simple sentence is a lot of work, guy.

[HERO]

It's rude. Simple as that, guy. Despite the open flow of information in the Internet age, its still appropriate to cite your source, guy.

But again, not everyone is ethical or even downright decent, and like I said, typing that simple sentence is a lot of work, guy.

Nope, I cited my source via links. Some say it was more work to link the URL back to the forum and the original poster. But hey, let's complain about it some more shall we?

Like I said before previously, Angron and Horus were semi-spoiled, with a lot of grey area. If Primarchs are the thrill of the new codex, I would like to know more about them. Simple as that :>

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Well...... This is awkward....

Guys, can we chill out and calm down please?

I would've typed stuff up last night, but I had a very close friend over who is leaving for Japan on Saturday, I may not see him for some time. :/

[Wolfshade]

Not for a while, but there's a few where they say Sanguinnius is the only primach that can contend with Horus in every aspect, several may be able to best him combat, but in pure breadth of skill Sanguinius is seen as his main rival...

Even Horus thinks Sanguinius is better, (Warmaster why me, it should be brother Sanguinius), yet another reason why Blood Angels are the best! Go team Edward, I mean Mephiston!


Aww, I'm sorry. <=(

It is ok *-<:o)


I would've typed stuff up last night, but I had a very close friend over who is leaving for Japan on Saturday, I may not see him for some time. :/

I have a friend who moved to Japan

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Interestingly, and slightly off-topic, I decided to learn how to write haikus. How freakin' easy.
5 7 5 syllable structure.

[Wildcard]

Next time you post, its better be a Heresy -themed haiku then :D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Eighteen brothers stand
Two lost in a mystery
None remain to fight

Nailed it.

[Malogharst]

I think that Fulgrim's stats are fake because his sword has Specialist weapon and two-handed rules which both restrict him to using a second melee weapon to gain an additional attack. Why would FW write nonsense like this? And the price - just laughable, for a Primarch.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

HOW CAN IT BE FAKE!?!?! THE BOOK IS RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME?!?!


What is this?!?!

[Wolfshade]

We have had photos that would suggest they were real. It wouldn't be the first time that FW stats/points are not "sensible"

[alshrive]

i find it hard to believe they are faked when they are all over the web in this form! perhaps you the idea that these are faked has been faked?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm gobsmacked, I really am.

[Herzlos]

I think that Fulgrim's stats are fake because his sword has Specialist weapon and two-handed rules which both restrict him to using a second melee weapon to gain an additional attack. Why would FW write nonsense like this? And the price - just laughable, for a Primarch.

Maybe he just isn't allowed an additional attack?

[Defenestratus]

I'm finding all this "credit" whinging to be quite tiring. If you get a piece of knowledge and post it, it doesn't entitle you to any kind of price, or even recognition. It doesn't earn you nerd points or anything of the like. Its a picture, a piece of information, and you posted it on the internet. Its not content that you created - you just told people about it.

Whole lot of bloody effort there.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Guys. Those are his rules, I'm reading them.
If you can't accept them, then buy the bloody 70 quid book yourselves and stop mooching off of me.

/RAGE

[wittdooley]

I'm finding all this "credit" whinging to be quite tiring. If you get a piece of knowledge and post it, it doesn't entitle you to any kind of price, or even recognition. It doesn't earn you nerd points or anything of the like. Its a picture, a piece of information, and you posted it on the internet. Its not content that you created - you just told people about it.

Whole lot of bloody effort there.

No, you're right, it doesn't entitle you to anything but it is generally accepted journalistic practice to cite your source. Sure, the 'journalistic' nature of blogs is certainly suspect, but I don't think that its unreasonable to do so. Maybe I feel like that because of my background as a journalist and other's don't care, but I won't be reading his blog ever again (despite the fact that, based on what I did read, he's a pretty capable and intelligent author) because of my perceived lack of decorum. That's all. I probably could have been more polite in how I phrased it, but his "gimme gimme gimme" attitude, coupled with the fact that he didn't exhibt what I percieve as the common courtesy of citation, ruffled my feathers a bit. You'll note at the front of the BoLS page that everytime they link to THEIR OWN FORUM for information that is presented, they credit the originator. It's not hard, and it goes a long way.

@TDA --> I'd just ignore him, brother. You know many of us wholeheartedly appreciate all of your contributions. Also, fun haiku. Diggin it.

[Mr Mystery]

Rules are correct....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Cheers witt! :D

Credit where credit is due, I always say.

Also, I'm all up in them haikus!

[Deadlift]

Guys. Those are his rules, I'm reading them.
If you can't accept them, then buy the bloody 70 quid book yourselves and stop mooching off of me.

/RAGE

Don't rage mate, some of us do appreciate the sharing of info. If its a "bloody effort" or not its certainly good that others are willing to share.
It's much more constructive than some " other posts " in this thread ;)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I was mainly raging at the whole "Fulgrim must be fake" comment. I spent like 15 minutes of my life typing Fulgrim's rules from the book, mainly because my arms were freakin' killing me and I was falling asleep because I had been awake for 20 hours!
Such arrogance! Such mind-numbing arrogance!
I don't even like Fulgrim!


I respect those who respect me, that's why certain people get special treatment from me.
Deadlift, as always, you are a legend.

[HERO]

No, you're right, it doesn't entitle you to anything but it is generally accepted journalistic practice to cite your source. Sure, the 'journalistic' nature of blogs is certainly suspect, but I don't think that its unreasonable to do so. Maybe I feel like that because of my background as a journalist and other's don't care, but I won't be reading his blog ever again (despite the fact that, based on what I did read, he's a pretty capable and intelligent author) because of my perceived lack of decorum. That's all. I probably could have been more polite in how I phrased it, but his "gimme gimme gimme" attitude, coupled with the fact that he didn't exhibt what I percieve as the common courtesy of citation, ruffled my feathers a bit. You'll note at the front of the BoLS page that everytime they link to THEIR OWN FORUM for information that is presented, they credit the originator. It's not hard, and it goes a long way.

@TDA --> I'd just ignore him, brother. You know many of us wholeheartedly appreciate all of your contributions. Also, fun haiku. Diggin it.

Good. I wouldn't want someone who gets so butthurt over SUCH small a thing on my blog anyway. All you would do is complain! FFS.

As for TDA, I believe it. The weapon doesn't really look like it's 2H, but if the rules say that's what it is. Besides, it's not like Fulgrim needs it. 380 points for a ridiculous amount of attacks vs. a normal squad of marines and the fact he gets a 3+ invul in CC is quite amazing.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

He's mental in a challenge too.

[wittdooley]

Good. I wouldn't want someone who gets so butthurt over SUCH small a thing on my blog anyway. All you would do is complain! FFS.



Unwilling to take reasonable criticism. Got it. Seriously dude, all the other 'primary' 40k blogs cite their sources. You seem to fancy yourself a capable blogger, but are apparently above that.

My point is that it is, as you've recognized, a small thing, but it makes a big difference both to the contributor and the people reading. There's a reason we trust a rumour more if it comes from Harry. It's a simple fix, and honestly, were I you, I'd have already done it. Like I said previously, I could have been more tactful in my critique of it, but when you have a low post count and your only post contributions are asking for more info, well, it rankles a bit. Maybe I'm overprotective of this forum because, so far, it's a haven from all the douchebaggery of some of the other forums. If that's the case, shame on me.

Maybe it's an ignorance thing. Maybe you simply didn't realize citation was "the right thing to do." And that's fine. Your responses tell me it's more a lack of respect thing, which is more bothersome. I completely understand the internet is a place for people to be stubborn, disrespectful, faux-infallible asshats, and if that's the route you're choosing to take, so bet it.

Or you could make the citation like you did in the first place and I'll probably drop it.

[HERO]

I already cited it in the way I deemed necessary. I'm not going to edit my post just because it doesn't fit under your requirement of a citation. It's not out of disrespect for TDA, I think he's great, which is why I linked back originally to his post. It's in spite of you, because I think you're a giant bit*h who just cries if things don't go his way. Take your journalistic complaints to someone who actually cares and stop filling this thread with your god damn whine.

If my post count bothers you, maybe you should look up the articles I've written for BoLS instead. But if anything's to say about my post count, is that half of it is probably from arguing with your carebear self. And that's the only thing I'm embarrassed about.

On topic:

Fulgrim only having a 5++ save outside of CC.. and in an Apoc game looks to be certain death. Not sure if worth.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

He can go in transport by the way.


Guys seriously, drop this please. I don't mind. Witt, thank you for standing up for me. Hero, thank you for saying that I'm great. Let's just discuss Primarchs and drop the knives please? I have enough problems in real life without coming here and having to deal with them too.

[Gotthammer]

Oh, I don't know, reading this thread warms my bitter, misanthropic heart no end.

I'll be interested to see if the Loayalists get more than one version of their glorious overlords, or if it'll only be the bad guys who do. The only ones I'm interested in are the Lion and Dorn. Also curious to see how they do Alpharius given he doesn't stand out from his dudes much - if I were Forge World, I'd have no picture so you have to order blind, then send everyone a tactical squad box :D

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm not mad for conflict.

[HERO]

He can go in transport by the way.


Guys seriously, drop this please. I don't mind. Witt, thank you for standing up for me. Hero, thank you for saying that I'm great. Let's just discuss Primarchs and drop the knives please? I have enough problems in real life without coming here and having to deal with them too.

But I like knives, in particular Nurgle Poisoned Knives that my Plague Marines got for 1 point more :D

But in all seriousness, BigRed made a good point in his initial post. If Primarchs are indeed meant for Apoc games.. the things in Apoc scares me on the viability of these Primarchs. You're talking about the dudes we read about as kids that we thought were indestructible. Now they're given toughness, wounds and armor saves, and if you roll like a Grot, you're going to have a dead Primarch on the table. On the other side of the table, if you have a Primarch that can never die, and can completely change the game on his own, then you have a balance problem.. especially when not every Primarch is made the same way (different rules, different stats, therefore different cost vs. effectiveness).

Thoughts on this?

[Gotthammer]

I was good - I added on topic content and everything :p


Most of the characters I want to see produced likely won't get models though - Magos Zeph and the cast of Mechanicum and so on.


Edit: I'm assuming Primarchs have Eternal Warrior, and with 6 wounds and an ablative squad attached they'll be pretty hard to kill unless you turn your entire army on them at once (and even then...).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

They have stats, we have to live with it. :/

The opponent also has to watch out for FELLBLADES. :p

[Kyban]

But I like knives, in particular Nurgle Poisoned Knives that my Plague Marines got for 1 point more :D

But in all seriousness, BigRed made a good point in his initial post. If Primarchs are indeed meant for Apoc games.. the things in Apoc scares me on the viability of these Primarchs. You're talking about the dudes we read about as kids that we thought were indestructible. Now they're given toughness, wounds and armor saves, and if you roll like a Grot, you're going to have a dead Primarch on the table. On the other side of the table, if you have a Primarch that can never die, and can completely change the game on his own, then you have a balance problem.. especially when not every Primarch is made the same way (different rules, different stats, therefore different cost vs. effectiveness).

Thoughts on this?

Everything is nerfed for the rules. In the fluff everyone is so much more bad*** than their stats would suggest, if space marines died as often as they did on the table there wouldn't be a whole lot left.

[Deadlift]

In my mind, if your Primarch gets taken out of the game, he does not "die" he simple takes an inconvenient wound that needs seeing to until the next game. Or his pager has one off and he is simply requested on another field of battle.

Guns for show, knives for a pro.

[Deadlift]

I'm not mad for conflict.

Man hug

[HERO]

In my mind, if your Primarch gets taken out of the game, he does not "die" he simple takes an inconvenient wound that needs seeing to until the next game. Or his pager has one off and he is simply requested on another field of battle.

Guns for show, knives for a pro.

But he does die :P
He fails his It Will Not Die! save and thus, he is dead.

It's OK, I lie to myself too when my guys die on the table.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Man hug

Man hug.


Yes. I try to stay out of conflict if at all possible.

[Deadlift]

At the end when FW finish all the Primarchs, It will be interesting to see some sort of comp, where they all fight each other. 1 on 1.
Who will come on top ?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'd go the shifty ones, like Corax or Curze, they have manoeuvrability on their side.

[HERO]

I'd go the shifty ones, like Corax or Curze, they have manoeuvrability on their side.

I think fluff wise, Sangiunius was the best duelist. I'd put money on him. He has wings too, so he cheats just as much as Corax and Curze :P

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

And precog. Bloody sparkly cheater!

[Deadlift]

Isn't Vulcan supposed to have destroyed a whole raiding party of Dark (androgynous space guys) Eldar with just two black smiths hammers, that's quite bad *** in my book.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Vulkan is badazz. I just find his Legion as boring as hell. :p

Sorry Deadlift. If it helps, I find the Raven Guard quite dull too. At least Salamanders have colours...

[wittdooley]

But I like knives, in particular Nurgle Poisoned Knives that my Plague Marines got for 1 point more :D

But in all seriousness, BigRed made a good point in his initial post. If Primarchs are indeed meant for Apoc games.. the things in Apoc scares me on the viability of these Primarchs. You're talking about the dudes we read about as kids that we thought were indestructible. Now they're given toughness, wounds and armor saves, and if you roll like a Grot, you're going to have a dead Primarch on the table. On the other side of the table, if you have a Primarch that can never die, and can completely change the game on his own, then you have a balance problem.. especially when not every Primarch is made the same way (different rules, different stats, therefore different cost vs. effectiveness).

Thoughts on this?

My initial thought when that was brought up was, "don't use Titans," which, for most, is easy enough because not everyone has them. Then I saw Fulgrim's Special Rule, and that sorta ixnays that idea.

Honestly, I'm just excited at the notion of sending my Primarch cannonballing at a unit of opposing marines and cutting through while laughing maniacally. The Primarch, that is. Not me. Well maybe me, too.

Have we seen what the "It Won't Die" rule is, or whatever? I'm guessing it's akin to the tough rule in Warmahordes, where you can roll after you lose your last wound and if you make the 'save' you get to stay in the game.

Also, my completely hypthetical Vulkan for Deadlift:

Vulkan, Regent of Nocturne aka Gigantic Coal Black Demon-Eyed Guy

WS7/BS6/S7/T6/W6/A4/I5/LD10/SV2+

Spear of Vulkan (sorta hoping it ends up being a Hammer) Thunder Hammer, Master Crafted, Concussive, 2-Handed, Sunder, Forgebreaker --> Vulkan may forgo his normal attacks to make a single Forgebreaker attack. To do so, place the small blast template in base to base contact with vulkan. Any models the template touches suffer an auto-hit user Strength attack as Vulkan leaps into the air and brings down the spear of vulkan usint his titanic might.


Eye of Vulkan --> Grants Vulkan +1 to BS (already reflected in profile)
Kesear's Mantle --> Confers a 3++ vs Shooting Attacks,
Gauntlet of the Forge --> Master Crafted Inferno Flamer (S7 AP3), Assault 1, Flamer

Chalice of Fire --> The Chalice of fire is Vulkan's personal branding pit, Select one of the following brands to give Vulkan prior to battle:

Brand of Promethean--> Vulkan's demonic appearance causes Fear checks to be taken at -1 LD
Warding Brand --> Vulkan is Granted a 4+ Deny the Witch Save
Brand of the Firedrake--> Increase Kesare's Mantle's Invuln save +1 (2++) against flamer or melta weapons

According to the fluff there are 9 artifacts that the sallies are looking for, so they should all probably be represented somehow (Engine of Woes and Obsidian Chariot both sound like vehicles to me...Unbound flame and Song of Entropy I have no Idea)

Sire of the Salamanders

The Fireborn --> All salamanders legion units make take double the # of flame and melta weapons tahn the standard allowance.
Masters of the Forge --> All salamanders legion units may make their weapons master crafted weapons for +5 points a model.

Defenders of the Meek --> Salamanders Legion units within 6" of any Imperial Guard unit may attempt to make a Defender of the Meek action when the guard unit is targeted by a shooting action. Upon passing a leadership check, the Salamanders Legion unit may move into a LOS blocking position from the designated guard unit. Any salamanders unit making a Defender of the Meek action MUST become the target of the original shooting action.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It Will Not Die is in the 6th edition rulebook, you get to test every turn to see if you regain a lost wound.

Also, cool Vulkan!

[Deadlift]

Thanks for the awesome Vulkan profile and rules, that was very kind of you :)
I can see the effort. Thanks.

I love the fact you have incorporated so much of what the Salamanders are in those rules.

It's fun the black skin and red eyes, which make them look quite demonic, is turned on its head by their protective nature for those weaker than themselves. Fun stuff Sean :)

I did try a d PM you but your box is full.


Now I wonder if I can sneak it into my next game, muhhhaaahhaaaaa

[Mr Mystery]

Don't forget....you can bung your Primarch in a transport. And they really don't go down easily.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'd let you use that. Then again, I have Angron. :p

@Mystery, put them in a Spartan with some Cataphracts. LOLOLOLOL. :D

[Mr Mystery]

Nah. Drop Pod.

SURPRISE COCKFACE!!

[wittdooley]

Yeah, I just emptied my sent box, so I have room now.

You know, keeping a character fluffy while making them "make sense" is, IMO, important. I tried to do that with Vulkan, and it wasn't too, too hard. Again, I really sorta hope the "spear" of vulkan is actually a hammer. I mean, it better be. I think giving him a spear just...well, I just don't like it :-/ . I'll have sanguinius up at some point, and I may take an old college try at some of the other Primarch's I know a fair bit about.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nah. Drop Pod.

SURPRISE COCKFACE!!

Oh yes! Totally forgot about Drop Pods! Nice. :D

[Deadlift]

Isn't Vulcan supposed to have destroyed a whole raiding party of Dark (androgynous space guys) Eldar with just two black smiths hammers, that's quite bad *** in my book.


Its been brought to my attention via our ever friendly mod team that my jokey reference to the Dark Elder has given offence to one of our forum members. I would like to apologise unreservedly to whom ever took offence and assure them that in no way I ment to cause offence. I do sometimes forget my sense of humour is not to everyones taste and I did not mean to ever insult anyone.

Once again I am very sorry to whom ever I have offended and hope you wont let this be a judge of my character.

Regards

Joe

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Nice, that was nice.

[jonsgot]

Did anyone think the Imperial fortress wasn't as nice this year? I couldn't work out if it was too crowed (with models), too far away or if my eyes are getting worse but I remember it being more impressive last year.

This year

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPCBx7t8f4E&feature
Last year
http://achive.chaptermasters.com/PicOfTheDay/Gamesday2012.jpg

I like the picture of it in Planet strike best.

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

The rumor was there for a few days, but now its official...

You can own your own Slayer Sword - if you bid enough. The GD UK Winner, Karol Rudyk, sells his slayer sword on ebay (http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/10/uk-slayer-sword-for-sale.html). Good luck hunting :D

I could never sell mine, if I ever won one... Could you?

[Malogharst]

Whoa, TDA, sorry, no offence here, I was just shocked by the reaction on my post here :D
What is still confusing me, though, is why would anyone give such weapon to a character? It has two special rules that deny an additional attack for being armed with two CCW\pistol. Two identical in game mechanic rules for one weapon - wtf? Are FW game designers and editors blind or I'm just not getting to the point of it?

[Zaphod Beeblebrox]

A few days back I reported here that Karol Rudyk, winner of the 2012 UK Slayer Sword, sold his sword on ebay. He did so for 600$.

At the Hussar 2012 in Poland, I talked to Karol, asking him how on earth he could sell a sword like that. And he told me :)
According to Karol, the sword is a very cheap chinese "piece of §$%#". As a passionate sword collector, the slayer sword had no room in his collection. And since 600$ will get you far in a small village in Poland, he decided to sell it. If you would like to know a little more about what Karol said, you can check out this report here (http://masterminis.blogspot.de/2012/10/slayer-sword-winner-speaks-out.html).

I could never sell my sword, even if it is the Japanese Origami-Version :D

[olberon]

just 600. I would have bought it for 1000 just to have one :P (winner can PM me)
also verry interested in the slayer pin, still missing that one for my collection :D

[White Tiger88]

Man even if it is a P.O.S i would keep it just for the fact i won.........Sadly us Canadians get no game days to win them at :P

[spaceman91]

It could be the crappiest sword ever built. I would not be caught dead selling a slayer sword i had won. This may just be the fact that i can't paint to save my life but the point still stands.

[Spikey McTorture]

Trust me, when you really take at a look at a slayer sword, it's a piece of junk. There's really nothing more disappointing than being rewarded with a piece of made in china crap. When my friend won a golden daemon, we, naturally, were very happy for him. But when he showed us the slayer sword it was a piece of junk. Now I am also a sword collector, and truly, slayer swords are just insulting to receive. It shows how much games-workshop cares for it's fans, which is not at all.

[alshrive]

the actual slayer sword itself is quite pretty, i am aware that each winner gets replica of it but the actual proper sword is kept at GWHQ for all to see all year round....

[Psychosplodge]

But they look different every year, are you sure they don't just keep one of those "slayer of kings" replicas they made a decade ago. they were very pretty...