FW Horus Heresy Interview

[DrLove42]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6S0ZaG9xEIA&feature=plcp

New Horus Heresy Interview for Forge World

- Some BL Characters
- FELLBLADES - A model at 2:43
- Not just Marines, will include other Imperial forces at some point (No Xenos mention)
- Full Chapter deployments
- Heresy Era Vindicator? 3:57
- FW Jet bikes at 3:59
- Auspex (radio) marine in early armour 4:03
- PRE HERESY TERMINATORS - 4:05

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

GLORIOUS! VIKING TECHNOLOGY! :D

My Dark Angels are MOST delighted.

[eldargal]

Sounds quite nifty as books about Marines go...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh gods...

We should hide the Marine threads from EG. :p

[eldargal]

:p
/troll.

Actually it sounds quite nifty, I approve of it being a stand-alone expansion, hopefully that implies they aren't expecting people to be taking heaps of pre-Heresy stuff in regular games of 40k. I for one will be refusing to play against armies with SM jetbikes in unless it is whatsisname of the Raventhingy.

[William_Riker]

"Heresy Era Vindicator? 3:57"
Not a Vindicator, the base is a land raider.
Cant wait for the bikes and the pre Heresy Terminators

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Sammael of the Ravenwing. :D

I need some awesome names for my Dark Angels actually...
TO THE BIBLE!

[RGilbert26]

I don't see what's wrong with someone taking Jetbikes with their regular 40k army, as long as they are only used as bikes and equipped the same then i don't see the issue.

Looking forward to the pre-heresy Terminator armour.

[eldargal]

Because the Imperium only has one jetbike left in the 41st millennium.:p If they are just using bike rules that is fine, but in the 41st millennium the IoM does not have access to jetbikes so I will not be playing armies that include them. Unless they are willing to let me take pre-Fall eldar technology too, fair is fair.


Sun Switch: At the start of each turn, roll a D6. On a 2+ you succeed in turning off the sun, game ends immediately as an Eldar victory.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Eldar success!!!

[DrLove42]

. Unless they are willing to let me take pre-Fall eldar technology too, fair is fair.

Eldar player rolls a dice.

On a 1 the planet explodes, kills everyone.
On a 2+ the sun explodes, the eldar escape and the entire other team are killed.

Good game!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

But then you might as well be playing Yugioh...

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

One of the rulesheets shown is for a former Deathguard psyker (Death Guard hated psykers pre/mid-heresy), who is now referred to as a "Blackshield" (the term is used in the Deathwatch to refer to an anonymous Space Marine volunteer, but the Deathwatch are not active in this period).

Since they're only doing Traitor legions in this book (no outside codices needed for the campaign), but also need a conflict, perhaps the Blackshields are one of the new "dark secrets", pre-heresy renegade marines?


Unless they are willing to let me take pre-Fall eldar technology too, fair is fair.I'd imagine that the Legion rules are well balanced, since it sounds like they'll be pulling in outside Codices for Imperial Army/Xenos later in the series, should be fine. Plus, Eldar are immortal, their tryst with a Legion is likely just playing out a Great Crusade battle :P

[DrLove42]

I like the idea of there being big secrets that haven'teven been touched by the BL

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Ah! It does look very nice indeed :)

Nice to finally the jetbikes and Cataphrakt terminators! they look very good. Can't deny I'm a little tempted despite being Xenos-scum. Fair enough at the first book focussing on the Legions - look forward to future books featuring hopefully Custodes and Sisters Of Silence - both of which seem to crop up occasionally in project logs on forums.

As for future xeno stuff, I hope they'll introduce the Cabal, Megarachnids and Laer. I admit to being a bit of a Cabal fanboy as quite a few of the races in it are like something right out of Stapledon's Star Maker (and if you havent read that, you don't deserve to call yourself a sci-fi fan and should buy a copy asap).

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

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Thought id take some screenshots for those that can't see YT at work or whatever

[BatMarine]

I am actually really excited about this, EG, they can just use it as proxy normal stuff with you so they still get to play with their pretty new toys!

Personally I can't wait for the book that will do the 8th proud, and hopefully show the decline of Batma---- Ahem Konrad Way--- Err Curze into complete lunacy. With 3,000 or so points of Night Lords, it can only go up with these books.

It's especially good that they're doing legion specific books/organizations because in the case of Chaos Marines, it sometimes makes more sense to play them as counts as something else if you want to match the -Well thought out background-. Either way I'm excited that Chaos is getting a ton of love, both from GW and Forgeworld. It's about time the Bad Guys got a role.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Asymmetrical Xeno (http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/member.php?337-Asymmetrical-Xeno) is the best thing since sliced bread.

[eldargal]

Anyone else think the jetbike looks rather phallic?

No? Well bleep you.

*flips table*

/ragequit

[DrLove42]

I think it looks more like a Tau Piranha and a old fashioned car with the big rolls royce exposed camshafts and exhausts had a love child....

What I mean FYI

http://www.gloucestershiremotorshow.co.uk/images/classic-vintage-cars/IMGP0588.jpg

Thats a Bentley with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine from a Spitfire. The big exposed engines down the side...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Oh EG....

[Psychosplodge]

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Release dates? Take all my money!


Anyone else think the jetbike looks rather phallic?

No? Well bleep you.

*flips table*

/ragequit
That's your mind :p


I think the designer had been watching the topgear with the car made out of a spitfire engine...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I know man!

I AM SO FREAKIN' EXCITED FOR THE HERESY.
*rubs knees Vic Reeves style*

[DrLove42]

I think the designer had been watching the topgear with the car made out of a spitfire engine...

I already said that :P

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?24765-FW-Horus-Heresy-Interview&p=241514&viewfull=1#post241514

[Psychosplodge]

oh yeah, how'd I miss that?

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Because you suck?

[JamesP]

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Thanks for that.

The Fellblade picture has in the foreground what looks like a FW reworking of the Rogue Trader-era Marine communications specialist. I still have that somewhere (probably painted quite badly) and it's nice to see it updated.

[DrLove42]

Yeah the marine in question is featured in the video as well.

[JamesP]

Also, I noticed one of the scenarios had 'Istvaan Mysterious Terrain' listed as one of the rules. However it did have '(Optional)' listed straight afterwards at least :)

I wonder how whacky the Istvaan Mysterious Terrain rules will be?

"You enter an Istvaan Mysterious Forest. Roll a D6. On a 1, the Imperator-class Titan Dies Irae is hidden there; any Loyalist Marines in the Forest die explosively. On a 2, Angron is there; any Loyalist Marines in the Forest die messily. On a 3... etc."

[DrLove42]

Also, I noticed one of the scenarios had 'Istvaan Mysterious Terrain' listed as one of the rules. However it did have '(Optional)' listed straight afterwards at least :)

I wonder how whacky the Istvaan Mysterious Terrain rules will be?

"You enter an Istvaan Mysterious Forest. Roll a D6. On a 1, the Imperator-class Titan Dies Irae is hidden there; any Loyalist Marines in the Forest die explosively. On a 2, Angron is there; any Loyalist Marines in the Forest die messily. On a 3... etc."

Now I just have the image of an Imperator titan holding a little twig in his hands in front of "his" face and hiding :P

[energongoodie]

This.......is...........AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

The only problem is the money I had earmarked for the new Chaos Space Marines stuff is now officially being held in reserve to buy every bit of this stuff I can get the moment it's released!
I'm loving it. I can't wait for my Iron Hands to get some bikes and I think I will pick one traitor legion and do them pre-heresy.
I'm drawn to the Night Lords, Alpha Legion and World Eaters. I'll do one 40k and one 30k. This is gonna be great!!

[Deadlift]

Oh my, I think I just messed my kegs.

So now I am thinking of selling the wife and kids to fund my pre-heresy Death Guard Legion, which I will have.

[bunkermonkey9]

can't wait to start my world eaters army

[JamesP]

Now I just have the image of an Imperator titan holding a little twig in his hands in front of "his" face and hiding :P

Going, 'you ain't seen me, right?'

[Psychosplodge]

Because you suck?

Or I was concentrating on clock watching as was nearly time to go home :p


Going, 'you ain't seen me, right?'

Shhhh it's a secret

[Mr Mystery]

Or I was concentrating on clock watching as was nearly time to go home :p



Shhhh it's a secret

All that Pre Heresy goodness!

Wonder how many bits makers are now worried for the future?

[gcsmith]

Incoming Loyalist Emperors children army led by Denter

[isotope99]

I like the terminators and the fellblade. The jetbike is putting off a real mid life crisis feel though

[Lukas The Trickster]

Just spied the Justaerin terminators at 4:06! Lupercal, LUPERCAL! :cool:

[MarneusCalgar]

SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY hahahahaha

[Ulthwé Guardian]

My notes:
1:45 -
No codex's needed, guess FW won't need to change their books every time GW makes an update. Only four playable legions, Death Guard, Emperors Children, Luna Wolves and World Eaters 9 (aww hoping for more there). Rules for the each Primarchs of four legions mentioned. Allies are available but the book mentions the Allies chart is limited because other legions have not yet been published. Six Scenarios randomly chosen similar to Eternal War Scenarios: 1.Blood Feud, 2.Fire Tide, 3.Shatter Strike, 4.Onslaught, 5.Domination and 6.Extermination. Three new deployment types Clash of the Line, Dawn of War and Search and Destroy. These sound similar to the deployments types in the 5th edition.
2:09 -
Blood Feud, reads like a Purge the Alien scenario with two twists, infantry and jump infantry count as two points and the side with most surviving units gains a one point secondary objective. Fire Tide is like a Crusade game except with players taking turns placing incendiaries that linger around and cause damage to nearby units.
2:29 -
Captain Saul Tarvitz of the Emperor's Children, I remember this guy from Horus Rising, he seemed reasonable. Looks like he sides with the Loyalists because he gains Preferred Enemy against Emperor's Children.
2:33 -
Section Leader Crysos Morturg, seems to be a Death Guard Librarian with only one power. I noticed in his list was hardened power armour, maybe power does different things now?
2:43 -
What looks like Fellblade, kinda looks like a cross between a Baneblade and Deimos Predator. Notice the quad lascannons, I wonder what the main guns can do?
3:57 -
Land Raider type + plus demolisher cannon??
4:00 -
Space Marine Jetbikes.
4:02 -
Space Marine Comms guy, what a big head.
4:04 -
Heresy Terminators, noticing the grenade launchers on the Sergeant's back and a Termie in the back featuring what looks like finger based lightening claws.

[Defenestratus]

I'm actually with Eldargal here.

If you don't like Marines then this book is kind of ... well... boring.

The thing that makes 40k so cool is the variety in it, and I just see this as one big book of homogenousness.

(fwiw I do have about 12,000 points of blood angels)

[Cpt Codpiece]

I'm actually with Eldargal here.

If you don't like Marines then this book is kind of ... well... boring.

The thing that makes 40k so cool is the variety in it, and I just see this as one big book of homogenousness.

(fwiw I do have about 12,000 points of blood angels)

this is a horus heresy book covering a very small (in the grand scheme of hh) battle, sadly no mention on the warsingers and istvaan pdf :(

[ChacoStylez]

Ooooh yeeeah! Garviel Loken, captain of the Loyalist Luna Wolves, 10th company will soon be kicking @$$ and taking names, all in the name of the Emperor that is :D.

[eldargal]

I'm not quite as unimpressed as I make out.:p I think it will be a very high quality book worth getting even if Marines are getting a little dull. I just think it would have been more interesting if Marines didn't also dominate the IA books. Balance it out by a xenos centric book still told from the IoM perspective. Eldar and Necrons battling it out over an IoM world with the IoM scrambling to figure out what is going on. Or something.:rolleyes: It's not like the IoM have to take up all the space in a book for them to sell models and put rules out.

I'm actually with Eldargal here.

If you don't like Marines then this book is kind of ... well... boring.

The thing that makes 40k so cool is the variety in it, and I just see this as one big book of homogenousness.

(fwiw I do have about 12,000 points of blood angels)

[Deadlift]

I'm actually with Eldargal here.

If you don't like Marines then this book is kind of ... well... boring.

The thing that makes 40k so cool is the variety in it, and I just see this as one big book of homogenousness.

(fwiw I do have about 12,000 points of blood angels)

Simple economics though, judging by the reaction over the internet and in the store, this is going to make a bucket load of cash. Hopefully in turn FW will reinvest some of that into more xeno centric books.

[Wildeybeast]

I'm actually with Eldargal here.

If you don't like Marines then this book is kind of ... well... boring.

The thing that makes 40k so cool is the variety in it, and I just see this as one big book of homogenousness.

(fwiw I do have about 12,000 points of blood angels)


Not just that, but this book consists of the four most boring legions fighting themselves. I'm actually pretty disappointed by this, I better not have to buy this one to be able to use the ones that actually contain some good stuff.

[Lukas The Trickster]

I'm not quite as unimpressed as I make out.:p I think it will be a very high quality book worth getting even if Marines are getting a little dull. I just think it would have been more interesting if Marines didn't also dominate the IA books. Balance it out by a xenos centric book still told from the IoM perspective. Eldar and Necrons battling it out over an IoM world with the IoM scrambling to figure out what is going on. Or something.:rolleyes: It's not like the IoM have to take up all the space in a book for them to sell models and put rules out.

To be fair, thats more or less what the last one (The Doom of Mymeara) was, I thought. I guess the narrative direction that the Forgeworld writers have gone down means that the scope for multiple xenos races in IA books and models to support them will always be limited at the expense of human/imperial stuff. Lets face it, most 40k players probably have an imperial army of some kind, with races like Eldar, Tau or Tyranids are less popular, so its probably a sound decision on Forgeworlds part to write campaign books and release models that involve the more popular armies and to write it from a human narrative - 40k gamers are all more or less human arent we, so a campaign book involving Eldar and Tau fighting a Tyranid incursion would probably not sell much because a) less people play those armies and b) players would find it hard to identify with a capricious, haughty bunch of pointy ears and blue skinned quasi-communists as 'the good guys'. I think that this is also the reason behind the relatively small amount of BL fiction written from those races perspective.

[eldargal]

See I don't accept that logic entirely, look at WFB, while humans (Empire) are one of the top-selling armies the others are High Elves, Dark Elves and Warriors of Chaos (sort of human I admit). Over a shorter time frame since their re-release Ogre Kingdoms is doing extremely well too.I know Marines sell and I have no problem with GW meeting that demand (they would be quite wrong not to) but I do believe that has gone too far in some cases and this is particularly evident with FW. Remember my idea wasn't having the book written from the xenos perspective, it was to have a campaign where the IoM was caught in the middle and were trying to understand what was going on while vast alien armies fought around them.

[Psychosplodge]

I like the terminators and the fellblade. The jetbike is putting off a real mid life crisis feel though

I So want a squad of those jetbikes, and a space marine super heavy...squadron....

[Lightcavalier]

Perhaps by shunting so much of the Marine centric effort into the HH series, it will free up the rest of their design team to work on more Xenos/Chaos stuff.

So you get one series of books thats all Marine and Guard vs Marine and Guard while the IA books carry on as Guard w. Marines vs Chaos/Xenos etc

Just my thoughts.

[JamesP]

I like the terminators and the fellblade. The jetbike is putting off a real mid life crisis feel though

Oh I don't know, I want to buy one of those jetbikes and I don't turn 40 until the end of the month. I could be starting my mid-life crisis early though :-)

[eldargal]

The book is priced at £70, ifi t hasn't been mentioned already. From here (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Events/UK_Games_Day_2012.htm).

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/uk2012/jetpaint6.jpg
'No midlife crisis here, no sir.'

[Lukas The Trickster]

£70 for the book I can handle as a one-off, but £70 for three jetbikes mucho mucho dollars!

[energongoodie]

I am not the type to moan about the price of my model stuff. I usually find it fair enough and I love buying it so it gets bought. But it feels like they are just pushing the price to the max to see how far us muppets will go to get a bit of Horus Heresy loving.
I have no idea how much this stuff costs to produce, so I am not coming from a place of knowledge, but it just feels too much.
Do we know if this book is much bigger than Imperial Armour 10 say, to justify the cost?
Whatever the cost, I do know they are gonna sell a boat load.

[Mr Mystery]

They seem bigger than Sammael, so the price isn't as bonkers as you might think.

Me, just getting the book for now! Once I know the army structure etc, I'll be able to appraise cost v point value more accurately. I do like the Jetbikes though!

[eldargal]

Page count of HH: Betrayal is 290, so that is something in the order of 30% more pages than IA11 for 50% more, but it is also leather bound.

[energongoodie]

Page count of HH: Betrayal is 290, so that is something in the order of 30% more pages than IA11 for 50% more, but it is also leather bound.

Thanks EG :)

I just read the jetbike description that says there were other patterns of jetbikes. I'm hoping this a hint to more models. If we get more then I will have a whole army of the damned things!

[Psychosplodge]

But what's it smell like?

[Lukas The Trickster]

As an aside, I ordered a tactical squad and an assault squad of the MKII 'crusade' armour today. I reckon that once the book is released, loads of people will be ordering them, and you will have to wait for ages for them to catch up with orders. Maybe on the run up to Games Day they will already be too busy to despatch orders and so I will have to wait anyway.