Karchev The Terrible now a 40k Ripoff

[Ironhide77]

Has anyone else noticed that that the new "Hellbrute" in the latest 40k box set is amazingly similar to the Khador model of Karchev This makes me frown because of the policy that GW has concerning their own product licensing.

http://privateerpress.com/files/products/khador/warcasters/karchev-the-terrible.png

http://theshellcase.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/m2540261a_60010199006_dvhelbrute01_873x627.jpg

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yep, I can totally see the similarities... All of that flesh... and flesh... and a gun... and tentacles...

Yep, I totally see it.

/sarcasm

[Ironhide77]

OK so aesthetics aside the person who made this model clearly used this as a template. I don't care one way or the other that he did this what I was trying to say that GW lays the smack down on stuff like this. I personally feel that this model is close enough in design to be hypocritical on the part of GW.

/No Sarcasm

[Gotthammer]

You mean a dreadnought with a visible pilot is stolen from a warjack with a visible pilot? Because if you're discarding aesthetics we're left with 'giant robot with a dude in', which Karchev is more a rip-off of GW as dreadnoughts are a staple of 40k, while 'jacks don't have pilots, so a guy riding in one is more tenuous as inpiration than as inspired by.
Also given the hellbrute is a modification of a 20 year old design by GW with the even older Chaos aesthetic layered over the top, we're only left with the particular pose, which is spurious reasoning at best, as I'm sure we could find dozens of models that are posed alike. And they're not actually posed very similarly either.

[Ironhide77]

Fair Points. I will shut up.

[mordiano]

Unless thay are able to patent the pose.... and the colour red ;)

[lobster-overlord]

Unless thay are able to patent the pose.... and the colour red ;)

Well, they've at least trademarked several reds now :-)

It' is weird how similar they are though.

[OrksOrksOrks]

If anything it shows just how far ahead GW are in the model department, the Helbrute has so much more impact and detail and the posing is a lot better, it makes the Warmachine guy look something GW were doing 20 years ago.

[Psychosplodge]

It is a very similar pose... But they're both ugly, I much prefer the square Space Marine dreadnought...

Like this one,

http://e621.net/data/35/9a/359a5440a035b13412538671988d57b4.png?1319482648

[Bigred]

If anything it shows just how far ahead GW are in the model department, the Helbrute has so much more impact and detail and the posing is a lot better, it makes the Warmachine guy look something GW were doing 20 years ago.

That said...

Karchev is quite an old model, and the Helbrute is right on the cutting edge of GW's technical abilities. Also, the standard Imperial dreads do look quite lame compared to either of these two.

[olberon]

pose is indeed the same. but there the similarities stop.

[Psychosplodge]

the standard Imperial dreads do look quite lame compared to either of these two.

You think? Personally the dread does exactly what it should, looks like a block of heavy armour on legs...

[War Painter]

The actual design of the Imperial Dread is very good for the flavor. Its a hunk of metal that imprisons a fallen warrior whose only thought left is to fight for the emperor.... Honestly that description doesn't do it justice.

[Chris*ta]

Unless thay are able to patent the pose.... and the colour red ;)

In Australia, Cadbury Chocolate's trademark line includes "the colour purple" as in, literally those words, not the movie that had Oprah in it.

I think they're trying to be clever and funny and hip, but it seems awfully lame as a joke to me.


pose is indeed the same. but there the similarities stop.

The poses are similar, but the GW one is far better executed.

The other one looks like he's about to fall over backwards. Not to mention the hilt of his sword would be underground, if it weren't for the height of the base.

Also, the "meaning" (can't think of better word) of the poses is very different. The PP one is throwing a haymaker with his left, whereas the GW one is focused on firing his multimelta. Not sure why he's waving his other arm around. Rule of cool?