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Bigred
08-26-2012, 10:05 PM
Ok here's the master rumor roundup for Forgeworld's Horus Heresy books.

Rumor mongers include Harry and RogueStar from Warseer.

Basics
Three books planned - SO FAR. Could be others.

Primarchs and rules for the legions will be covered.

Volume 1 - "BETRAYAL"

Covers the opening of the Heresy, the Dropsite Massacre, the Traitor Legions, space combat in Istvaan, and Primarch models for Angron, Mortarion and Fulgrim.

Youtube video here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L2yt7IS0OY&feature=player_embedded)

Legions shown in artwork are:

Emperor's Children
Death Guard
Sons of Horus
World Eaters

Three Primarch's planned are:
Angron
Mortarion
Fulgrim

Angron's miniature is described as:

He's advancing, from left to right. Two chainaxes, one in each hand. Right hand going for an overhead chop, the other drawn back against his torso for a sideswipe (because it's Angron, he can't possibly be blocking!). High collar. White shoulder plates. Dreadlock-like neural-implants. Very angry. Link-chain cloak with a few skulls attached...

He is a good bit bigger than a 'normal' marine.

Also, murmurs of a Fellblade...
Out in time for Gamesday UK 2012
Described as a "BIG Book"

faeit212 (8/29/2012)


The Horus Heresy book 1 will have rules for playing Space Marine Legions.

Each legion gets a unique special rule for all space marines.

Each Legion is getting a unique elites option.

HQs get some unique wargear based on legion as well.

Guard are in the list and operate like platoons from the 40k dex. Essentially being a list within a list needing command + 2 units and can then take others.

They can't blob, but they can be taken in squads up to 30 anyways.

Super heavy tanks are in, but are BS4 with space marine crew.

Legions have the option of taking allies from other space marine forces, Titans or guard air force.

Betrayal has the legion rules for Luna wolves, death guard, emperor's children and world eaters

Primarchs are Apocalypse only and pretty baller.

No rules for Horus until the Battle for Terra book.

Mortarion, Angron and Fulgrim are in.

Space marines are fearless and a basic marine is 16 pts with bolter, bp, ccw and their legion rule or generic place holder.

Games are recommended to be played at 2,500 points or more.

One of the special scenarios calls for 10,000 points per side and ISN'T apocalypse.

There is a section on Xenos which suggests that some heresy era rules may come for them as well, but in betrayal they are a foot note but can still participate in Volume 1 of the campaign (and presumably throughout).

later in the series to keep it fresh, there will be additional wargear and options for traitor legions in the form of mutations and gifts as well as a rules for using daemons as allies, and similar ally intended lists for Sisters of Silence and Custodes though nothing will stop you from using these lists as pure armies save that they are not fully fleshed out.

You just nominate your legion, you don't have to purchase a specific special character.

Don't worry though, special characters are in, and they force your legion rule


faeit212 (9/5/2012)

-The Horus Heresy book Betrayal will be released at Games Day UK along with Models, followed by a general release after GD.
-3 books are planned for release by the end of this year
-There is no limit to the number of books that will be released for the Horus Heresy. They will be taking a tactical view of the major engagements during the Heresy in chronological order, and do not yet know the number of books that are going to be done
-They absolutely will not be outrunning the Black Library to get to the Siege of Terra
-The Horus Heresy books will be full stand alone supplements for 40k "You will not need to reference a single codex to play".

Absolon
08-26-2012, 10:20 PM
I think everyone will be happy when they see this book in a couple weeks. Yes it is a big book

DrLove42
08-27-2012, 12:22 AM
Friend was at Gencon in the states a week or so back, talked to the FW team. They told him 7 books, not 3

Corvus-Master-of-The-4th
08-27-2012, 12:36 AM
Well gee... I think I am gunna have to make some pre-heresy Dark Angels! :D

energongoodie
08-27-2012, 03:14 AM
I've wanted Primarch models for so long. If they get them right, this will be the best 40k thing ever.....ever!

Having trouble not getting too excited in case this all goes wrong.

korgüll
08-27-2012, 03:19 AM
Long time lurker! First time poster!

...but the horus heresy is more a 30k thing, isn't it.

cheers

Wildeybeast
08-27-2012, 03:27 AM
I think e eryone will be happy when they see this book Ina couple weeks. Yes it is a big book

I won't be if all it has in it are the stupid traitor legions. If it covers the dropsite massacre, where's my Corax model????? I don't want to have to wait until the next book. Also, if the book only has those legions in, I assume that the only people they will be able to fight is themselves, representing the purging of their legions on Istvaan 3. That will make for a really boring book in my opinion.

eldargal
08-27-2012, 03:32 AM
From what I understand it isn't just about the Dropsite Misunderstanding, that is just the culmination of it and a good portion of the book is dedicated to it. But not the whole book.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-27-2012, 03:33 AM
I can't wait for this to be released to be honest. I'm going to buy the whole set as it's released, love the Horus Heresy.

energongoodie
08-27-2012, 03:39 AM
Long time lurker! First time poster!

...but the horus heresy is more a 30k thing, isn't it.

cheers

Forgive me. You are right.
But to me 30k isn't a thing....yet. In this instance, I use the term 40k as an umbrella title to cover the futuristic world of GW. Ever since the idea of the Primarchs was introduced I have wanted official GW models. That's a long time to be wanting a model. If we get them and they aren't Nagash like, then I will be one happy GW fanboy. :D

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-27-2012, 03:43 AM
But think energon.... FERRUS MANUS. :D

Wildeybeast
08-27-2012, 03:47 AM
From what I understand it isn't just about the Dropsite Misunderstanding, that is just the culmination of it and a good portion of the book is dedicated to it. But not the whole book.

Yes, but if the book covers it at all, would it not make sense for there to be loyalist legions in there, so you can actually have someone to fight with your traitors other than your own legion. Unless they are planning to make this 40k compatible, which would be terrible.

eldargal
08-27-2012, 03:50 AM
There may be rules for loyalists yet, we only have the most eketchiest of information to go on so far.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-27-2012, 03:50 AM
I think loyalists will be in there, there are always rules for both sides in FW books.

energongoodie
08-27-2012, 03:52 AM
But think energon.... FERRUS MANUS. :D

I know buddy!!! :D

These are exciting model times that we are living in. I believe they can get these right and that they have the talented people required to make my GW dreams come true!

I WANT TO BELIEVE!
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Wildeybeast
08-27-2012, 03:54 AM
There may be rules for loyalists yet, we only have the most eketchiest of information to go on so far.



I think loyalists will be in there, there are always rules for both sides in FW books.

Fingers crossed - Victorus aut mortis!

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-27-2012, 03:57 AM
@Wildey - Victorus Aut Mortis!
Into the fires of battle, unto the anvil of war!
The Flesh Is Weak!

@energon - Me too! :D
Super excited for this release.

Kirsten
08-27-2012, 05:04 AM
Unless they are planning to make this 40k compatible, which would be terrible.

why? no reason why you can't field a legion against any of the 40k races. The books aren't going to be a new ruleset, they are new armies basically.

eldargal
08-27-2012, 05:13 AM
Well personally the prospect of up to 18 new Marine armies doesn't really thrill me. So I'm not going to play against them with my 40k eldar regardless of what FW say about it. But I do recall some talk of them keeping it seperate from 40k so you they can put primarchs at the appropriate power level without having them solo Phantom titans and the like (looking at you Magnus you son of a glorified petrie dish)

Wildeybeast
08-27-2012, 05:31 AM
why? no reason why you can't field a legion against any of the 40k races. The books aren't going to be a new ruleset, they are new armies basically.

What EG says. Having the prospect of Primarchs running around 40k battlefields is utterly stupid. It's fine if they are for Apocalypse only, or 'need opponents permission' but if they get the 'suitable for 40K' seal of approval it will be like everyone running around with Teclis.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-27-2012, 05:39 AM
No. I do not agree.
Forge World aren't introducing 18 new armies, they are already existing armies.

I'm really glad that they're making Primarchs, I really want to see designs for the likes of Konrad or Vulkan.

If you don't want Marines then don't buy them, no one is forcing you.

eldargal
08-27-2012, 05:41 AM
If they have their own lists in a FW book they are no more existing armies than Blood angels, Dark Angels and Black Templar are just one Space Marine army.

Deadlift
08-27-2012, 05:55 AM
Can't get enough of anything in power armour myself. Bring it on.

sleedog1
08-29-2012, 09:16 AM
surely, you can only play these armies against 40k XENOS armies, since they're 30k.
Still, CAN'T WAIT

DrLove42
08-29-2012, 09:18 AM
As someone said prior to the forum backwash, in the 30K's the Tau were using sticks and fire as their greatest achievements, so can't really match up

Beamo
08-29-2012, 11:45 AM
This gives me something to look forward to for when whatever book containing SW comes out.

energongoodie
08-29-2012, 02:28 PM
Can't get enough of anything in power armour myself. Bring it on.

+1.....again

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
08-29-2012, 02:43 PM
Double +1.

AVE DEUS IMPERATOR!

plawolf
08-29-2012, 08:15 PM
So, I'm guessing the traitor primarches will still be in their uncorrupted forms in the first book? If so, then that means all the traitor primarches might feature twice and have two very different models each, one representing them as they were when they first turned, and another after the heresy when they were elevated to daemon princes. The only exception might be the Alpha legion, but since they got two primarches anyways, there will still be two models.

Bigred
09-05-2012, 01:29 PM
Latest into added in OP:

Wildeybeast
09-05-2012, 01:44 PM
Stand alone supplements for 40k, no codicies needed eh? If true, that means full on army lists and hopefully no use in standard 40k games.

Deadlift
09-05-2012, 04:37 PM
Stand alone supplements for 40k, no codicies needed eh? If true, that means full on army lists and hopefully no use in standard 40k games.

Sounds good to me, just the thought of Primarchs allowed in normal games just isn't on for those xenos players really.

Tzeentch's Dark Agent
09-05-2012, 04:54 PM
It's as if DrLove and Eldargal simultaneously cried out in pain and were silenced. :p