Daemonette666
08-20-2012, 08:35 PM
I looked back 8 pages to see if the question had been asked before. If it was then point me to the thread thank you.
Here is the question: I want to charge a unit with 2 or more units. As an example lets say a Plague Marine unit, a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh and a Noise Marine Unit. The enemy Grey Hunters Space Wolf squad has 2 melta guns and their normal bolters.
Does the unit being charged get to pick who they overwatch shoot at? I declard the Plague Marines as charging first, then ask the opponent if he will overwatch shoot at therm. He asked if I were going to charge with other units, and I said yes, so he opted to not overwatch against the Plague Marines. I rolled the charge distance then moved the plague Marines into close combat.
I then declare the Daemon Prince is charging, and now the opponent wants to use his overwatch. I tell him he has opted not to use it, and argues that he can overwatch any unit that charges him in the turn provided he was not locked in combat the previous turn. I disagree, and try to show him the section on overwatch,. He continues to argue his point and since he has argued with me on the rules, for most of the game, and I am sick of arguing, I let him overwatch, and he causes 1 wound on the DP from a Melta gun. I charge the DP then charge in the Noise Marines. In that round of CC I kill his squad and he did not even get to attack me back even though he was successful in his counter attack roll. His models were removed before they got to the Initiative 4 phase.
The person running the tournament was not available to ask a clarifying question at the time as he was filling in to make numbers so the odd person out (day two, 1 player did not turn up) actually got to play a round of combat.
How do I handle opponents like this in tournaments, he would not dice off, and wanted to delay the game for as long as possible looking up rules. I asked the TO a couple times to resolve his disagreements on my use of legal tactics. He even had a few rules he could not substantiate, and I was able to turn to the relevant page and show him, that he was wrong. I gave him a poor score on the results sheet (fudged his moves to get an extra inch or 2 out of the move, argued about rules, did not explain which dice were for which weapons for a couple rolls.
I had even helped him out a couple times when he forgot to move or shot a unit before going to the next phase, and I allowed him to move it or shoot with the unit, and he said he did not need my help. A thoroughly most unpleasant game to play.
It was the last round in the tournament, and I was glad I beat him. It put me in third place, behind a very powerful Space Marine Army and the winner Orks led by Ghazghul run by my friend Rob C. whose army was not an overly powerful army. He did have 2 fliers, but they had to face my 2 hydras and Icarus Quad gun.
My other friend who played in the tournament Rhys who ran Daemons with CSM allies and only played for the first day because of work, told me my army was , for my standards, not a cheesy army. He also told me I played very tactically for a change. Rhys has a way of making me cancel my plans or tactics, splitting my force, and making it so I have to notice some nasty daemon units attacking me in the rear, or against a vital point I wanted to hold.
Grud on a Greenie, I can waffle on. :D
Anyway, how does everyone else handle people like my space wolf opponent who had a very cheesy army list, and try to win at all costs?
Can I get a ruling for the scenario I mentioned before with 3 units charging the Grey Hunters?
Thanks for any replies that solve my problem.
TDA, no silly trolling remarks now. LOL Except for the waffling thing. OK.
Here is the question: I want to charge a unit with 2 or more units. As an example lets say a Plague Marine unit, a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh and a Noise Marine Unit. The enemy Grey Hunters Space Wolf squad has 2 melta guns and their normal bolters.
Does the unit being charged get to pick who they overwatch shoot at? I declard the Plague Marines as charging first, then ask the opponent if he will overwatch shoot at therm. He asked if I were going to charge with other units, and I said yes, so he opted to not overwatch against the Plague Marines. I rolled the charge distance then moved the plague Marines into close combat.
I then declare the Daemon Prince is charging, and now the opponent wants to use his overwatch. I tell him he has opted not to use it, and argues that he can overwatch any unit that charges him in the turn provided he was not locked in combat the previous turn. I disagree, and try to show him the section on overwatch,. He continues to argue his point and since he has argued with me on the rules, for most of the game, and I am sick of arguing, I let him overwatch, and he causes 1 wound on the DP from a Melta gun. I charge the DP then charge in the Noise Marines. In that round of CC I kill his squad and he did not even get to attack me back even though he was successful in his counter attack roll. His models were removed before they got to the Initiative 4 phase.
The person running the tournament was not available to ask a clarifying question at the time as he was filling in to make numbers so the odd person out (day two, 1 player did not turn up) actually got to play a round of combat.
How do I handle opponents like this in tournaments, he would not dice off, and wanted to delay the game for as long as possible looking up rules. I asked the TO a couple times to resolve his disagreements on my use of legal tactics. He even had a few rules he could not substantiate, and I was able to turn to the relevant page and show him, that he was wrong. I gave him a poor score on the results sheet (fudged his moves to get an extra inch or 2 out of the move, argued about rules, did not explain which dice were for which weapons for a couple rolls.
I had even helped him out a couple times when he forgot to move or shot a unit before going to the next phase, and I allowed him to move it or shoot with the unit, and he said he did not need my help. A thoroughly most unpleasant game to play.
It was the last round in the tournament, and I was glad I beat him. It put me in third place, behind a very powerful Space Marine Army and the winner Orks led by Ghazghul run by my friend Rob C. whose army was not an overly powerful army. He did have 2 fliers, but they had to face my 2 hydras and Icarus Quad gun.
My other friend who played in the tournament Rhys who ran Daemons with CSM allies and only played for the first day because of work, told me my army was , for my standards, not a cheesy army. He also told me I played very tactically for a change. Rhys has a way of making me cancel my plans or tactics, splitting my force, and making it so I have to notice some nasty daemon units attacking me in the rear, or against a vital point I wanted to hold.
Grud on a Greenie, I can waffle on. :D
Anyway, how does everyone else handle people like my space wolf opponent who had a very cheesy army list, and try to win at all costs?
Can I get a ruling for the scenario I mentioned before with 3 units charging the Grey Hunters?
Thanks for any replies that solve my problem.
TDA, no silly trolling remarks now. LOL Except for the waffling thing. OK.