Eldar, SoB & 40k and Hobbit release list

[eldargal]

Games Workshop rumored release plan

281041230110209 Imperial Agents Enforcer with Heavy Stubber RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
284054630110202 Kroot Kroothawks RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
286010311080200 Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack PL a10 XianD 02 cc
286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
280002330140207 Sisters of Battle Canoness with Power Axe RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
280000111440201 Sisters of Battle Battle Sisters PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
280000411840206 Sisters of Battle Exorcist / Catafalque of Sins PL a18 Len_A 02 cc
281047530110208 Imperial Agents Obsideo Assassin RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
280002430140206 Sisters of Battle Prioress Lazarea Verata RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
280002230140208 Sisters of Battle Sister Superior Magdalenia RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
280000330740205 Sisters of Battle Repentia Squad RE b07 Len_A 02 cc
288023030140207 Harlequin Solitaire RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
283041230710209 Cabal Tarellian Cotor with Dragontongue RE b07 Len_B 02 cc
283041530110204 Cabal Alpha Psyker RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
282021211440203 Mechanicus Battle-Servitors / Khorne Caedes Engines PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
287018930140205 Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
285000030110204 Cypher RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
256145512010301 Tau Empire Nautilus Defence Platform PL a20 Len_B 03 cc
256146011840307 Tau Empire Mako PL a18 Len_A 03 cc
256145730740301 Commander Farsight RE b07 Len_A 03 cc
256146211440307 Tau Empire Vespid Stingwings / Vespid Spinewings PL a14 Len_A 03 cc
208263530941100 The Avatar of Khaine RE b09 Len_A 11 cc
208284511450206 Eldar Wraithguard / Cataphracts PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208284711550201 Eldar Sky Chariots / Shining Spears PL a15 Len_C 02 cc
208285011450208 Eldar Warpspiders / Everguard PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208285230150200 Eldar Black Warden RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208297830180402 Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister RE c01 XianD 04 cc
208281811450202 Eldar Eldritch Raiders PL a14 Len_C 02 cc
208282112050207 Eldar Webway Gate PL a20 Len_C 02 cc
208283411250206 Eldar Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper PL a12 Len_C 02 cc
208283512050200 Eldar Spirit Warrior PL a20 Len_C 02 cc
208283911550202 Eldar Dragon Riders PL a15 Len_C 02 cc
208286130150208 Eldar Fire Dragon Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286230150207 Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286330150206 Eldar Howling Banshee Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286430150205 Eldar Striking Scorpion Xentarch RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208286530150204 The Avatar of the Young King RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
206304411040306 Chaos Dark Chapel Upgrade Pack PL a10 Len_A 03 cc
206304711540308 Chaos Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 03 cc
206305211440303 Chaos Noise Marines PL a14 Len_A 03 cc
206304811440300 Chaos Thousand Sons PL a14 Len_A 03 cc
999030530110288 White Dwarf 5 RE c01 Len_B 02 pr
200462312010203 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Defence Wall PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
200462412010202 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Tower / Pillar of Heroes PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
200462512340209 Space Marine Astartes Battle Fortress Monastery PL a23 Len_A 02 cc
208281612050205 Eldar Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber PL a20 Len_C 02 cc
208283611550205 Eldar Jetbikes PL a15 Len_C 02 cc
208287930150207 Eldar Warlock with Force Staff RE c01 Len_C 02 cc
208288530950204 Eldar Swooping Hawks RE b09 Len_C 02 cc
200470512040203 Space Marine Land Avenger PL a20 Len_A 02 cc
200468512010203 Space Marine Praetor Warmachine PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
200465411540206 Space Marine Bike Squadron / Crusader Bike Squadron PL a15 Len_A 02 cc
200467830740205 Space Marine Skyshatter Cannon RE b07 Len_A 02 cc
200469630140209 Space Marine Terminator First Hand RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
200469230140203 Space Marine Librarian with Jump Pack RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
200462811440204 Space Marine Neophytes PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
200464511440201 Space Marine Techmarine with Artificer Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
200468011440204 Space Marine Sword Brethren / Nightflame Veteran Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
200472230140203 Space Marine Librarian Epistolary RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
200475630110203 Paladin Marshall Sieghelm RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
200470612040202 Space Marine Land Avenger Vulkan / Land Avenger Invictus PL a20 Len_A 02 cc
200470331080275 Space Marine Bionics Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li
200470231080276 Space Marine Defender Upgrade Pack RE a10 XianD 02 li
200471330110208 Iron Father Maalthun RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
200471730110204 Chapter Master Tu’Shan RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
200480130110202 Severus Agemman, Regent of Ultramar RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
200480630110207 Helveticus the Ancient, Bearer of Honour RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
201278911240205 Ork Warbuggy / Deff Racer PL a12 Len_A 02 cc
201281911240205 Ork Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk PL a12 Len_A 02 cc
201279011540202 Ork Deff Koptas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc
201286730140200 Wazzdakka Gutsmek RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
227162030941106 Dark Eldar Grotesque Squad RE b09 Len_A 11 cc
202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc
202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc
271074511840390 Bloodthirster PL a18 Len_A 03 186080111840398
271074611840399 Lord of Change PL a18 Len_A 03 186080211840397
271074811440399 Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies PL a14 Len_A 03 186080311440398
201281712010205 Ork Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
201279412010205 Ork Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
201283811440204 Ork Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
201279911440206 Ork Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
201285130140209 Ork Warphead RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
201283912010207 Ork Klan Fort PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
201284130740204 Ork Boar Squigs RE b07 Len_A 02 cc
201284430940212 Ork Squiggotaur RE b09 Len_A 02 mf
201283611540203 Ork Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas PL a15 Len_A 02 cc
201285230140208 Ork Painboy with Cleava Harness RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
201285630140204 Ork Grot Nurses RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
201286930140208 Gorbuzz ThreeEye RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
201287430140200 Gritlegg Maksmesh RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
201288330140208 Boss-Kommissa Grotzki RE c01 Len_A 02 cc
200461211440203 Space Marine Scouts with Astartes Grenade Launchers PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
200467911540205 Space Marine Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter PL a15 Len_A 02 cc
200465011440203 Space Marine Space Marine Tactical Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
200465512010202 Space Marine Land Raider Medusa PL a20 Len_B 02 cc
999030630110287 White Dwarf 6 RE c01 Len_B 02 pr
271081411840399 Great Unclean One PL a18 Len_A 03 186083311840397
271081511840398 Keeper of Secrets PL a18 Len_A 03 186083411840396

Note: does not contain re-releases, non-miniature products or the miniature range with codes below 2xxx
Note: contains only boxes that are currently NOT in mass production, expect release beginning in june 2013 at the earliest, the bulk of the releases for the first movie are done by then
Note: leaked before the announcement of the third movie, unknown if this is accounted for
Note: not every release has to be based on the movie, Games Workshop has released miniatures before that were omitted by PJ, like Glorfindel, Elladan & Elrohir, and so on
Just in casse you missed it, plastic kits for SoB.

If real? *faints*

Original listing here (http://pastebin.com/9EC3qw3b)

Faeit 212 (8-14-2012)

"The Leaked Release is Real"

"Those aren't product codes, they're image serials which are later used to print the boxes / blisters.

This gives the model names credibility, but not necessarily the dates.

GW Packaging is produced (graphically, not physically printed) for the most part, well in advance, to make sure that there's always room "last minute" if there are changes to codexes and a new model package is needed.

Bear in mind, that some instances of "produced" mean nothing more than an original photo of a model being photoshoped onto a new background and formatted for one of several standard dimensions. I'm not suggesting custom oil paintings done or anything.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

While that is awesome, you forgot to highlight these:


281049111440209 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Kill Team PL a14 Len_A 02 cc
281049230140202 Imperial Agents Deathwatch Librarian RE c01 Len_A 02 cc


I AM EXCITE!

EDIT: AND SO IS ARTOR! :D

[eldargal]

Note the two Avatars, the Avatar of Khaine and Avatar of the Young King. Interesting to see what happens there.

Also note the race specific terrain, lik the eldar Webway Portal and

256145512010301 Tau Empire Nautilus Defence Platform PL a20 Len_B 03 cc

There is an Orky thing too.

Also regarding the codes PL stands for plastic and RE for resin, one assumes.

[LostInTheDark]

If this is accurate then I'm going to have to get a second job or something :)

So many good things in that list I don't know where to start...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

If this is accurate then I'm going to have to get a second job or something :)

So many good things in that list I don't know where to start...

I know man, these are good times to be in.

[energongoodie]

O_O

This...is....awesome! So much great stuff the whole way down the list. I don't even know what most of it is but I still want it. Cool sounding Tau stuff, cool sounding marine stuff, cool sounding Eldar stuff.
.
You had me at Dragon riders......you had me ...at dragon riders.

[eldargal]

Oh!

There is a new Space Marine tactical; squad on there, too. About time, it needs a recut. Pity no Falcon grave tank for the same reason.

List by army/kit type:

Here's the list sorted according to armies and unit types:

SPACE MARINES, DARK ANGELS?, BLACK TEMPLARS
Severus Agemman, Regent of Ultramar
Helveticus the Ancient, Bearer of Honour
Chapter Master Tu’Shan
Iron Father Maalthun
Paladin Marshall Sieghelm
Librarian Epistolary
Librarian with Jump Pack
Terminator First Hand

Space Marine Tactical Squad
Neophytes
Sword Brethren / Nightflame Veteran Squad
Techmarine with Artificer Squad

Scouts with Astartes Grenade Launchers
Bike Squadron / Crusader Bike Squadron

Bionics Upgrade Pack
Defender Upgrade Pack

Skyshatter Cannon
Praetor Warmachine
Land Avenger
Land Avenger Vulkan / Land Avenger Invictus
Land Raider Medusa
Gale Claw Supremacy Fighter

Astartes Battle Fortress Defence Wall
Astartes Battle Fortress Tower / Pillar of Heroes
Astartes Battle Fortress Monastery

SISTERS OF BATTLE
Prioress Lazarea Verata
Sister Superior Magdalenia
Canoness with Power Axe

Battle Sisters
Seraphim / Patronica Squad
Repentia Squad

Exorcist / Catafalque

Deathwatch Librarian
Deathwatch Kill Team
Enforcer with Heavy Stubber
Obsideo Assassin

IMPERIAL GUARD
Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans
Imperial Guard Hydra

CHAOS SPACE MARINES
Cypher
Cabal Tarellian Cotor with Dragontongue
Cabal Alpha Psyker

Noise Marines
Thousand Sons
Chaos Bike Squadron
Mechanicus Battle-Servitors / Khorne Caedes Engines

Dark Chapel Upgrade Pack

CHAOS DAEMONS
Bloodthirster
Lord of Change
Great Unclean
Keeper of Secrets

Chaos Daemons Warp Stalkers / Chaos Furies

ORKS
Wazzdakka Gutsmek
Gorbuzz ThreeEye
Gritlegg Maksmesh
Boss-Kommissa Grotzki
Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain
Warphead
Painboy with Cleava Harness
Grot Nurses

Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz
Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks
Boar Squigs
Squiggotaur

Deff Koptas
Warbuggy / Deff Racer
Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk
Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas
Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha

Klan Fort
Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta

ELDAR
The Avatar of Khaine
The Avatar of the Young King
Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister
Harlequin Solitaire
Warlock with Force Staff
Fire Dragon Xentarch
Eldar Dire Avenger Xentarch
Howling Banshee Xentarch
Striking Scorpion Xentarch

Swooping Hawks
Wraithguard / Cataphracts
Sky Chariots / Shining Spears
Warpspiders / Everguard
Black Warden
Spirit Warrior
Dragon Riders

Jetbikes
Phoenix Lord Nuadhu, The Fireheart / Alean Vyper
Eldritch Raiders
Lamia Strike Fighter / Moon Siren Bomber
Webway Gate

DARK ELDAR
Grotesque Squad

TYRANIDS?
Cult Hybrid Upgrade Pack
Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend

TAU
Commander Farsight

Kroot Kroothawks
Vespid Stingwings / Vespid Spinewings

Nautilus Defence Platform
Mako

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Paladin Marshall Sieghelm

Awwwwwwh! What happened to Helbrecht?

[eldargal]

Et by SoB.

As nifty as all this, remember to maintain healthy scepticism! It wouldn't be the first highly involved, approximately authentic looking rumour we have had recently.

*cough*Leaked 6th edition rules*uncough*

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yes, I'm currently in the same condition as Mr Mystery. COPIOUS SALINE POISONING.

[DrLove42]

But JUNE!?

I can't wait that long. The Eldar wave smacks of a release wave (its big), whereas the Tau sounds more like a followup wave

[eldargal]

Well mid 2013 was the expected time for Eldar to arrive so that isn't new. But yes it does seem like Tau may be coming sooner than that with other kits not on this list.

[DrLove42]

Yeah...Junes fine cos it coincides with my 25th Birthday, so can get lots of nice presents :D

What interests me is theres a lot of Chaos stuff in this list, that i assume is from the new dex. But seems a long time to wait for a 2nd wave.

Also big waves of new stuff (like Orks) seems to suggest either they're getting a new one soon (which would be the first i've heard) or they're getting a WD addendum.

[MarneusCalgar]

Aggemman??? Ultramarines For the WIN!!!

If true...

[eldargal]

Harry has just come out in support of it in general terms, which is a big tick in the authentic box.


...
It all seems to fit in too well with what I know ... not to be right.

Someone is in so much trouble.


The release order I was expecting for 40K was:

CSM
Dark Angels
Tau
Sisters
Eldar
SM

(With 2nd waves and odds and sods thrown in)

[Mr Mystery]

SHENANIGANS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Product Codes are made up. All GW's product codes begin 5011921. None of these do.

Sorry to fart on people's Weetabix, but it's all made up.

[Eberk]

ORKS
Wazzdakka Gutsmek
Gorbuzz ThreeEye
Gritlegg Maksmesh
Boss-Kommissa Grotzki
Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain
Warphead
Painboy with Cleava Harness
Grot Nurses

Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz
Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks
Boar Squigs
Squiggotaur

Deff Koptas
Warbuggy / Deff Racer
Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk
Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas
Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha

Klan Fort
Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta


WOW... so many new Ork things...

Boar Squigs !!! Back to the old days, I like.
Squiggotaur !!! Sounds cool
Klan Fort !!! Ork scenery, nice

If only it could all be true...

[eldargal]

No offense Mr Mystery, but if Harry says it matches what he has heard I'm going with that over the precise nature of product codes.

Edit: Not sure you are correct either, I checked the spreadsheets of unit codes that were leaked before the last price rise and none of those product codes begin with 5011921.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's all just speculation until I can see a model.

[eldargal]

All rumours are just that, rumours, until we see models. But if Harry says it matches what he is hearing that is a pretty good indication the rumours are accurate.

[Mr Mystery]

No offense Mr Mystery, but if Harry says it matches what he has heard I'm going with that over the precise nature of product codes.

Edit: Not sure you are correct either, I checked the spreadsheets of unit codes that were leaked before the last price rise and none of those product codes begin with 5011921.

Still don't buy any of it. GW don't publish this stuff this far in advance. Which begs the question of where it's come from. Add in the product codes being clearly made up, and regardless of Harry's usual reliability and it's not looking at all good. Product codes are on the boxes. Seems unusual that they'd give out the numerical barcode instead....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't know who Harry is, and I certainly don't know if I should trust his judgement. :p

Remember, words are wind.

[Aldavaer]

Just checked on the GW website and none of the part codes I saw started 5011921.

[eldargal]

GW haven't published this, it has been leaked and as I said, there have been other, accurate leaks with codes other those beginning with 5011921.

Also the code on my copy of Codex: Necrons begins with 9781907.


He is one of the two more reliable rumourmongers currently on Warseer.

I don't know who Harry is, and I certainly don't know if I should trust his judgement. :p

Remember, words are wind.

As I've said, we have had some abnornally detailed hoaxes before and all rumours should be taken with a grain of salt. But at teh same time there is no reason to dismiss it out of hand (as there is with some rumours) either.

[Mr Mystery]

That's the barcode. When the tills break, or otherwise don't recognise the barcode, you enter the product code. Though zi do concede codecies have a different format ( Necrons is 60 03 01 10 002)

And not looking to be a knobber about this. I just dont believe it. Not trying to shout anyone down :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hmmm. I'll go with casual cynicism. Hahah.

I don't look at GW codes, I have enough stuff to do without doing that too. :D

[eldargal]

I know it is the barcode, I thought that was what you must have meant given that there are other product codes that do not match the format you gave whereas my Eldar codex does. You don't have to believe, I don't believe it either, I just consider it a valid rumour.:) But I don't consider something about product cods which seems highly variable to be reason enough to dismiss it. Given that these aren't even in productio nyet they may be some other kind of code.

That's the barcode. When the tills break, or otherwise don't recognise the barcode, you enter the product code. Though zi do concede codecies have a different format ( Necrons is 60 03 01 10 002)

Moving on. the product code on a box of VC Black Knights (not the barcode) is 99 12 02 07 018, and there is similar on my 25th anniversary figure. The barcodes still begin with the number you gave.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Why did you buy him? He's a Space Marine.

[Mr Mystery]

I know it is the barcode, I thought that was what you must have meant given that there are other product codes that do not match the format you gave whereas my Eldar codex does. You don't have to believe, I don't believe it either, I just consider it a valid rumour.:) But I don't consider something about product cods which seems highly variable to be reason enough to dismiss it. Given that these aren't even in productio nyet they may be some other kind of code.


Moving on. the product code on a box of VC Black Knights (not the barcode) is 99 12 02 07 018, and there is similar on my 25th anniversary figure. The barcodes still begin with the number you gave.

The other Eldar rumour states the models are boxed and waiting to ship, so the product codes would be set.

And for those wondering, I became familiar with the product code formats during manual stock takes :(

[eldargal]

True, but by the same token I have two product codes from things released this year that don't match the format you gave. So I maintain that it is insufficient to count as a strike against the validity of the rumour.:)

[Mr Mystery]

Hold on. Confused myself. Product codes for models start 99 (confirmed using VC batallion, and 25th Marine.

The bar code... Code fits the 50011921 thing. Apologies.

Looking at my old and new Ogre books ( this is the stuff I have to hand!) newer books seem to start their barcode.....code start 9781907. Old Ogre book fits the 5011921.... Their product codes start 60 03.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

True, but by the same token I have two product codes from things released this year that don't match the format you gave. So I maintain that it is insufficient to count as a strike against the validity of the rumour.:)

I fix. :D

[Mr Mystery]

Now there is of course nothing to say the codes presented are either product or bar code. But I'm struggling to think what they might be. Tills use the barcode for scanning. Product code used for manual entry, stock look up, stock check and stock replenishment. Which doesn't leave a lot of room for any other kind of code?

[eldargal]

It certainly is a bit of a mystery. I've mentioned it on Warseer in case anyone has some idea what it may be.

[Wildeybeast]

Still don't buy any of it. GW don't publish this stuff this far in advance. Which begs the question of where it's come from. Add in the product codes being clearly made up, and regardless of Harry's usual reliability and it's not looking at all good. Product codes are on the boxes. Seems unusual that they'd give out the numerical barcode instead....

I'm wondering why we have such a detailed release schedule for stuff being released in a years time, but nothing on stuff in between. If this is legit, the source must have access to equally detailed stuff from the intervening period.

Option A - it's made up bunkum.
Option B - GW's lock down on leaks only covers the 6 months or so either side of the Hobbit release (at WB's behest) and they have allowed this to slip out to generate some excitement.
Option C- as above but the leaker figures they will get into less trouble with GW if they do stuff outside the Hobbit lockdown window.

Thoughts?

[Mr Mystery]

BTW, not presenting myself as an authority on GW Product codes. Just comparing to available info.

[eldargal]

We have quite a bit of information on CSM which are coming next and a bit about Dark Angels which are coming after them. This is an unusual leak though, if it is accurate, to be sure.

[Defenestratus]

Ugh - this is going to be torture - waiting so long for so many new minis.

Lamia? What a lame name :P

The Eldar Lame Fighter.

Blah.

(Although Planetwister sounds like an awesome name)

[Zahariel]

Now there is of course nothing to say the codes presented are either product or bar code. But I'm struggling to think what they might be. Tills use the barcode for scanning. Product code used for manual entry, stock look up, stock check and stock replenishment. Which doesn't leave a lot of room for any other kind of code?

Could be any number of things:
Internal warehouse code for picking area.
Different dept's within company may have different codes. Companies that have been around a while tend to have lots of conflicting systems/methods (until a massive **** up comes along to make them look at what they're doing!)
In retail (outdoor Clothing+Equipment) brands such as The North Face will have barcodes for each colour of product in the workbooks that differ from Product Code and Barcode of said products to assist with ease of ordering specific items/colours etc.

And there's probably tons more reasons, so i'm leaning towards agreeing that the difference isn't enough to invalidate the rumour.

But i'm having sodium chloride with my lunch!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

There it is again! Why do you all use the phrase "invalidate a rumour", you can't invalidate speculation!

[eldargal]

Because this isn't speculation, this ia rumour. Speculation is someone saying 'I think we might see...' whereas this is someone actually telling us what GW are going to do. Not speculating.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ah, I didn't realise that he'd taken the Divination tree. Heheheh. :p

[Defenestratus]

Holy sh*t,

I just realized that the Harlequin Solitaire is on the list.

Those of you in 2nd edition will remember that the Solitaire was NOT to be taken lightly. In many ways he was more of a beast in close combat than the Avatar of Khaine.

[DrLove42]

*Slight glimmer of hope for Harlequin lists*

The Solitaire was originally in IA11 in one of the early versions, before some of the re-writes.

[eldargal]

I bolded it, nearly boosted the font size too but decided to go for subtlety.:p Really excited, as you say the Solitaire was a beast.

Oh and the list does include clampacks not just boxes. But perhaps not blisters. So no new classic Phoenix Lords (unless for some reason they count as blisters still). No plastic infantry Aspects either (yay!).

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Why are plastic aspects bad?

[eldargal]

They aren't necessarily. But each Aspect has its own unique aesthetic. The size and shape of armour plates are different, their positions are different, different helmets, different runes, different hair etc. By having plastic kits there is the risk that they will make them a dual kit to help reduce costs (one expensive mould per two apects vs wo expensive moulds) which would by necessity result in a dilution of the aesthetic of those Aspects.

I wouldn't have a problem with a plastic Howling Banshee kit for example, but a plastic Howling Banshee/Swooping Hawk kit would be a disaster as far as I'm concerned.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Ohhhhhhh.......... In that context I'd agree, but if they went like Dire Avengers then I would be okay with this! :D

[energongoodie]

Iron Father Maalthun.

That is all.

[Kyban]

My wallet will be so empty it won't even be able to cry if this list is true.

[Mr Mystery]

Could be any number of things:
Internal warehouse code for picking area.
Different dept's within company may have different codes. Companies that have been around a while tend to have lots of conflicting systems/methods (until a massive **** up comes along to make them look at what they're doing!)
In retail (outdoor Clothing+Equipment) brands such as The North Face will have barcodes for each colour of product in the workbooks that differ from Product Code and Barcode of said products to assist with ease of ordering specific items/colours etc.

And there's probably tons more reasons, so i'm leaning towards agreeing that the difference isn't enough to invalidate the rumour.

But i'm having sodium chloride with my lunch!

Product Code covers all that. The Stores have an automated stock replenishment system, using the product codes. Although I never did get my tour of the factoyr (on any of the three times I worked for GW!) it's my understanding the product code is used in the Warehouse and the Factory.

But not completely ruling out other codes being existant, I just can't think what they'd be for!

[Anggul]

Oh sweet mercy please be real. Genestealer Hybrids, Eldar, Deathwatch and Battle Sisters? I shall spill my blood for this cause if it is true!

[Kyban]

Hmm, a few of them look kind of suspicious, like:

286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
283041530110204 Cabal Alpha Psyker RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc

[Mr Mystery]

Hmm, a few of them look kind of suspicious, like:

286011130110208 Patriarch Dumas, The Veiled Fiend RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
283041530110204 Cabal Alpha Psyker RE c01 Len_B 02 cc
280000211440200 Sisters of Battle Seraphim / Patronica Squad PL a14 Len_A 02 cc

the list also seems a little busy. For the most part, well established armies get what, 6 or 7 kits tops per release?

[Kyban]

the list also seems a little busy. For the most part, well established armies get what, 6 or 7 kits tops per release?

Their supposed new release schedule experiment rumored that they had a whole bunch stocked up to be released in waves, so it could still be plausible but who knows... I hope it is true though, it looks like some seriously cool stuff.

[Kirsten]

if this list is true I am going to be a very poor lady for a very long time. plastic sisters of battle, more plastic marines, race specific terrain. I know people like to go on about excessive marine releases, but it is great to see something totally new, the tanks have been around for a long time with very little change, assuming the land avenger is a tank (sounds like a hippie super hero) would be great to see something knew in that category, maybe a praetor too if that is some sort of vehicle? I could see the sky shatter thingy being an AA artillery piece with a techmarine, but I may be wrong.

all these disparate elements like sisters and death watch would go well with the rumour of some sort of allies supplement next summer

[CajunMan]

If they really come out with that Sisters of Battle stuff I'll go to the nearest GW and yell SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!

[Alex Knight]

Oddly enough, my interests tend to lie more towards the Tolkeinesque.
There is *one* thing about this list that makes me a bit more skeptical... Where is the Fantasy stuff? Why would LotR/ Hobbit and 40K stuff be on the list yet absolutely no Fantasy?

That said -
Cult Hybrid and Patriarch? Cabal? For 40K I may just be a happy boy.

TURIN the DRAGONSLAYER? GW, take my money, please! And if you want to print more money, hows about a Glaurung and a Hurin as well? Aurë Entuluva!

See? Excitement. Which is why upcoming information is cool. Perhaps GW may learn from this. (Of course the other foot being a massive *****fest if the rumors are untrue, or if stuff is pushed back or otherwise not on time.)

[Mr Mystery]

Or if there are consequences written into a secrecy agreement with the considerably richer license holder??

[Mr.Pickelz]

I can't wait to see what the Solitare comes equipped with model wise. I'm also glad to see that Orks are getting some GW love instead of just FW. :D

[Kyban]

I can't wait to see what the Solitare comes equipped with model wise. I'm also glad to see that Orks are getting some GW love instead of just FW. :D

I feel like Orks have been doing pretty well with regards to GW love.

[da_WaaaghMaster]

assuming the land avenger is a tank (sounds like a hippie super hero)

That was hilarious.

Amped about the Ork Releases, and am stoked that Eldar and DE are BB so I can use some of those tasty new Eldar models in my army!

I gotta remain super-skeptical though. This seems quite robust for a GW release schedule.

[Inquisitor Nelson]

Personally, I'm unsure as to whether these rumours are true.

A thought that I did have, however, is that the codes might be for manufacturing, as the 'Len' that appears in a large number of codes could refer to the Games Workshop manufactuding plant in Lenton.

If these rumours are true, I'll be very hapy about the new Hobbit, Ork, Space Marine and Imperial releases.

CN

[Mud Duck]

Catafalque of Sins? Hum. I wonder what that is going to do/ look like? A rhino with a marble coffin on the back? I hope not, I hope for something a little more unique looking. Don't get me wrong, plastic Sisters! Huzzah! looks like maybe the flying nun is back, the Patronica Squad being a honor guard, maybe?

New Orks and Eldar as well.
Damn it GW! Just take my paycheck.

[Stepfan]

Oddly enough, my interests tend to lie more towards the Tolkeinesque.
There is *one* thing about this list that makes me a bit more skeptical... Where is the Fantasy stuff? Why would LotR/ Hobbit and 40K stuff be on the list yet absolutely no Fantasy?




Well perhaps GW has gone back to hating Fantasy.

[lattd]

They just released a bunch of fantasy finecast and this is for next june and doesnt really give us a finish point it could see some really busy few months.

[Lockark]

So let me get this stright. Right now lined up for orks we have:


Orks:
-Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain
-Ork Warbuggy / Deff Racer
-Ork Wartrakk Skorcha / Flakk Trakk
-Ork Deff Koptas
-Wazzdakka Gutsmek
-Ork Flying Fortress / Rokk Launcha
-Ork Gun Fortress / Mega Tellyporta
-Ork Flash Gitz / Tellyporta Nobz
-Ork Meganobz / Painboy Cyborks
-Ork Warphead
-Ork Klan Fort
-Ork Boar Squigs
-Ork Squiggotaur
-Ork Big Guns / Pulsa Launchas
-Ork Painboy with Cleava Harness
-Ork Grot Nurses
-Gorbuzz ThreeEye (new named charater?)
-Gritlegg Maksmesh (new named charater?)
-Boss-Kommissa Grotzki (new named charater?)

That is ALOT of new units up their. O___o

Are orks getting a new book soon?


Also some other things I noticed:
-Cabal Alpha Psyker
-Cabal Tarellian Cotor with Dragontongue

Who the heck are the Cabal?

Imperial Agents:
-Enforcer with Heavy Stubber
-Obsideo Assassin
-Deathwatch Kill Team
-Deathwatch Librarian

Imperial Agents? Just a new collector range or something?

-Mechanicus Battle-Servitors / Khorne Caedes Engines

What the heck is this combo kit meant for?

[stoksey]

I have been waiting for a plastic Hydra since the Forge World one came out back in the day.

Please let it be as good as the resin one.

(assuming this rumour is true of course)

New terrain is always good, there is no race specific terrain on a battlefield, only cover.

[da_WaaaghMaster]

Are orks getting a new book soon?


If this is legit, looks like they will be, sometime during/after June 2013. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for sooner rather than later! If these rumors are kosher, that is. :D

[Kyban]

If these rumors are all correct it would seem that they are quickly trying to bring all older codices up to 6th.

[Kirsten]

It looks like a lot, but then consider how many boxes come out per month, especially during a new book month. Also this list does seem to ring true with a lot of the rumours floating about, and Harry has at least broadly agreed it. If nothing else, it could be that the models may not be exactly correct, but the pattern could be right still.

[kammek]

Isn't one of the rumors that there is a Allies book coming for 40k which a lot of these releases fit into?

[wittdooley]

Correct me if I'm wrong...but I think the Cabal is like...THE CABAL from the Horus Heresy books.

They're a collection of races that are trying to steer the galaxy away from Chaos. We dont know a ton abou them at this point beyond the fact that they are all badasses. Well, maybe not the tiny guy that floats in the bubble.

But John Grammaticus certainly is.

[Bigred]

Its an interesting list.

You will note its the best type of rumor list; one that *could be true*. It has a lot of units that we have heard of from other rumors sources, like the Tau vehicles, and the Eldar ones which exactly match earlier rumors which came out over the last month.

Then you get things such as Sisters of Battle which sound very plausible and are said to be in the medium term of releases.

Then we get to the exotics such as the Solitaire, Genestealer Cults, Cypher, Kabal items and others that seem too good to be true.

Still, if the talk of mini-dexes being added that would only include small numbers of related units to be used as allies pans out - even these make sense.

-----------------

The real eyebrow raisers are the Hobbit items. Even in text only, they could be used to get an idea of what might be in the movie. That's the real security leak. If the list is real, someone internal to GW is going to be in real hot water.

[entendre_entendre]

"Land Avenger"? Sounds like the fabled tank that is 'halfway between the Land Raider and Rhino chassis' that has been hinted at for so long in the fluff. Just my speculation though.

"Land Raider Medusa"? Please don't be a Land Raider with a Medusa cannon on it, that'd just be ridiculous game-wise. >.<

Also, does this mean that Cypher is going to be back? :cool:

[Mr Mystery]

"Land Avenger"? Sounds like the fabled tank that is 'halfway between the Land Raider and Rhino chassis' that has been hinted at for so long in the fluff. Just my speculation though.

"Land Raider Medusa"? Please don't be a Land Raider with a Medusa cannon on it, that'd just be ridiculous game-wise. >.<

Also, does this mean that Cypher is going to be back? :cool:

Sadly I feel the above point to the rumour being no more than a wishlist. Sure, it appears to have incoporated other rumours, but to be honest there's just too much stuff on there for a 6 month release window.

[Wildcard]

- New land raider variant(s)
- Land Avenger (could this be the huge, non-transport astartes main heavy battle tank?)
- Praetor, new tank as well? Or walker / monstrous creature -type unit?

[gruubii]

Well what this means to me is, I will need to earn some cash, and get a lot more painting done.

[beyond the grave]

just when I thought that i had put my Sisters away for good....HA HA! FOOL YOU!!!! Did you really think we'd forget about you?

well...time to hold my breath and eat some salt for the next few months!

[eldargal]

Perhaps, but nothing on the list is really unknown. Even the Dwarf boar riders, Billy Connoly mentions he rides a boar in the film in an intereview. Perhaps if pictures were leaked Bew Line would be cranky, but just uncorroborated text? I'm not sure GW will be in too much trouble.


The real eyebrow raisers are the Hobbit items. Even in text only, they could be used to get an idea of what might be in the movie. That's the real security leak. If the list is real, someone internal to GW is going to be in real hot water.

Speaking as an Eldar player, there is nothing on that list bar flyers that appeared on any wish list thread I've ever read. Far, far too much out of teh blue but seems to fit with eldar extremely well. As one of the othe eldar obsessives on Warseer said, it has Jes Goodwin written all over it. I'm inclined to agree. Now this doesn't mean the rumours are real, but it isn't a wishlist. If it isn't ral than it is an extremely elaborate hoax put together but peopel who really know their eldar.

Sadly I feel the above point to the rumour being no more than a wishlist. Sure, it appears to have incoporated other rumours, but to be honest there's just too much stuff on there for a 6 month release window.

[Old Man Doom]

Yes! Stormtroopers and Veterans! Hydras too! Although, I am curious as to what an "Ironcloak" veteran is...
At first, the name evoked images of greatcoat troopers, but now I'm thinking of something more related to stealth or recon (i.e. "cloak"). It could also hint at a completely new unit entry via WD, like Daemons just had. Very, very exciting...

[TeDasCuen]

Hi All!.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I'm confused with the end code of each product. I have collected some variants:


c01 Len_A 02 cc
a14 Len_A 02 cc
a18 Len_A 02 cc
b07 Len_A 02 cc
a20 Len_B 03 cc
c01 Len_B 02 cc
c01 Len_B 02 pr
a20 Len_C 02 cc

a10 XianD 02 cc
c01 XianD 04 cc
a10 XianD 02 li

a14 Sou_A 02 cc
c01 Sou_A 02 cc
b09 Sou_A 02 cc
a20 Sou_A 02


Anyone know the meaning of these end codes?


Thanks in advance.

[Brusilov]

I really like this list and felt like a child in a candy shop, especially with all the things I see related to Orks, Sisters of Battle and Black Templars (apparently).

And then I read this list with more attention and something suddenly made a lot more sense, a rule that I think many people consider pretty dumb, like me : no charging out of a vehicle, unless it's open-topped or assault vehicle.

IMHO it's a GW plot to sell their new Rhino-sized assault vehicule, the mini Land Raider that some people have mentionned before (and that is mentionned in the fluff too). It's even got a name and variants : the Land Avenger, Land Avenger Vulkan and Land Avenger Invictus... Thanks Arkhan Land!

And it's probably going to have a Chaos version at some point...

Very smart, from a business perspective, as it forces people who play Marine assault armies (and there are quite a few) without jump packs to buy new vehicles for their army.

You've added nothing to the game when compared to the Rhino/Razorback with the previous rules (as IMHO the variants will trade transport capacity for firepower) but from a business perspective you're forcing people to spend money.

And maybe you can do the same with other armies with foot assault units, like the Eldar...

Maybe it's wishlisting, but that particular idea makes me think it's legit as it would be a good business practice to keep the Marine players (the majority of people playing 40k) spending their money on new stuff that fills a void in the new ruleset.

I would not underestimate GW's capacity to tailor rules in order to sell more minis, since as they themselves say they're a miniature company first...

Just my 2 cents... (goes back to drool over Ork, BT and SoB releases)

[da_WaaaghMaster]

Off topic sorry, but I suffer from intense nerd-rage when combining Peter Jackson with anything of Tolkien's.


Even the Dwarf boar riders, Billy Connoly mentions he rides a boar in the film in an intereview.

Is this true? God, Peter Jackson is going murder another Tolkien classic isn't he? Dwarf boar riders? I also saw Iron Hills Berzerkers in that list too I think. WTF?

Back on topic...sort of.

Too bad we'll never know if this list is true. The world is ending in just a few months! Seriously though, it was already mentioned before but I'll reitorate: There are no WHFB releases on here. Doesn't that make anyone more than a little skeptical?

[pauljc]

Hi All!.

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but I'm confused with the end code of each product. I have collected some variants:


c01 Len_A 02 cc
a14 Len_A 02 cc
a18 Len_A 02 cc
b07 Len_A 02 cc
a20 Len_B 03 cc
c01 Len_B 02 cc
c01 Len_B 02 pr
a20 Len_C 02 cc

a10 XianD 02 cc
c01 XianD 04 cc
a10 XianD 02 li

a14 Sou_A 02 cc
c01 Sou_A 02 cc
b09 Sou_A 02 cc
a20 Sou_A 02


Anyone know the meaning of these end codes?


Thanks in advance.

It's tempting to think of those as production facility codes, like say quarter A, 14th day, Lenton..

It's probably not, but it's a theory. It's been a long, long time since I worked at GW, and I can't remember those details anymore.

[Cap'nSmurfs]

Ooooh, fun!

I'm not expecially convinced by some of these things - but I'm willing to take it as a mix of the sort of things we should be expecting, some real things, and some pure wishlisting.

Some of the names are, again, really weird. ANCIENT HELVETICUS, GUARDIAN OF HONOUR! They stopped doing characters that were canonically dead a while ago, didn't they? About the same time they stopped their lust for killing them off (Lysander, Eldrad). Likewise surely Agemman isn't actually interesting enough to get a character. He doesn't do anything either Sicarius or Calgar don't.

But who even knows. I'm geared up for exciting times - and I would really love to see some awesome new Sisters and especially Eldar~

[Houghten]

It's tempting to think of those as production facility codes, like say quarter A, 14th day, Lenton..

It's probably not, but it's a theory. It's been a long, long time since I worked at GW, and I can't remember those details anymore.

They look almost like notes on who sculpted them.

[Kirsten]

There are no WHFB releases on here. Doesn't that make anyone more than a little skeptical?

It depends on where this information came from. There are any number of possibilities. Perhaps the 40k and Lord of the Rings lists were seen and he compiled them, maybe there is a warhammer release schedule list floating about that the source didn't get the opportunity to see. I am not saying the list is genuine, but if you were going to fake a release list, there would be some fantasy on it you would think, to avoid exactly that type of question.

as far as codes go, LEN could be Lenton, and a, b, and c, the injection mold machines to be used for each one. Xian could be a chinese facility for example. Is there any correlation between them? is all the terrain in one code for example? GW don't make everything themselves.

[Jared van Kell]

Some interesting releases on this leak (if it is a leak that is).

Not looking forward to the return of the Court of the Young King (shudders at the memory of it all those moons back in the Craftworld Eldar book) but from what information I have managed to ascertain it looks like it will be fielded in a similar fashion to the Court of the Archon in the Dark Eldar book with the Avatar of the Young King and one of each of the four Xentarchs. The Eldar player will then get to add additional Xentarchs as and how they choose. Expensive, in both terms of points and money, but I have a feeling it will be powerful.

Apply salt to taste.

JvK :cool:

[Chris*ta]

287018930140205 Freebooters Ogreen Kaptain RE c01 Len_A 02 cc

This one release will justify this entire rumour for me.

C'mon -- it's an ogryn that think's it's an ork!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I personally hope it is true. The possibility of having the Cabal in 40k would be awesome! loads of weird and interesting aliens. Some of which sound like they came right out of a Stapledon novel.

I love the rumours and possibilities of there being "allied contingents" in WD - would be exactly what I want from the game to the point I would question wheather GW have been using Psykers on me.

[Mr Mystery]

Another issue....the Ad Mech unit mixed in with Khorne as a single boxed set? Whilst not exactly impossible, that is a major departure from all previous releases, yet is noticable for being singular in this list. Dual kits do of course exist (and I love them!) but they've never been inter-army before. Not really sure of the financial sense in this.

So to recap, my concerns with the validity...

1. Crap tonne of units for each army. Bare in mind that when the Dark Eldar were re-released, they were done from the ground up. The Eldar releases, which are for a pre-existing army with relatively few tired looking models seem to be getting an awful lot of brand new units and resculpts....

2. No Fantasy stuff listed whatsoever. Yeah. I don't buy it. There'd be a Finecast wave at least.

3. Product Codes do not match up to known or current GW formats.

4. The name of the Eldar stuff. Nuadha is a Wild Rider Chieftain, NOT a Phoenix Lord. Even if the dude donned the suit, Nuadha ceases to be, becoming whatever the name of the Phoenix Lord actually is. Now fair enough, the earlier rumour could very easily be someone getting the wrong end of the stick. But I'd expect info taken from an apparent release schedule with product codes (assuming point 3 is erroneous, which it could be) to have the correct name, no?

Now as ever, none of these on their own are massive cause for alarm, but put them together and there are certainly many questions about the validity of this. As for the Hobbit stuff....there is a note saying 'not all of this is featured in the films' which it may well not be. BUT....whilst GW has released stuff from the Books, this was not untiil after the film in which they should have been featured had been out for a while (my memory is hazy, but I'm fairly sure Fog on the Barrowdowns was the first non-movie scene release, and was done after Return of the King? This was due to the additonal Tolkein Estates license (seperate from the movie completely) being granted/bought..... Seems a bit made up as well.

Sorry folks, but I really think we've been had.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Another issue....the Ad Mech unit mixed in with Khorne as a single boxed set? Whilst not exactly impossible, that is a major departure from all previous releases, yet is noticable for being singular in this list. Dual kits do of course exist (and I love them!) but they've never been inter-army before. Not really sure of the financial sense in this.

You make some fair points there, I don't personally mind if it is fake or not as long as it's fun to talk about - so as long as nobody gets their hopes up it shouldnt matter too much!

That said, to be fair GW have done a lot of strange things that we would of possibly discounted in the past such as those plastic fantasy heroes, Jokaero appearing in Grey Knights, and various fluff titbids which sounded absurd at the time (necrons and blood angels "teaming up" for example).

GW do seem to experiment with things occasionally, and I think with the new allies rules and WD being used more that we will definitly see some changes or things that previously would of had no chance of happening at all.

I could see a duel kit that is for two different factions working though (and im talking more about the actual sprue layout and such). As for financial sense, perhaps see it htis way : you have two new allied contingents in WD one for the imperium and one for chaos, your two biggest overall factions - you have one plastic kit that can be used for potentially 10 factions.

[Mr Mystery]

Still not convinced about it. And why limit it to a Khornate unit? General Chaos I could see as a possibility (few emblems, spikes, alternate heads and weapons, all doable) but Khorne is likewise self limiting. Many Chaos players are monotheistic in their choices....

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Still not convinced about it. And why limit it to a Khornate unit? General Chaos I could see as a possibility (few emblems, spikes, alternate heads and weapons, all doable) but Khorne is likewise self limiting. Many Chaos players are monotheistic in their choices....

Ah, i didn't think of that at all - you make a good point there. If I was doing a kit like that I would of made it straight mechanicus/dark mechanicus instead, covering two factions in one go. Khornate only does indeed make it sound a bit off I agree.

[lattd]

1. Crap tonne of units for each army. Bare in mind that when the Dark Eldar were re-released, they were done from the ground up. The Eldar releases, which are for a pre-existing army with relatively few tired looking models seem to be getting an awful lot of brand new units and resculpts....

4. The name of the Eldar stuff. Nuadha is a Wild Rider Chieftain, NOT a Phoenix Lord. Even if the dude donned the suit, Nuadha ceases to be, becoming whatever the name of the Phoenix Lord actually is. Now fair enough, the earlier rumour could very easily be someone getting the wrong end of the stick. But I'd expect info taken from an apparent release schedule with product codes (assuming point 3 is erroneous, which it could be) to have the correct name, no?

Point 1 - this is meant for atleast 6 months of releases, and when was the last time eldar got a brand new unit? i think their codex has the same units since 2nd edition.

Point 4 earlier rumors said that Nuadha was being changed to become the phoenix lord.

Remember this is sept from june 2013 so the Hobbit film would be out and possibly on DVD by then.

[Mr Mystery]

Point 1 - this is meant for atleast 6 months of releases, and when was the last time eldar got a brand new unit? i think their codex has the same units since 2nd edition.

Point 4 earlier rumors said that Nuadha was being changed to become the phoenix lord.

Remember this is sept from june 2013 so the Hobbit film would be out and possibly on DVD by then.

Nightspinner - April 2010 :p They are due additional units, if no other reason that they're well supplid with plastic units at the moment, and as mentioned none of them are showing age (well, apart from the Falcon chassis which is what, 15 or 16 years old now?) but this seems like a helluva lot of new stuff for an existing army. I know there's the rumour that GW have a 'warchest' of releases in the warehouse, but when was this sculpted, moulded and cast up? Releases haven't been a slouch recently (Necrons anyone, new fliers etc) and given the design studio has a finite amount of man hours, and to my (utterly non-insider by my own free admission!) knowledge, the design studio hasn't had a large expansion.

Nuadha as a character might well become a Phoenix Lord, but the Phoenix Lord is unlikely to be called Nuadha. Plus, this is an assumption that the existing Eldar rumours are also accurate. With reports of Exarch's changing to 'Xenarch's' I don't buy them completely either....

But hey, I'm a relaxed kind of guy and if proven wrong will gladly eat my words :p

[EldarWolf]

Did mention this to a GW Store Manager I know, all he said was "It's fairly accurate as far as it goes".

[Mr Mystery]

Did mention this to a GW Store Manager I know, all he said was "It's fairly accurate as far as it goes".

Store Managers don't get this stuff though.....

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Erazmus_M_Wattle on warseer posted this

"I've had word from the inside that the majority of the list is in fact total bobbins. This is in regard to the hobbit stuff in particular but for the majority of the 40k stuff in general. Take from that what you will."


http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?349410-HUGE-40k-(-amp-Hobbit)-release-list&p=6370032&viewfull=1#post6370032


So Mr Mystery might be right to be cautious with this one.

[Mr Mystery]

Yay! He even used bobbins! One of my favourite words!!! (no, it's not me. I'm banned from Warseer!)

[eldargal]

1) Its apparently the release list for two years (2013-15).
2) The absence of fantasy on th lsit doesn't mean an absence of fantasy releases, it could just mean the source didn't have the fantasy list or chose not to share it.
3) this is true but hardly conclusive. For all we know they are CAD image codes.
4) It is quite possible for an eldar to become a Phoenix Lord later in life, as in, become a new PL. The source of this list shows extremely detailed knowledge of both 40k and eldar fluff, making such an obvious mistake seems rather silly especially when it need not be a mistake. Not all Phoenix Lords date to the Fall, not all of them have Aspects and it is explicitly mentioned in one of the older citadel journals that there are hundreds of them.

None of this makes the list authentic, but none of it justification for dismissing it either. It's basically nitpicking.

Another issue....the Ad Mech unit mixed in with Khorne as a single boxed set? Whilst not exactly impossible, that is a major departure from all previous releases, yet is noticable for being singular in this list. Dual kits do of course exist (and I love them!) but they've never been inter-army before. Not really sure of the financial sense in this.

So to recap, my concerns with the validity...

1. Crap tonne of units for each army. Bare in mind that when the Dark Eldar were re-released, they were done from the ground up. The Eldar releases, which are for a pre-existing army with relatively few tired looking models seem to be getting an awful lot of brand new units and resculpts....

2. No Fantasy stuff listed whatsoever. Yeah. I don't buy it. There'd be a Finecast wave at least.

3. Product Codes do not match up to known or current GW formats.

4. The name of the Eldar stuff. Nuadha is a Wild Rider Chieftain, NOT a Phoenix Lord. Even if the dude donned the suit, Nuadha ceases to be, becoming whatever the name of the Phoenix Lord actually is. Now fair enough, the earlier rumour could very easily be someone getting the wrong end of the stick. But I'd expect info taken from an apparent release schedule with product codes (assuming point 3 is erroneous, which it could be) to have the correct name, no?

Now as ever, none of these on their own are massive cause for alarm, but put them together and there are certainly many questions about the validity of this. As for the Hobbit stuff....there is a note saying 'not all of this is featured in the films' which it may well not be. BUT....whilst GW has released stuff from the Books, this was not untiil after the film in which they should have been featured had been out for a while (my memory is hazy, but I'm fairly sure Fog on the Barrowdowns was the first non-movie scene release, and was done after Return of the King? This was due to the additonal Tolkein Estates license (seperate from the movie completely) being granted/bought..... Seems a bit made up as well.

Sorry folks, but I really think we've been had.

Harry and Stickmonkey say its good, Erazmus says its bad. He may be right, but its also worth noting that GW would be unlikely to admit it is real either. I don't feel that is particularly conclusive when you have two much more reliable rumourmongers saying it seems legit.

To quote Harry, if this is a hoax it is an extremely well informed hoax. Even Erazmus said not everything on the list would be fake even if it is a hoax. So lets wait and see, no point getting hopes up, equally silly dismissing it out of hand at this point.:)

[Kirsten]

Another issue....the Ad Mech unit mixed in with Khorne as a single boxed set? Whilst not exactly impossible, that is a major departure from all previous releases, yet is noticable for being singular in this list. Dual kits do of course exist (and I love them!) but they've never been inter-army before. Not really sure of the financial sense in this.


who says they are ad mech? could be dark mechanicus.

[Mr Mystery]

Just says Mechanicus.

As for Harry etc, I've had a look over his early posts (so may have missed later stuff, TL:DR) and he just says it chimes with what he knows, and then elaborates on the release schedule.

As for the lack of Fantasy, well the Warseer post says it came from a LotR Forum/Blog thingy, so I'd have expect anything not Hobbit related to have been weeded out.

Just too many concerns for me to take this seriously.

BTW, not sure why I keep defending my thought etc. As already mentioned I'm not looking to self aggrandise or owt. But please do take into account that I've been paid to be an argumentative sod for the past two years, and start a new job where I'm paid to be an informed, opinionated sod tomorrow. Apologies if anyone thinks my comments are just dickery!

[Kirsten]

exactly, so why assume it is ad mech? dark mechanicus already have a place in the chaos fluff with the amount of daemon engines knocking about, makes sense for a dark mechanicus skitarii box, I think it would be a really cool idea. I have no idea if the list is genuine or not, but I would say it seems like a good indication if nothing else. All of your arguments against it are unfounded, so not really sure why you are so determined to piss on everyone's chips. I don't mean that accusingly, I just wouldn't worry too much about what is or is not on the list, or how it is presented, I think it is a good indication of what might be coming, and that is all I am taking it as. I hope it is accurate, there is a lot on there I like, but then I know that I will like pretty much everything that comes along regardless, so I am not overly concerned.

[Mr Mystery]

If it said Dark Mechanicus, then fair enough. But it just says Mechanicus. That implies that it is 'loyalist' Ad Mech, rather than their naughty bretheren.

And I'm not really seeing how I'm raining on people's parades. I'm pointing out concerns which suggest at least some of the stuff on the list seems a little....odd. Suffice to say my concerns mean that I'm not buying into this. If you read through my concerns, feel it's storm in a tea cup then awesome. Not judging anyone for their opinion, just expressing mine.

[Kirsten]

I wouldn't say it implies anything, personally when I see mechanicus and khorne, dark mechanicus is to me the logical assumption. each point you raise has a valid counter argument, that is all I am saying, not sure why you keep coming back to express the same concerns, we get it :P either way it doesn't really matter, it is an exciting looking list to peruse and discuss, and if Harry says that Sisters of Battle are coming next year, then I am thrilled :)

[deaddice]

I myself am taking a pinch of salt with this 'leaked' release schedule but assuming it could be true ( happy dance).

One thing bugs me though about the Eldar list which is this Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister .

Could this be a Warp spider PL assuming the other guy Nuadhu is for shining spears ?

If so any chance it could be a female phoenix lord, after all female spiders are fair deadlier, they literally eat the males for breakfast.

Shame if it is not a new female phoenix lord, the warp widow would have been a impressive title.

( yes this entire reply was just an excuse to bring up a female spider phoenix lord :P)

[lattd]

I myself am taking a pinch of salt with this 'leaked' release schedule but assuming it could be true ( happy dance).

One thing bugs me though about the Eldar list which is this Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister .

Could this be a Warp spider PL assuming the other guy Nuadhu is for shining spears ?

Think that should be Plane twister as in different dimensions which would fit in with the warp spiders.

[eldargal]

A few people have mentioned their hope that it is a female PL on Warseer, fact is we don't know. I hope so too, 1 out of 8 Phoenix Lords is a bit annoying in a society that has no gender distinctions. There is also considerable that it is indeed hte PL of the Warp Spiders.:)

I myself am taking a pinch of salt with this 'leaked' release schedule but assuming it could be true ( happy dance).

One thing bugs me though about the Eldar list which is this Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister .

Could this be a Warp spider PL assuming the other guy Nuadhu is for shining spears ?

If so any chance it could be a female phoenix lord, after all female spiders are fair deadlier, they literally eat the males for breakfast.

Shame if it is not a new female phoenix lord, the warp widow would have been a impressive title.

( yes this entire reply was just an excuse to bring up a female spider phoenix lord :P)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I myself am taking a pinch of salt with this 'leaked' release schedule but assuming it could be true ( happy dance).

One thing bugs me though about the Eldar list which is this Phoenix Lord Kyme'doc, The Planetwister .

Could this be a Warp spider PL assuming the other guy Nuadhu is for shining spears ?

If so any chance it could be a female phoenix lord, after all female spiders are fair deadlier, they literally eat the males for breakfast.

Shame if it is not a new female phoenix lord, the warp widow would have been a impressive title.

( yes this entire reply was just an excuse to bring up a female spider phoenix lord :P)


Not all female spiders do that! mine didnt, after the deed was done with mr spider - she just went back to sleep in her tunnel. She is a bit special though.

And yes, it would be way more badass to have a female spider phoenix lord.

[eldargal]

My bullfrog is a bit like that, he is supposed to at least attempt to eat his mate after mating, but he just goes to sleep. Sometimes they try to eat him so he kicks them in the head until they stop and goes back to sleep.

Back on topic, I really do hope it is a girl, but regardless 'Plane Twister' is a particularly epic sounding title.:)

[ragnarcissist]

i just have this awful feeling that space wolves will never get anything new ever again.... : (

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

i just have this awful feeling that space wolves will never get anything new ever again.... : (

With the new focus on WD for rules - armies that havent had anything for a while may get some attention through the magazine.


My bullfrog is a bit like that, he is supposed to at least attempt to eat his mate after mating, but he just goes to sleep. Sometimes they try to eat him so he kicks them in the head until they stop and goes back to sleep.

Back on topic, I really do hope it is a girl, but regardless 'Plane Twister' is a particularly epic sounding title.:)

Makes me think of something that can manipulate dimensions, that would definitly appeal to me a lot.

p.s. lazy pets are the best XD

[eldargal]

Vovin on Warseer hs done quite an interesting analysis of the production codes:


I spend some hours to analyze the numerical codes in the list to find out if they are nonsensical or if there is a recognizable system behind them. Short answer: the code makes sense and isn’t very hard to decipher. Here’s what I have found out. Unfortunately, there are no release dates hidden in the codes. Basically the numerical code contains the same information as the affixes behind the product names plus the game system, the army and a four digit number. I do not know if these kinds of code make sense in a business environment and if they are commonly used. But from a mathematical standpoint, the numbers are consistent and not random at all.

First digit: game system
1 = Fantasy
2 = 40k
5 = Hobbit
9 = White Dwarf + Frodo + Turin, coincidentally miniatures with the pr affix

Second+third digit: army
00 = Space Marines or Dwarfs in the LotR system
and so on

71 = Daemons in 40k
86 = Daemons in Fantasy

The Adventures have the same codes as the armies, for example The Fall of Dale has the code 508 which stands for Hobbit + Grey Mountain Dragons, which makes sense because Dale was destroyed by dragons. But the entry is duplicated and has the code 506 = Humans as well. Dale was a human city. I dare say it is likely that adventure sets contain miniatures from more than one range, like mini starter-boxes. Some adventures have only one code and apparently belong only to a single range.

4th-7th digit: box number
I think these digits have to be interpreted as a single unique number from 0000 to 9999 for each release (together with digits 1-3). There are no releases with the exact same first seven digits. There are some code that only differentiate in a single of these digits (and the last, this is later explained), however, which let me believe that these digits are one entity.

There are huge gaps between some releases. They are not just counting continuously from 0000 to 9999. For example, one release has the number 2004625x and the next higher is 200428x instead of 2004626x. However, some items are grouped together without these gaps, for example the space marine fortress that consists of three boxes with the numbers 2004623x, 2004624x and 2004625x. There are more of these grouped entries.

The order of these numbers do not correlate with the order in which the items appear in the original list.

8th digit: material
This one is easy. Exactly every finecast release has a 3 at this position, every plastic release has a 1.

9th + 10th digit: box
a10 = 10
b07 = 07
and so on

11th digit: Len_X, Xian, Sou
Len_A= 4
Len_B= 1
Len_C= 5
XianD= 8
Sou= 7

12th + 13th digit:
these are the two digits that come before the cc column
02: This is the most common entry in these columns.
03: exactly the Tau, Chaos SM and Daemon (40k and fantasy codes) releases
11: Grotesques, Avatar of Khaine, Imperial Guard releases
04: only Phoenixlord Kymedoc
What’s so special about these products?

14th digit: cc
cc= 0
another product code = 9
li=7
pr=8
mf=1
I don’t know what this means. The majority of the releases has a cc entry here. Only the squiggotaur has mf. Only the 999 releases Frodo, Turin and the White Dwarves have pr. Gwethil and the two Space Marine upgrade packs have li. Someone else in this thread already stated that boxes that are released for two different armies have the other product code in this column.
I don’t understand why there are only two letter abbreviations in this column when it can clearly carry a much longer string.

15th digit: checksum
I am really proud of myself for deciphering this. Thanks to Halva at gw-fanworld.net for putting me on the right track.
This digit is a checksum that is used to make it easy for a machine to recognize if a wrong number is entered. This is used in almost every numerical code like EANs, bank account numbers, etc. There are many different methods. This code uses the most standard variant. Take every odd digit and every even digit multiplied by 3. Add all these number for the first 14 digits. Than choose the 15th so that if you add it to the sum, the total can be divided by 10 without fractions. See wikipedia for details, it is quite easy.
This method holds true for every single entry in this list! This cannot be coincidence. Either the one who faked the list has not only deep knowledge of both the hobbit and 40k, but also of mathematical verification methods or the list is genuine. In the end, this convinces me that the list is the real thing.

Questions:
Why are there gaps between the individual product numbers?
What does mf, li and pr mean?
What does column 12 & 13 mean?

It doesn't necessarily mean that they are real, but someone has gone to extreme lengths to make a product code system that works, not just making up random numbers that seem consistent.

[Chris*ta]

Vovin on Warseer hs done quite an interesting analysis of the production codes:

It doesn't necessarily mean that they are real, but someone has gone to extreme lengths to make a product code system that works, not just making up random numbers that seem consistent.

Yeah, it seems like a lot of work to go to for a hoax.

As for a more functional comment:
202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc
202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc

Yay, more IG! Plastic Stormtroopers!

Now all we need is the Thunderbolt there's been rumours about.

Damn, and the two mortar carriers. And the Medusa. And a bunch of new tanks when the new codex comes out. And greatcoat guard. And a rerelease of the Praetorians ...

[eldargal]

Quite, and while we recently had an elaborate hoax of the 6th ed ruleset, that at least was a functional ruleset which had a use beyond hoaxing. In this case someone has gone to incredible effort to make an extremely convincing list of releases and consistent product coding. That doesn't make it real, but it certainly argues against dismissing it out of hand.

[Chris*ta]

That 6th ed rules hoax was weird.

I'm still unsure if it was a ruleset from the design studio that did go out to the playtesters, or someone's homebrew system.

I seriously doubt it was invented purely as a hoax, it seemed like an awful lot of work to go to just for the lolz.

[Defenestratus]

Quite, and while we recently had an elaborate hoax of the 6th ed ruleset, that at least was a functional ruleset which had a use beyond hoaxing. In this case someone has gone to incredible effort to make an extremely convincing list of releases and consistent product coding. That doesn't make it real, but it certainly argues against dismissing it out of hand.

I'm 100% sure that Alessio didn't create that "leaked" 6th ed ruleset as a hoax.

[eldargal]

In which case this would be by far the most elaborate hoax we've ever been subjected to, if it is a hoax.:)

[Chris*ta]

I'm 100% sure that Alessio didn't create that "leaked" 6th ed ruleset as a hoax.

A very odd phrasing, either you have an inside source, and you're being very careful about precisely what you say, or you don't, and are just trying to seem mysterious on the internet ;)


In which case this would be by far the most elaborate hoax we've ever been subjected to, if it is a hoax.:)

Yeah, that's why I feel it can't be a hoax, or else it was posted as a hoax but didn't originally start that way, i.e. it was someone's homebrew rules they posted as a 6th ed leak as a hoax.

[Mr Mystery]

Yeah, it seems like a lot of work to go to for a hoax.

As for a more functional comment:
202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc
202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc

Yay, more IG! Plastic Stormtroopers!

Now all we need is the Thunderbolt there's been rumours about.

Damn, and the two mortar carriers. And the Medusa. And a bunch of new tanks when the new codex comes out. And greatcoat guard. And a rerelease of the Praetorians ...

The existing codes already do that, but also delineate Finecast, Metal and Plastic as the material.

[Chris*ta]

Yeah, it seems like a lot of work to go to for a hoax.

As for a more functional comment:
202321411411107 Imperial Guard Storm Troopers / Iron Cloak Veterans PL a14 Len_B 11 cc
202342311811101 Imperial Guard Hydra PL a18 Len_B 11 cc

Yay, more IG! Plastic Stormtroopers!

Now all we need is the Thunderbolt there's been rumours about.

Damn, and the two mortar carriers. And the Medusa. And a bunch of new tanks when the new codex comes out. And greatcoat guard. And a rerelease of the Praetorians ...


The existing codes already do that, but also delineate Finecast, Metal and Plastic as the material.

Sorry, Monsieur Mysterie, but I have no idea what you mean there ... did you mean the long quote that Eldar Gal had from Vovin from Warseer? Cos I can't work out what what you said had to do with my post :(

[Bigred]

Faeit 212's source says the list is real:


"Those aren't product codes, they're image serials which are later used to print the boxes / blisters.

This gives the model names credibility, but not necessarily the dates.

GW Packaging is produced (graphically, not physically printed) for the most part, well in advance, to make sure that there's always room "last minute" if there are changes to codexes and a new model package is needed.

Bear in mind, that some instances of "produced" mean nothing more than an original photo of a model being photoshoped onto a new background and formatted for one of several standard dimensions. I'm not suggesting custom oil paintings done or anything.

So to summarize:
All of those items are in the pipeline to get Imagery of some kind produced and formatted for the appropriate box/blister it will appear in. Like the Eldar from 2010 though (which still haven't seen the light of day), that in no way means much when it comes to release dates, beyond the vague promise of "sometime in the future."

[eldargal]

Yup, though the source does state these units are due for release starting in june 2013. What 2010 eldar is he referring to? Could be some of those sculpts are on this list. A number of the plastic kits we've had released this year are dated 2010.

[Chris*ta]

What 2010 eldar is he referring to?

Weren't there some new jetbikes photographed somewhere ages ago that haven't been released? I think there's some other stuff, but I can't think what ...


Yup, though the source does state these units are due for release starting in june 2013.

I was going to say "WHAT?! 2013?!". Then I remembered that is next year, not the year after :D

[eldargal]

The jetbike models have been around a lot longer than 2010.:)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

the packaging tidbit makes the rumour a lot more believable I think, it explains why not all stuff may be released or come out at all.

I have to say, I'm kinda curious to what would come out -before- this list, as it looks like those cabal minis are more along the lines of the DE special character/court type releases, so i wonder if there would be any other Cabal stuff out before those ones (basic troops for example).

[Defenestratus]

The jetbike models have been around a lot longer than 2010.:)

I think they're talking about the one showed off at a games day several years ago where the rider was in a forwards-inclined riding position that the DE Reavers ended up getting.

[Xenith]

I think they're talking about the one showed off at a games day several years ago where the rider was in a forwards-inclined riding position that the DE Reavers ended up getting.
I think that's the one she is talking about.

DE reavers already had that pose. That GD one was a Jes Goodwin kitbash.

[Bluesfart]

Assuming this list is accurate... Has no one else come to the conclusion yet that Black Templars will now be a vanilla SM chapter? That is what I've been suspecting for a while, but with this list only furthering that same belief.

In the main book, Black Templars got no love, but there were a lot of special rules that seemed written for them (crusader for instance). Now there are "crusader" bike squads, and new neophytes without any rumors of a new codex. It doesn't to me seem like enough new stuff for a full new launch anyway, but we are hearing rumors about Space Marines (which is bound to happen in the near future) along with a lot of other new vanilla models.

Space wolves have the big infantry squads, blood angels are thr close combat guys, are black templars just better suited as a crusader themed vanilla chapter?

[Senger285]

I think the gale claw supremacy fighter will be for sw

[flekkzo]

Space wolves have the big infantry squads, blood angels are thr close combat guys, are black templars just better suited as a crusader themed vanilla chapter?

I have no idea what GW is up to, but Black Templars is not a chapter and doesn't follow any of the codex. The two Angel chapters are far closer to the Ultramarines than the Templars ever should be.

I know, GW might punt on this one like they did with the sisters, but BT is a true chance to build a horde army with marines. 20 man squads. Interesting mixes of things. Lots of crusader themes. Absolutely no psykers. The Emperor's champion. Throw everything that is a static element out of the coded and make it CC move forward army.

I rather they bring in DA in the vanilla codex (and make them the poster boys) than kill BT.

[Galadren]

Shame Phil Kelly told multiple people at Games Day that Black Templars were absolutely not being rolled into vanilla SM and were keeping their own codex.


Assuming this list is accurate... Has no one else come to the conclusion yet that Black Templars will now be a vanilla SM chapter? That is what I've been suspecting for a while, but with this list only furthering that same belief.

In the main book, Black Templars got no love, but there were a lot of special rules that seemed written for them (crusader for instance). Now there are "crusader" bike squads, and new neophytes without any rumors of a new codex. It doesn't to me seem like enough new stuff for a full new launch anyway, but we are hearing rumors about Space Marines (which is bound to happen in the near future) along with a lot of other new vanilla models.

Space wolves have the big infantry squads, blood angels are thr close combat guys, are black templars just better suited as a crusader themed vanilla chapter?

[eldargal]

Not to mention hte fact we have heard repeatedly from people at Games Days over years that no armies would be being dropped from the line-up. While it could make sense toreduce the amount of Marine codices it isn't going to happen so let's not start debating that again.:)

[AchillesXXI]

I agree that the codes RE and PL mean the material, and LEN_A, B, C etc.. refer to the production line.

About the rest of the unknown references:

- The final code is numeric (a number) in the case of the deamons miniatures. For the rest of codes we find pr to refer the white dwarf what could mean prize or premium referring to the miniature for the subscribers. li could refer to a limited edition production and it's only produced at the line at XianD. mf could be a fair miniature for the main fair at UK. Finally we havecc what seems to be the common miniatures for sale.

- The code with a letter and two numbers. After analysing the codes with the help of an Excel seems to have sens that this refers to the pricelist code. All the resin miniatures have the codes c01 probably for the blisters, b07 and b09 for the boxes (finecast boxes).
The plastic have the codes with the aXX. What seems to be the bigger have the a2X (specially the fortress a23 and the medium a variety of a1X, that seems to feed with the actual box sizes and prices.
The a14 and a15 seems to be the standard troop box price.
The single reference in plastic which is no a is the Dark Eldar Grotesque that is a b09 (according what I was telling would be the highest b level price).

CSM, Tau and Deamons are 03, IG, DE and a couple of Eldar are 11 and 04. The rest is 02 (this means sisters, SM, Imperial agents, DE, Eldar, Ork, and White Dwarf.

About the release dates,... if we take the consideration of that White Dwarf entries as the miniatures launching for the subscribers we don't have the release dates but we can have an idea of the "months" remaing for the release time, or what it is the same, we know if this will be launched 2012, 2013,...

Enjoy and I hope this helps. ;)

[eldargal]

Saw these in the flesh today - I was really impressed especially by the cultists, everything details wise I saw was sculpted on rather than being painted on. Also saw the release list for hte next year - a big Ork wave with the long awaited Buggies and Koptas as well as plastic Meganobz/Flashgitz!! Eldar as well with a whole plethora of stuff..but my source said expect those nxt year.
The first part of the post is referring to the 6th ed starter set. The rest is more evidence for the rumoured Ork wave and eldar release in 2013.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Cool! :D

[DrLove42]

New Eldar stuff! yay!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

New Eldar stuff! yay!

Now you can stop fragging moaning! :3

[DrLove42]

Nit until we get a good rule book!

The Eldar models are all gorgeous, especially some of the FW stuff.

Its just the rules that suck on them

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

*red face*

NOPE!
Not getting into this again.

*walks away*

[Defenestratus]

*red face*

NOPE!
Not getting into this again.

*walks away*

TDA,

You just have to realize that DrLove, EG and I are going to gang up on the Eldar pity party any time it happens. Its like the sun rising in the east and setting in the west. Us eldar players will always feel jilted by the scraps that GW feeds us.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Sorry, I can't hear you over how awesome my green power armour is. :D

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ds66O6hC2e4/Trv0zq55UOI/AAAAAAAADEg/g-C7r78rhWA/s400/dasmall.jpg

[DrLove42]

One day we will get a new dex. Then the world will shake in fear of our power and worship the sculpts produced.

Then and only then do Eldar players have permission to stop complaining :P

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You have my permission right now.

[Bluesfart]

Not to mention hte fact we have heard repeatedly from people at Games Days over years that no armies would be being dropped from the line-up. While it could make sense toreduce the amount of Marine codices it isn't going to happen so let's not start debating that again.:)

Ah, thank goodness. That sounds like we can assume that also means no consolodating armies into a single book either (crosses fingers).

carry on then...

[eldargal]

To clarify....

Books.

CSM
WoC
DoC
Chaos Daemons

All will be realeased within 4-5 months of the CSM codex hitting (sep afaik)

Allied contingents rumour - cack
This release list leak - also cack (to the best of my knowledge ;) ) for example the tau on that list aren't the tau that are getting released.

Sorry to piss on everyone's collective chips :(

Very soon ALL releases will complete army entries within 2 waves (and maybe a splash release of characters in finecrap) so look out for your favourite armies getting updated and actually being able to physically field every model from that book within 6-8 months of release. Necrons are the first example of this :)

So, a bit of cold water from Hastings. However, we still have Stickmonkey and Harry saying they have heard things from that list, and as the first wave of Tau are coming prior to it Hastings statd caveat about it needn't be a huge blow to it. Having said that Hastings is usually spot on.

As always, need to wait and see.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Well, that's not reassuring.... But not entirely unexpected.

[eldargal]

Nope, rumours are fickle. Oh it should also be noted that the allies contingent rumours were speculation based on the list, not actual rumours from the same source.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I wasn't even aware of allied contingent rumours. :p

*failed perception test*