GK?

[joescalise]

so what gene seed do the GK use, some people say because the end of flight of the enistein they may have started with Death Guard. Some say the Emperor, but that cant be true, because the custodes use that and they are bigger then a SM. So what are your thoughts.

[Wildeybeast]

If you pick up the Garro audio dramas, he is going round recruiting a team of marines from various chapters, including surviving loyalists from the traitor legions, these guys form the beginning of the GK. As to what geneseed they use today though (or even how they recruit), I'm honestly not sure. Someone with the GK codex might be able to enlighten us on that.

[Cpt Codpiece]

all geneseed is from the emperor, via the primarchs.... they are his gene sons.

the custodes are not direct emp geneseed, they simply do not have the genecoding to make them subservant like standard marines do...... interestingly GK donot have this gene neither, though to say they are the new custodes, would be wrong i think.

while the GK were founded with the agents built by malcador through garro, so that is DG, UM (psycher), WE and LW. all have unique Geneseed that may have gone to make the GK...... however it seems that malcador and the emperor had the founding of them planned ahead of time..... titan was cloaked for some time (possibly when mars was conquered..... all hail the omnisiah), the weapons and armour were already forged ready for the marines to get them when they were complete.

the novitiates were also picked out ready for training by the founders (see above), garro was resillient to nurgles touch, varren while still a psycho was still able to think and act with clarity, rubio while not a traitor....turned against his oath infront of his own men but understood what his powers could do for good and bad, loken was loyal, always even in madness he was loyal to his oaths ever able to see the taint within a man (as he always could, if you read the opening trilogy).

all of the above really do sound like the qualities of a GK trooper, be they gene based or trained.

i think we will find out a little more when the next audio drama comes out in a month or two, the cover of that one has a whitescar on as well as an iron hand (if i remember right)

im pretty sure the dex mentions new novitiates are picked from the black ships and by inquisitors in the know, and then screened and 1 or 2 in 10.000 pass the test to become a GK

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

Custodes don't have geneseed - they're enhanced in a different way. The breakthrough with a geneseed was that it could make super soldiers more quickly, even if they're not as effective. It's the difference between fast-food and home cooking.

Grey Knight Geneseed is noted to not be any previously existing Geneseed and "carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." Just because the first Grand Master was Death Guard doesn't mean that their geneseed is Death Guard.

[gendoikari87]

Custodes don't have geneseed - they're enhanced in a different way. The breakthrough with a geneseed was that it could make super soldiers more quickly, even if they're not as effective. It's the difference between fast-food and home cooking.

Grey Knight Geneseed is noted to not be any previously existing Geneseed and "carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." Just because the first Grand Master was Death Guard doesn't mean that their geneseed is Death Guard.

So the imperial guard is ramen then?

[joescalise]

Custodes don't have geneseed - they're enhanced in a different way. The breakthrough with a geneseed was that it could make super soldiers more quickly, even if they're not as effective. It's the difference between fast-food and home cooking.

Grey Knight Geneseed is noted to not be any previously existing Geneseed and "carried the gift of the Emperor's own flesh and soul." Just because the first Grand Master was Death Guard doesn't mean that their geneseed is Death Guard.


great answer

[Cpt Codpiece]

the custodes are still gene modded, which would indicate similar zygote tech would be used to create them. it is only the progenoid gland that should differ in custodes.

so they do have gene implants, just not the same ones as a marine would, it is not a case of "we need the organs to replicate more". it is rather a case of "we implant these organs to create the warriors body". similar to how the primarchs are diferent to the legions.

so in this case geneseed is not the best word to use, rather they have similar zygotes to marines.

now its a different story to say that GK have the GS of the founding GKs, but acceptable that some of the genes contained in their zygotes may have been used along with the pure sample from the emperor to create the GK. but highly doubtful given that malcador had the genetech in place on titan.

[Animus Silvanna]

This is my first post ever so ill make it best as I can. I have played Grey Knights since before they had a codex. I Like to think i know more about their lore then anyone lol. In either case I'm sure I could be proven wrong BUT, The Grey Knights gene-seed did in fact come from the Emperor. 1 I sight that in the codex Grey Knights they refer to it in the origins history its not crystal clear but its there. 2 Having just read "Emperors Gift" which is very nicely written by Mr. ADB and about the Grey Knights, it sheds even more light that the Emperors Gift is his seed and what makes them UN-corruptible. More or less. They are also hand picked from other worlds and even particularly the Black ships that feed psykers to the Golden throne. I recommend the book it starts from the initiates point of view

[fuzzbuket]

i think in the 3rd ed dex it was VERY strongly hinted that whilst the SM are from primarchs the GK use the emperors own geenseed themselves.

however in the 5th ed dex i got the feeling that it was a modified geneseed from malcador that make the GK (although malcador is a normal human im sure the throne and being close to the emperor will have done something)

[bfmusashi]

1. Custodes do not use gene-seed at all. They are modified in a more time consuming and expensive manner (whatever that is).
2. 3rd ed book says 'they are unique as their gene seed is said to come from the Emperor own flesh' p6. It's a rumor. In the Wardian 'dex the gene seed is just sitting there on Titan waiting for the first 8 Grand Masters. There's also mention of an Emperor's gift to the Grey Knights that's spoken of like it's separate from the gene seed yet physical in nature p6-7.