A Games Workshop puritan and proud of it

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hello everyone,

I'm here to make a confession, I only play Games Workshop produced games.
Now this will affect people in one of two ways:
1. They will regard me as shallow-minded and say that I am a bad man for only supporting Games Workshop
2. They won't care, may agree with me on some points, and get on with their lives

Either way. I love Games Workshop; I love it as a business model, I love it as a hobby.
It gives me a smug sense of self-satisfaction whenever someone insults another product, because simply, I don't view any company as an equal to them. Not Privateer Press, and not Mantic.

Sure, Games Workshop makes mistakes, as does anyone. Sometimes I feel mild disappointment with their policies and pricing, but dammit man I loves me some plastic crack. Games Workshop's evolution in design is something that I look forward to with every new release - they haven't released anything in YEARS that I haven't liked. They're even doing good females now! :eek:

Call me what you will, but I'm proud of my hobby and the company that makes it - thank you Games Workshop!

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I trend a middle ground with my love for the Games Workshop... I don't like some things they do, mainly on the grounds of fluff, but I still enjoy every aspect of the game :).

Btw your suggestion that you, 'I dont view any company as an equal to them', is common in religious groups... Rejecting their knowledge claims! So I am seeing more evidence of your puritanism! I wonder how much hate will happen on this thread :L

[eldargal]

There is nothing wrong with that (despite what Warmachine/Mantic/Whomever fanboys will have you believe), so long as you don't start putting down other companies products. Which I have never seen you do.:)

For my part I mostly play GW games, exceptions being Cutlass! (which we actually use in the WFB setting) and Dystopian Wars. But I use a lot of figures from other companies as well, at least in WFB. Not so much 40k where I only have a few CHS Eldar because that is pretty much all there is.

[gcsmith]

There is nothing wrong with that (despite what Warmachine/Mantic/Whomever fanboys will have you believe), so long as you don't start putting down other companies products. Which I have never seen you do.:)

For my part I mostly play GW games, exceptions being Cutlass! (which we actually use in the WFB setting) and Dystopian Wars.

Im a similar way to to the OP, don't play non GW games. but out of neccesity than choice per se, only hobby store nearby is GW so can only play their games.

[DrLove42]

Yep, I'm a GW exclusive owner as well. (assuming we don't start counting card games - and i'm not talking about Magic - Munchkin FTW!)

In my eyes they produce a great rule set despite what everyone else says and without a doubt produce the BEST looking models on the market.

In my experience its often people who play other games that ***** and insult at GW, rather than GW players doing it against other games

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I couldn't care less! In fact, I welcome the rage! :D

My statement is in fact backed up.
- No one has an established background like them
- No one produces the quantity and diversity of product like them
- They are a great foothold hobby, they introduce people into wargaming
- They turn over a proportionally greater sum of money each year than any other wargaming company (look it up yourself!)
- They are spread worldwide

[DrLove42]

Not to mention that no other company has their store and hobby centre empire, and if they did people would be *****ing about their prices even more....

[eldargal]

Agreed up to a point. For scifi there are simply no other companies out there producing such large numbers of beautiful models primarily in multi-part plastic. GW are No. 1. But there are a lot of great fantasy miniature companies out there producing characters and in some cases units (AoW, Raging Heroes) of similar quality. There is also Mantic.


In my eyes they produce a great rule set despite what everyone else says and without a doubt produce the BEST looking models on the market.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Don't get me started on Mantic, all my rage about that company is centred on one juvenile person.

Good point Dr Love! :D

Also, wait a minute, people are agreeing with me? da fuq? :p

[fuzzbuket]

GW has great stores and great staff. can you walk into a random PP store* and find a eldar craftworld table (or equivilant)

*if the existed

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

GW has great stores and great staff. can you walk into a random PP store* and find a eldar craftworld table (or equivilant)

*if the existed

Ooooooo! Sick burn. :D

Totally agree, my local Games Workshop manager is also a great friend to me, one of the funniest guys that I've ever met.

[addamsfamily36]

Don't get me started on Mantic, all my rage about that company is centred on one juvenile person.

Good point Dr Love!

Also, wait a minute, people are agreeing with me? da fuq?

it is your time to shine!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Yey! I'm the chosen one! :D

[Monkey Tom]

I'm the same. I'm definitely a GW puritan. It's not that I don't like the other games companies, it's more that they just don't do it for me. I just prefer GW.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm the same. I'm definitely a GW puritan. It's not that I don't like the other games companies, it's more that they just don't do it for me. I just prefer GW.

There's also the fact that I simply don't wish to throw money at more than one company. I don't have a ton of dollar to give EACH wargaming company.

[Psychosplodge]

There's also the fact that I simply don't wish to throw money at more than one company. I don't have a ton of dollar to give EACH wargaming company.
I think this is the biggest reason I stayed with GW when I still played.
Nowadays I don't play (a combination of apathy and those I used to game with moving geopgraphicly/systems) but still love the models and universe, hence spend time reading the books, and when I can be arsed painting. Luckily with not playing anymore I can just pick and choose what I want to paint to buy, but considering the back log i've got I haven't had to buy a model in years..

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It's mainly other company's fans that I despise.

[antennafarm]

GW isn't perfect, but i think they make the best game. base rules are good, armies vary (although i've liked every 5th edition codex, with some MINOR exceptions/headscratchers within the codexes... but you can't win'em all)

honestly, i like their release schedule because it produces a constantly shifting meta, which is cool, although i doubt they intend it 'like that' (more a scheduling to keep people buying.. which, i guess, is fine.. i'm an adult and am in control of my wallet).

my only change to their 'model' would be to pull back on the SM codexes... release one (SM), and then either white dwarf 'mod codexes,' or a book of 'SM chapters' ... follow suit for eldar craftworlds/exodites, tau septs, tyranid hive fleets... how sick would it be if every white dwarf had a 'newish' army (new take on an old one)? hell to playtest, though.

[Denzark]

TDA - I am but by default. I have tried other games, but didn't enjoy so much. And with 22 years and thousands of pounds of stuff, I need painting time more than I need diversity...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

TDA - I am but by default. I have tried other games, but didn't enjoy so much. And with 22 years and thousands of pounds of stuff, I need painting time more than I need diversity...

Hit the nail on the head with me, I wish I had more time to paint stuff.

I also love the aesthetic of GW's stuff. Warmachine possesses no tanks, and therefore is full of fail. Tanks are awesome.

[mordiano]

Id recommend giving warmachine a look though.

I´ve played GW-only for 22 years and now I´ve added them to the mix.

Particularly check out the "warcaster" and "solo" categories for that one model you like ;)

The gameplay allows for greater controll of your dudes with the mana system, while modeling for an advantage is removed and tweaking armylists is minimised.

How the game plays:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjGUZLh1Nq0

Now they have summer-sale bundles also that include a rulebook: after reading 10 pages of fluff you are already up to speed!!


Man I never thought I´d be the one writing this....

chers

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Hah. I like reading, this is why I have a book case the size of a wall.

I tried to play Warmachine a while back and found it rather... lacking. Specifically in the tank department. I like artillery, I like big guns.

The only race I'd play in Warmachine are the Retribution, and from what I understand they are massively expensive.

[wittdooley]

Now they have summer-sale bundles also that include a rulebook: after reading 10 pages of fluff you are already up to speed!!


chers


Listen, I enjoy Warmahordes. It's a solid game. but reading 10 pages will NOT get you up to snuff on the fluff in this game. Honestly, to get the full spectrum of the fluff, you need at least four books, (Mark II, Your Army Book, Wrath/Dominiation, Colossals/Gargantuans). If you're lucky, none of the fluff for your army is fleshed out in any of the old rulebooks or in out of print No Quarters.

As far as GW goes; they're certainly my primary. I have a special obsession with our grim dark future, but I certainly allow other minis into my collection (perhaps too often :D )

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I couldn't live without regular intervals of grimdark.

[Psychosplodge]

What I regret is not just staying single brand but not staying single army, I'd have had an entire chapter by now if it wasn't for all the cool stuff available...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I nearly have a Chapter. :p

[Psychosplodge]

I have the best part of a couple of companies... but then I got distracted by taus, nids, sisters, guard, and wh chaos...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I only do my Storm Wardens and the Necrons. :/

[bfmusashi]

To be fair, I've never seen a sweet table at a US Games Workshop, so imagine my surprise when I walked into one in Manchester and saw a full blown Helm's Deep and a Lustrian Temple that took two tables. It was pretty rad.
I don't see why you not liking the things I like is an issue. I like steam powered robots and guys that shoot magic guns at pirates and horror movie villains. I really like the setting, I don't much care for the game.* I kind of wish I could field an all big robot army in a GW game, but alas, no such luck. My one beef with GW is the lack of pirate hats. Don't get me wrong, when they do them they're super fun (here's looking at you Badruk) I just need more.


*When all the missions can be won by killing the other warcaster it kind of kills any strategy beyond 'how do I kill the other warcaster.'

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I've got a virtually all-Dreadnought army. :D

[wittdooley]

The Battle Bunker in Chicago (Lombard) has some INCREDIBLE tables. There's one there that is an entire Ork Scrap Junkyard. Amazing.

Between Wolves, Angels, and Nilla Marines, I definitely have a few full companies. But that's spread over three Maweenies. I had the notion to do a full Salamanders company with armoury, but then a terminator here and there got sacrificed for something else.

Now I've changed pace; each of the special characters that exist for the Marines have an 'honour guard/retinue" to go with them. So I have a squad of Terminators for Lysander, a squad of Vanguard Vets for Shrike, etc...

[bfmusashi]

I demand all dreadnoughts! I had high hopes when that Forge World Eldar dread was a psyker HQ only to be dashed when the rules said it couldn't be your only HQ :(

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Now I've changed pace; each of the special characters that exist for the Marines have an 'honour guard/retinue" to go with them. So I have a squad of Terminators for Lysander, a squad of Vanguard Vets for Shrike, etc...

Awesome! That sounds like a cool idea!

We've got an Imperial City somewhere, awesome board.
There was also a Dam board, I wish I knew how they did the water.

[Psychosplodge]

That sounds awesome...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Our boards?

[Psychosplodge]

no it was intended about the dreadnought army, but also yes the boards lol

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It looks awesome on the table. So many Dreadnoughts. xD
May revisit it shortly, if the rumours of the FOC doubling are true.

[MarneusCalgar]

Hello everyone,

I'm here to make a confession, I only play Games Workshop produced games.
Now this will affect people in one of two ways:
1. They will regard me as shallow-minded and say that I am a bad man for only supporting Games Workshop
2. They won't care, may agree with me on some points, and get on with their lives

Either way. I love Games Workshop; I love it as a business model, I love it as a hobby.
It gives me a smug sense of self-satisfaction whenever someone insults another product, because simply, I don't view any company as an equal to them. Not Privateer Press, and not Mantic.

Sure, Games Workshop makes mistakes, as does anyone. Sometimes I feel mild disappointment with their policies and pricing, but dammit man I loves me some plastic crack. Games Workshop's evolution in design is something that I look forward to with every new release - they haven't released anything in YEARS that I haven't liked. They're even doing good females now! :eek:

Call me what you will, but I'm proud of my hobby and the company that makes it - thank you Games Workshop!

100% agree with you.

I always feel uncomfortable in so many ways when I say I love GW games... nowadays it seems that if you don´t toss on them in forums or blogs they insult you as a fanboy...

[Chris Copeland]

Hello everyone,

I'm here to make a confession, I only use Apple computers.
Now this will affect people in one of two ways:
1. They will regard me as shallow-minded and say that I am a bad man for only supporting Apple.
2. They won't care, may agree with me on some points, and get on with their lives

Either way. I love Apple; I love it as a business model, I love it as a hobby.
It gives me a smug sense of self-satisfaction whenever someone insults another product, because simply, I don't view any company as an equal to them. Not Windows, and not Linux.

Sure, Apple makes mistakes, as does anyone. Sometimes I feel mild disappointment with their policies and pricing, but dammit man I loves me some plastic crack. Apple's evolution in design is something that I look forward to with every new release - they haven't released anything in YEARS that I haven't liked. They're even doing good movie streaming now! :eek:

Call me what you will, but I'm proud of my hobby and the company that makes it - thank you Apple!Wow. You sound JUST like me! Change out Games Workshop for Apple and I could have written the OP! :p

Cope

[Mr Mystery]

I too am a GW Purist.

I've worked for them 3 times, and they are one of the best companies I have ever worked for!

Their games are in my opinion peerless. Massive engrossing background, and yet open ended. Excellent mix of army themes, and plenty of scope for conversions and scratch builds.

I don't give a monkies about their business practices. Those who criticise haven't been through their training (mmm! Extensive!) and aren't exactly running their own businesses.

You can tell they're doing better and better, as the complaints get more and more fickle.

I have tried other wargames, and whilst I don't find them to my taste, I really can't tell if it's the gamess themselves, or the players who put me off!

[UltraBlood]

I would have to say I am a GW guy by default. The only gaming store close by is a GW one and the people I play games with are more into 40k then anything else.

That being said the only other game I have ever really played was BattleTech back when it was sold by Fasa. I think it is probably the only game I can think of that would rival 40k in terms of fluff and story line. I never had any of the cool mintures for it though so can't say anything about their quality compared to GW.

[Cpt Codpiece]

yeah, im pretty much the same.

since space crusade, all i have bought, painted, read (not entirley true but you know what i mean. codex, rules, fluff books etc) and gamed with is GW.

i do however have a soft spot for AoW but since felix was a GW guy i let that company slide LOL (i know mike mcvey and PP, but i never likd MM sculpts...*shivers at thought of lemartes*, though he can paint).

i do love the background and its evolution from the rogue trader era of 'hey look WFB is selling great lets make a models in space book too........ oh and we can still use the fantasy guys we have just make some rules and history about them' to the grim dark we have now.

[gendoikari87]

I love the GW design team, but I hate the board of directors. The board of directors has needlessly turned a game of plastic toy soldiers into a high priced luxury game, squeezing out every penny they can at the expense of player growth. which may or may not increase revenue but it smacks of elitism when it is wholly unnecessary, and i disagree with it. The design team and the actual game, i love though.

Yes witt, blah blah blah, I disagree with you and you disagree with me. We see things from two very different perspectives, lets leave it at that.

I wouldn't say i wouldn't start other games, but around here GW has a near monopoly on the fanbase, with the only exception being flames of war. which if FOW ever goes cold war and I can field armies of T-72's and ak-47's with RPG-7's I might consider ditching GW all together.

[wittdooley]

I love the GW design team, but I hate the board of directors. The board of directors has needlessly turned a game of plastic toy soldiers into a high priced luxury game, squeezing out every penny they can at the expense of player growth. which may or may not increase revenue but it smacks of elitism when it is wholly unnecessary, and i disagree with it. The design team and the actual game, i love though.

Yes witt, blah blah blah, I disagree with you and you disagree with me. We see things from two very different perspectives, lets leave it at that.


Hey! I didn't say a word!

If you want to measure GW on their own merit as a business, that's fine. At this point, I don't think we can really compare their business infrastructure to any other miniatures company as they're the only Public entity in the market. A lot of the complaints about GW could be said about Wizards of the Coast, too.

[eldargal]

GW has always been a luxury, toys of any kind are a luxury and toy soldiers more than most. What people forget is that GW went public in 1992 or so. When people start seeing a supposed decline in GW it is because they grow and become dissatsified with things, it isn't just 'aww cool!' to everything anymore.

[Necron2.0]

Just as a voice for the other side, I've been playing wargames since before there was anything like Rogue Trader - back when Gary Gygax's only claim to fame was "Chainmail." I've been collecting miniatures for just as long. I've only recently (within the past 5 years) gotten into playing 40K, and then only because my friends play it. I am aware that people love this game and think that Citadel minis are plastic gold, but for myself (personally) I've never completely understood the fascination - but hey, there's no law that says we all have to like the same things ... each to their own. For myself, my favorite war game (if you can call it that) is Star Fleet Battles, but I recognize that is very much an acquired taste.

Basically, I see GW like I see Jaguar (the car company). My boss loves Jaguars. Give him the slightest provocation and he'll go on for hours about how Jaguars are the best cars there are, that they far outclass anything on the road (especially BMWs, which are strictly for wankers) and that if you have the money and you don't buy a Jaguar, well then the only explanation for it must be that your mother was your father's sister ... all this despite the fact that his car is in the shop at least once every three weeks. I have other friends who are equally agog over BMWs, and other still for SAABs, VWs, and 'Merican cars/trucks.

What does all this mean? Not much. Carry on with the love-fest.

[mordiano]

by SAAB you are of course refering to the WarZone/Chronopia Target games .... :P

[Verilance]

For myself, my favorite war game (if you can call it that) is Star Fleet Battles, but I recognize that is very much an acquired taste.

What does all this mean? Not much. Carry on with the love-fest.


Did you ever play Starfleet Battle Manual with the cards on the floor with strings attached to determine the direction of your shot?

I come from a roleplaying/wargaming background and I will admit when I first saw citidal miniatures years ago I thought they were crude and ugly :p I loved reading the first 100 issues of White Dwarf though, I as such owe GW no loyalty. My ex-wife played WFB though and my son asked me to buy him an army and the rest is history.

I really like the fluff and have not found any other system that interests me as much

[Necron2.0]

Did you ever play Starfleet Battle Manual with the cards on the floor with strings attached to determine the direction of your shot?

No, I think that's a different game. The SFB I play is put out by Amarillo Design Bureau. Originally the game was a pocket game, similar to Steve Jackson's Car Wars. Eventually it grew into a game system with three box sets, numerous expansions and a rules set (all rules, no fluff) that dwarfed some urban phone books in size and density.


I come from a roleplaying/wargaming background and I will admit when I first saw citidal miniatures years ago I thought they were crude and ugly.

Yep, I was of the same opinion.

[gendoikari87]

Hey! I didn't say a word!

If you want to measure GW on their own merit as a business, that's fine. At this point, I don't think we can really compare their business infrastructure to any other miniatures company as they're the only Public entity in the market. A lot of the complaints about GW could be said about Wizards of the Coast, too.

true, but wizards doesn't way overcharge you for their merchandise (lol, okay yes they do, but no where near as bad) they just have ways to make you buy and buy and buy.... and buy and buy.... and that's perfectly A-okay in my book. That combined with the low start up costs will keep magic the gathering around for a LOOOONG time.

[Verilance]

No, I think that's a different game. The SFB I play is put out by Amarillo Design Bureau. Originally the game was a pocket game, similar to Steve Jackson's Car Wars. Eventually it grew into a game system with three box sets, numerous expansions and a rules set (all rules, no fluff) that dwarfed some urban phone books in size and density.



I have played both though to be honest I barely remember Starfleet Battle Manual except that it was played on the floor for best results because of more space

I remember many a Saturday playing Starfleet Battles taking on the evil Federation with my heroic Romulan Birds of Prey

Car Wars was a favourite as well :D


true, but wizards doesn't way overcharge you for their merchandise... with the low start up costs will keep magic the gathering around for a LOOOONG time.

You obviously play a different game than the game I am familiar with where I had to spend hundreds of dollars to get my son the cards he wanted

[gendoikari87]

You obviously play a different game than the game I am familiar with where I had to spend hundreds of dollars to get my son the cards he wanted

well technically that isn't wizards of the coast, they don't see much if any profit in the exorbitant uptick in their cards price beyond people buying pack after pack after pack after pack, to get that one card.

also, hundreds? Get him some mox cards did you? or have double lands gone up?

[Kawauso]

You obviously play a different game than the game I am familiar with where I had to spend hundreds of dollars to get my son the cards he wanted

There's a difference between the cards your son wanted and the cards one 'needs' in order to be able to play the game effectively or competitively.

There are tooons of articles out there on playing competitive Standard Magic on very tight budgets.

Magic can be very expensive, if you let it. It can also be very, very affordable...even if you're regularly playing in competitive environments with the latest sets.

Also, there's more to the game than Constructed. You can draft regularly, and that's pretty inexpensive, as well - particularly if you sell back any desirable cards you come across. You can even turn a profit doing that.

[Verilance]

There's a difference between the cards your son wanted and the cards one 'needs' in order to be able to play the game effectively or competitively.

There are tooons of articles out there on playing competitive Standard Magic on very tight budgets.

Magic can be very expensive, if you let it. It can also be very, very affordable...even if you're regularly playing in competitive environments with the latest sets.

Also, there's more to the game than Constructed. You can draft regularly, and that's pretty inexpensive, as well - particularly if you sell back any desirable cards you come across. You can even turn a profit doing that.

The only way I would ever play Magic is sealed deck with two boosters everything else seems no fun to me,

I have bought thousands of cards over the years, since he was about 5 yrs old, each new set required new cards to play with and there are several sets a year

though now he only plays online which cuts down on the expense greatly :D

[Psychosplodge]

Hello everyone,

I'm here to make a confession, I only use Apple computers.
Now this will affect people in one of two ways:
1. They will regard me as shallow-minded and say that I am a bad man for only supporting Apple.
2. They won't care, may agree with me on some points, and get on with their lives

Either way. I love Apple; I love it as a business model, I love it as a hobby.
It gives me a smug sense of self-satisfaction whenever someone insults another product, because simply, I don't view any company as an equal to them. Not Windows, and not Linux.

Sure, Apple makes mistakes, as does anyone. Sometimes I feel mild disappointment with their policies and pricing, but dammit man I loves me some plastic crack. Apple's evolution in design is something that I look forward to with every new release - they haven't released anything in YEARS that I haven't liked. They're even doing good movie streaming now!

Call me what you will, but I'm proud of my hobby and the company that makes it - thank you Apple!


Wow. You sound JUST like me! Change out Games Workshop for Apple and I could have written the OP! :p

Cope

I thought we'd had this discussion? Bloody apple zealots can't let things lie, the world doesn't revolve around shiny white plastic...


BMWs, which are strictly for wankers



True, can't state it often enough...the next BMW driver I see using indicators will be the first, and don't get me started on their lane discipline when it comes to roundabouts ¬_¬

[Wolfshade]

I love GW stuff and that is the only wargames I play.
I do not think I would have been playing wargames if it wasn't for them. I am now aware of other systems mainly because of the diversification of BoLS, but I do not find a Flames of War shop in the city centre, actaully come to think of it I don't think that there are any other local games stores near me, so if you want to get into the hobby in my area you have to go through the coporate GW way.

Though, I do like what fantasy flight have done with some of the old GW IPs like Fury of Dracula

[Chris Copeland]

I thought we'd had this discussion? Bloody apple zealots can't let things lie, the world doesn't revolve around shiny white plastic...

Splodge, you have to admit that Apple and GW were completely interchangeable in the OP. It was the first thing that jumped out at me when I read it. :) Relax. I'm just having a bit of fun with TDA because he was also involved in the thread about Army Builder being released for Mac. :p Cheers! Cope


Hello everyone,

I'm here to make a confession, I only play Games Workshop produced games.
Now this will affect people in one of two ways:
1. They will regard me as shallow-minded and say that I am a bad man for only supporting Games Workshop
2. They won't care, may agree with me on some points, and get on with their lives

[Psychosplodge]

I know, I'm equally taking the piss, I could have equally left it alone lol

[Brakkart]

As far as wargaming goes then yes I'm a GW purist too, been hooked ever since Space Crusade and Heroquest, and following on from those was Blood Bowl. Warhammer Fantasy came later and most recently a whole group of my friends all decided to have a hobby in common and so we picked Warhammer 40,000. I'm also a big fan of the old counter-based Battle for Armageddon board game (and it's expansion set) which is a treasured possession. I have the old Horus Heresy board game too but it's in the loft currently.

I'm not that big a fan of roleplaying in the Warhammer world though, have done so in several campaigns and it's not for me. I'm very much a fan of the Pathfinder RPG these days after leaving Dungeons & Dragons for it after the travesty that was 4th edition.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Where are the Warmahorde fans? Or the manic Mantics? A big thank you to all the loyalists here. I was in Birmingham today and saw a 10 man box of Retribution of Scyrah that was near 40 quid. I was like 'f*ck that!' and bought Deathwatch books instead. :D

[bfmusashi]

I'd hit ebay if you're looking for that. The pound to dollar is spiffy (less so for us on the other end mind you) and you'll be getting them at less than retailer mark-up. Probably does better than canceling out shipping. Join us in the Retribution, the filthy stink humans were warned. Also, our robots look like Trekkies crashing a steampunk party. They've got a strong Shoji Kawamori vibe too.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

In the grim darkness of the far future, there are no warjacks, ONLY WAR!

[Skanderbeg]

Was someone looking for a homachine fan? Um, I like homachine. I have been selected by Matt Wilson to represent the PP fans on this thread.

[Skanderbeg]

Ooh, ooh, and the preceding was my first post on BoLS! Congratulate me puritans! With puritanical zeal!

[Skanderbeg]

Still no one? Are you 40k players feverishly reading 6th? This is your chance to talk to an honest to goodness warmahordes player. You know, those guys that are just a bunch of big meanies who like robots that fight (which is really strange compared to the grim dark) but don't like good fluff very much. Also like 40k puritans we play nothing else but warmahordes and seem quite unusually proud of it. So proud of it we often feel the need to start threads wherein we can be very self-congratulatory about playing only one game, many of us having never played any other games that did not have a GW logo on them.

[bfmusashi]

Still no one? Are you 40k players feverishly reading 6th? This is your chance to talk to an honest to goodness warmahordes player. You know, those guys that are just a bunch of big meanies who like robots that fight (which is really strange compared to the grim dark) but don't like good fluff very much. Also like 40k puritans we play nothing else but warmahordes and seem quite unusually proud of it. So proud of it we often feel the need to start threads wherein we can be very self-congratulatory about playing only one game, many of us having never played any other games that did not have a GW logo on them.

That is not what I took from the thread at all. I would also be surprised that anyone who was selected to represent a company would take such a confrontational stance. It makes your claim of proxy rather dubious. Usually a company proponent would point out the things that make PP a great product (like their *****ing paint line or narrative heavy game development). While I don't much care for the Hordes end of things, I'm just not a fan of 'traditional' fantasy, I'd distill each faction of Warmachine:
Cygnar: We shoot magic from guns and kill our enemies with SCIENCE!
Khador: Because if you build a giant robot it should be the biggest, baddest robot you can build.
Protectorate: It's like you're Charlton Heston in the Ten Commandments all the time, also we stuck Menoth in a robot.
Cryx: Every horror movie villian has a spot... also, pirates.
Mercenaries: Every interesting ne'er-do-well and adventurer in one place! Also, pirates and dwarves, even a pirate dwarf!
Retribution: Terrorist shock trooper elves that can't be bothered with facts. You were warned filthy stink humans!
Also, most of the people in the thread are overseas. Even in the states PP has a limited presence in game stores and it is still much less than that occupied by GW.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

*teleports in*
Yes, I have been reading 6th edition, my gods is it amazing. I love the background, love the pictures, love the hobby bits.

I wasn't aware that I was being confrontational, but you've clearly proven my point Skanderbeg. Well done minion. :D

*teleports out*

[Rapture]

While being a "puritan" is one thing, I am just confused as to why anyone would be proud to like GW or proud of GW as a company. Even if they do make the best version of a particular product - Who cares? They certainly aren't advancing the human race with their wares and the fact that you like them should elicit no more pride than the fact that you prefer Frosted Flakes as your exclusive breakfast of choice.

Vicarious pride reminds me of people who get overly involved in sports that they don't even play ("No way can they beat our defense!" - you know the type).

Edit:
Please don't say "homachine" - it is ugly.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I don't watch sport; I PLAY IT. A sport is an activity and an activity is to be carried out.

My pride is in myself, wargaming is an aspect of my life and therefore an extension of my pride, I am proud to represent the hobby that I play and the company that produces it. If one does not take pride in one's actions then what is the point of doing ANYTHING?
You may as well sit at home, or under a bridge, and be a troglodyte.
I can go to my local GW and place my models for a game, the youth will see them, ask me about them; and then they're inspired to start a new army or I can help them to paint it in a way that I do.
I can take pride in saying "yeah, I made that" or "yeah, I painted that" or even "I remember helping that kid paint that".

So yeah, I'm proud of what I do.

[Rapture]

I don't watch sport; I PLAY IT. A sport is an activity and an activity is to be carried out.

My pride is in myself, wargaming is an aspect of my life and therefore an extension of my pride, I am proud to represent the hobby that I play and the company that produces it. If one does not take pride in one's actions then what is the point of doing ANYTHING?
You may as well sit at home, or under a bridge, and be a troglodyte.
I can go to my local GW and place my models for a game, the youth will see them, ask me about them; and then they're inspired to start a new army or I can help them to paint it in a way that I do.
I can take pride in saying "yeah, I made that" or "yeah, I painted that" or even "I remember helping that kid paint that".

So yeah, I'm proud of what I do.
Asking the meaning of life is a little ambitious for BoLS, but I will just say that it is self-satisfying and pride doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it.

Walking, breathing, and pooping are all parts of your life as well. When was the last time you felt proud of them (not including the third, now that I think about it)? The majority of events in a person's life are nothing to be proud of, especially those events that are common or even universally possible.

I admit to enjoying the effort and result of a particularly time consuming modelling task, but I am not proud of them as I know that they are, as the ultimately come from a multi-part kit, not special.

If you were painting miniatures that made art critics take notice or if you were keeping at-risk children off the streets then you could be proud. You are playing a casual game and participating in minor social interactions. I don't see any room for pride there.

Besides, you claimed to be proud of the fact that you are a GW "puritan" and proud of GW - two things that still do not seem to make any sense to me. Why are you proud to represent a company that you are simply a customer of?

[Verilance]

I am proud of the work I have done at the end of the day, if you can't take pride in things you do that make you happy when can you?

[Skanderbeg]

I was actually being a bit of a troll and for that I apologize. But any confrontation was meant to be the gentlest of ribbing. A gentlest ribbing in response to the suggestion that we who play Warmahordes are somehow meaner as a group than 40k players in the experience of one individual. Further the thread itself is an apology for something that does not require an apology but it seems the OP felt obligated to share his pride. This thread in fact seems to be a thinly veiled attempt at trolling. A full explanation: I do play Warmahordes (homachine was a Frontline Gamer term and I agree it is a tad gross but amusing) and I enjoy it thoroughly. I did play 40k. I did not rage quit but found I enjoy warmahordes the game a great deal more, though GW's IP will always have a special place in my heart. I don't play 40k now because I find it easier to concentrate on one rules system as I am not very skilled at demarcating rules sets in my memory. I trolled because I was curious why anyone would take such pride in subscribing so heavily to one company and their product that they felt a desire to post about it. More I find the occasional rivalry between PP fanbois and the GW commissars strange, and if this thread was intended as anything but a veiled attempt at that than I actually do apologize. Also I apologize for any confrontational tone, i really meant it as gentle ribbing. And as apologies are weird in this medium all I can say is that I am being sincere.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I never troll sir, trolling is for idiots. My OP was in reference to an argument I had with a Warmahordemalikings (or whatever you call it) player, who slandered me as I was an exclusive Games Workshop player. Viewing GW as the antichrist and worthy of scorn as they cause all of the world's problems. I disdain people with that opinion, I don't slander their product as anything I would say is untrue; their ranges are cool, they just need to diversify and add background. There isn't really much call for the other games in Shrewsbury, there are no shops to buy them and no clubs to play them. Sure, the Retribution are pretty but they're expensive as hell.

[Mr Mystery]

While being a "puritan" is one thing, I am just confused as to why anyone would be proud to like GW or proud of GW as a company. Even if they do make the best version of a particular product - Who cares? They certainly aren't advancing the human race with their wares and the fact that you like them should elicit no more pride than the fact that you prefer Frosted Flakes as your exclusive breakfast of choice.

Vicarious pride reminds me of people who get overly involved in sports that they don't even play ("No way can they beat our defense!" - you know the type).

Edit:
Please don't say "homachine" - it is ugly.

Erm...helping kids with their literacy, numeracy and also teaching the virtue of patience. Yep. GW and Wargaming as a whole do help to advance the human race!

[olberon]

i also have a confession to make...........

im also a GW puritan, im a player for over 25 years and absolutly love the hobby. Even better my whole family loves it. and i have the pics to prove it !!

http://i1253.photobucket.com/albums/hh593/warhammerpaintservice/Crimson%20Fists/IMGP0957.jpg

My oldest started painting when he was just 6 months old, my daughter love to grab a brush when im busy and even my wife has her own armies. Yup guess im lucky
We always try to attend gamesday and i missed only one since the start. I always take part in local tournaments and other competitions I was outrider for 5 years (until they got disbanded) The only thing im "cheating" GW with is paints, since i started to use reaper paints my collection of GW paints is slowly decreasing, mostly due to kids drinking it ;)

A good example of how loyal we are to GW is this, we are planning to move to another part of the country. Currently we live i a flat and that not a real good place when you have 3 kids, so we are planning on moving a bit more to the "country side" The first thing we actually did is use the store finder tool to check if there was a GW/independent stockist near us (yes we really did!)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

That is quite possibly the best thing that I've ever seen!

I want a gaming family! Congrats man.

[Psychosplodge]

Still no one? Are you 40k players feverishly reading 6th? This is your chance to talk to an honest to goodness warmahordes player. You know, those guys that are just a bunch of big meanies who like robots that fight (which is really strange compared to the grim dark) but don't like good fluff very much. Also like 40k puritans we play nothing else but warmahordes and seem quite unusually proud of it. So proud of it we often feel the need to start threads wherein we can be very self-congratulatory about playing only one game, many of us having never played any other games that did not have a GW logo on them.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRyYsrNsDEdq8hsJPgbUBCrEJAozpa2T R40WZDrAdQq7NFOfM98NpQRIzCh


Asking the meaning of life is a little ambitious for BoLS, but I will just say that it is self-satisfying and pride doesn't necessarily have anything to do with it.


42 easy...


That is quite possibly the best thing that I've ever seen!

I want a gaming family! Congrats man.

That's quite possibly the best paint collection I've ever seen,
I want a box of paints like that...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Bonus exp for Psycho! :D

[Wolfshade]

Olberon's kids probably paint better than I

[bfmusashi]

Now that I'm a dad I am truly moved by candid pictures of families engaging in hobbies together. It is the height of targeted marketing. Your kids, by the way, are adorable.

[Belial69]

Apart from Super Dungeon Explore I am otherwise a GW puritan. And Hre's why...

Hello Will,

I'm sorry, but we've made a mistake with your order for the Gamers' Edition of the Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook, and this means that we can't fulfil it. This is totally our fault. It is absolutely not what you'd expect from us - we pride ourselves on great service, and we've let you down.

We can't get you a Gamers' Edition unfortunately, but we've got a few things for you that we hope will make up for our error.

First of all, we're giving you a full refund for your original order of the Gamers' Edition. We've let you down, so of course this goes without saying. In addition to this, we're sending you:
A free copy of the new Warhammer 40,000 Rulebook.
A free set of the red Munitorum Dice that were only available in the Gamers' Edition
AND we are sending you free Virtual Gift Vouchers for the value of your original order of the Gamers' Edition - £75 and your Virtual Gift Voucher code is XXXXXXX - so you can treat yourself to miniatures or books from our website whenever you like. They're on us.
All of this will be despatched to you today, 2nd July.

Once again, please accept my apologies. I know that we can't fully make up for the disappointment of not being able to get you a Gamers' Edition, but I hope that we've been able to soften the blow a little.

Yours sincerely,

Erik Mogensen, Head of Global Web Sales
Games Workshop Customer Service


NERDGASM!!!

[Psychosplodge]

I know where that went, one of the GW I go in had a gamers edition they didn't know where it was from, so they raffled it....

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

So you don't get the Gamer's Edition, but you get EVERYTHING except the bag and more, what?! Dude, I think you just won ALL of the sports.