Eldar Rumours

[eldargal]

Via Warseer:

Hello warseer!

I have some very early Eldar rumors. First let me start with a very clear disclaimer:

THESE ARE EARLY RUMORS, CODEX ELDAR IS RUMORED MID TO LATE 2013! I EXPECT MUCH OF THIS TO CHANGE OR EVOLVE FROM WHAT I AM HEARING TODAY!

Ok, very small list, so on to what Im hearing:

Aspects all have a way to move to troops. However, some are limited to one unit only. The phoenix Lords are NOT this mechanism supposedly.

Guardians have a slight points reduction.

Tanks ( night spinner, fire prism, falcon) have a point reduction.

Transports are about the same cost.

Storm guardians are an upgrade of normal guardians.

Rumor those units requiring a guide (wraithguard , wraithlord) longer sit idle when out side range and rolling a 1. Instead they can make a move towards a warlock or other guide. Engaging these units in cc while they are outside their guides range will have penalties, treat as ws 1, i 1. However, guides will have "buffs" they can give. Reroll to hit, bonus save, etc. (To me this sounds suspiciously like changes to nids and the tervigon)

I actually have some rumours about models but I want to try and get some corroboration before I post them.

[Malcontent]

I actually have some rumours about models but I want to try and get some corroboration before I post them.

As long as jetbikes get updated I'll be happy.

[MajorWesJanson]

I'm going to guess now on kits:
Jetbikes/Shining Spears 3 pack
Fighter/flier
Plastic Avatar
1-2 Shrines to plastic (Swooping Hawks and Fire Dragons come to mind)
5 Pack plastic Wraithguard, possibly with Warlock added.
Plastic Mini-sprue for Farseer, Autarch.
3-4 new Characters in Finecast, including maybe a new Phoenix Lord or Two and a named Autarch.
New shrine or two in finecast (Slicing Orbs?)
Firestorm/Falcon dual kit recut (replace the turret sprue)

[Deadlift]

I'm going to guess now on kits:
Jetbikes/Shining Spears 3 pack
Fighter/flier
Plastic Avatar
1-2 Shrines to plastic (Swooping Hawks and Fire Dragons come to mind)
Plastic Mini-sprue for Farseer, Autarch.
3-4 new Characters in Finecast, including maybe a new Phoenix Lord or Two and a named Autarch.
New shrine or two in finecast (Slicing Orbs?)
Firestorm/Falcon dual kit recut (replace the turret sprue)

Dont forget plastic wraith guard, these are so cool but too expensive to seriously make an army from them at the moment. I bought 10 a few years back and that cost me £80, now it would be £87

[MajorWesJanson]

Dont forget plastic wraith guard, these are so cool but too expensive to seriously make an army from them at the moment. I bought 10 a few years back and that cost me £80, now it would be £87

Good point. That just blanked on me.

[DrLove42]

Squuueeee

So if the PLords don't make the aspects troops and its done some other way, there will still be very little point in taking them.

My biggest kit wish is a plastic Autarch kit, similar to the Chaos Terminator Lord. All the options to swap in and out.

Also. Please be Phil Kelly.

Edit - OH yeah...make Scorpions fleet. If Incubi are, then we should be too

[Chuck777]

I want my Striking Scorpion Troop Choices!:D

[eldargal]

Well one assumes Phoenix Lords will be buffed a bit and enhance their Aspects abilities and if you can take them as troops, say with an Aspect themed Autarch Phoenix Lords probably will have uses.

I do agree about Scropions being fleet, has to happen.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I would like to see new Aspects personally. In our Deathwatch campaign (using the White Wolf ruleset) we encountered an Artifact World which was being defended by the remaining members of Malan'tai (conveniently named The Tears of Malan'tai) and we were ambushed whilst defending a fortification by an Aspect that our GM had made up, they were called the Roaring Lions and they were exceptionally badass, featuring lightning claws and roars and such. MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

[eosgreen]

all i see are rumor topics on these boards. its like everyone keeps trying to 1 up the last guys rumors but no one wants to post anything official or with backing

where is the proof or reliability of the source

[eldargal]

If they had proof it wouldn't be a rumour, it would be news. As for reliability Stickmonkey is reliable in terms of what happens but he doesn't get the timing right. He had the upcoming flyer released pegged for last year, for example. Other reliable rumourmongers like hastings and Harry on Warseer have very, very good track records.

[eosgreen]

i guess but rumors kinda changed forms online. as a rather hardcore gamer also i noticed rumors now a days are more fact then the original intention of the word rumor

[eldargal]

Well it depends on the timeframe involved. For example we basically know what is coming one or two months in advance, but the rumours for Eldar in 12-18 months are far, far less certain. All we can really say is that they are coming.

[fuzzbuket]

i want a VIAVLBLE army consisting soely of wraithguard, scorpians and spiders. NOW :P also id really appreciate some plastic spider and wraithguard sculpts!
personally most of the eldar range is fantastic! all id like is
classic banshees
new jetbikes/spears (feth it just a better posed pilot and head :P)
new warp spiders (or just remove the tassles!)
wrathguard that dont cost an arm and a leg

i am fond of the eldar range! even things like the warlock sculpts WHICH ARE OLDER THAN ME ( i think, they were released in 1991?) are still great models!

-fuzz

p.s. please include the ilyaden seer who rides about in a giant wraith construct! thatd be amazing! (and possibly aspect wraithlords? or wraithlord Hq's)

p.p.s. please no horrible muck ups or fluff ups, i want no necron jetbikes and no brofisting tyranids...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

new warp spiders (or just remove the tassles!)

Hmmmmmmm nipple tassles.


i am fond of the eldar range! even things like the warlock sculpts WHICH ARE OLDER THAN ME ( i think, they were released in 1991?) are still great models!

Same here, I like Eldars.
If that's true, then they are a year older than me. They probably look better for their age too. Hahah

[eldargal]

Some (all those not in the boxed set) of the warlock sculpts date to 1991, others date to 1992-4 and yes they look great though a little short.

As for Banshees, what we have now are much closer to the classic Banshee than the 3rd edition sculpts were. Those weren't bad but not as good as what we have now.

Warp Spiders also date to 1992-96, and are also pretty though really they do need an update.

[fuzzbuket]

oh so all the warp spiders AND warlocks are older than me, lol :P
-fuzz

[DrLove42]

I think the Aspects, particularly Spiders and Scorpions don't show their age that much. I don't know how old the ucrrent ones are....

Dragons are a bit meh, Banshees are a pain.

Wraithguard really need it.

Also (wishlisting here) give Eldar some credit. There most valuable war asset heirlooms would have inulnverable saves. Give Wraithguard a 4++ and Lords a 4++

You don't really need HQ WLords. The Wraithseer fills that gap.

(and about age its good to know I'm older than the models i'm using. And christ Fuzz, if youre younger than the spiders how old are you?)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Welp.

I feel so young.

[DrLove42]

Donj't start saying you feel young.

Cos then i'll start feeling old.

And at 23 I'm far too young to feel old!

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

I'm 20! Hahaha!

[Deadlift]

now I feel like a proper coffin dodger :confused:

[Demonus]

Wraithlords definitely need an Invulnerable save, even if it is just 5++ like DreadKnights have. T8 is great until someone punches you in the face with some AP3 Krak Missiles or a Power Fist you get no save against. And dont even get me started on poisoned power weapon hits!

[eldargal]

Agreed, Phoenix Lords and Wraithlords all need invulnerable saves if they want to be viable. Or some other chicanery to make them more survivable. If your standard or garden variety Wych gets a ++ dodge sayd really there is no excuse for Jain Zar not to get one, if not every Howling Banshee.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Agreed, Phoenix Lords and Wraithlords all need invulnerable saves if they want to be viable. Or some other chicanery to make them more survivable. If your standard or garden variety Wytch gets a ++ dodge sayd really there is no excuse for Jain Zar not to get one, if not every Howling Banshee.

Motion seconded, plus, SPOILERS





*Jain Zar was a bit bent in Void Stalker*

/SPOILERS

I really want an army of Scorpions. >_<

[DrLove42]

The way it bothers me is they're the eldars most precious and revered people. Give them a frigging save. I'd even live with a reduction to T7 if they got a save (but i'd prefer they stay 8)

As it stands bar poison weapons everything that can reliably hurt them is AP3 or better. So they could have no save and it wouldn't change much

[DrLove42]

Update!

Taken from Faeit 212 (who I seem to get all my rumours from)


via Romanus (note:A little extra salt here)
heard that they have played with Wave serpents Energy Shields becoming weaker, in that they loose there negative effects against melta etc. Still these are playtesting rumors at this stage so subject to a huge variable of change.

From what I have heard and from other sources around the interwebs the first wave for Eldar would look like:

Flyer - Possibly with 2nd wave flyer release (supposedly related to the large vehicle chassis), I have also heard it is the Nightwing but this would contradict what GW has been saying lately that there wouldn't be anymore direct ports from FW

New Plastic Jetbikes (seen Games Day 2010)
New Plastic Vyper
Larger Vehicle Chassis
Guardian Box incorporating Storm and Battle guardians???
Finecast characters

I know that Eldar are being worked on at the moment, but its mostly throwing around Ideas and seeing how they work. I'm not 100% sure on the design sequence that GW follows but this would seem pretty prelim to me. I know that this has been going on for around six months so far, with some pretty nifty ideas being tried. Thats all I'll say on the matter though

Little more dubious with claims of the Nightwing being Plasticised (please no). Also the idea of a new vehicle chassis is a bit wierd...and do Vypers really need re-doing?

[eldargal]

Yep, Vypers need re-doing. The kit is positively primitive compared to the Venom.

Also I just don't buy the energy field nerf. If Transports aren't going down in price much, they can't go nerfing them as well. They either get buffed to make them worth it, or they remain the same and go down in price. anything else will be a sodding catastrophy. Everyone whines about mech dominating 5th but the answer is not to punish the most expensive (if best) dedicated transport in the game.

As to kits, that matches with what I'm hearing mostly. I guess I may as well just post what I've heard now:

New Avatar sculpt
New Falcon variants
Entirely new vehicle
New jetbikes and vyper jetbike models
New character sculpts, new special character(s) and new SC sculpts
New versions of Aspect warriors, similar to current models but 'more dynamic'

[Chuck777]

New Avatar sculpt
New Falcon variants
Entirely new vehicle Maybe something like the Dark Eldar's Venom
New jetbikes and vyper jetbike models
New character sculpts, new special character(s) and new SC sculpts
New versions of Aspect warriors, similar to current models but 'more dynamic'

The Avatar is probably going to resemble the forge world version, thus making him big and mean. New Jetbikes models means GW will probably be packaged in groups of 3 for 60 bucks. New character sculpts are welcome, a lot of the eldar finecast/metal range is really, really old. Hopefully the new Howling Banshees will be less fragile... :)

[eldargal]

The venom is the DE vyper so it won't be that. I'm assuming it is the flyer but it could be a new skimmer too. I hope it is to be honest, sick of everything being on the falcon chassis as lovely as it is. FWs hornet is a start, but more plastic would be nice.

I should say this source is semi-reliable and I've not been able to corroborate it with more reliable rumourmongers. He got the demi-gryph knights right, for example, but also said there would be a war wagon and a female Empire character model.

[Defenestratus]

Yep, Vypers need re-doing. The kit is positively primitive compared to the Venom.

Also I just don't buy the energy field nerf. If Transports aren't going down in price much, they can't go nerfing them as well. They either get buffed to make them worth it, or they remain the same and go down in price. anything else will be a sodding catastrophy. Everyone whines about mech dominating 5th but the answer is not to punish the most expensive (if best) dedicated transport in the game.

As to kits, that matches with what I'm hearing mostly. I guess I may as well just post what I've heard now:

Agreed.

If they NERF the wave serpents and keep their points the same, then the footdar will become even more prevalent.

I don't think I've heard of a dominating Wave Serpent spamming list out there that warrants their overall nerfing - unless there's something about 6ed that makes the current Serpents just unstoppable.

[eldargal]

I'll be really cranky if that happens. I play mechdar because it is fluffy and suits my playstyle, I don't have an issue ith footdar but I don't want to be FORCED to play it just because my expensive great transports become expensive rubbish transports.

Mechdar builds can dominate but not because of Wave Serpents, rather what they deliver. Lots of Fire Dragons and small units of DA to contest/claim objectives and whatnot. Far less troublesome than IG parking lot.

[Malcontent]

New Jetbikes models means GW will probably be packaged in groups of 3 for 60 bucks.

I think that they would be more in line with DE Reavers or Tomb Blades, 3 for $35 or $42.

[Chuck777]

I think that they would be more in line with DE Reavers or Tomb Blades, 3 for $35 or $42.

I hope so but GW could include an upgrade sprue to make them Warlocks and/or Farseers, thus increasing the price.

[Mr.Pickelz]

So no news on Harlequins, and if their changing or have a way to make a pure Harlequin army? :(

[eldargal]

No hint of a rumour of that, and I would be very surprised if the codex has options for an all Harlequin army.

Some more from Stickmonkey:

Eldargal,
I've hear there have been CAD sculpts seen in the past 6 months for all of the aspects AND wraithguard, just dont know if they will be finecast or get broke out to plastic kits yet.

My newest batch of rumors here is coming from playtest notes, which are notoriously unreliable this far out form codex release, but they do indicate the direction being thought.

Also a bit more on the wave serpent. Couple things have been tried on the shield, from 4+ invul on any penetrating hit, to something similar to the necron shield where the armor drops after its penetrated once. The rumors are all over the board there, but one thing is certain that mechanic is being looked at and will lkely work differently in the final codex.

As far as the phoenix lords go, they are rumored to provide a table wide buff to their aspect units while on the board. For instance Karandras is rumored to grant +1A or +1S to Scorpions.

[Defenestratus]

I could live with a 4++ (fortuned) save on my wave serpents.

Actually, I'd just be happy if they gave them holofields - which I'm pretty sure are going to become a save of some sort in the new book. Too many marine players get butthurt over the holofields.

[DrLove42]

I think Holofields will be some kind of save. 5+ like the DE for 5-15pts, 4+ for 20-30

Holofields can't stay the same. If hullpoints are in 6th ed, the holofield is a 35pt upgrade that won't help that much

[MajorWesJanson]

I hope so but GW could include an upgrade sprue to make them Warlocks and/or Farseers, thus increasing the price.

I see more likely that if Warlocks are a common unit upgrade, we will see a jetbike box with parts for 3 guardian riders, 3 shining spears riders, a shining spears exarch, one shrieker weapon upgrade, and maybe one warlock rider. Thus all options to make a most of seer council on bikes, but you will need many boxes.

[Sckeetch]

So no news on Harlequins, and if their changing or have a way to make a pure Harlequin army? :(

An all Harlequin army would be amazing, but probably unlikely. I'd love to see a Solitaire as an HQ choice though!

[Levitas]

An all Harlequin army would be amazing, but probably unlikely. I'd love to see a Solitaire as an HQ choice though!

Totally agree. Harlequins either need their own stand alone codex or be better integrated into the ELdar one. I'd even settle for a WD releases although they deserve much better. Then you have Exodites too, who also deserve some rustic love. Give us clowns and dinosaurs GW!:p

I'd like for Aspect warriors to be buffed by relevant HQs. I'm ready to unleash the scorpion horde with the shadow hunter at the front.

[jonsgot]

I've known for some time, and can't say how. There is going to be a new plastic Avatar. It's not going to be a copy of the forge world model, just like the Winged Hive Tyrant wasn't. It also won't be as big as the Forge World Avatar, but it will be bigger than the current model. So those of you who have bought the FW model can breath a sigh of relief. Now I'm not 100% sure on the next bit but I think I herd there is going to be a choice of 3 weapons.

I got the Finecast Avatar at Christmas. I took it back a month later as it was still in it's pack. I knew I'd regret making the effort of painting it even though I normally play against salamanders. Now you know why GW have locked down there leaks. They can't shift the old models and end up binning them.

mmmmmmm GW bins :)

[eldargal]

Similar to what Stickmonkey posted about nearly two years ago:

I am, at this very moment, holding a sculpt of a new Eldar Avatar. I am told the Avatar is being looked at to go to production as a plastic kit containing all options. And will be released with the future Eldar Codex. When, you ask? I have been told, "Not for a while." and "When its done."

Specific changes I note:
Does not look like FW version.
Avatar's head is more expressive.
Molten-y look is much more impressive. Bits of fire are evident.
Bloody hand much more bloody...new blood angels may have been an inspiration.
Headdress is more warpstone, elegant, vs current boxey glyph look.
Lots of little details within the armor...it's hard to describe, but its a lot of small detail.
I'm told it will be able to be assembled in various poses, despite the detail.

This one is oversized, so its hard to just scale, but I'd guess he'll be about the same height as a wraithlord, maybe a touch bigger.

Enjoy.
Thanks to The Dude on Warseer for finding the original post.

[Defenestratus]

Has the man ever heard of a smartphone camera?

Sheesh.

Way to blueball us SM.

[eldargal]

Hehe, while I agree with the sentiment I'm not sure a picture of a kit or two would be worth Stickmonkey losing his job over.:)

[gresha]

I'm really happy to hear about an Avatar resculpt. I don't like the mini as is and I always felt he was to small.

What I'd really like to see is an Autarch kit. I remember Marines came out with the Commander Box and I was really excited to be able to get an Autarch box of similar fashion (plastic, lots of options to build him as you want). Instead we got the 2 or 3 metal blisters. Wouldn't mind seeing Exarch weapons either :D(wishful thinking).

[Defenestratus]

As much as I'm happy to hear about the Avatar, its jetbikes, wraithguard and warp spiders I'm more concerned about.

Also while the Phoenix Lords are still great models, some of them could use a resculpt (I'm looking at you, mister "pressed out of a thick sheet of metal" Asurmen, Fuegan and Baharroth)

More than new sculpts though, I would love re-rules on them so I could fit them in my lists.

[eldargal]

Agreed, jetbikes, warp spiders and wraithguard are the kits I'm most interested in too. I have both of the FW Avatars and a GW one so while I'll buy any new kit GW puts out it isn't something I desperately need.

I'm hoping the rumour of new sculpts for SCs means Phoenix Lords, honestly the onl SC model which doesn't need an update is Eldrad. A true classic that.

The little hints at Phoenix Lord buffs make me hopeful that they will be worth taking, Karandras giving +1S/A to all scorpions for example with perhaps an Autarch making them troops would be a nice combination.