XV22 Commander

[Panxer]

Does anyone know if the XV22 Tau commander rules are legal?

[DarkLink]

That's forgeworld, right? Then it's pretty much opponent's permission. Forgeworld's gotten a bit more official, but it's not widely accepted at tournaments yet.

[Charistoph]

What book has the Forgeworld rules for the XV-22? It's not like they currently sell the model. The only one I know of is Citadel's Shadowsun, which are as legal as Farsight is.

[Panxer]

Right. Shadowsun IS the XV22 but forgeworld has their own rules for a generic (non-shadowsun) model. I'm sure it's not 'legal' in tourney play (nothing fun usually is). I'm just wondering if it's 'legal' as a general principle a la forgeworld up date for Tau.

[Tynskel]

It isn't opponents permission. Forge world rules are totally legitamite. What are you gunna say? Sorry you cannot play with your awesome looking Elysian army! Nope, you cannot play your corsairs!

The permission stuff is silly. C model, c model with rules. Run, model, run!

[bfmusashi]

Hey Tynskel, maybe you should read the rulebook like your obnoxious thread suggests. Pg.2.

[LordGrise]

...Forgeworld has their own rules for a generic (non-shadowsun) model....

Uhm... could you please put the link up? I have the Tau update with the Tetra and the XV-81, -84, and -89 rules, but there's nothing about a generic Shadowsun suit...

[Tynskel]

Hey Tynskel, maybe you should read the rulebook like your obnoxious thread suggests. Pg.2.

Hey bfmusashi, you should read the ALL the rules, like my obnoxious thread states, and you would know that forgeworld doesn't need permissions.


On the another note:
Where are these x22 rules? I don't see them in the forgeworld tau FAQ, nor do I remember them being in the taros campaign book.

[bfmusashi]

Hey bfmusashi, you should read the ALL the rules, like my obnoxious thread states, and you would know that forgeworld doesn't need permissions.

Prove it. Find the passage and I will apologize. In the mean time, which I'm sure will be short as you are clearly a font of knowledge on the topic, your opponent has to agree to play you. Although they may smell like it, game stores are not dungeons and no one has to play with you.

[DrBored]

Calm down y'all. There's no place in the current 5th edition codex that explicitly says Forgeworld models are legal upon GW sanction. GW does sanction certain models and rules for use for the purpose of Tournament Organizer's ease.

Many casual games are ok with Forgeworld models and rules (I mean, you're playing with your friends, right?), but in tournaments, you have to clear the rules with the Tournament Organizer first. If they OK your list/models, then you're good to roll.

[daboarder]

Prove it. Find the passage and I will apologize. In the mean time, which I'm sure will be short as you are clearly a font of knowledge on the topic, your opponent has to agree to play you. Although they may smell like it, game stores are not dungeons and no one has to play with you.


And I quote: "this unit is intended to be used in standard games of warhammer 40000, within the usual limitations of codex selection and force organisation charts. As with all our models these should be considered 'Official'...

so sod of you ponsy. Further more any game and unit in the game is opponents permission, anyone is free to offer to play you only if you don't use X unit.

[Panxer]

I've found the rules at a number of different sites. Here are a couple. Upon reading it, I'm getting that these are 'play testing' rules?? Meh. Whatever. It still would be a fun unit to field.

http://www.heresy-online.net/forums/showthread.php?t=80817

http://forums.tauonline.org/house-rules/83885-xv22-commander-printable-playtesting-ensues.html

[DrLove42]

The original question was "Are these units legal"

If those are the rules then the answer is a big no, unless your opponent can say so

Its (looks) ntirely fan based, non certified fandex. Which is never really allowed. Things like the "Stalker Doctrine" really should have made that obvious.

So again its not playtesting - Just some fandex unit

[Charistoph]

FIRST: EVERY game is opponent's permission. Get that straight in your heads. You cannot force a person to play with you, EVER. So please keep that in mind. That goes for Citadel as well as Forgeworld models. One can choose not to play with someone for fielding a Storm Raven as a Storm Eagle.


And I quote: "this unit is intended to be used in standard games of warhammer 40000, within the usual limitations of codex selection and force organisation charts. As with all our models these should be considered 'Official'...


Quote what? You didn't reference what you were quoting.

The question still stands on which Forgeworld book/pdf has the rules for the 'basic' XV-22 (a basic prototype, what?). If you cannot answer this, please leave off on the name calling and improper quotations, please.

[DrLove42]

There is no XV-22. The ONLY rules that exist for it are in Shadowsuns entry in the codex. The original poster is reading a fandex

As for the FW quote....the front page of IA11 - The Doom of Mymera has the following on it; Imperial Armour Apocolypse Version 2 also says the same thing

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/2012-05-07180813.jpg

[bfmusashi]

Now that it's been proven that permission is required I kind of want my status changed to "Sod of Ponsy."

[Charistoph]

There is no XV-22. The ONLY rules that exist for it are in Shadowsuns entry in the codex. The original poster is reading a fandex

As for the FW quote....the front page of IA11 - The Doom of Mymera has the following on it; Imperial Armour Apocolypse Version 2 also says the same thing

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/2012-05-07180813.jpg

That's a good quote.

But unfortunately, has nothing to do with the actual topic of this discussion since it is not referencing the unit entry that states that the XV-22 Commander unit is a Warhammer 40K unit. So daboarder is massively misquoting and misrepresenting.

[DrLove42]

That's a good quote.

But unfortunately, has nothing to do with the actual topic of this discussion since it is not referencing the unit entry that states that the XV-22 Commander unit is a Warhammer 40K unit. So daboarder is massively misquoting and misrepresenting.

Actually its very relevant as the topic has moved onto whether you need permission to use FW rules in games. Hes not just misquoting. He quoted the first part correctly. What he missed was the part that disproved him

And about the Xv-22 Jesus ...I've posted it three times now

I'll make this nice and clear

THERE IS NO XV-22 SUIT RULES. THE ONLY RULES FOR IT ARE THOSE OF COMMANDER SHADOWSUN IN THE DEX. SHE IS THE ONLY MODEL WHO CAN USE IT. NO ONE CAN PRODUCE REAL RULES FOR IT, ONLY THOSE FROM A FANDEX. ERGO IT IS NOT REAL. THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO IT IN ANY FW OR GW BOOK

[bfmusashi]

It's gonna be okay Doc. It's gonna be okay.

[Charistoph]

Actually its very relevant as the topic has moved onto whether you need permission to use FW rules in games. Hes not just misquoting. He quoted the first part correctly. What he missed was the part that disproved him

Sorry, I was putting the wrong person down, it was Tynskel who attributed the base XV-22 as being a Forgeworld model and rules. Since there is none, that line of thought is a thread derrailment, and not a full part of the discussion. I wasn't questioning the rule itself, just its attribution to a unit not known to be Forgeworld's.


And about the Xv-22 Jesus ...I've posted it three times now

I'll make this nice and clear

THERE IS NO XV-22 SUIT RULES. THE ONLY RULES FOR IT ARE THOSE OF COMMANDER SHADOWSUN IN THE DEX. SHE IS THE ONLY MODEL WHO CAN USE IT. NO ONE CAN PRODUCE REAL RULES FOR IT, ONLY THOSE FROM A FANDEX. ERGO IT IS NOT REAL. THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO IT IN ANY FW OR GW BOOK

I wasn't necessarily asking YOU to prove it, only those who ascribed it as a Forgeworld unit to prove it. And that's all I was ever asking.

[Panxer]

Seriously? All of this for a legality of a HQ unit in question?

I did some more research, and apparently, it's a unit from one of the imperial armor books for use in apocalypse games. No biggie.

You're not going to get this character approved for tourney play (that's ok, I avoid those like vampires avoid sunlight), but if you allow your buddy to play it in a 'friendly' game, then go for it! It's not a super unit or anything, though it would be interesting to field just to see what a unit of an XV22 and 2 XV25's both with plasma rifles or meltas could do.

Meh. Time to move on and start a flame war on Dakka...