More Flyer details from BoW

[eldargal]

That’s right guys… Tonight’s show is all about the new… wait for it… Space Marine Stormtalon… the Necron Doom & Night Scythes… plus the new Ork Biltza-Bommer, Dakkajet and Burna-Bommer! and we expect these bad boys to hit the shelves, perhaps around June 2nd?

From here (http://www.beastsofwar.com/warhammer-40k/turn-8-tonight-new-40k-flyers/), some podcast thing or something

[lattd]

Sounds interesting. I want Eldar and tau fliers and probably will add a SM for both marines and wolves, maybe add a storm raven for my grey knights.

[DrLove42]

The 2nd june parties are for the First birthday of Finecast. Least thats what my manager says. But he holding an "Orktion"....

[DrBored]

Awesome, more Storm(bird here)'s.

Can't wait for my Stormseagull. It drops flamer templates over things it passes over. Oh, or the Stormflamingo. It has extra long landing gear so you can draw LOS to more things.

Really was hoping for the Dark Eldar Voidraven Bomber...

[david5th]

StormPheasant - randomly rams vehicles.

[Kawauso]

They're supposed to be in another flyer wave closer to 6th Edition's release, if I remember another rumour correctly, aren't they?

This is the first wave of flyers with another coming either at the end of June or start of July...somewhere in there.

[Defenestratus]

StormPheasant - randomly rams vehicles.

StormOsprey

Attacks any nearby boats.

[Kaika87]

Stormpidgeon - spawns more Stormpidgeons when your opponent looks away from it.

[eldargal]

StormGrouse, on a roll of 4+ gets shot and eaten by EldarGal. Same applies to StormPheasant come to think of it.

[DrLove42]

StormDodo - Flightless aircraft. Dies really easily.

StormAlbatross - Good luck charm to the army. But also presents a really big target.

StormMagpie. - Only attacks shiny metal looking models

[Deadlift]

Stormtit, huge bomb bay doors.

Storm chicken, even with the cockpit destroyed is able to fly for another 20 mins but in random directions.

[Defenestratus]

You know whats sad is that we're getting all hot and bothered for what is likely in reality going to be just a rebadged stormraven just the same way an Escalade is a rebadged Suburban.

[Dalleron]

Nah, i think everyone is getting all hot for making Storm(birdname)

So I'll throw my hat in the game too

StormPenguin, cuz they can't actually fly, but will be a great submersive vehicle. So we'll make it fly too.

[Levitas]

The blood angels will rename it anyway, to the storm, bloody blood-blood. And the space wolves will call it the Storm wolfy wolf-wulfen.

In the grim darkness of the far future there is no creative names...

[DrLove42]

Storm Turkey - Only used in a game once a year. Twice if you're American

[Kaika87]

I guess we shouldn't be too surprised. I mean look at the naming conventions for the IG super-heavies:

Baneblade
Banehammer
Banesword
Shadowsword
Stormsword
Stormlord
Hellhammer
Doomhammer

A little more vareity, but still all pretty close.

[Chris Copeland]

StormGrackle: for the player who NEVER SHUTS UP... I hate it when the grackles come to town... seriously...

[Wildeybeast]

The ultimate GW selling device - the StormCuckoo. After deployment you randomly choose a vehicle from your opponents army, knock it off the table onto the floor and smash it to pieces before replacing it with your new flyer model.

[TSINI]

StormWoodpecker, don't leave it on your gaming table for too long. Unless its a fancy plastic R.O.B

[Jobu]

Stormswallow
two variants : african and european
Neither can carry space marines.

[TSINI]

Stormswallow
two variants : african and european
Neither can carry space marines.

Where is the "like" button Dammit!

[DrLove42]

Stormswallow
two variants : african and european
Neither can carry space marines.

Can they carry one between them on a rope?

[TSINI]

From my brother:

StormOstrich - fast unit, especially when taxiing, dive bombs sandy terrain.

[L192837465]

Stormpenguin: Can't fly, isn't a skimmer. Moves like infantry, can't run. Amphibious. Has a flamer template that can only shoot out of the back of the model.

[SotonShades]

StormBluebird. Can only move over white cliffs during the 1940's

StormRobin. Only really visible because of it's brightly coloured underside, so gets a 2+ cover save unless the model firing model is directly underneath.

StormOwl. Can only be used when Nightfight is in play.

[Kaika87]

I'm watching the Beasts of War livefeed now. What they're saying is this release will contain the two Necron Scythes, three Ork fliers, and the Space Marine flier.

Ork Fliers:
Dakkajet
BS 2
10/10/10
Twin-linked Dakka Guns
Aerial Assault
Supersonic
Waaagh! plane - can fire twice in the turn you call Waaagh!
Strafing Run - BS 3 vs everything but jump infantry and skimmers
Fighta Ace upgrade - BS 3 against everything

Blitza-Bomba
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/kaika87/BlitzaBomba.jpg

Burna-Bomba
BS 2
10/10/10
Aerial Assault
Supersonic
Waaagh! plane - can fire twice in the turn you call Waaagh!
Burna Bomb - Similar to a Scorcha (S5 AP4)
S7 AP1 bomb in the movement phase?
Burna Missile - S5 AP4 small blast, ignores cover, one use
Grot gunner on one weapon


Space Marine Fliers:
Storm Talon Gunship - 130 points
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i285/kaika87/Stormtalon.jpg
BS 4
11/11/11
Supersonic
Aerial Assault
Ceramite Plating
Escort Craft - Attach the Storm Talon to a unit in reserves to deep strike, and it automatically arrives from reserve 6" away from the deep striking unit
---Specific caveat banning you from attaching the Stormtalon to another Stormtalon in reserve
Special rule where it can hover in place for a turn to gain BS 5
--No Transport Capacity--
--No Melta weapons or flamers--
Twin-linked heavy bolters, can upgrade to twin-linked Lascannon
Twin-linked assault cannon
Potential upgrade to add Typhoon missiles
Skyhammer Missiles S7 AP 4

[TheStarkLord]

Storm ostrich can partially bury cockpit to gain
4+ invuln save. Obviously can not move while doing this.

[Slacker]

Stormturkey - squadron of three Stormstrikes in a row, rare but worth a lot of points.

[harveydent]

Stormturkey - squadron of three Stormstrikes in a row, rare but worth a lot of points.

stormstorm - squadron of three squadrons!

[Morgan Darkstar]

Storm Seagull - Nicks Your Chips! (Fries if across the pond)

[Defenestratus]

Space Marine Fliers:
Storm Talon Gunship - 130 points
BS 4
11/11/11
Supersonic
Aerial Assault
Ceramine Plating
Escort Craft - Attach the Storm Talon to a unit in reserves to deep strike, and it automatically arrives from reserve 6" away from the deep striking unit
---Specific caveat banning you from attaching the Stormtalon to another Stormtalon in reserve
Special rule where it can hover in place for a turn to gain BS 5
--No Transport Capacity--
--No Melta weapons or flamers--
Twin-linked heavy bolters, can upgrade to twin-linked Lascannon
Twin-linked assault cannon
Potential upgrade to add Typhoon missiles
Skyhammer Missiles S7 AP 4

So the stormtalon is between a glorified land speeder and a sucky storm raven.

[Kawauso]

I love it. :D
Think I'll have to get a StormTalon or two to provide fire support for some of my Tac Squads coming in by Drop Pod.

Can't wait to see the pics of these models!

[woodenronin]

I think the 11 av is weak for a marine gunship. Still friggin sweet.

[harveydent]

I think the 11 av is weak for a marine gunship. Still friggin sweet.

yeah, it's pretty weak for 130. i would rather have two razorbacks for that price.

the only reason i would use it is with the single first turn drop pod... but who knows if the DS rules will change for 6th?! i'm assuming that if these models are releasing in june, they are going to be out in time for 6th, which means that 6th will have some new, juicy flyer stuff.

[Wildcard]

AV 11 all around.. that means that only the most basic infantry weapons cant harm it, also, no mention of the machine spirit - what conclusions can you make from that..

Don't know the vanilla codex that well, but it feels like that whatever slot it will occupy, there will be serious competition, and little reason to grab one, even for 130 points..

And with the upgrades to make it actually usefull, but no point costs yet, it will be hard to think any viable role for it..

All the sudden that 200points for stormraven seems like a bargain :P

Also, for the ork fighters, i can hardly fathom what are they going to be good against, plus what role would they possibly fill at that dex.. Burna things are good against hordes it would seem, but honestly, when has orks have had any trouble dealing with hordes anyway?

Oh, and StormPterosaur: Dies to extinction on the late 2nd turn due the massive meteorite bombardment, each StormPterosaurs attract d3 10" S10 AP1 meteors to the table quarter they are in. These meteors scatter full 3d6 to the direction of the arrow.

/Edit

Just came to my mind about the "leaked 6th ed": Wasn't there some multitargeting- rule, that gave really grand amount of those multitargeting- points for flyers / gunships?
Like " I just flew at supersonic 36" speed and can still shoot all my weapons at a different targets.."

Unless ofc, someone have inside knowledge that those multitargeting rules are going to be left out..

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[Defenestratus]

All the sudden that 200points for stormraven seems like a bargain :P

I took a look at the storm eagle and said that to myself. The storm raven is looking like a serious bargain now.

[Father]

Storm Talon looks pretty crap indeed. I dunno, maybe 6th will make flyiers unkillable... even then...

[bobrunnicles]

StormMagpie. - Only attacks shiny metal looking models

So...Preferred Enemy (Grey Knights)?

I'll take two thanks, lol :).

[Limey El'Jonson]

StormSeagull. Can be used to claim objectives, but the player must repeatedly shout MINE! MINE! MINE! When the unit is within 3" of the objective

[Limey El'Jonson]

Stormswallow
two variants : african and european
Neither can carry space marines.

It might be possible if a pair of Stormswallows did so, using a length of plasteel vine attached to the dorsal guiding assemblies.

[dietrich43]

StormQuail. If fielded in an army with a vice president, it suffers a penetrating hit before the movement phase of turn 1.

[DrBored]

Let me just say, that for everyone that posted Storm(birdname) jokes.. I love you all. You made my day!

Secondly, the pictures that BoW posted seem pretty nice, all things considered. The Stormtalon looks like a true gunship instead of a flying refridgerator! We'll see how well that translates.

Also, I would not be sad to see 'Power of the Machine Spirit' go away. It's broken as is. "Oh yeah, let me just blaze my flier 24 to 36 inches across the board behind all your vehicles and twin-linked melta-gun everything. Or, let me just get in range of your vulnerable doods and shoot them with my twin-linked assault cannon. That's right, AND I get a 4+ (or 3+ for Grey Knights) cover save after that! Deal with it."

[CrimsonTurkey]

StormHornbill - Lands on top of rhinos and repairs paint damage.

[eldargal]

Neat, so Marines latest toy might not be overpowered/underpriced? What are GW thinking.:rolleyes:

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Stormhummingbird - So quick that your enemy has trouble seeing it, 2+ Invun save from ANYTHING. Occasionally just stops and sucks on plants.

Stormangrybird - Comes in 6 colours. Only in use by the ANGRY MARINES, it dive bombs into Orks and has various detrimental effects dependant on colour.

[DrLove42]

I actually like the look of the marine sketch. Looks familair (sure i've seen something very familiar in a movie somewhere) but it looks kinda hunched, over, insectoid predator. And like an actual gunship.

And as an Aerospace engineer....theres even a chance it might fly!

The rules arnn't that bad for its points. Its 30 points more than a Ravager, except its not open topped, it can accuratly deepstrike with other units, has 2 twinlinked weapons and is immune to melta (cos needing a 3 on 2D6 would be mean...). And its a flier obviously for when 6th edition

[fuzzbuket]

anyway my thoughts about the new marine bird? *not female space marines for us in scotland* frankly it looks horrible, but i think its because it dosnt look like it could stay in the air for 2 secs.... what it needs is some big jets like so:

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQIC_O5iVm73Xq54bQBWepS4xkPM8BZi MAvurtSEqsW9ct3GvCP


Stormpidgeon - spawns more Stormpidgeons when your opponent looks away from it.

genius :D


The ultimate GW selling device - the StormCuckoo. After deployment you randomly choose a vehicle from your opponents army, knock it off the table onto the floor and smash it to pieces before replacing it with your new flyer model.

:D dear mods we need a like button, NOW :D

[Wildcard]

Now that i've had a moment to let the info sink in:


Twin-linked heavy bolters, can upgrade to twin-linked Lascannon
Twin-linked assault cannon
Potential upgrade to add Typhoon missiles
Skyhammer Missiles S7 AP 4

It isn't clear to me if those Skyhammer Missiles were one-shot missiles (and how many are there) or a weapon of choice like the rest of the listed weapons. For the sake of this post, i am gonna assume them to be 4x one-shot missiles

Now, with the special rule to hover on the spot for a turn to get BS5, that would mean:
1x TL Lascannon
2x Krak Missile (from typhoon ML)
1-4 Skyhammer Missiles

All hitting on a 2+ :)

Seems like its a deepstriking / alpha strike last resort when you absolutely need to harm that vehicle / MC :)

That kind of firepower in one salvo will seriously threaten most MCs easily forcing them to take armor saves / invu saves / cover saves, or best case scenario, no saves for it to take at all!

3 shots that needs 2+ to hit, 2+ to wound and ignore armor from most MCs
Add up to 4x 2+ to hit, 2-3+ to wound AP4 shots and that MC is most likely going down :)

[RealGenius]

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/19946464.jpg

I actually like the Storm Talon look. It reminds me of something that would get corrupted by chaos and have a bunch of baby Blight Drones.

[sorienor]

Stormduck - It uses botox around the access points.

[DrLove42]

StormSwan. All Owned by the Emperor. To kill one is Treason

Maybe realised what the marine flier looks like;

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/terminator05-hunterkiller.jpg

[SotonShades]

Stormthrush. Female players get extremely uncomfortable around it and automatically lose the game (sorry eldargirl!)

Stormblackbird. Gets a huge bonus against the enemy HQ when you bake 4 and 20 in some form of confectionary.


I'm really not sold on the Stormtallon to be honest. I've got a feeling that night change when I see an actual model rather than just the sketch. As for rules... fairly average I guess. Not going to make me go out and buy a load.

The orks? Well I've all ready got a couple of converted Fighta-Bommas. That said, if the new models are nice I'll probably get a few (converted to Koptas, naturally!) I don't like the fighta ace thing though. Orks should not be BS3. That does make me a little suspicious of these rules to be honest. Don't mind the BS3 straffing run so much, but only if it turns out to be a once per game thing. If an ork can be BS3 while flying an aircraft, why couldn't Lootas or Flash Gitz? or Nobs, Big Meks or Warbosses for that matter?

[Wolfshade]

StormMagpie. Squadron 1-10, special rules based on the size of the flock in line of sight

[RFHolloway]

storm pheonix - any SM flier crewed by necrons.

[bob sprocket]

StormDove: doesn't want to fight anymore

[isotope99]

Storm Owl: Fires normally during night fight butr has to use the nightfight rules during the day.

The sketch looks like a helicopter without the rotors to me.

[Defenestratus]

The sketch looks like a helicopter without the rotors to me.

I thought it looked kind of like an apache with no rotor too.

And rotating engine nacelles.

[Kawauso]

Agreed. That's what I like about it.

Need one or two close-support gunships for my vanilla Marines. :)

[robrodgers46]

Stormbudgie: It sits on the tele.

StormNorwegianBlue: It looks like it has been shot down, but it hasn't, it's just pinin' for the fjords.

Stormfoo: If the Stormfoo sh*ts, wear it.

OK. I'm believing the models, but the rules don't look right.

R

[Dlatrex]

StormSwan. All Owned by the Emperor. To kill one is Treason

Maybe realised what the marine flier looks like;

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/terminator05-hunterkiller.jpg

There are a variety of VTOL concept craft that have this general design. The earliest one I can think of (in mainstream) was back in the original C&C

http://bnbgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/CnC_1204_02.jpg

[Nosmo75]

StormRilk: A migratory gunship from the north icy shores of Fenris. Its main distinguishing feature is that flies backwards to keep the shi-... the snow off of its' windows. =P

[MarneusCalgar]

I love the Space Marines one...

But only one question, Blood Angels and Grey Knights also can have access to it? Because they also have the Raven, don´t they?

[Kawauso]

Not sure, but I'm pretty certain the whole point of releasing the StormTalon is so that all the non-GK/BA Marines get a flyer of some sort.

[Archon]

So much Storms here - feels like Spamstorm:eek:

[DrLove42]

I guess the Stormthing will be Codex Marines, Wolves & BTonly, maybe and DA as well, depending on dar off their codex is. Give every marine acess to one flier option (although that said Necs and DE have 2 so GK and BA could get acess as well.)

As a selling point all can probably take it to help GW sell more kits.

[Wildcard]

Funny thing how first there were lots of uproaring about EA copying GW vehicles: Baneblade and ork rolla-tank.. Later EA staid that those were inside scetches, never to be released to the public.

And now we see GW releasing flyer that looks just like the C&C Orca (iirc)

Funny aint it? :D

[Kawauso]

Funny thing how first there were lots of uproaring about EA copying GW vehicles: Baneblade and ork rolla-tank.. Later EA staid that those were inside scetches, never to be released to the public.

And now we see GW releasing flyer that looks just like the C&C Orca (iirc)

Funny aint it? :D

Except it doesn't look just like it.

From the sketch it looks like a Stormraven, shortened to remove the transport capacity, with VTOL thrusters on the sides and more nose-mounted armament.

The EA incident you're referring to were direct rip-offs of GW models (though I would have, and did, defend the Baneblade one until the Ork vehicle surfaced, because GW does not have a monopoly on 'big WW2-looking tanks with lots of guns').

[stoksey]

I cannot wait to see these stormtalons released, I love the idea of gunships in 40k. If my Flesh Tearers cant field them legally, and the models are as good looking as the sketch, I'm sure I could convert them and field them as some sort of Landspeeder.

[Ouroboros]

My Craftworld army full of fast skimmers feels so incredibly special right now. :mad:

[Kawauso]

My Craftworld army full of fast skimmers feels so incredibly special right now. :mad:

It should.

Aside from DE, I don't think there's any other army that can bring as many fast skimmers to bear.

Even when everyone gets a flyer, Eldar (both varieties) are going to remain kings/queens of the fast skimmers.

Actually, the only army that I think is going to get the short end of the stick here is Tyranids...I really hope something happens to the rules for winged MCs...and MCs in general.

[eldargal]

More flyer rumours:

To feed some actual rumors in here.

Wave 1 in june is as bow has revealed. But i am expecting the de bomber before end of summer along with a tau and chaos sm flyer. The csm flyer is likely w the codex so the other two may have "something" with them.

The tau flyer as ive heard from 3 sources is named after a snake, not a fish. Has a networked marker light like item/weapon that can stack. 4 missiles. Options for rail guns or some gattling cannons. No transport.

Orks still have another flyer that is ready for release. And its in the codex.

Eldar get nothing until their codex. As others have stated.

Tyranids harpy has been done fore some time, but its looking like itll be held onto for a while longer. Rumor is another nid wave release with the spore later...

So Voidraven sooner rather than later, yay! I'm also pleased about waiting for Eldar flyers, attaching shiny new kits to the current 6 year old codex would be stupid, it is really showing its age.

[Wildcard]

Has a networked marker light like item/weapon that can stack. 4 missiles. Options for rail guns or some gattling cannons.

I am not that familiar with the Tau weaponry. How does this sound like in power compared to other flyers (both existing and rumoured ones)?

Also, what about the prowess of the flyer in general, when you think of the tau vehicle upgrades? I've in belief that they are rather good (at range atleast)? Even tho they might work differently / be rewritten to be something else in the 6th ed / next tau dex...

Help me out a bit, will ya :)

/EDIT

Oh, and isn't the twin linked dakka gun a bit low power weapon for the ork fighter? S5 AP5 assault 3 if i remember right. Ofc there is no info about the pointcosts and if there is an ability to squadron them, but still, rather narrow the field of usefullness nevertheless?

EDIT/

[Lane]

StormGrackle - stationary vehicles get re painted with white splotches on top.

[DrLove42]

I am not that familiar with the Tau weaponry. How does this sound like in power compared to other flyers (both existing and rumoured ones)?

Also, what about the prowess of the flyer in general, when you think of the tau vehicle upgrades? I've in belief that they are rather good (at range atleast)? Even tho they might work differently / be rewritten to be something else in the 6th ed / next tau dex...

Help me out a bit, will ya :)

/EDIT

Oh, and isn't the twin linked dakka gun a bit low power weapon for the ork fighter? S5 AP5 assault 3 if i remember right. Ofc there is no info about the pointcosts and if there is an ability to squadron them, but still, rather narrow the field of usefullness nevertheless?

EDIT/

Tau weaponary....seeker missiles are a one shot S 8 AP4 shot that can only be fired at markerlighted targets. So theyre amissile launcher you have to roll twice to hit (once with a markerlight, and again with the missile)

Rail guns are either the S10 AP1 one everyone loves, or the S7 AP3 rail rifles the snipers carry.

The gatli.g guns new though.

[Cpt Codpiece]

i found this little pic, while flicking through the old RT book. could'nt help but think of the proposed SM gunship :)

i dub thee the storm budgie, a small agile gunship that emits an ear piercing screech every few seconds
2025

[Prodigalson]

First, it may not have seeker missiles. It may have a new type.

If it has a rail gun, that is pretty powerful. We have to hope that it is a fast attack choice in the book. Tau desperately need heavy weapon access in locations that are not heavy support.

[Ryar]

Yay for Tau getting some lovin! here's hoping that sucker is loaded down with some str 8!

[Lucian Kain]

I'm surprised no-one has added

the ****storm

nuff said

[Morgan Darkstar]

But that doesn't have Storm at the front :p

[Wolfrahm]

More flyer rumours:


So Voidraven sooner rather than later, yay! I'm also pleased about waiting for Eldar flyers, attaching shiny new kits to the current 6 year old codex would be stupid, it is really showing its age.


I got tired of waiting for the void raven so I made my own using 2 razorwings. I would love to see what GW puts out but the likelyhood of me buying now is very slim. Here's pics of mine.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll62/DeathbyDread/vdtop.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll62/DeathbyDread/vdb1.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll62/DeathbyDread/vdrw.jpg

[Brandoncbaker]

Looks great!!!! All ready to strike some fear in your opponents.

[MajorWesJanson]

Back half of that is pretty much right, going by the concept art. Looks nice

[eldargal]

That is very impressive.:) Personally I prefer to scratchbuild (or heavily convert) terrain rather than vehicles so I won't be going down that path. I certainly wouldn't object if the official kit looked just like that. 'cept maybe bigger.:rolleyes:

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Wow, that bomber is just beautiful, I love teh conversion, must have taken a lot of GS work to smooth it over.

[MajorWesJanson]

That is very impressive.:) Personally I prefer to scratchbuild (or heavily convert) terrain rather than vehicles so I won't be going down that path. I certainly wouldn't object if the official kit looked just like that. 'cept maybe bigger.:rolleyes:

IIRC, the fuselage is slightly wider, and the nose is not a second cockpit, but a sort of dome that sticks out forward in place of the tuning fork. Also a bit smoother lines, and decent sized canards, larger than this model. I also want to say the cockpit is up slightly further towards the nose, but I'm remembering a picture I saw last year.