Adepticon 40K Championships Results - Final 16

[Loken]

Day 1 results on Apocalypse40K:

http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2012/04/adepticon-40k-championship-results-day.html (Day 1 results on my site: http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.com/2012/04/adepticon-40k-championship-results-day.html Alec)

Alec

[DarkLink]

I wonder why it's surprising that there are several ork players in the top 10. Apparently someone hasn't been paying attention to any of the major tournaments for the last couple of years:p.

But, yeah, about what I expected. Lots of GKs because they're the most recent codex. Top ten has a couple SW, GKs, Orks and several miscellaneous armies which is pretty much the norm lately.

[Necron_Lord]

I wonder why it's surprising that there are several ork players in the top 10. Apparently someone hasn't been paying attention to any of the major tournaments for the last couple of years:p.

But, yeah, about what I expected. Lots of GKs because they're the most recent codex. Top ten has a couple SW, GKs, Orks and several miscellaneous armies which is pretty much the norm lately.

Necrons are more current than GK actually.

[Mr.Pickelz]

Still glad to see the ork armies do well. :D
Waaagh!

[eldargal]

11 of the 16 are Space Marines, it would be interesting to know what the breakdown of armies overall was. Pleased to see one Eldar player in the top 16, surprised at the lack of Dark Eldar especially with so many GK, all teh DE players I know including myseld do very well against GK.

Anyone stil at Adepticon could you do me a big favour and snap some decent photos of the Commoragh terrain board in the Team Tourney section? I've only seen a single blurry pic and I'd like to see how they did it and what the quality is like.

[Prodigalson]

Dark Eldar can't win due to the way the tournament missions are written. Adepticon has started to shift toward the same type of format that Nova uses, which is all three of the book missions in play. Dark Eldar are not any good at kill points, so they lose those, then have to try and get multiple objectives and the capture and control. Add on to this that GK's are better in hth and also at shooting, and it's a bad match up in tournament.

I did a discussion of this on my blog. http://bloodofkittens.com/prodigalsonhobbyblog/2011/11/28/prediction-dark-eldar-will-not-win-adepticon/

[MarneusCalgar]

It is surprisingly amazing that, despite being older than others... Orks are still winning and being among the top on tournaments all around the world

[Prodigalson]

Orks are a really well made codex. You have to to survive the test of time like that.

All Hail the Church of Kelly! (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CEUQFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbloodofkittens.com%2Fchurchofkell y%2F&ei=w8qVT_fADan26AHCusCNBA&usg=AFQjCNGSFQAcjH_zfC14MRsqUnAFMUZGzw)

[DarkLink]

I've never even come close to losing to DE. The closest was against webway portal lists with bunches of nasty stuff hidden in reserve with a huge charge range, but against every other DE list I just roll dice and my opponent removes models.


Necrons are more current than GK actually.

I know, but no one seems to be adopting them like with most new codices. Dunno why.

[scadugenga]

To hazard a guess, it would be that undead robots just don't have the sci-fi appeal of power armor, massed infantry, howling greenskins or kick-arse space elves (of snobby, or evil tendencies).

Not to mention the evil crazy power armor bad guys. Those too.

[eldargal]

With GK? That is odd, I have the reverse experience, I tend to do better against GK with DE than I do against Mech IG or even some Necron lists.

I've never even come close to losing to DE. The closest was against webway portal lists with bunches of nasty stuff hidden in reserve with a huge charge range, but against every other DE list I just roll dice and my opponent removes models.

[the jeske]

I know, but no one seems to be adopting them like with most new codices. Dunno why.
hard to get your hands on scarabs from a just gaming point of view .

[Rapture]

I know, but no one seems to be adopting them like with most new codices. Dunno why.
I think people must like having an army with fortitude/I6 troops/NFW/silly grenades/s8 autocannons/stupid cheap scoring transports/assault+heavy weapons/purifying flame. With so many people investing in GK (both time and money), the next codex was bound to suffer a little.

[bfmusashi]

I don't trust the filthy xenos.

[DarkLink]

With GK? That is odd, I have the reverse experience, I tend to do better against GK with DE than I do against Mech IG or even some Necron lists.

I'm not sure exactly what it is, I've just played against a wide variety of lists with a wide variety of lists and I've basically never even had to try. I just keep my army bundled together front and center and march to the center field shooting, suck up a round or two of venom/dark lance fire and then shoot everything to death. Whether they try and trickle in from reserves, or bum-rush me all at once, it doesn't seem to matter. I'm not sure exactly what it is. Maybe it's just the unique combo of units that I like to take just happens to work particularly well against DE since I don't do a lot of the common GK lists like Purifier spam, henchmen spam or Driagowing.

The closest game was against a WWP list with several large units of beasts. One came out of reserve and actually killed my 10 Terminators and Grand Master in assault, but I tied them up with a psyrifle Dread that they couldn't hurt. The other unit came in and I did the same thing. So I did actually have to work to win that one by tying up those units, but other than that one game I've never had any trouble. Neither I nor some of my friends, most of whom are top ranked 40k players on the west coast, can figure out exactly why, but none of us have been that impressed with competitive DE.

[Levitas]

11 of the 16 are Space Marines, it would be interesting to know what the breakdown of armies overall was. Pleased to see one Eldar player in the top 16, surprised at the lack of Dark Eldar especially with so many GK, all teh DE players I know including myseld do very well against GK.

Anyone stil at Adepticon could you do me a big favour and snap some decent photos of the Commoragh terrain board in the Team Tourney section? I've only seen a single blurry pic and I'd like to see how they did it and what the quality is like.

Me too, I do ok against GKs depending on who goes first and how awake my opponent is. I'm not so sure how good a tournament army DE are though, one bad turn can ruin a game quickly. Hoping Warcon has more pointy eared shenanigans to dodge and weave to the top.

[Caldera02]

You see this is why I choose not to play my DE at adepticon this year. I knew that half of the field or more would be Gay Knights. It really is a bad matchup against competant opponents. I had WAY more fun playing warmachine all weekend!!!! :P

[Denied]

I think it really matters on the list build and the play skill of each person when you go DE VS GK. Against my Purifiers list (woot I made it to the top 8 this year!!! ) It is going to wreck a DE players day especially if they are Venom spam. TL Str6 shots are coming out my ears and those paper bags with anti grav will drop like flies. On the opposite side take venom spam against a Draigo wing list and they large volume of DE fire will cause enough wounds to ruin Draigo and crew.

I was honestly a little disappointing I didn't get to play against any DE this year. Instead I was stuck paired against 2 CSM and 2 GK's (both pally/ termie heavy lists) in the first day and then I got to play Bill Kim's Daemons (fun game and I got lucky with his reserve rolls) Then it was back to none stop GK players as I finished my day playing 3 different GK varieties.

The funny thing is GK's VS GK's tends to be very one sided and it really depends on who can position themselves well for the charge. I was not expecting to see as many GK players this year. I though Necrons would go the distance since Wraith Spam is just insanely over powered. Like 18 models that are fearless with 2 wounds 18" charge range that ignores ALL terrain a 3+ invo and Str 6 rending swings in CC. Like WTF they are only 35pts a piece too.