Who will ultimately prevail?

[Levitas]

In the galactic race for survival and supremacy, who will ultimately prevail? And in what order do you think the races would be wiped out?

Will the Tyranids consume everything?
Will the Necrons rebuild their empire?
Will Chaos consume all?
Will Humanity endure?
Will the Eldar regain their grip?
The Tau Empire?
What about the Orks?

Place your bets and share your theories? Mayans welcome.

[mjasghar]

Silly.
The Emperasque will triumph!

[Anggul]

Well presumably all will end with the Rhana Dandra, but in the meantime who knows? Half of the current more 'important' races could die out to be replaced by entirely different ones. It's never been said when the Rhana Dandra is supposed to take place, nor that it definitely will at all. Even if one of the races does win out against most of the others, eventually they will probably pass on and a new race will take their place.

[Saint_Anger]

IMHO, from words that the Golden Throne is starting to malfunction, I think the Imperium will surely fall, and Chaos will consume them all including the dying Eldar and the scatterd Necron will not be able to stop Chaos Force. However, without emotions of the living like men & eldar, the Chaos Gods will surely die. The Tyranids will stop coming to the Milky Way Galaxy, assuming that they come here because the light of the golden throne, but the already-here Tyranids will consume whatever they face until the last of them die. What is left would be Ork, Tau, and all Eldars living in the webway.

[Wildeybeast]

Nids or Necrons.
Humanity - beset on all sides and purely on the defensive.
Chaos - reliant on emotions, Nids & crons have none and eat/kill everything that does.
Orks - Could win easily if they stopped fighting each other. But they won't
Eldar - been a dying race for a long time and nothing in the fluff suggests that is likely to change.
Tau - a tiny and insignificant empire, just one of dozens of alien races carving a niche for themselves. Given enough time, their technology could surpass both Eldar and Necrons and make them the dominant race, but I doubt they will get that time. they also appear immune to the corruption of Choas due to being psycically inert.

[inquisitorsog]

My theory (Based somewhat on fluff, but not really):

The Tau will almost certainly get emasculated as an empire by the nids if not wiped out all together. Orks and humans will combine to crush them into irrelevance if the nids don't finish them.

The Eldar/DE will die out eventually. Nothing prevents that, it's just a matter of how long it takes.

Necrons are awaking at the same time the nids are invading. It's not a coincidence. The nids bring excess life into the galaxy, the necrons are out to harvest that energy. The nids are the penultimate form of life, the necrons are not a target of the nids as there's no meat on their bones (sorry), meaning the necrons wipe out the nids (with an assist from the Orks and humies). With the nid threat dealt with, galactic levels of life energy plummet and the Necrons go back into dormancy. In short, the necron threat will eventually burn itself out.

Chaos can never win. Once it starts winning too much, there's not the people left to generate the emotion that powers chaos. It can only exist in some level of equilibrium with the materium. It never completely loses, but never completely wins either.

Humanity goes through big blow ups every 5000 years or so. M41 going into M42 is just a period leading to one of those blow ups. The Emperor being held on the throne is actually a detriment to him. If the throne fails, he dies, but reincarnates as the Star Child. Not that it won't wreak havoc on the Imperium, but humanity survives and remains a player.

Orks, like Chaos, end up existing at some level of equilibrium with humanity. There is no win. Any of the three factions devolve into sub factions as soon as it starts to get an upper hand giving the other two factions room to rebuild.

In the grim dark future, the players may change, but there still is only war.

[Necron2.0]

GW wins.

All the galactic powers remain in a constant stalemate, unless their army becomes unprofitable to the "Overminds of the Plastic Crack", at which point they are eaten by the 'Nids and/or slaughtered by the 'Crons. In the grim darkness of the FLGS, there is only WAR!

[MaltonNecromancer]

In the grim darkness of the FLGS, there is only WAR!


This. The war is perpetual - no-one can/will ever win.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

On the note of "Chaos will destroy itself" - the minions of Chaos empower Chaos even more than non-Chaos - an angry Khornate Lord empowers Khorne more than an equally angry Black Templar.

If Chaos won, there'd be massive infighting between the winners and the Chaos Gods would thrive. A big Tzeentch vs. Khorne vs. Nurgle vs. Slaanesh fight is healtheir for Chaos than Chaos vs. Imperium vs. Eldar vs. Orks.

[Saint_Anger]

GW wins.



I like this.:D

[bethor]

The tyranids will consume all...except the necrons. They aren't very tasty.

[Wolfshade]

Lifting the Veil - Wolfshade's vision of the future

Will the Tyranids consume everything? - This is adistinct possibility, though the various waring factions of the galaxy will put aside their hositility to counter this threat and destroy them
Will the Necrons rebuild their empire? - They are too fractured to do this, before this codex when they were a "hive mind" then this was a big a threat as the nids, but with their new fluff their overlords have distinct personalities/empires
Will Chaos consume all? - Chaos' reach is "limited" Orks/Tau/Nids are unaffected by the warp gods as for the actual chaos/renegades this I think is slightly dwindling but if humanity endures will be a canker eating away at the heart of it
Will Humanity endure? - The big yawn, stagnation and beset on all sides. If an insperational hero can rally the imperium under one flag, with one purpose then I see this happening, however, with the petty infighting and falling to chaos I see the empire of man splitting into various smaller domains
Will the Eldar regain their grip? - Too few left, but may find strength with an ally in the Imperium
The Tau Empire? - Tau will fall as they question their ideology and break into splintered empires c.f. USSR
What about the Orks? - Orks are too busy fighting each other to be bothered with a galactic conquest

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I dont know who will win... But I am pretty damned sure, at least, the Dark Kin of the Eldar will survive. Purely on the ground that they clone their forces... I mean Dark Eldar could probably field armies to the same scale as the Imperium if they really had any need too. But I dont feel they would 'win' the war of the races, yet best way to remove the Dark Eldar is to starve them of bodies.. So if the nids or crons win they will eventually destroy themselves.

My bets are on the Petra-Squirrels...

[MarneusCalgar]

Lifting the Veil - Wolfshade's vision of the future

Will the Tyranids consume everything? - This is adistinct possibility, though the various waring factions of the galaxy will put aside their hositility to counter this threat and destroy them
Will the Necrons rebuild their empire? - They are too fractured to do this, before this codex when they were a "hive mind" then this was a big a threat as the nids, but with their new fluff their overlords have distinct personalities/empires
Will Chaos consume all? - Chaos' reach is "limited" Orks/Tau/Nids are unaffected by the warp gods as for the actual chaos/renegades this I think is slightly dwindling but if humanity endures will be a canker eating away at the heart of it
Will Humanity endure? - The big yawn, stagnation and beset on all sides. If an insperational hero can rally the imperium under one flag, with one purpose then I see this happening, however, with the petty infighting and falling to chaos I see the empire of man splitting into various smaller domains
Will the Eldar regain their grip? - Too few left, but may find strength with an ally in the Imperium
The Tau Empire? - Tau will fall as they question their ideology and break into splintered empires c.f. USSR
What about the Orks? - Orks are too busy fighting each other to be bothered with a galactic conquest


I agree with Wolfshade...

- Nids: Sure if they continue becoming that threat to the whole galaxy all the remnant races should follow Mat Ward´s way and rally an alliance between themselves to exterminante the danger.

- Necrons: Too many families and Lords to be agreed.

- Eldar: They´re too few, and Necrons want to pay the debts.

- Tau: Still too young, they still have alliances and have become to make some humans join them, but... the Human Empire is bigger.

- Chaos: If humans die, Chaos will die too, they need souls to grow.

- Humans: Hope the Empire falls... but sure it will create many "small Empires", until the returning of the Star Child, the new emperor who will do a new crusade to reconquer all.

[Rev. Tiberius Jackhammer]

- Chaos: If humans die, Chaos will die too, they need souls to grow.:? But Chaos won't wipe humanity out? Just the non-believers, allowing the believers to make babies and civil war to Chaos' benefit.

[khsrio621]

The Squats will rise again!

[MaltonNecromancer]

But Chaos won't wipe humanity out? Just the non-believers, allowing the believers to make babies and civil war to Chaos' benefit.

So Chaos tells it's followers that and they believe it?

Chaos worshippers are the ultimate domestic abuse victims.

Ultimately Chaos will do whatever it fqeofb(0&)^596kgoeb0)^weojfgbqworvh'pwdiv;;h"£;w;d|::::knvp!!'wkehfpwieovh

You know. Because it's Chaos. It doesn't have a plan; the individual Ruinous Powers might have one (or all of them, if we're talking abot Tzeentch), but Chaos itself is a catepillar sat on the last flower in the desert, consuming it because it's delicious, not caring that once it's gone, there will be nothing left - because caring about things is simply not in its nature.

[L192837465]

The nid incursion will indeed cause the greater races to unite, at least temporarily, to move as many orks in the way as possible. Starting a galaxy wide waagh right in the face of the Tyranids basically leaves them to war with each other in a segmentum for eternity. Both thrive on war, but would slowly but surely leave one side the victor, unless the allied races strike at strategic points to keep the warring factions even until they're both too weak to deal with a full blown assault by the allies. It would basically be WWII kind of.

The emperor will be slain by the Lion Sword carried by Cypher to forgive the Dark Angels of their sins and allow the Emperor to be reborn. As this happens, the remaining primarchs awaken and unite the space marines and humanity in a joint coalition to reconquer the material world as the Emperor does so in the Warp to the Chaos Gods.

The Tau will continue to take in and thrive off of the races humanity has chosen to castigate. As they open their arms to the lesser races, their empire will expand exponentially until their tech levels threaten humanity.

As it nears humanities levels, the Mechanicus will suffer a massive upheaval as the Star Dragon awakens and destroys Mars, fleeing into deepspace. With the foundation ripped out, they will also ally with the Tau for their technology, and a full civil war will ensue as humanity fights to regain control after it's technological heart is ripped out.

The Eldar will sense the destruction of the heart of humanity, Terra, and begin to subtly influence the war, one way or another.

The Dark Eldar will continue being nothing but a nuisance because their fluff is stupid. It's a bunch of pirates. They'll piss everyone off until all the space marine chapters rally against them, corner them, and basically wipe them out with superior numbers. There will be a bunch left, but they'll be but a gnat against all the bug spray in the galaxy. Unless they somehow figure out how to manipulate wraithbone, which would be awesome. It would spark another war between the Eldar and Dark Eldar, with one losing and being swept into the folds under a singular leader, who leads them all to posterity.


My thoughts at least. Sorry DE players, I just hate your army and background.


\Pretty models though...

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Why so much hate? I mean, literally whats wrong with the fluff :L?

The Dark Eldar are much the same as Chaos, act upon whim... They will never try and re-claim the galaxy, because they just dont care :')

[L192837465]

Why so much hate? I mean, literally whats wrong with the fluff :L?

The Dark Eldar are much the same as Chaos, act upon whim... They will never try and re-claim the galaxy, because they just dont care :')

They aren't like Chaos. Eldar were more like Chaos with their excess and depravation before the split than the DE. DE now are just a bunch of angry pirates that sometimes slightly irritate one or two planets. They've never actually threatened anything of importance of anyones. They might steal something or another, but even the DE fear the wrath of the Astartes should they press their luck.

The Eldar? The Eldar frequently f*** with Space marines, because Eldar can stand toe to toe with Marines, they just don't like the unnecessary amount of loss of life to an already dying race.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

well... The Dark Eldar did have a full on invasion from 3 Space marine chapters (Salamanders, Silver Skulls and the Howling Gryphons), totalling 12 Strike Cruisers and a Battle Barge. That was one of the ways in which Vect seized power over the old aristocracy... So no I dont feel they do fear Marine's, Vect directed them into Commorragh.

They tried to blow up a world believing that the Imperium would feel their wrath? They also steal suns to power the Dark City [correction.. they did], oh and they took an entire Ork Waaaggh to the face, only to funnel them into the Wych cults, which keeps them fuelled for a fortnight :L.

I Suggest Chaos and the Dark Eldar are simliar for their nature is in flux constantly and they war with one another for power :), also the Dark Eldar could clone massive armies if they wished, but again... They are also like orks, fighting one another is just as fun. But yeah, fair enough for not liking them... But they most certaintly go toe to toe with Marines :L

[L192837465]

well... The Dark Eldar did have a full on invasion from 3 Space marine chapters (Salamanders, Silver Skulls and the Howling Gryphons), totalling 12 Strike Cruisers and a Battle Barge. That was one of the ways in which Vect seized power over the old aristocracy... So no I dont feel they do fear Marine's, Vect directed them into Commorragh.

They tried to blow up a world believing that the Imperium would feel their wrath? They also steal suns to power the Dark City [correction.. they did], oh and they took an entire Ork Waaaggh to the face, only to funnel them into the Wych cults, which keeps them fuelled for a fortnight :L.

I Suggest Chaos and the Dark Eldar are simliar for their nature is in flux constantly and they war with one another for power :), also the Dark Eldar could clone massive armies if they wished, but again... They are also like orks, fighting one another is just as fun. But yeah, fair enough for not liking them... But they most certaintly go toe to toe with Marines :L

I'll have to catch up on my background. Again, just my opinion, and more power to you if you like em, I just don't think they really fit in with the other major races in the galaxy.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Yeah thats fair, I also fancied debating, so I didnt mean to criticise :). But no, the current fluff (not being able to speak off past fluff) has quite a few interesting reads, especially if your not a fan of the Tau... Poor Tau :/.

[BlackMath]

This is all just part of Imhotek's plan. The Necrons already know what is going to happen, everybody else is just a pawn.

[L192837465]

Yeah thats fair, I also fancied debating, so I didnt mean to criticise :). But no, the current fluff (not being able to speak off past fluff) has quite a few interesting reads, especially if your not a fan of the Tau... Poor Tau :/.

I don't take offense because it's the internet, but indeed! Cheers!

[Necron2.0]

The tyranids will consume all...except the necrons. They aren't very tasty.

Well, now therein lies a question. Would Tyranids eat Flayed Ones? After all, they're covered in meat.

[inquisitorsog]

Well, now therein lies a question. Would Tyranids eat Flayed Ones? After all, they're covered in meat.



Yes, but I would expect that the nids still lose that battle. However, I expect in many cases that the energy expenditure of conquering an active necron force (the only ones that would have Flayed ones I presume) would exceed any gain for the nids unless the world otherwise had enough biomass to offset the losses.

[Wildeybeast]

A thought occurs to me, and that is we haven't really discussed what me mean by 'prevail'. IMO, we are talking about last one standing. But there is a problem with this.
No one can actually kill the nids as they are based beyond the galaxy, you can only defeat the forces they send at you and hope they get annoyed and go elsewhere. Unless the nids harvest every world, Orks can never be wiped out as their spores get everywhere. Destroying Chaos relies on wiping out all pyschic life force, which is pretty much a lose/lose situation. And destroying the Necrons is going to be next to impossible for any race as you have no idea which worlds are habouring. So, as none of these races can realistically be wiped out, I'd have to say no one is goign to previal and we will left with a stalemate.

[Griffotronmachi]

i can't wait to see what the advancement to the story is when 6th ed comes out. The Nids extend further into the imperium and the astronomic on?

A 5th Chaos god? that'd be epic!

i can't really see Orc's really advancing much unless there is a leap in their overall intelligence to make them even more dangerous.

maybe a schism within the imperial guard with a large number of Guardsmen turning to chaos in a minor repeat of the Horus Heresy?

whatever it is, so long as Matt Ward doesn't write it it should be pretty entertaining.

[eldargal]

No one will prevail. One of the integral themes of 40k is that of entropy. Everyone gets trapped in a batlte for survival and they can't break out (win) because there are too many threats, they can't devote the forces needed to deal with just one. The Tau are expanding a little it is true but even they are being stretched now. The Necrons for all their seeming strength are scattered and divided, as are the Eldar. the Dark Eldare are more interested in paryying like it was M39.999 than doing anything. The Orks just like to fight so they don't care, but they won't 'win' either.

As for the tyranids, their position isn't as secure as most people think. They need biomass to survive, but if enough of them are destroyed taking a world then they can have a net-loss of biomass. If a Hive Fleet is annihilated al lthat biomass both existing and harvested is lost. If the invasion of the 40k galaxy becomes expensive eventually the Hive Fleet has to decide whether they continue trying or move. Some Hive fleets/tendrils may even be trapped here, not enough biomass to leave, not enough to feed secure. See above re: entropy.

[Deadlift]

Well as proven by recent battle reports of course it's going to be Grey Knights, Draigo and his Paladins, Crowe and his Purifiers backed up by their Auto dreads with some help from inquistional forces to back them up. :)