chaos proxys

[commissar camenzuli]

hey people can you use normal maribes as chaos marines???

[Bean]

hey people can you use normal maribes as chaos marines???

I do all the time. My whole chaos army is built out of loyalist marine bits, almost exclusively.

What matters is that they generally have the right weapons. Guys with bolters should have bolters. Guys with meltas should have meltas. Etc.

[Verilance]

as long as your opponent agrees you can do almost anything that is the beauty of the game

just say they are a chapter recently fallen to chaos and not yet had time to add spikes and chaos sigils to their armour perhaps they are on a trophy hunt each game and add bits of your opponents force to your army until they have a more chaos feel

have fun with it :D

[Thornblood]

Depends how arsey your opponent is.

[commissar camenzuli]

another question: i have the chaos renegades cidex. is it still legal in the game to make a renagade guard army???

[Verilance]

again as long as your opponent agrees it should be perfectly fine, however I am not sure how well it will fare

[commissar camenzuli]

so i will write a cgaos guard list

[Zuul]

I think what most people do for renegade guard since the lost and damned got axed is to just run them with the IG codex. Maybe GW will throw them a bone in the upcoming chaos codex...

[doogansquest]

hey people can you use normal maribes as chaos marines???

Yes. WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get) doesn't apply to sigils, spikes, and banner decorations. Only to weapons and wargear.

Go nuts, I say. Go nuts. :D

[mysterex]

As I recall some of the older fluff stated that the Alpha Legion has posed as loyalist marines. This is probably easier to argue if your marines are painted blue or some other colour close to the Alpha Legion colours and makes more sense if you're not using anything overtly chaotic like daemon princes or obliterators.

And if you read some of the Horus Heresy stuff, individual Alpha Legionnaires have even infiltrated other legions and so possibly chapters.

[Belial69]

I've started using forgeworld plague toads as beasts of nurgle, since they are actually cheaper, lol.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Though you could, why would you? The chaos marines have so much more flavor, spikes, and skulls! I find myself wanting to use chaos models as my normal marines!

[Silverclaw]

A combination of loyalists and CSM parts can also create some pretty cool and unique models if you are conversion inclined...

[awats124]

A combination of loyalists and CSM parts can also create some pretty cool and unique models if you are conversion inclined...

Agreed

[herigonz]

What would y'all use as a proxy for a Defiler? Most things have some equivalent in the Marine army but this one I am not sure. I assume that a regular Dreadnought would be too small (though again, I guess it falls under a "whatever your opponent will allow" type setting).

[Charistoph]

Though you could, why would you? The chaos marines have so much more flavor, spikes, and skulls! I find myself wanting to use chaos models as my normal marines!

Price, for one. My Raptors are Assault Marines with spikes, literally. I didn't get Raptors because 1) I don't like the pose of the models (though design is great), 2) metal and finecast are a butt to convert for someone with no skills developed for it, and 3) They were cheaper! With a box of Chaos Marines and Assault Marines, I have 1 "Tac" squad and 1 Spiked Assault demi-squad.


What would y'all use as a proxy for a Defiler? Most things have some equivalent in the Marine army but this one I am not sure. I assume that a regular Dreadnought would be too small (though again, I guess it falls under a "whatever your opponent will allow" type setting).

That's a tough one. There really isn't a good proxy for it on the Loyalist Marine side... Especially without heavy conversion. Soul Grinder would be valid. Maybe a Land Raider with a Vindicator Gun on the front and Dreadnought/Defiler legs and arms grafted on some how...

[khsrio621]

What would y'all use as a proxy for a Defiler? Most things have some equivalent in the Marine army but this one I am not sure. I assume that a regular Dreadnought would be too small (though again, I guess it falls under a "whatever your opponent will allow" type setting).

There's been talk at my LGS about making a chaos dreadknight conversion and running it with defiler rules.

[herigonz]

Man, converting a Dreadknight would be quite awesome! I was mostly asking for using units as proxies. I've been wanting to play Chaos but only have Loyalist marines myself. I just wanna try it out before the codex changes. About the only thing (outside of a Daemon Prince and Daemons) that I cannot proxy 1 for 1 is the Defiler.

But now I wonder...

[MatthewTiger56]

I can't see any reason why not. As long as all wargear is represented, the models should still be tourney legal. Cosmetics don't matter for legality in tourneys.

[Infinite Resignation]

Mysterex beat me to it, but yes you can pretend they are Alpha Legion in disguise, or a recently rebelling unit. The Imperial Armour books dealing with the Badab War show how the Astral Claws became the Chaos worshipping Red Corsairs, there would have doubtless been times when their equipment still had its original paint job! The first Vraks book from Imperial Armour also has Alpha Legion in disguise, and a list you can use with them that includes rebel Imperial Guard. The list and its FAQ are free to download on the ForgeWorld website's downloads page.