Daemonhood for Abaddon?

[Saint_Anger]

Hi all,

I do wonder why Abaddon is not promoted to the rank of Daemon. He had fought side by side with Horus during the Heresy and lead 13 black crusades against the Imperium, killing many lives and burning many worlds in the progress. His contribution to Chaos, in my opinion, is much more than those of some Daemon primarch before they get promoted. Or is it his will to stay in human form?

[Dalleron]

I'd go with because he doesn't want to. He seems to have a good thing going.

A better question is why hasn't been turned into a spawn yet. All that work with not much to show for it. Impressive death toll no question, but what has he gained?

[Wildcard]

Impressive death toll no question, but what has he gained?

- Blood for the blood god
- Extacy and orgy stuff while killing without remorse (bad selection of words, but hope you get the point)
- Has achieved lot, both material and reputation, looted wargear while denying (destroying) lots of the imperiums gear, all through deception and carefull planning
- No doubt there has been a lot of diseases and plagues from the killed and un attended civilian (and military) populations due to the random planetwide killings (in addition all those funky Nurgle-supporters who have been with Abaddon on the crusades..)

In my opinion, Abaddon have proven himself in the eyes of all the chaos gods..


All that work with not much to show for it.
Didn't he destroy majority of one segmentums fleets while fighting over those blackstone fortresses? Thus denying imperium a major tactical advantage and re-grouping points not to forget how great loss it is to lose one grand capital-ship, yet alone whole grand fleets..

[Myu]

I think the main advantage of NOT being a daemon is that you can't get banished to the warp and don't need to be ritually summoned

[MaltonNecromancer]

Surely it's because he never gets the job done?

13 Black Crusades, and he never quite succeeds. I mean, yes, enough skulls and blood to avoid The Basilica of Torments, but really, he's never really pulled off what he's supposed to have. At least Horus actually got to Terra.

Also, because Chaos doesn't work according to rules? By its very nature? And if it did, it wouldn't be very chaotic...

[Wildeybeast]

I guess it depends on what one actually has to do to get elevated to daemonhood. All the traitor primarchs got there and they basically did sweet FA other than follow Horus' pointless rebellion. I think it is based on the whims of the Chaos gods and keeping Abaddon as a post-human serves their purpose/amuses them.

[doom-kitten]

I think it's more of the fact Abbaddon mostly works for Abbaddon. He is not loyal to any of the Chaos Gods and is more than willing to use the gods for his own gain. Secondly ascending to deamonhood is basically becoming a gods toy and Abbaddon is to arrogant and proud to bow before the gods. He has never acted on one of the gods whims and likely never will. Abbaddon is Abbaddon and no ones *****.

[Anggul]

It brings this up in the 3.5 codex, the guy writing about it has no idea why he hasn't either. I suspect, as mentioned by others, it's a case of being a daemon also bringing great inconveniences, like being banished and being more of a servant to the gods.

[Kawauso]

Don't forget that Daemonhood may also mean sacrificing some or all of your independence in order to essentially turn yourself into a glorified Daemonhost. I'm not sure Abaddon would be down with anything like that.

[Denzark]

Abaddon has the Icon of Chaos goodness from all the Gods in a one-er. doesn't seem like displeasure to me. Probably just a GW oversight.

[doom-kitten]

Hum was pretty sure theres abit of fluff about why he was never given deamonhood, damn now I'm gonna have to look it up now...

[Grailkeeper]

Abaddon's fluff matches that of Archaon in fantasy (or at least it used too, I'm not as up to date on fantasy as I used to be) - he fills the role of Ultimate Human Level Chaos badass, who isn't stuck following one god. He's explored the 4 different gods in his time, been awarded some unique ultimate badass level chaos toys and his own mark. I think there is some mention in the fluff of him having rejected or at least put off daemon hood until he gets his ultimate goal accomplished.


It's worth looking at the fluff for Archaon when looking at Abaddon- they draw from each other. Short answer- he could be if he wanted, but he has bigger ambitions.

[L192837465]

Abaddon's fluff matches that of Archaon in fantasy (or at least it used too, I'm not as up to date on fantasy as I used to be) - he fills the role of Ultimate Human Level Chaos badass, who isn't stuck following one god. He's explored the 4 different gods in his time, been awarded some unique ultimate badass level chaos toys and his own mark. I think there is some mention in the fluff of him having rejected or at least put off daemon hood until he gets his ultimate goal accomplished.


It's worth looking at the fluff for Archaon when looking at Abaddon- they draw from each other. Short answer- he could be if he wanted, but he has bigger ambitions.

This.

Last edition it stated that he turned down deamonhood. On multiple occasions.

[Myu]

"Last edition it stated that he turned down deamonhood. On multiple occasions."

Which book?

[Saint_Anger]

"Last edition it stated that he turned down deamonhood. On multiple occasions."

Which book?

Just found it. In the previous CSM codex (before the current one), under the HQ section, there is a box someone talking about him.

[Blkswrdsman]

For those of you who are wonderind why Abaddon the Despoiler has not ascended to Daemon hood, there are many simple reason. These can be found on 1d4chan.org. Just type in ol' boy's name. its nothing but hilarious comedy.

[Dragonlv8]

I wonder this with all the characters in the Chaos codex. Why isn't Kharn a Daemon Prince of Khorne. He is fully devoted to Khorne and so on yet he is still mortal?

[Dalleron]

Kharne isn't a demon most likely because he's good enough at his job as it stands now. It's probably easier to get around the galaxy as a marine in power armour than as a demon prince.

And I think we all know the Chaos Gods are a fickle lot.

[Xenith]

Becoming a daemon prince is more like a side step than a promotion.

At the moment, with the favour of The Gods, he is more dangerous than all but the most powerful of daemon princes.

Becoming a daemon makes him inherently more vulnerable, which the imperium could exploit.

[entendre_entendre]

I wonder this with all the characters in the Chaos codex. Why isn't Kharn a Daemon Prince of Khorne. He is fully devoted to Khorne and so on yet he is still mortal?

Because he's such a nice guy when you get to know him. (http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Kharn)

He probably just doesn't care enough about Daemonhood when Khorne can just will him back to life. Besides, who's going to shed enough blood out there to allow Angron to leave his castle of blood?

[Thornblood]

Maybe the chaos Gods like him as a marine. Because wherever he goes he summons vast swathes of daemons. Maybe he is more useful to the chaos gods doing that than as a daemon prince. Maybe he is more pleasing to the chaos gods as a marine than as a daemon.

Of course the real reason is that he is the big bad for csm undivided. Hes the 40k archaon and nothing is going to change that status quo. Because really every codex needs a big bad. A Logan Grimnar, a Calgar, a Creed, a Vect, a Swormlord, a Dante, a Draigo, a Ghazagkull. And if he got 'promoted' to daemon hood CSM would loose thier big bad, especially now that CSM and DoC ar two different armies now.

[tdogp]

Because then his stats would actually go down