Tau Rumor Roundup

[Bigred]

collated by warseer's Tastyfish (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324092)


Warseer's Stick monkey, September 2010.
New Heavy support platform. Basically immobile deep striked! heavy weapon and crew. Rail and Ion Cannon, and missile launcher are all obvious options here, but nothing solid with the rumor.

Assault Skimmer. Something between size of piranha and hammerhead, fast skimmer open topped, assault on disembark.
Update: Yes, its assault after a flat out move, and has the "drop troops along path" option similar to the storm raven. its supposedly a dedicated transport option for one new unit. (I dont place faith in this last bit, its very rare in current GW systems to see a vehicle kit limited to one unit/role...if GW is trying to sell them they will be available to more than one unit, or be a separate entry unto itself.)

New Drop ship. Not the FW one, but something new. Holds a boatload of fire warriors, or a few battle suits.

New battle suits. Not sure if these are the "next gen" suits or just heavy suits redone with out metal bits.

Cypher on Heresy Online - April 2011

All current metal sets to be plastic (Pathfinders, Krootox, Vespids). New plastics are completed for Crisis Suits, Stingwings and Pathfinders.

Plastic Barracuda as well as a new unit choice, which will be a new alien race (insert your fantasy here).

Battle Suits - plug and play system. Essentially streamlined. Pick two guns and a skill or two skills and a gun. New models with interchangeable arms similar to Killa Kans?

Rule Changes

HQ and Troops
HQ choices are used to unlock units for troops, so a commander in a Crisis Suit unlocks Crisis Suits as troops, an Etheral unlocks Fire Warriors, Shaper unlocks Kroot.

Crisis Suits
Mostly same stats but now 3 wounds, come with every gun option and you can choose what weapon systems you fire every round. Max squad size x 5

Broadsides
Can take Network Markerlights instead of the missiles on their arms

Hammerhead Railgun
Draws a line across the table hitting everything under it. Multiple penetration through vehicles, only stopped by a glancing hit.

Shield Generator
Only team leaders can take a shield generator. The shield generator functions exactly like the DE Shadowfield. 2+ invulnerable save until the first failed save at which point it ceases to work.

Drones
No longer bought as Wargear. They are bought as a unit and then divided as you see fit at the start of the match. You can mix your drones when bought for the point cost needed. This caters for Drone Squadrons as an option.

Markerlight
One markerlight can fire the seekers off one model. Seekers replenish and are no longer one use items. Skyrays will only be able to fire one seeker per round.


BoLS - April 2011

1. Kroot HQ is in the works!
2. Kroot to get own transport (Devilfish will no longer be able to transport Kroot)
3. Kroot will get light armor saves (6+)
4. Kroot shaper will allow for the unit to have a special genetic trait.
5. Firewarrior carbine to get a grenade launcher (either explosive or EMP)
6. Vespids reworked and getting a Heavy unit
7. Firewarrior BS increased to 4
8.Crisis suits will get “hit and run” ability
9. Various changes to Firewarrior equipment
10. Various changes to Crisis suit equipment
11. New Prototypes
12. 4th edition prototypes now “standard” equipment for all suits
13. All HQ’s can act as a commander
14. New type of “Heavy” Battlesuit (new prototype of the Broadside)
15. Stealth suits will be changed to a advanced scout unit similar to Pathfinders
16. Pathfinders will be changed to act as a type of Tau Commando infantry

+++++++++++++++++++++++++START HIGHLY SUSPECT GHOST21 RUMORS++++++++++++++++++++++++

Now on to Ghost's more recent rumours
...which primarily cover new non-Tau models. Because there's so many, I've split them up and tried to connect the dots between the hints and match them against each other - my thoughts and interpretations are in italics

Quote General Codex rumours
Not the next book, but probably after Black Templars

Author may be Phil Kelly

Army has 4 basic HQs and 3 basic troop choices excluding changes made by any Special Characters if there are any

Return of 4 old SC, plus 2-4 new ones

No Court of the Archon/henchmen type mixed units

New Tau models
New SC "Iceheart"

Crisis suits have been completely redesigned (not just recut sprues and ankle tweaks), less boxy and including a 'morphic weapon'

New sniper suit

Shas'O get a stealth armour option, may be an experimental suit like Shadowsuns, or the experimental suit might be a third option

Allies and Auxiliaries

Vespids get two slots (unknown if this is an additional two, or two overall). Kroot get an additional unit

No Knarloc riders,though perhaps something big (new WFB monster-szied) for the Kroot

Maybe minor psychic powers for Shapers or Shaper like character this is something Ghost has heard from other people and not stated directly

Demiurg have 1 HQ, 1 troop and maybe 1 else. Presumably the Elite choice mentioned elsewhere

Demiurg ancients are a thing Probably HQ, but could also be the elite unit

Possible Demiurg elite choice

Demiurg are "equal to banshees without the scream" so presumably anti-armour close combat, or at least have that as an option. This might also be elite unit rather than the troop one, or be a unit that does both - like a kit that would let you make Boyz and Ard Boyz (or Dwarfs and Longbeards). An elite unit, but being an upgrade to a troop slot to keep out the way of the battlesuits

Demiurg and one other new race join the army, the latter being something bizarre or at least something we've not seen before.

No Gue'vesa unit or models

No Nicassar

Models
4 box sets, and 4 blisters in wave 1

Demiurg plastic box
Battlesuit plastic box
Vespid plastic box(?)
Assault transport(?)

Demiurg ancient blister
New Tau SC blister

Ghost21 also added the following:
-The codex is currently in proofreading (so rules development is done)
-Tau is slated to be the last codex of 5th Edition

UPDATES: 11/24/2011
Demiurg are apparently a lot less Dwarfish than the initial concepts, instead being more like little stone golems (Ozruk from WoW was mentioned)
As a tongue in cheek nod to the fate of the squats, there is a named Demiurg (who may or may not make it as a SC) who survived fighting Tyranids and personally killed a large monster by drilling his way out after being "Swallowed up by the 'Nids"
This Demiurg is aware that the Ethereals have some kind of power over the Tau (maybe other races too) but not the Demiurg, who have presumably signed up for political reasons and of their own free will

Stealth suit mechanics may change
Kroot fieldcraft rule - presumably switched to Stealth and Infiltrate USR

4 new 'Tau' units*: Note these will not all probably be in the first release - there's 2-3 plastic kits here and we already know 3 for the 4 that are coming out.
Dropship (carries upto 15 models or 2 battlesuits and 10 models, or 5 battlesuits)
Fighter
Snipersuits
"Ubersuit"

The Ubersuit is a Battletech/Mechwarrior sort of thing (probably Dreadknight sized), with a special 'ridiculous' ability that lets it rain down shooting if it stands still.
Looks a bit like one of the Battletech Mechs that is named after an ancient weapon

UPDATED 12/9/2011

Jared Van Kell says:

The Tau codex belongs to Cruddace, lets get that fact straight. That is all I am going to say on that issue.

Black Templars on the other hand was always going to be Phil Kelly's pet project. The only way Ward or Cruddace would ever get the Black Templars codex off him would be to prise the rough drafts out from his cold...dead...hands.

Unless of course they offered him the Dwarf Army Book...............(whistles innocently).

Some of these rumours [WF- In regards to rumor sumary posted up on BOLS - most of which were taken from Warseer] are spot on others not so spot on. 4 generic HQs are the Tau Commander, Tau Ethereal, Kroot Master Shaper and Demiurg Ancient. Blisters are, as far as I am aware, a new Tau Ethereal, Demiurg Ancient and 2 special character blisters.

I've also heard that the Skyray will be getting a better choice of missiles in addition to the Seeker missile which is believed to be S6 AP4 Blast, however you have to choose the missile type at the beginning of the game so you cannot mix and match. Despite the payload ts main role will still be target marking.

The Demiurg Special character is apparently the one called Iceheart.

The Battletech Mech in question is the Warhammer IIC mech (no joke about the name.) one of the unseen mechs in the battletech universe. The suit itself is quite big, not quite dreadknight sized but it can "brace".....yes Matt Ward does play Spacemarine. The trouble is that it will be competing against Broadsides, Skyrays and Hammerheads, all of which have improved, a lot.

Regarding the "HQ unlocks troops" rumour - Well from what I can understand from the mechanic is this. A particular troop type is associated with a particular HQ but in doing so confers a special ability on those troop types.

-Tau Ethereal - Unlocks Tau Firewarrior teams.
-Tau Fire Commander - Unlocks Tau XV8 Crisis Battlesuit teams.
-Kroot Shaper - Unlocks Kroot Carnivore squads.
-Demiurg Ancient - Unlocks Demiurg Warrior squads.

I can understand the thought process behind the mechanic from what I know of the basic fluff regarding the Tau.

However I would have thought that Firewarriors would have always remained as basic troops and an Ethereal would have unlocked Honour Guard but it seems from the snippets of info I've been able to peice together that an Ethereal confers Preferred Enemy (Everything) and BS4 on those Firewarrior squads he leads making Honour Guard redundant.

All that I can say is known about the Demiurg is that they are the Tau's main anti-MEQ unit. How effective they are I cannot say.

Actually you might be surprised. My sources and the several other rumour mongers have started indicating that Templars might actually be next followed by Tau, this is normally a sign for me that what I am hearing is correct but with recent developments such things are by no means certain.

I have however recently discovered that the Tau are in the proofreading stage of development which means that the codex is written but it has not yet quite gone to the printers. Now this means that all GW have to do is give the nod and the codex can be printed in numbers pretty quickly. All they then have to do is ramp up the advertisement, distribution and product support and we have them ready to go for our very much enjoyment.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++END HIGHLY SUSPECT GHOST21 RUMORS++++++++++++++++++++++++

UPDATED 12/29/2011


-Demiurg Units ~ note plural

-New Vespid unit and a new weapon for the wasp-men.

-New FireWarrior heavy weapons - expect new anti-tank / anti- infantry heavy weapon choices on a 1 special per X ratio (probably 1 per 5 or 10 fire Warriors)

-Plastic Barricuda (or other renamed fighter)

-Possible Human allies (Rogue IG militia that joined the Tau Empire) ~said to be the iffy-est of these rumors.

-New Kroot HQ choice (with the ability to "unlock a Kroot themed army) ~sounds like an homage to the old Kroot Mercs list.

-Kroot Carnivores upgraded to either a 5+ or a 6+ save by default.

UPDATED 1-2-2012


-Battlesuit Commander: shifts ONE battlesuit unit to a Troops FOC slot.

-New Close Combat Battlesuit

-New Ethereal named character

-Ethereals will get upgraded to be the "leader" role in the Tau Empire army. (so not the best BS, or WS, but other interesting army-support tricks)

-New deepstriking Dropship (an Orca-ish platform on par with the IG valkyrie)

-Up-gunned Drone variants (specific anti-tank and anti-heavy infantry options) which can be attached to almost every TAU unit in the codex

UPDATE 4-17-2012

Multiple sources saying they are hearing of a "surprise Tau update in June, the last hoorah of 5th.

[Tynskel]

April 2011? These rumors are old.

[DrLove42]

Yeah, but theres also new rumors after the old stuff

Hence why its a "rumour roundup". Everything in one place

[MarneusCalgar]

Sounds good...

So now only remains one codex for 5th Edition unnamed... And we know will be marine-one.

Dark Angels or Black Templars??

Make your bids now

[gcsmith]

Lets see if its bt then both my armies updated one after another. My wallet will hate this

[DrLove42]

Well if rumours are true, Tau, Eldar and 6th ed in one year? My wallets already hurting...

[phoenix01]

Sounds good...

So now only remains one codex for 5th Edition unnamed... And we know will be marine-one.

Dark Angels or Black Templars??

Make your bids now

How about Space Marine Crusaders: mix both together into one codex.

[Charistoph]

Sounds good...

So now only remains one codex for 5th Edition unnamed... And we know will be marine-one.

Dark Angels or Black Templars??

Make your bids now

Both Harry and Ghost have said that Black Templars will be the next 40K army to be released, and suggested Tau coming after that. That would finish off the last of the Armoury Codecies right before the rumored release of 6th this coming summer.

[gcsmith]

As much as this thrills me BT are next, why no rumours of new units. really hope they dnt just get nohing new, pls new stuff, tho I want tau to get most new stuff since i dnt wanna spend too much money.

[Wildeybeast]

So, here is a theory. The rumours are of a SM army before Tau, so assuming it's not CSM, then that leaves either BT or DA. Now why would we have some many rumours about the Tau who are coming after, but none for the army coming first. I find it very odd that GW would let so many Tau ones out, but no BT/DA ones, when they are coming first. So could it be that DA/BT are getting the Sisters WD treatment with no new units, just a 'codex' update.
This would make sense if we believe the 6th ed rumour that no armies after IG in this cycle are getting updated in 6th, as that would leave them with SM, Chaos Demons/Marines, Eldar and Orks which isn't many. But if we throw in SoB and DA/BT for a 'proper' update, that gives them a more healthy number of codexes to do over the life cycle of 6th.
Just idle specualtion on my part, but it would explain that lack of rumours for the next army.

[energongoodie]

I'm pretty excited about all this.
I thought the Dark Eldar release was fantastic and the quality of models was great. I thought the Grey knights was very good and so far I have really liked the Necron models. I think if GW keep going as they are then the Tau release, with lots of interesting new models, could be very special indeed.
I am officially saving my pennies for some major Tau buying as of ..........NOW!

[junkmonkey]

If the rumours run true and we get BT then Tau, I'm going to be in nerd nirvana.
I already have a roughly 2000+pt fully painted Tau force (plus extras), but had also started to re-do my old Smurfs into BT a little while ago (albeit slowly).

As far as Tau wishes, I'm a for-fun player, so more units will just add to the variety available. Tetras would be fun.
Knarloc riders would be entertaining as well (although this seems to be a no-go from what I've read).

I'm not sure how I feel about more new races being added...it fits the fluff of course, but I can see things getting really muddy if there are too many race choices.

[Bigred]

More rumors added including the "Uber-suit" ...

See the first post.

[Wildeybeast]

The uber suit sounds mint. This is the sort of serious firepower Tau should be putting out, lets put the Necorns back in thier place and show how them technology really should be used. And I'm betting the 'big kroot' will be a greater Knarloc. I've been waiting for one of those since the days of Dark Cursade.

[energongoodie]

After the Dreadknight it seemed inevitable that the Tau would get an 'ubersuit' model and I for one am very interested.
I'm gonna go out on a ridiculous nerd limb and say it will be the best model GW has ever released ever! ( subject to change).
I'm getting a little bit excited about new Tau. :D

[Bigred]

I'm just hoping the Uber-suit is based on one of the following three Battletech mechs named after an ancient weapon like the rumor said:

Warhammer (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Warhammer) (with rail gun arms would look ace!)
Catapult (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Catapult) (the legs would be right at least, and possibly with huge missile racks)
Archer (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archer)(kind of a general all-rounder)

I'm putting my bet on the Warhammer. How could they let the naming homage go...

[gcsmith]

Im really hoping for soemthing called the cuttlefish, sounds crap but Ill use it just to have the opportunity to go, You got beaten by a cuttle fish MWAHAHAHAA

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Im really hoping for soemthing called the cuttlefish, sounds crap but Ill use it just to have the opportunity to go, You got beaten by a cuttle fish MWAHAHAHAA

hahahahaha, omg yes

[Uncle Nutsy]

I'm betting it will be the Warhammer.

ohboyohboyohboyohboy. so want to do this in the game... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiQazjMVBMI

[DrLove42]

Things ar elooking good for Tau!

I see them as being 3 armies in one, or a highly useful combo force

Tau - Very shooty. Extreme long range and high strength. Put the Necrons, Long Fangs and Grey Knights back in their place
Kroot - Light assault, harrying units. More skirmishers than outright fighting power houses.
Demigurg - Heavy Assault, Big War Machines, but all very expensive models

[energongoodie]

I'm just hoping the Uber-suit is based on one of the following three Battletech mechs named after an ancient weapon like the rumor said:

Warhammer (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Warhammer) (with rail gun arms would look ace!)
Catapult (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Catapult) (the legs would be right at least, and possibly with huge missile racks)
Archer (http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Archer)(kind of a general all-rounder)

I'm putting my bet on the Warhammer. How could they let the naming homage go...

I would much rather we had names like this and we could get away from the peculiar fish based designations. I'm not a fan.
However, I think they will keep with the aquatic them and we will see the likes of Swordfish, Mako, Man O War, Tiger Shark, Squid and a transport called a Sailfish.

[Bigred]

I agree with DrLove42.

The new army doesn't even need units that can win assaults. If even some of those new units can just survive a turn of two, that's enough to base tactics for the rest of the army around.

The problem now is anything that makes it to your lines starts to collapse flanks fast.

[Tynskel]

why would demiurg be assault? I thought they like their redonkulous firepower and robots.

[Uncle Nutsy]

I just had a thought.

what if the ubermech's called a "Trident"?

http://www.solaris7.com/TRO/HTMLBattleMech/BattlemechInfo.asp?ID=13325

[Albavar]

My guess would be the mech they are emulating is the Trbuchet. Scads of missiles saturating an area. Just my 2 cents.

[Uncle Nutsy]

oops, just read on warseer via Liberium Online that the ubermech will probably be called the "warhammer" and based off of the Warhammer IIC.

and after piloting the warhammer IIC in-game (mechwarrior 4), it's going to be absolutely brutal.

[LordGrise]

Between the two, my money would be on the Trebuchet as well - if only because the Catapult is a VERY distinctive mech, and something of a flagship image. Base anything on that and uhmmm... trademark infringement lawsuits, anybody?

Whereas the Treb is a very vanilla mech indeed - no distinctive features whatsoever, not recognizable as anything. This is 'inspiration'?

I don't put any stock in this - there is absolutely nothing about the Treb that says 'Tau', and the only way GM would offer anything in ANY way reminiscient of the Catapult (which does offer a somewhat Tau-ish vibe, IMHO) would be with an ironclad license in perpetuity - whaich GW would not pay for and whoever now holds the copyrights to the Catapult would never offer, given that they're right in the middle of rebooting the tabletop game AND the computer game series.

My two cents. No trolls were intentionally emulated in this post.

[Bigred]

Master Tau Roundup updated. (first post)

[DrLove42]

Urgh..Cruddace. COuld turn out alright I gues. Now all that I have to wait for is do they do they way of Sisters (screwed into the ground), Nids (passable, but mostly poor) or Guard (uber powerhouse that EVERYONE uses).

Can I have somewhere between Nids and Guard? Awesome, but not played by everyman and his dog

With Cruddace doing Tau, Kelly doing Templars....does that mean Ward is doing Chaos or Eldar? I'm gonna go contraversial here and hope hes got the Chaos book. His random rules would suit chaos a lot

[gcsmith]

So tau get the guy who hates aliens but loves imperium. GREAT. AT least my templars get a decent author I guess. Tho I can hold my breath that cruddance can actually do a better job with tau than nids. tho It seems to be going same way as nid elites just with tau Heavy.

That HQ=Troop thing just seems to be some crap way to make tau unique, here you go, you want to use those firewarriors you bought? must take a crappy insta death etheral. Want to take kroot take the shaper. OH? now u used both hq slots so cant actually take a battlesuit commander? sucks to be u.

/sigh Cruddance


Edit: also Tau getting preffered enemy from etheral? wow thats waaaaay useful since that still means tau die in droves in combat and helps very little. Is that cruddance way of trying to make etherals useful??
Give us twinlinked.

[Scrumblegort]

Edit: also Tau getting preffered enemy from etheral? wow thats waaaaay useful since that still means tau die in droves in combat and helps very little. Is that cruddance way of trying to make etherals useful??
Give us twinlinked.

One rumor that keeps popping up for 6th edition is that preferred enemy will work for shooting as well. The Necron codex may even support this. Look at Destroyers, a shooty unit with no other incentive to EVER get into combat, yet has Preferred Enemy: Everything.
Also the Troops thing is interesting yet kinda silly... I hope there is more to it then what is described here. Like maybe if you take the Ethereal you unlike Honor Guard, and unless you take a Master Shaper then you can only take Kroot as elites or fast attack or something.
I'm cautiously optimistic Cruddace will do us right. White Dwarf codexes are always terrible so ignore the SOB mistake. Nids were just fine, until the FAQ came out. Pre-Faq though they were a good example of a BALANCED army, which is what every army should aspire for. Sure Nids fans may complain they aren't uber-broken like GKs, but if they were then everyone else would complain about it. With Tau being a long range shooty and vehicley force, I have a feeling Cruddace will make Tau more along the lines of Guard then SOB and Nids, and given the backlash Cruddace has recieved in the past I think he'll pull threw for us without over doing it. Look at the Necron Codex, even our Spiritual Liege learned to tone it down a bit, so I think Cruddace can too.

[dietrich43]

Since Destroyers got Preferred Enemy in the new Cron dex, I would bet dollars to donuts that 6th edition allows Preferred Enemy to re-roll all to hits - melee or shooting. Would make Wolf Priests pretty interesting, esp. with Saga of the Hunter and attached to a Long Fang unit.

[Archon Charybdis]

So tau get the guy who hates aliens but loves imperium. GREAT.

Don't attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. It seems more likely to me he's just an inconsistent writer, even within the IG codex there's a few bad options and a few stupidly good ones. Besides, the Sister's WD was pretty godawful and that's an Imperial faction.

[Uncle Nutsy]

before anyone starts going crazy over cruddace, stop for a second and think about this.

he may not like xenos.. but he likes his shooty and his vehicles. and since tau are supposed to be a VERY shooty army with lots of vehicles, it might end up being pretty good. just have to wait and see.

What might happen with the hq/troops thing is that if you take a certain HQ, you'll either unlock an elite choice as troops, or you'll give existing troops a decent buff. kind of like if you take duke sliscus you give a unit of warriors better ammunition.

[Maelstorm]

It will end up like the Necron Codex. Specialized HQ choices, nerfed old units to get you to buy the new models ($$) with special abilities, modify the fluff to justify the new units. Call it done.

Necrons were supposed to have an HQ that allowed Flayed ones to be taken as a Troop choice - every single early rumor said it was a done deal - Flayed Ones ended up a useless Elite choice with no support. The Immortals were absolutely getting a new-larger model with lots of "bling" on a 40mm base - The new Immortals: replaced the green rods with less expensive to produce plastic bitz and called it done.

Expect the SAME treatment; GW won't make money on the current Tau players if the leave the old units alone and don't nerf them - they wouldn't sell many new kits without it the obvious money grab.

It would be easier to open the Tau codex and look at the most popular vehicles/units, weaken them all just enough to make them 2nd tier choices, then add a new unit to replace each one with. Ignore the fact we've made your best/favorite units weaker, look at the shiney new toys you can buy ($$)!

Be realistic - Anyone want to place bets on it??

[gcsmith]

Firstly you cannont nerf the hammer head, without making it like av 11, 11, 10, but then the devilfish would be 11, 11, 10.
Which would lower its points and with disruption pod still be about as survivable.

The one thing im hoping is Firewarriors and kroot are troops as standard, like now.

Then an etheral gives firewarriors preffered enemy, or twin linked, cus just prefered enemy is like giving a ork a titan cannon to shoot, good on paper but since it cant hit, no point. Tau firewarriors in current edition with preferred enemy is stupid.

Kroot will gain furious charge with shaper.

Then suits and demiurge warriors are elite, both made troops with battlesuit commander and demiurg commander respectively.

What i do hope is that 1+ firewarriors stays so you always have TAU in a TAU army.

All above is Wishlisting hoping that crudance is logical, well at least BT get a good author, tho i heard it was raven guard getting a codex not BT.

[DrLove42]

Which would lower its points and with disruption pod still be about as survivable.


Expect this to be gone straight away. A 4+ save for an AV13 vehicle for 5pts? Thats either going to be changed considerably, or cost 30pts. Hell a 5+ save on a AV10 Open Topped Vehciles costs 10pts.

As for Raven Guard...i doubt GW would give them aseperate dex

[gendoikari87]

It will end up like the Necron Codex. Specialized HQ choices, nerfed old units to get you to buy the new models ($$) with special abilities, modify the fluff to justify the new units. Call it done.

Necrons were supposed to have an HQ that allowed Flayed ones to be taken as a Troop choice - every single early rumor said it was a done deal - Flayed Ones ended up a useless Elite choice with no support. The Immortals were absolutely getting a new-larger model with lots of "bling" on a 40mm base - The new Immortals: replaced the green rods with less expensive to produce plastic bitz and called it done.

Expect the SAME treatment; GW won't make money on the current Tau players if the leave the old units alone and don't nerf them - they wouldn't sell many new kits without it the obvious money grab.

It would be easier to open the Tau codex and look at the most popular vehicles/units, weaken them all just enough to make them 2nd tier choices, then add a new unit to replace each one with. Ignore the fact we've made your best/favorite units weaker, look at the shiney new toys you can buy ($$)!

Be realistic - Anyone want to place bets on it??
not really they'll take the most powerful unit in the codex and buff it, the XV8, this however is codex specific and not SOP and only because they're redoing the XV8 so they aren't going to nerf it.

[Kawauso]

It would be easier to open the Tau codex and look at the most popular vehicles/units, weaken them all just enough to make them 2nd tier choices, then add a new unit to replace each one with. Ignore the fact we've made your best/favorite units weaker, look at the shiney new toys you can buy ($$)!



I wasn't aware that had happened with my Necrons - all of the units I liked to use still look viable to me (i.e. all of them - yes, including Flayed Ones, who got a lot better).

Were there a lot of shiney new plastic kits to buy? Sure, and I went for them, but that's just me in a lot of ways because I hate metal models with a passion. The only ones I'm hanging on to are the Flayed Ones, because for the first time I've wanted to keep a metal model over an alternative, and the Wraiths/Spyders, but that's only until there is an alternative. It sucks that Heavy Destroyers/Destroyer Lords are still hybrid kits, but I've been kitbashing Lychguard and Immortal parts to great success there, so no worries.

Anyway, I don't think that any of the good units in the Tau book are going to get nerfed, myself. At least, not in the common internet usage of the word - some things may be powered down, certainly. But I would bet dollars to doughnuts that such changes will make sense in the broader scope of the entire codex.

I am a little nervous that Cruddace is the one behind it, supposedly...SOB was a letdown (but I believe that's largely to do with the fact it's a half-assed stopgap) and Tyranids do feel like they're missing something in 5th (I won't go nearly as far as some other people with that book, though - I love my melee-only bugs). Tau should function more similarly to Guard than either of those armies, however, and Cruddace did a pretty good job with that book. Looking forward to hearing more the closer it gets to release, at any rate...

Anyone else find it odd how freely the rumours have been flowing lately? Leading up to Necrons it was bone dry for a looong time...

[Dalleron]

regarding the freeflowing rumours, 2 things come to mind.

1. GW is finally figuring out the internet and how to take advantage of it. OR
2. We're getting strung along, which ties back into #1.

[gendoikari87]

regarding the freeflowing rumours, 2 things come to mind.

1. GW is finally figuring out the internet and how to take advantage of it. OR
2. We're getting strung along, which ties back into #1.

^ That, with five codexes being rumored at minimum 2 are complete bull****. likely 3 with 6th next year.

[Lucidum]

The Tau have recently had a bit of a "shady" background when dealing with their auxiliary races, I'd honestly be very surprised if they suddenly trusted the Demiurg and Kroot enough to have them commanding their own armies. I'd expect Fire Warriors to retain their 1+ requirement for troop organization (btw...are Tau the only army in the game with a unit that's 1+ requirement instead of 0-1 allowed?)

[Lockark]

The Tau have recently had a bit of a "shady" background when dealing with their auxiliary races, I'd honestly be very surprised if they suddenly trusted the Demiurg and Kroot enough to have them commanding their own armies. I'd expect Fire Warriors to retain their 1+ requirement for troop organization (btw...are Tau the only army in the game with a unit that's 1+ requirement instead of 0-1 allowed?)

Heck. GW have been getting rid of 0-1 Requirements in all thier army books for awhile now.

I can't even think of a book that still has one.

O.ol

[Charistoph]

The Tau have recently had a bit of a "shady" background when dealing with their auxiliary races, I'd honestly be very surprised if they suddenly trusted the Demiurg and Kroot enough to have them commanding their own armies. I'd expect Fire Warriors to retain their 1+ requirement for troop organization (btw...are Tau the only army in the game with a unit that's 1+ requirement instead of 0-1 allowed?)

I seriously doubt that they will keep the Fire Warrior and Tau Commander 1+ requirement. They've removed them all from the subsequent codecies. It would be odd for them to keep it just for Tau.

And 40K has often been mentioned that this is just one facet of a larger battle, why can't a Master Shaper be in nominal charge of this part of the battlefield? It's not like Fantasy where the "General" actually has any sway in a normal game (currently, 6th may change that). True, they do in more specialized games that local shops put up, but then they can make the Tau Commander requirement as part of the game's comp.


Heck. GW have been getting rid of 0-1 Requirements in all thier army books for awhile now.

I can't even think of a book that still has one.

O.ol

Actually, they've kept the 0-1, they just call them Unique now, which is pretty much the same thing.

[Bigred]

Master Rumor Roundup (p.1) updated

[eldargal]

I feel I should point out a couple of posts from Harry taking a more cautious approach to an upcoming Tau release:

Fellas ... needless to say, given the amount of contradiction ... much of the first post is inaccurate. Some of that stuff was written before they started writing the book. :rolleyes:
No one has got all the kits right yet.
I don't think they will be as soon as most folks seem to think given the amount of stuff that seems to be before them.


:D

Well, thats not true either.
Obviously something is next. :D

I think (for what its worth) that there is stuff coming for at least 5 other armies before we see the Tau stuff. (unless they release something in advance of the main release?)

But as you know I don't follow 40K that closely so I could be completely wrong.:D
My bold.

[flekkzo]

I find it interesting that Tau is getting a lot of rumor posts, while armies that are rumored to come out earlier gets none or less. There's many explanations why, I just found it very interesting:)

Btw, a new Tau codex just needs two things. No bad units and to be different from all the other armies (i.e. play differently). GW's got a massive chance to stir the pot and change which units are good in other codexes by not launching yet another Power Armor codex (if it's good to kill one power armored guy, it's good to kill the rest).

[Bigred]

HUGE Rumor dump via Kirby.

Check the roundup on page 1.

Big items:
-Tau are next
-Kelly wrote it

UPDATED: Its a Fake! *shakes fist*

[energongoodie]

So are we thinking March then for a Tau release?

[Prodigalson]

As long as it gets here in time for me to bring it to Wargames Con... I do not care. February, March, April, May is all good... June... too late. I'm hoping for February or March to me.

[Morgan Darkstar]

-Gue'vesa are available, working similarly to Inquisitorial allies drawn from the IG codex.

hmmmmm i think this is doubtful

[energongoodie]

-Gue'vesa are available, working similarly to Inquisitorial allies drawn from the IG codex.

hmmmmm i think this is doubtful

Agreed.

[Uncle Nutsy]

melee drone.

lol. anyone else get the mental image of a suit grabbing a drone from above his shoulder and throwing it like a frisbee into the enemys' face?

[DrLove42]

As much as i'd love that last info to all be true, a few of the facts stand out significant;y as unlikely, or flying directly in the face of what a lot of other stuff is saying, making me doubt the lot

The big 2 are the previously mentioned Gue'vesa, and the conversion of FW stuff into the dex, when both GW and FW have said that won't happen anymore

[Faultie]

As much as i'd love that last info to all be true, a few of the facts stand out significantly as unlikely...Chief among them that the huge rumor roundup from Kirby had a series of bolded letters spelling out "loltrollyou!"

It was a pretty good one, too, to make it to the front of BoLS for a few minutes.

[DrLove42]

Right you are. *sigh*. Seems like a huge amount of effort to troll someone. Making up a long list of rumours, building them into a huge "conversation" that if the post is just a troll must be fake, and destroying any "credability" in rumour mongering that your site had....

I wants Tau...and I wants them bad. If they could be out in March so i've got time to take them to my 2 tournements in April that'd be great

[Wildeybeast]

What a huge amount of effort to go to just to troll people. That guy really does have too much time on his hands.

[DrLove42]

I think (for what its worth) that there is stuff coming for at least 5 other armies before we see the Tau stuff. (unless they release something in advance of the main release?)

Nicked that from a few posts ago, something Eldargal reposted that Harry had said.

Since that we've had VC recieve stuff. Now rumours say Nids and Necs in February. Thats 3 armies down. I seem to recall rumours of the DE Voidraven being released sometime in the New Year.

Is 5 armies really as long as it sounds?

[DrLove42]

So everyone else got an FAQ, cept the Tau and the Templars. Does this speak to them being the next armies?

[Galadren]

So everyone else got an FAQ, cept the Tau and the Templars. Does this speak to them being the next armies?

I certainly hope so!

[Lockark]

alot of these came from Ghost21. Just pointing out alot of these should be discarded.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/426967.page

=U

[Uncle Nutsy]

well...


they're rumors. they really should be treated like a weather report. as in, it's nice if they turn out to be true, but it's nothing to get worked up over if they turn out to be false.


treating rumors as gospel just smacks me of wishful thinking.

[Panxer]

I'm seen from 5 sources now that 2012 will not see a new Tau codex... Yeah you have Black Templars, Dark Angels, 6th Ed, and even Chaos Marines slotted for O'12...but NO TAU?! Are these people effing serious?! It's enough to make me walk away from the game... That's ridiculous! It'll have been two game editions and no update! Or worse? They just give us a white dwarf update to keep us strung along...

What have you people heard?

[Lord Azaghul]

Its the same w/ whfb - the armies that most need an update and where skipped the entire prior edition aren't even on the radar - stupid GW.

[DarkLink]

they're rumors. they really should be treated like a weather report. as in, it's nice if they turn out to be true, but it's nothing to get worked up over if they turn out to be false.


But there are legitimate rumors and non-legitimate ones. ghost21 literally made stuff up, there's absolutely no reason to believe the stuff he said anymore. But if you hear something from Harry or Hastings on warseer, it's almost certainly true. And there are plenty of legitimate sources out there. The exact details might not always be completely correct, but they're likely pretty accurate. Dismissing all rumors because they're rumors is kinda silly.

[Uncle Nutsy]

why would it be silly to treat all rumors as what they are? they're rumors, not facts.

whether or not a certain person is more or less accurate about some rumors doesn't mean we should treat what they say as fact. It's a good indication, but it's not concrete.

[eldargal]

Apart from his ragequit confession, what exactly has he specifically got wrong? I mean he knew some concrete details on Dreadfleet long, long before anyone else. Also I believe it was Hastings who said he was '99.999999% certain' that there wouldn't be a plastic Daemon Prince or Bloodletters kit or something days before it went upfor sale on the GW website. Everyone gets things wrong and there are a lot of rumourmongers who have ragequit because of the abuse they are subjected to when something they heard doesn't pan up.

I'm not saying we should take him at his word yet, I'm just saying we should perhaps wait and see what happens over the next few months before dismissing what he says he heard is happening. A lot of his Empire rumours, for example, were corroborated by both Hastings and Harry, but we still don't know if they are accurate or not.

But there are legitimate rumors and non-legitimate ones. ghost21 literally made stuff up, there's absolutely no reason to believe the stuff he said anymore. But if you hear something from Harry or Hastings on warseer, it's almost certainly true. And there are plenty of legitimate sources out there. The exact details might not always be completely correct, but they're likely pretty accurate. Dismissing all rumors because they're rumors is kinda silly.

[Wrath]

Apart from his ragequit confession, what exactly has he objectively got wrong?

He was completely off on Sisters and Necrons.

Sisters could of just changed. He had then down as a full release with models and all the "fixins". GW could of just decided to put them off until after 6th.

With Necrons he let his opinion of BoK get the best of him.

I look at all rumors as what they are intended. Someone told someone else that they were told this was going to happen. If it doesn't happen, meh. If it does come true, sweet! =]

[eldargal]

I wasn't paying much attention to the Necron rumours so fair enough.:) Also that should have read 'specifically got wrong' not objectively, edited. Grumble early morning ungrumble.

[Myu]

Please Phil Kelly writing it and NOT ward or cruddace. Cruddace > Ward, but Kelly > Cruddace.

I've had Matt Ward for both Marines and Necrons this edition. Now if you please stop letting him do codices...

[gendoikari87]

**** that, people keep crying that Grey knights are over powered, and he gave them troop paladins, An OP tau codex with troop Battlesuits, now that's what I'm talking about.

[atlas_garon]

*crosses fingers*

ALL BATTLE SUIT ARMY!!!! I do not even care if its effective I'm a mecha fan and that would be the best thing i could get new codex!1

[gcsmith]

Incoming Matt Wards Tau 'EMPIRE'

With the duo Special Characters, Emperor Aun'va and Darth Shadowsun with all new non psychic force powers
And Storm trooper tau which all cloned etc.


I kid, I would much rather have Matt Ward instead of Cruddance write the book.

[Bigred]

And we've come full circle folks...

Various rumormongers are now saying they are hearing a surprise Tau release for June, the last quick release before 6th.

[Dalleron]

That could hurt the wallet then. Tau, 6th ed, Soon to follow Dark Angels. That's lots of stuff to buy, more so if the starter set is DA stuffed.

[DrBored]

Necron followed by Tau? Unless they mean that Tau are having a flier released in a splash before 6th ed drops.

Doesn't seem likely that GW will release two xenos armies back to back, especially without time to properly introduce a full Tau codex before a new edition. The 'surprise' sounds like something White Dwarf might do.

[ElectricPaladin]

And we've come full circle folks...

Various rumormongers are now saying they are hearing a surprise Tau release for June, the last quick release before 6th.

What kind of sources? Good ones, or last-round-of-Tau-rumors sources?

[Panxer]

There is no new Tau codex, there never will be a new Tau codex. All we have and all we're ever going to have is what we've got now. So learn it, live with it, learn to love it, and refine what you have. It's as good as its ever going to get. We're going to get a new codex the moment we do, and not a second sooner.

I've been caught up and devastated before by being drug along by the nose with hope that just around the corner will be the new, shiny, and glorious codex; and I'll be buggard if I'm going to fall for that trip line twice in my lifetime, so I've been forced to survive by becoming a Tau 'nihilist' (so to speak).

As I see it, it's better to live with no hope at all and exist in the moment, while learning to refine and better what you already have, than to be drug down the street tied to the bumper of hope,while praying to the GW gods that the truck will stop long enough for your skin to grow back before we get on the interstate... it's easier on your psyche in the end (trust me), it's actually kind of liberating.

It's a very dark, bare, and spartan outlook, I know, but show me, don't tell me, and you'll find my outlook and disposition to be much more sunny and <AKHEM> ...hopeful.

[newdigitaltau]

Necron followed by Tau? Unless they mean that Tau are having a flier released in a splash before 6th ed drops.

Doesn't seem likely that GW will release two xenos armies back to back, especially without time to properly introduce a full Tau codex before a new edition. The 'surprise' sounds like something White Dwarf might do.

Oh god please not a white dwarf update anything but that I will sell all my mini's back to GW if that happens... or at least attempt to WD updates only mean you are even more worthless then when you were before.

[Chinka]

I am indeed a fan of the Tau Nihilism...

As for the White dwarf stuff...you really think GW would give Tau the White Dwarf treatment? I believe Tau are quite popular even more so then Necrons, and Dark Eldar. I have faith when they come they will be done right...even if things are nerf and we have to buy shiny new things.

[DrLove42]

Difference is Sisters were an almost exclusivly direct only, metal only army. They got what they needed. If they'd waited to get a book launch, it'd need a full plastic set of minis as well and would have taken much longer

As for Tau....a tiny WD update wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Have a single page of FAQ in WD that simply says;

"From now on all Tau battlesuits are BS4, Kroot guns are Assault 2, Dead drones don't force a leadership test on units and all Markerlights fire 2 shots and all count as networked."

Short of an actual book thats half a page in WD that would mean the Tau could actually play and actually survive a game.

If they could make Dark Angels and Templars competive (or less crap) with the FAQ that re-dressed points and stuff why can't they do that with Tau? We didn't even get a FAQ in the last round

[LordGrise]

I endorse the Good Doctor's suggestions, and offer my own as well: Make markerlights assault, (I would even give up the second markerlight shot for this) so you can place them on troops and still move them. Place markerlights and sniper drones on the upgrade list for crisis suits and stealth suits. This permits deleting the never-to-be-sufficiently-damned USELESS Drone Control Guy. (pet peeve of mine, sorry) Delete the REQUIREMENT for a Devilfish for pathfinders (make it optional, IOW). Oh, and drones need to be BS3 minimum. (Why in hades would anyone produce wardrones and NOT put the targeting tech into them?)

[Bigred]

Its said to be the full thing - codex update and all.

Rumor is out of the blue, but the source is old and trustworthy.

If you all remember, this is the return of the "old trend" as the stories were pointing to a Q1-2 Tau release in the Fall of last year, before all the Dark Angel/Chaos stuff started to shoot up.

And for those who are wondering, this is not the same source as the discredited Ghost21 who fed the community lies in February.

[DrLove42]

I remember Tau being March in the rumours, and being disappointed when it wasn't.

I don't hold out a lot of hope for them in the mean time. I took mine to a national tournement last weekend, expecting to have a laugh and get drunk, and ended up coming 4th. They'd been in storage for the last year and a half, and will likely return to the box until we get another book

They can work, but mostly because most people have forgotton what they're like.

We know now (99%) that May is Necrons and maybe some new Fantasy bits (from the back page of WD). Which puts June as the next slot.

Only problem remains of rumours that the Chaos dex is printed, and the DA is maybe being done, but nothing of the sort for Tau.

The only downside of a new Tau codex will be the loss of the best 5 points you can ever spend....Disruption Pods :'(

[ElectricPaladin]

Only problem remains of rumours that the Chaos dex is printed, and the DA is maybe being done, but nothing of the sort for Tau.


In fact, one of my contacts in the world of guys-who-own-FLGSs tells me that the warehouses are still full of Tau codices, and that GW is apparently very good about not spending money to print books that their own release schedule will render unsellable.



The only downside of a new Tau codex will be the loss of the best 5 points you can ever spend....Disruption Pods :'(

You think so? At least it's an upgrade that nobody ever bothers to model :-/.

[DrLove42]

Disruption pods might still exist, but i doubt theyl give a 4+ save for 5pts

[Bushido]

In fact, one of my contacts in the world of guys-who-own-FLGSs tells me that the warehouses are still full of Tau codices, and that GW is apparently very good about not spending money to print books that their own release schedule will render unsellable.

I don't know how true that is. My local Rogue Trader still has stacks and stacks of the previous Necrons Codex. They even had an old Guard codex last time I was there.

[Bigred]

Yeah, we have three "rumor branches" going on right now:

1) Chaos Legions is next -
PROS: codices are said to back from printers, minis are done, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: GW's desire to wait till after 6th launches to put out such an important book
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

2) Tau is next -
PROS: last major un-updated codex from 4th, minis are done, and on ice for months, no word on codex
CONS: Surprise rumor coming out of nowhere, would be 2 xenos in a row for codex releases
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Average

3) Dark Angels are next-
PROS: older codex in need of an update, DA minis seen in the new starter painting sets, matches the power-armor / non power armor release pattern
CONS: Yet another marine variant, with low interest, after 6 months of no new 40K codices.
RUMORMONGER CREDIBILITY: Low

[Panxer]

No one's mentioned the Tau update from forgeworld yet. I believe this is as good as its probably going to get in the near future, so take what you got and run with it. It's downloadable from forgeworld as a pdf, and I'd advise you to check it out. It's legal on the table and it probably the best update we're going to get.

It's got weapons options in there which make hammerheads more versatile, Kroot have cavalry and monstrous creatures, sensor towers make a unit within 6" of it twin-linked per turn, deepstriking drone sentry turrets with weapon options, tetra marker light skimmers which shoot 4 ML shots which hit on a 3+, and new xv8 commander variants.

Definitely worth looking into.

[ragnarcissist]

No one's mentioned the Tau update from forgeworld yet. I believe this is as good as its probably going to get in the near future, so take what you got and run with it. It's downloadable from forgeworld as a pdf, and I'd advise you to check it out. It's legal on the table and it probably the best update we're going to get.

It's got weapons options in there which make hammerheads more versatile, Kroot have cavalry and monstrous creatures, sensor towers make a unit within 6" of it twin-linked per turn, deepstriking drone sentry turrets with weapon options, tetra marker light skimmers which shoot 4 ML shots which hit on a 3+, and new xv8 commander variants.

Definitely worth looking into.


cannot find this, please link it!! thanks!

[ElectricPaladin]

cannot find this, please link it!! thanks!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/t/Tauupdate.pdf

[newdigitaltau]

Whatever does come out in the next few months will definitely point us in a direction of when Tau may come out. However if Tau are coming out I would suspect more model rumors to come forth. But still I'm highly doubtful that Tau is next. As sad as that makes me. However with the huge debacle that was the false rumors it could be that everyone would think that anything said for Tau would be released would be labeled as false until an official release... even then I think some people would disbelieve.

[DrLove42]

But that said (and by that i mean "if Tau are coming out I would suspect more model rumors to come forth") theres not a lot of model rumours for anything.

The only model rumours are those DA in the starter packs

[MajorWesJanson]

Model Rumors?
So far I have heard of rumors for the following models:
Cron Wraiths
Cron Spyders
Cron Scythes
Ork Fighta
Starter Chaos Cultists
Starter Chaos Chosen
Chaos Dreadnought
Chaos Raptors
Chaos Havocs
Iron Warriors character/Warsmith

[TheCastigator]

I really hope that GW does not make the mistake of releasing a codex now, in advance of 6th. Tau, when they came out, sold pretty well as I recall. By releasing them, or any other army for that matter, now, they would lose the ability to cash in on the hard back codex in addition to the general fan fare that will come up when the edition is released. If a book is released pre 6th it will be lost in the wash and the rumors seem to reflect that this is the current line of thinking on GW's part. A "surprise" wave of flyers would be a much better lead into the edition, that will no doubt showcase flyers, than seemingly rushing out a new codex that may or may not be in the starter set.

[Prodigalson]

The consensus appears to be that next month is a fist full of flyers. Nightscythe/Doomscythe/SM flyer/Ork Fighter (and I think Harry has hinted at more then that. Perhaps a two flyer kit for orks?)

[TheCastigator]

Based on the descriptions we've seen for this mystery event, it certainly seems to be a potential 6th ed demo. I certainly hope that flyers is the case.

Regardless, I hope the accelerated schedule rumor is true and we will see Tau in the fall or early next year.

[ksoh75]

:rolleyes:SO as of today's post on the front page.....Tau early out of the gates 2013........:mad:

HOWEVER!!! We might not die on December 22 this year either so that's a good thing. I can see this being a January release.....even early February.

I don't care.....I'm in it for the long haul......I'll never play a nother stinking army again that isn't Tau related.....:D

[Defenestratus]

You wont have to wait as long as us pointy-ears.

[Panxer]

I still remain a staunch Tau rumor atheist. We'll get a codex the moment we do, and not a second before. It's like when we were kids, if you watch the clock at school, the time went...by.....so........slow....ly...., BUT if you just forget about it, have fun where you may, learn your Tau'Va, play a different army, take up another game system, and before you can open your eyes, the new dex will be here, and we'll all hug and pop the champagne... But for now? NewTau codex? What new Tau codex?

P.S I am SO hoping that the Ultra Marines learning that the Tau are the saviors of mankind if true...I would LLLLAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHH...so hard. In YO FACE Black Templars! Death to the heretic and the xenos?! This xenos is the only shot you've got at ever defeating chaos! St 10 rail gun this! Bwahahhahaahahha...ha.

[ksoh75]

I still remain a staunch Tau rumor atheist. We'll get a codex the moment we do, and not a second before. It's like when we were kids, if you watch the clock at school, the time went...by.....so........slow....ly...., BUT if you just forget about it, have fun where you may, learn your Tau'Va, play a different army, take up another game system, and before you can open your eyes, the new dex will be here, and we'll all hug and pop the champagne... But for now? NewTau codex? What new Tau codex?

P.S I am SO hoping that the Ultra Marines learning that the Tau are the saviors of mankind if true...I would LLLLAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHH...so hard. In YO FACE Black Templars! Death to the heretic and the xenos?! This xenos is the only shot you've got at ever defeating chaos! St 10 rail gun this! Bwahahhahaahahha...ha.

A couple of us are talking about this in our area. It's quite amusing that "TAU" is the key. Thus now why explains their "WARP" issues.

Screw the Warp....I'll take huge mass destruction weapons of pure firepower anyday over anything melee.

Nothing like the satisfaction of mowing down your enemy from one corner of the board to another....

Railguns....oh how I love the.......

[Bushido]

P.S I am SO hoping that the Ultra Marines learning that the Tau are the saviors of mankind if true...I would LLLLAAAAUUUUGGGGGHHHH...so hard. In YO FACE Black Templars! Death to the heretic and the xenos?! This xenos is the only shot you've got at ever defeating chaos! St 10 rail gun this! Bwahahhahaahahha...ha.

That would be the dumbest plot development ever. It would go against everything that the Imperium and the tone of the entire 40k universe are built on. Suppose one walked up to an Astartes - a genetically and surgically modified, brain-washed engine of death and said "the Tau are immune to chaos." He'd simply load his bolter, shrug and say "So is the heart of every faithful servant of the God Emperor, and none of them are filthy xeno scum! And how do you know so much about chaos anyway?", then he'd probably put a sacred bolter round in the face of the person who tried to argue the righteousness of the the Tau, just on the off-chance they're a filthy xenos-loving heretic . . .

[ksoh75]

That would be the dumbest plot development ever. It would go against everything that the Imperium and the tone of the entire 40k universe are built on. Suppose one walked up to an Astartes - a genetically and surgically modified, brain-washed engine of death and said "the Tau are immune to chaos." He'd simply load his bolter, shrug and say "So is the heart of every faithful servant of the God Emperor, and none of them are filthy xeno scum! And how do you know so much about chaos anyway?", then he'd probably put a sacred bolter round in the face of the person who tried to argue the righteousness of the the Tau, just on the off-chance they're a filthy xenos-loving heretic . . .

AAAAH but the rumors go farther.....That the marines are going to separate their selves from the Imperium...if that's the case, well.....the possibilities are there

[Bushido]

AAAAH but the rumors go farther.....That the marines are going to separate their selves from the Imperium...if that's the case, well.....the possibilities are there

That would be such a massive shift in the narrative that I doubt it even more. Astartes Chapters don't merely "separate" themselves from the rule of the Imperium of Man, not without dire consequences for all; remember the Badab War? The High Lords of Terra, the Ecclesiarchy, the Inquisition . . . These organizations haven't lasted 10,000 years by letting Astartes Chapters merely "opt out" of the whole Adeptus Terra program. I mean if Astartes start pulling that, what's to stop the Mechanicus from pulling out next. It's bad enough when a few Planetary Governors at a time start attempting to go independent or allie themselves with xenos and darker forces, what happens when whole sectors held by Astartes start crumbling. No, unless the theme of 6th edition is "The Imperium falls apart entirely" then I don't buy it.

[ksoh75]

That would be such a massive shift in the narrative that I doubt it even more. Astartes Chapters don't merely "separate" themselves from the rule of the Imperium of Man, not without dire consequences for all; remember the Badab War? The High Lords of Terra, the Ecclesiarchy, the Inquisition . . . These organizations haven't lasted 10,000 years by letting Astartes Chapters merely "opt out" of the whole Adeptus Terra program. I mean if Astartes start pulling that, what's to stop the Mechanicus from pulling out next. It's bad enough when a few Planetary Governors at a time start attempting to go independent or allie themselves with xenos and darker forces, what happens when whole sectors held by Astartes start crumbling. No, unless the theme of 6th edition is "The Imperium falls apart entirely" then I don't buy it.

Don't get me wrong, neihter do I....thus...the enjoyment we get of rumors....and the speculations that come out of the wood work. I for one, am pretty excited. I was excited about 5th....ended up not even playing it.....so here's hoping 6th is at least better than that.

[Bushido]

I enjoyed 5th very much, it pretty much got me back in to wargaming having been away from it since 2nd ed. I'm going to reserve judgement on 6th until I'm holding it in my hands though.

[meltedwing]

So, having now left Warseer and joined Bell of Lost Souls, I figured I would pop into the rumor thread for my favorite 40k army.

Just a couple of things to note. There are a few rumor sources noting that Tau will be the last update of 5th ed. This is actually really old rumor as the release time frame for Tau was to be last codex of 5th.

The murkier bit of this is that several sources who have confirmed this information have also indicated that they haven't seen a codex yet and they are pretty sure that the time frame was pushed out at some point, up to a year in the future.

As much as I love Tau and would incredibly ecstatic at having a new codex very soon, I actually expect the codex to come out first quarter of 2013 at the earliest and 2nd quarter 2013 at the latest.

Having it come out then would be highly advantageous for us Tau players. We'd get a book that is more tuned for 6th. We'd get a hardback book. We'd have a higher likelihood of getting Tetras in the codex.

Anyway, good to be here. Hope you all are having an awesome day!

[ksoh75]

So, having now left Warseer and joined Bell of Lost Souls, I figured I would pop into the rumor thread for my favorite 40k army.

Just a couple of things to note. There are a few rumor sources noting that Tau will be the last update of 5th ed. This is actually really old rumor as the release time frame for Tau was to be last codex of 5th.

The murkier bit of this is that several sources who have confirmed this information have also indicated that they haven't seen a codex yet and they are pretty sure that the time frame was pushed out at some point, up to a year in the future.

As much as I love Tau and would incredibly ecstatic at having a new codex very soon, I actually expect the codex to come out first quarter of 2013 at the earliest and 2nd quarter 2013 at the latest.

Having it come out then would be highly advantageous for us Tau players. We'd get a book that is more tuned for 6th. We'd get a hardback book. We'd have a higher likelihood of getting Tetras in the codex.

Anyway, good to be here. Hope you all are having an awesome day!



Welcome home brother!! HA!

Yeah all old rumors...and I agree....I'm hoping for Tau for my Birthday this next year.....that's if the Myan calander isn't right...LOL

Either way...can't wait...I'm building a 6th Edition MEQ list right now....taking it slow....but now thanks to the price hike, put it in gear and bought some stuff up. I also feel Pirahna's are going to get a big increase coming as well as suits....new model's?? Egh......doesn't matter. Would love to see plastic Broadsides....or finecast the least.....

[MajorWesJanson]

Welcome home brother!! HA!

Yeah all old rumors...and I agree....I'm hoping for Tau for my Birthday this next year.....that's if the Myan calander isn't right...LOL

Either way...can't wait...I'm building a 6th Edition MEQ list right now....taking it slow....but now thanks to the price hike, put it in gear and bought some stuff up. I also feel Pirahna's are going to get a big increase coming as well as suits....new model's?? Egh......doesn't matter. Would love to see plastic Broadsides....or finecast the least.....

They found another Mayan calendar that gives us at least another 4000 years. We are fine.

Tau in early 2013 is good, lets me save some money for them. Especially with the new price bands :(

[ksoh75]

They found another Mayan calendar that gives us at least another 4000 years. We are fine.

Tau in early 2013 is good, lets me save some money for them. Especially with the new price bands :(

Agreed bro, just hoping anything new will be tings that are "NEW" so that way it won't be too bad....like...give me my Baricuda already.....lol