Necron Advanced order up on GW

[Slug]

https://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

Necrons are here officially.

Codex: Necrons
Necron Ghost Ark / Doomsday Ark. plastic
Necron Catacomb Command Barge / Annihilation Barge. plastic
Necron Lychguard / Triarch Praetorians. plastic
Necron Immortals / Deathmarks. plastic
Imotekh the Stormlord. fincast
Necron Overlord. fincast
Trazyn the Infinite. fincast
Necron Cryptek. fincast
Necron Lord with Resurrection Orb. fincast
Necron Lord. plastic
Classic Necron Lord. plastic
C'tan Shard of The Nightbringer. fincast
C'tan Shard of The Deceiver. fincast
Necron Flayed One Pack. fincast

All the old plastic models are still in the same packaging with green rods and all. Also much of the fluff rumors seem to be right about Necrons being interested in empire building not life harvesting.

Also Eldar finecast is up as well along with a few Space Marines.

Eldar Warp Spiders
Eldar Howling Banshees
Eldar Fire Dragons
Eldar Swooping Hawks
Harlequin Troupe
Eldrad Ulthran
Captain Sicarius
High Marshal Helbrecht
Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing

[Ardboy]

Yeah, I've been pouring through the descriptions to get a feel for the new fluff (C'Tan Shard was interesting). Also, I noticed that alot of the units can get a transport I havn't heard of yet called a "Night Scythe"... have there been any rumors on that or what it is supposed to be?

[Slug]

I haven't seen anything on the Night Scythe but we can guess that it will probably be a second wave model. Flayed ones look nasty with 3 attacks and some way of infiltrating. Crypteks are very interesting as well, they seem to be able to upgrade to one of 5 different forms, maybe where the rumor for the use of shards comes from since we now have the C'tan back as an individual unit. The C'tan shards themselves seem like real game changers with the ability to either tactically alter the game, redeploy d3 units etc, or just add some real combat punch to the game, oh and there is a power to destroy meltas and flamers. the two special character so far released also seem to be able to really change how the army works with some really nifty abilities. The comments Ward makes really gives away allot about how everything functions, I really like it, it gives a really good idea of how the army will function and what to buy for a certain build or theme.

[Kawauso]

From the Necron Rules Summary thread regarding the Night Scythe:
• Night Scythe: A variant of the Doom Scythe fighter that is a 15 model flyer transport with the 'supersonic' 36" flat-out move that the new flyers (that are really skimmers) have. Can carry jump infantry models (taking up 2 spots each) and fire all its weapons even when moving at cruising speed. Has living metal (chance to ignore crew shaken & stunned) but not quantum shielding (which gives +2 armor until the vehicle suffers its first glancing or penetrating hit). AV 11/11/11 like most Necron vehicles (not open-topped though).



Anyway, I'm super excited that Necrons are finally on their way here. A little disappointed about some aspects of this release, though...namely the old kits that have been repackaged, but not updated in any way. For example, rumours point to Destroyers being able to upgrade to Heavy Destroyers...yet we still have to buy them separately? And Heavy Destroyers are hybrid plastic/metal kits still?

I mean, they're doing a Finecast version of the ooold Necron Lord...but we still have a hybrid plastic/metal kit in our army? Really?
EDIT: Two, actually, counting the Destroyer Lord.

Also would have been nice to have the weapon sprue in the Warrior kit updated to include the new Gauss Flayers from the Ghost/Doomsday Ark kit...I like 'em more than the old green rods, myself.

Ah well. Overall, very excited for this release. A number of things about it that bug me, though.

Here's hoping we don't have to wait a million years for more model waves, now...More like DE and less like 'nids, please.

[Brass Scorpion]

Mostly good looking release and not too horrible on the prices considering the overall product line these days. Exception, the Flayed Ones. $45 for 5 when the other sets are $33 for 5 models. And those Finecast sets assuredly cost less to produce than multi-part plastic sprue sets. Tip: convert them from regular plastic Necron Warriors, it should be relatively easy. Add some blades out of bits or plastic card, add some skin coverings using thin plastic card or Green Stuff.

Also I'll point out that this new range and rules were completely finished more than 2 years ago. Like many GW releases they made us wait quite a while before fitting this revision into the release schedule. Rumors have abounded for more than a year that this revision was completed, but languishing unreleased and those rumors were apparently correct.

Now I know these days people will argue with you if you say fish live in water or grass is usually green, but here goes something else that is hardly "radical".

This is not an anthropology lesson nor is it a lesson in ancient cultures. The fact is quite clearly that GW used ancient Egyptian aesthetics as a primary source for both their Tomb Kings and Necron model ranges though arguing about specifics is neither important or of consequence to most. Both model ranges are undead skeleton armies rising from sands and tombs, each respectively has items like pyramids, sphinxes and other blatantly and mainly Egyptian themed iconography in their aesthetics. The roots or relationships between ancient Egyptian civilization and the cultures that preceded them is irrelevant, we're talking about iconic and easily recognized themes used to hook average customers for these model ranges and GW went to one of the most popular and easily recognized ancient civilizations to do so. Of course there are plenty of other things going on here too with GW design as usual (e.g., The Terminator, Tomb of the Cybermen, in this case). I don't know what certain other people are trying to do recently, but it's unnecessary, irrelevant, and on most people, including those equally or more educated on the topic it's a failure.

Even the names of the Necron characters are Ancient Egypt inspired (e.g., Imotekh, yeah sure, that was not inspired by the name, Imhotep, no way :P).

Personally I don't mind the "Tomb Kings In Space" look, in fact I rather like it. I've seen quite a few complaints about it from others though. No matter what design aesthetics GW chooses for each range they won't please everyone. That will never happen, but some people don't seem to be able to get over that idea. GW has to make choices that will please enough customers to sell well, there's no way they can customize every design for every customer. For those that don't like them, pick something else but don't expect that a minority opinion on the range will get GW to alter it. Only a large number of customers disliking it and a corresponding severe drop in sales would do that.

And if by chance this post draws an angry, rambling rebuttal, I won't read it or reply to it, there's enough of that around already and saying it again won't make it sound more convincing or add anything new worth seeing. I've had my say and I'm out of this thread permanently.

The War Store (www.thewarstore.com) is already taking orders for new Necrons for those who like that 20% off and flat $5.95 shipping. I'll probably buy some of the new plastics to go with the old ones I have stashed away. I bought both Phalanx Necron bundle deals from The War Store a few years ago during the Apocalypse promotion so I have the core of an army, a large one, that cost about $223 for 3 Monoliths, 48 Warriors, 6 Destroyers and a Lord.

Have a good weekend everyone!

[Slug]

It matters not what influences the ancient Egyptians had on their aesthetics when it comes to GW model designs. This is not an anthropology lesson nor is it a lesson in ancient cultures. The fact is quite clearly that GW used ancient Egyptian aesthetics as a primary source for both their Tomb Kings and Necron model ranges. Both are undead skeleton armies rising from sands and tombs, each respectively has items like pyramids, sphinxes and other blatantly and mainly Egyptian themed iconography in their aesthetics. The roots or relationships between ancient Egyptian civilization and the cultures that preceded them is irrelevant, we're talking about iconic and easily recognized themes used to hook average customers for these model ranges and GW went to one of the most popular and easily recognized ancient civilizations to do so. Of course there are plenty of other things going on here too with GW design as usual (e.g., The Terminator, Tomb of the Cybermen, in this case). I don't know what certain other people are trying to do recently, but it's unnecessary, irrelevant, and on most people, including those equally or more educated on the topic it's a failure.

Even the names of the Necron characters are Ancient Egypt inspired (e.g., Imotekh, yeah sure, that's nothing like Imhotep, no way :P).



Thank you, this is the whole point of the aesthetics, it may be more closely related to some other culture but when you see Necrons and read the fluff you instantly think Egypt they even have Pherons.

[Wildcard]

I did see many weapon profiles with str 4,6 or 9 and ALL AP1. Lots of ap1.. :)
Scoring HQ.
All the fun and experimental gadgets and weapons

I am bit afraid :)

Anyway, hope my friend will get his new dex soon, and his new toaster army up and running so we can try how well it plays out afterall :)

[Slug]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=3VxsnuyMIM0

Nothing new in here but I thought it was a pretty neat way to show off all the new units.

[warpcrafter]

Those Flayed Ones are obscenely high. I see lots of OOP Flayed Ones changing hands via Ebay, or hoarded jealously.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I will say when looking at the 360 shots of the new models, I love all the new looks. I especially love how the Triarch praetorian has that cage up the back of its spine, likely covering the teleportation matrix, it looks really neat. I also love how many of the commanders have that hunched, hooded look to them with the metallic spine, really well done overall. I have to say I cannot wait until they come out with the Doom/Nightscythe, I am really looking forward to seeing that model.

Also the Lynchguard with the shield really looks wonderful from all angles, I really cannot wait to get my hands on that kit.



Thank you, this is the whole point of the aesthetics, it may be more closely related to some other culture but when you see Necrons and read the fluff you instantly think Egypt they even have Pherons.

Except you know....they aren't Egyptian Aesthetics. The only people who honestly think this is uniquely Egyptian aesthetics are people who have seen too many mummy movies. Don't get me wrong there are some Egyptian themed names in it, but I think this has all been said before, you people didn't get the clue then, you wont get it now.



As for the above "This is what I think and despite how people far more educated disagree with me I'm going to say this and never respond to it again because god forbid I actually have an intellectual debate" sorry for the paraphrasing. Grow the hell up, seriously, I have seen two year olds act more mature than this. We get it, you don't like Eldargal, and you don't like being shown up, get over it.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Except you know....they aren't Egyptian Aesthetics. The only people who honestly think this is uniquely Egyptian aesthetics are people who have seen too many mummy movies. Don't get me wrong there are some Egyptian themed names in it, but I think this has all been said before, you people didn't get the clue then, you wont get it now.

Not all of us who see the Egyptian influence are limited to Mummy movies and Stargate. Come on, that's such an inane way to dispute another's opinion by claiming the basis behind it is grounded in less intellectual territory than yours. I'm not going to claim to be an expert in Egyptology or classic history to vaunt my opinion, but it's certainly not so limited as you, or others holding a similar stance on the design ethic, think. (However, my brother who has a PhD in history thinks that anyone who denies the Egyptian influence is in the wrong.) It's probably for the best just to leave discussions on aesthetics alone; a waste of space when you are never going to convince the other.




As for the above "This is what I think and despite how people far more educated disagree with me I'm going to say this and never respond to it again because god forbid I actually have an intellectual debate" sorry for the paraphrasing. Grow the hell up, seriously, I have seen two year olds act more mature than this. We get it, you don't like Eldargal, and you don't like being shown up, get over it.

This is rich. As I can recall, Eldargal started by claiming her opinion was more right simply because she went to some great university (so, universities now should stop grading people and instead just hand out degrees if you attend, because obviously in her eyes that all you need) and travelled in Egypt. If one party wants to use the "Appeal to Authority" style of arguing then get used to people responding angrily. Further, your stance that some of us - certainly not me - are taking this stance because we don't like Eldargal is pure ad hominem.

Again, we're debating aesthetics here, and until Jes Goodwin or Matt Ward tell us the source of their design inspiration we're wasting everyone's time.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Not all of us who see the Egyptian influence are limited to Mummy movies and Stargate. Come on, that's such an inane way to dispute another's opinion by claiming the basis behind it is grounded in less intellectual territory than yours. I'm not going to claim to be an expert in Egyptology or classic history to vaunt my opinion, but it's certainly not so limited as you, or others holding a similar stance on the design ethic, think. (However, my brother who has a PhD in history thinks that anyone who denies the Egyptian influence is in the wrong.) It's probably for the best just to leave discussions on aesthetics alone; a waste of space when you are never going to convince the other.





This is rich. As I can recall, Eldargal started by claiming her opinion was more right simply because she went to some great university (so, universities now should stop grading people and instead just hand out degrees if you attend, because obviously in her eyes that all you need) and travelled in Egypt. If one party wants to use the "Appeal to Authority" style of arguing then get used to people responding angrily. Further, your stance that some of us - certainly not me - are taking this stance because we don't like Eldargal is pure ad hominem.

Again, we're debating aesthetics here, and until Jes Goodwin or Matt Ward tell us the source of their design inspiration we're wasting everyone's time.

Thank you for at least creating an intellectual response, though I would disagree with you on the finer points, though pretty much yes there is no point at this point in time. My vitriol was specifically at the way of going about things, and the immaturity involved. The section I put in quotes basically sums up my irritation with it, and its a common tactic, they have their belief, and they know the opposition has facts and examples behind them, but they don't want to hear that. It is a trend that I see here in America all the time, and frankly it frustrates the living hell out of me (or the living metal if we wanna fit with the theme -giggles).

As for your comments on Eldargal and her education, I leave that to her to defend herself. I really only will say counteracting what i said with a strawman of what you think she has said is a bit...whats the word I'm looking for...irony wouldn't be it...I will just go with silly.

[eldargal]

Brass Scorpion is just having an hissy fit because his ignorance of the subject was highlighted by a girl and his little ego couldn't cope. I appreciate his commitment to correct spelling and grammar but it become clear he is just a sad little egotist in recent times.

Whether or not GW started with an Egyptian aesthetic in mind is irrelevent, they changed it so much it is now simply 'Necron' and what people see as Egyptian features are common to any number of near eastern cultures.

My response was not based on what university I attended, I backed it up with facts. I mentioned the university to help highlight the fact I was arguing from a position of actual knowledge, not a passing acquaintance with Egypt or owning Stargate on DVD. Funny thing is when I posted lots of pictures in other threads highlighting how the aesthetic elements (boats, symbols, hieroglyphs etc) were NOT exclusively few of my critics seemed too keen to respond. Strange that.

As for the name Imotekh, so what? None of the other names are Egyptian. Is Brass Scorpion also arguing that the Dark Eldar are Hebrew because of Lelith?

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

As for your comments on Eldargal and her education, I leave that to her to defend herself. I really only will say counteracting what i said with a strawman of what you think she has said is a bit...whats the word I'm looking for...irony wouldn't be it...I will just go with silly.

At the risk of derailing the thread, Eldargal made the comment that her education made her opinion more valid, and my response above was to point out that it's not a valid debating tool. I'm not sure how my comment is a strawman argument, because quoting someone's error is not "building something up to knock down easily". Her comments did that for themselves ;) However, my point was valid in the context of what you said before:


"This is what I think and despite how people far more educated disagree with me I'm going to say this and never respond to it again because god forbid I actually have an intellectual debate" . . . We get it, you don't like Eldargal, and you don't like being shown up, get over it.

Again, this is outright ad hominem and really poor form to dispute the other side by reducing them to having an issue with another person. But to where I was getting: claiming someone is more educated, or shows them up, when the crux of any argument is not to say "I went to this university so therefore I am right" but instead to actually show how you are right. All I have seen, from both sides, is "you say/see, I say/see". No one has really given hard evidence; hence, my call for at least a GW designer to fill us in.

Anyway, I don't want to debate this anymore - it's frankly boring. Let's get back to discussing the awesome new Necron models :)

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Brass Scorpion is just having an hissy fit because his ignorance of the subject was highlighted by a girl and his little ego couldn't cope. I appreciate his commitment to correct spelling and grammar but it become clear he is just a sad little egotist in recent times.

Oh, give it a break. Don't make personal attacks. How immature.

[eldargal]

Again, wrong. I did not say my opinions were more valid because I had a university education, I highlighted the fact my opinions were based on an education in the relevent area. I provided considerable evidence for my opinions, more than anyone else has provided against them. But all that gets ignored in favour of championing some moronic pop culture view of history over actual facts.


At the risk of derailing the thread, Eldargal made the comment that her education made her opinion more valid, and my response above was to point out that it's not a valid debating tool. I'm not sure how my comment is a strawman argument, because quoting someone's error is not "building something up to knock down easily". Her comments did that for themselves ;) However, my point was valid in the context of what you said before:

Why not? Everyone else did it against me.You yourself are continuing to deliberately misrepresent my comments for a start. If you want immature, how about putting forward a highly flawd argument ith no evidence nad then saying he won't respond to any criticisms of it? Just stating something as fact and refusing to defend it is just so mature I guess.

Oh, give it a break. Don't make personal attacks. How immature.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Why not? Everyone else did it against me.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Proper arguments will not occur when people fall into the trap of personal attacks as opposed to utilising factual, or reasonable, comments. At the risk of sounding condescending, think for a moment if everyone started responding with personal attacks . . . nothing essential or important is said. Be the better person, Eldargal. I know you are smart and reasonable. Don't respond in kind. This forum will fall into chaos, or Khorne's grip otherwise ;)

To help you: http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html


You yourself are continuing to deliberately misrepresent my comments for a start.

LOL Not really. But I'll leave you to think that ;)

[Kawauso]

Can we, you know, talk about the new Necrons again?

Who cares what percentage of their aesthetic is Egyptian vs. Sumerian. Some of it is Egyptian - the people arguing that are right. Some of it isn't - the people arguing that are also right. This is getting old, and childish.

There are new Necrons coming, and they're sweet. :P
Fingers crossed for me finding the coin to spare for some of them.
At the very least I look forward to poring over the new book and getting in some games with my old models under newer rules.

[Lexington]

Except you know....they aren't Egyptian Aesthetics. The only people who honestly think this is uniquely Egyptian aesthetics are people who have seen too many mummy movies.
For me, anyhoot, the problem is that the designers of this line seem to have only ever seen some mummy movies while researching this project. In a move not dissimilar to the rest of GW's boneheaded IP handling of late, they took a once-subtle and very interesting aesthetic and cranked it up to 'obvious,' seemingly in order to reach the densest population of twits allowed by physical laws.

On the flip-side, I'll give 'em that many of these miniatures look better without brass chest-pieces and other 'Eavy Metal nonsense from previous pictures. Those Lycheguard headpieces are unforgivable, tho.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

For me, anyhoot, the problem is that the designers of this line seem to have only ever seen some mummy movies. In a move not dissimilar to the rest of GW's boneheaded IP handling of late, they took a once-subtle and very interesting aesthetic and cranked it up to 'obvious,' seemingly in order to reach the densest population of twits allowed by physical laws.

On the flip-side, I'll give 'em that many of these miniatures look better without brass chest-pieces and other 'Eavy Metal nonsense from previous pictures. Those Lycheguard headpieces are unforgivable, tho.

I do agree that the old aesthetic was better, but I don't mind the new look. You could always remove the headpieces - not so hard now with plastic and finecast. But yeah, the headpieces are odd.

[Deadlift]

I provided considerable evidence for my opinions, more than anyone else has provided against them.

You posted some pictures :p

and as for providing more evidence, well I am thinking that because of your love for Eldar and obviously ancient egypt your argument was maybe biased, but actually after you pointed out all the similarities in the symbolism between egypt and the Eldar you did have a point, I still argue though its not just Eldar that have some design cues from ancient Egypt. But then why not. Were all entitled to our own points of view.

As for the new releases, Its great to see so many combined kits. Just not sure what to buy lol. But Eldargal I was right at least about one thing. The combined kit for the Lychguard and Triarch :D

Now what to pre-order lol, I was lucky that I got my WD yesterday and the battle report was good. *SPOILERS* below











The Necrons lose, and I cant remember a time when a new 40k army has done that

[eldargal]

Fair points, but the fact is I tried to engage in an intellectual debate on this and all Igot for my trouble was blank dismissals with no evidence and increasing amounts of personal abuse when I tried to provide some actual facts. Then Brass Scorpion, whose initial argument on the BoLS blog I shall address below, posts a highly flawed argument with no evidence, including some very deliberate barbs at me, but refuses to engage on the subject. This makes me cranky.


That has to be a facetious comment. Even the new Ark model has an Egyptian river boat aesthetic to it in its basic silhouette. The Necrons have never had a stronger Egyptian inspired theme than they do now and the similarities to Tomb Kings in theme are also blatant.


Go google 'sumerian boat' and tell me there is something specifically Egyptian about the Ark.
New bold. This is the total sum of his argument. No evidence, nothing. So here is a typical Egyptian boat:
http://www.insinga.com/merle/egyptian_boat_100.jpg

Here is a typical Sumerian boat:
http://www.historicalgenesis.com/Images/picture_03.jpg

And the Necron ark:
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2003417a_99120110014_DoomsdayArk01_873x627.jpg

For good measure, a Greek trireme with similar silhuoette:
http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/war/images/TriremePlan1.jpg

Does the ghost ark look Egyptian? Well yes, but it also looks Sumerian and a little bit Greek. Because the traits people are interpreting as Egyptian are Egyptian but not exclusively so. You see the point I'm getting at? I provide evidence, I get vitriol and moronic responses to which I'm made to feel petty for replying too. If Brass Scorpion wanted to engage in an intellectual debate it would be different, but he has made it clear he doesn't. So as far as I'm concerned this is a petty attempt to bolster is ago by getting back at a girl who knows more than he.

Picutres are evidence, especially in a debate about aesthetics.

You posted some pictures


Anyway, I'm done. If Brass Scorpion wants to act like a man and actually have a debate he can PM or start a topic in the background section. So can anyone else if they wish.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

If Brass Scorpion wanted to engage in an intellectual debate it would be different, but he has made it clear he doesn't. So as far as I'm concerned this is a petty attempt to bolster is ago by getting back at a girl who knows more than he.

You just cant let go, can you? I'm getting tired of this. And could you please stop continuing this annoying debate and linking pictures which are too large?

[eldargal]

How about you stop whining and post some facts relevent to hte argument or butt out?


You just cant let go, can you? I'm getting tired of this. And could you please stop continuing this annoying debate and linking pictures which are too large?

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

How about you stop whining and post some facts relevent to hte argument or butt out?

No, I'm asking you to stop making personal attacks - I actually don't want to engage in the Necron influence debate, and like the previous poster said, can we just get back to talking about how great the new models are?

Anyway, your posts have been reported to a moderator.

[Deadlift]

so based on what we have seen, what are those of us who are buying, going to pre-order 1st ?

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

so based on what we have seen, what are those of us who are buying, going to pre-order going to get 1st ?

I will probably get the Codex, a Lord, Praetorians and the Immortals - which is painful as I just started Tau, and have 2000 points of Dark Eldar to finish. Oh yeah, will pre-order.

[Deadlift]

I will probably get the Codex, a Lord, Praetorians and the Immortals - which is painful as I just started Tau, and have 2000 points of Dark Eldar to finish. Oh yeah, will pre-order.

I already have about 4000 pts of crons, but with so many new units now available....well glad I eBayed my old Deathguard army, its paying for this shopping spree.

[eldargal]

Well everything is nice enough but I can't say any of it makes me want to start a Necron army. Some of the new fluff seems to be promising enough, I think I'll get the book but I still find the overall lookof the army too sterile. Though it has certainly improved a lot.

[Slug]

This debate basically come down to the fact that if you dissect the aesthetics of the Necron army you will find it has more in common with Mesopotamian culture then Egyptian. However, I at least would argue more likely the aesthetic was indeed based off of pop culture and the more common view of Egyptian aesthetics. If you went out onto the street and asked people their opinion where the design theme for this army came from most would respond with Egypt. Yes this is technically incorrect, but to GW the popular version would be more important and have more of a sway on the design process then the theoretically correct version, in the end the pop version is not "moronic" and holds more power than any other version just due to popularity.

Also this whole, He got shown by a girl and so went and cried business annoys me, unless you have actually asked Brass Scorpion don't make assumptions, it truly does sound like you saying that just because you're female anyone you disagree with can't get annoyed about your opinion. I don't think you’re specifically wrong however I think that you refuse to acknowledge the significance of the popular version of the Egyptian aesthetics. Also, I would hardly call someone saying their piece and then saying that the argument has already been had, I'm out immature, however trying to argue against someone by labelling them as immature and throwing a hissy fit is not a valid way of arguing. Also, really, “people far more educated disagree with me," so your just calling Brass Scorpion uneducated and therefore not worthy of an opinion, that's not very nice. I have bugger all education when it comes to art history and though I would agree that the aesthetics of Necrons is closer to Mesopotamian culture is over and Eldargal won that one, however the argument about where the inspiration came from is based in opinion and not facts, unless someone has asked the design team, in which case one side stands corrected, so education has much less to do with the argument as there are essentially no facts. So citing sources is irrelevant at this point unless the sources are the design team, so can we all stop the personal attacks and saying just because I'm educated my OPINION is right in a debate of OPINIONS and not fact, note the heavy emphasis that this is about opinion, if you want to argue facts pick something based around facts. Though I will admit even I look at the Ark and think Greek bad example for the Egyptian side, and why are so many people posting while I write this AARG. Also please do crop photos so they fit in a page.

So in summary, the debate is over as to the similarities between other cultures and the design aesthetic, however the debate about the influences on the aesthetics, pop vs non Egyptian cultures is one of opinion not facts. Also let's stop with the personal attacks was the other part. Finally as a side note there are other Egyptianesq names in the fluff posted just on the website so Emerald Rose Widow (why such a long name) please don't ignore part of what I wrote to prove me wrong. Also if anyone dares call me sexist, uneducated, or annoyed because I got proven wrong by a girl (since I haven’t) I will get very annoyed.

To the point of this thread, I might get the book when it comes out, and I might also be the only one who wants to do a Stormlord / Flayed One army. I think it could work very well as you get multiple turns in night fight rules and then rip in with a rather good cc unit, not including I2. I really wanted to do another guard army, foot guard with storm troopers this time, the idea of Necrons is really appealing.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

For me, anyhoot, the problem is that the designers of this line seem to have only ever seen some mummy movies while researching this project. In a move not dissimilar to the rest of GW's boneheaded IP handling of late, they took a once-subtle and very interesting aesthetic and cranked it up to 'obvious,' seemingly in order to reach the densest population of twits allowed by physical laws.

On the flip-side, I'll give 'em that many of these miniatures look better without brass chest-pieces and other 'Eavy Metal nonsense from previous pictures. Those Lycheguard headpieces are unforgivable, tho.

I will give you that one, though I will say I rather like the new look, including the headdresses. Though I never was a fan of the "terminator in 40k" look, but that is just me.

[Deadlift]

Well just placed my order

3 boxes of Immortals / Deathmarks
1 box of Lychguard / Praetorians
1 Overlord
1 Imotekh
1 Trazyn
1 Cryptek
1 Catacomb / Annihilation Barge.

I will pick up the codex from my local shop and maybe a Doomsday Ark.

Not doing this by halves lol, I have waited a long time for Necrons and I feel justified in getting what I want asap.

Wifes going to phase me out when she finds out. :o

[eldargal]

Agreed, though painted silver I think they do still look too sterile for my taste. A big improvement on the whole though.

I will give you that one, though I will say I rather like the new look, including the headdresses. Though I never was a fan of the "terminator in 40k" look, but that is just me.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Wifes going to phase me out when she finds out. :o

Necrons and partners are never a good mix ;)

[eldargal]

Well I just added a copy of the codex to the family order. My brothers are a lot more enthusiastic than me, though, even the ones not previously interested in Necrons. A good sign for Necrons and GW hopefully. I might not like them overmuch but the more Xenos races sell the better for all Xenos players.

[lattd]

Is it me or does one of the overlords look like he has a space marine terminator torso, you know the bit where the terminators head sits?