What Primarch could the Necrons have?

[celestialatc]

Ok I have read the Necron rumors and while I have no interest in playing Necrons (I have interest in killing them!) I do have interest in their fluff. The rumor I read that really caught my eye was about Trazyn the Infinite, that he has in his collection a "'a giant of a man clad in baroque power armor".

My question is, who could that be? Was there a primarch that was fighting with the Necrons?

Here is my crazy theory before the codex comes out....

It's Ferrus Manus.

I know he is dead, I know his head was cut off. But he was fused with Necron technology....what if somehow they got their hands on his body....What if Trazyn brought him back for some alien reason.

That is my crazy theory with nothing to back it up. But what other primarch could Trazyn even have?

[eldargal]

Corax, Leman Russ, Vulkan or Jaghatai Khan would be one of the 'likely' choices, with the latter two being the more likely as they didn't dissapear into/towards the Eye of Terror.

[wittdooley]

Or it could simply be ANY space marine. Why assume it is a primarch?

[eldargal]

Quite so, though my guess is that it is probably implying it is a primarch. Just to get the fanbase all worked up over who it is.

[Grailkeeper]

Jaghthai Kahn wentinto the webway and is assumed to be a prisoner of the DE.

We're assumin of course that it's a loyalist primarch.- Alpharius?

[eldargal]

I know, but Commoragh has the largest slave markets in the galaxy and if the new Necron chap is a collector of interesting stuff then who is to say he didn't trade them something for him? It is also an assumption that he was captured, he may have exited the webway onto a tomb world. Point is we don't know and he wasn't headed somewhere where you don't really return from.

[Morgan Darkstar]

Jaghthai Kahn wentinto the webway and is assumed to be a prisoner of the DE.

We're assumin of course that it's a loyalist primarch.- Alpharius?

Omegron?

or possibly one of the missing two.

[celestialatc]

or possibly one of the missing two.

If only this could be real...

[Wildeybeast]

Omegron?

or possibly one of the missing two.

I thought the official Imperium line was that they had killed one of those two. Also, you probably should have put a big *SPOiLERS* before that post!

The question is, why in the name of Terra would any Primarch want to work with the Necrons, rather than say, go back to their own legion and help out mankind? If the phrase is giant of a man in baroque armour, then that would imply a normal marine, as otherwise it would be 'giant even by marine standards'.

[energongoodie]

I know he is dead, I know his head and hands were cut off. But he was fused with Necron technology....what if somehow they got their hands on his body....What if Trazyn brought him back for some alien reason.



Where is the 'hands cut off' info from? I do not recall reading that any where.

I'm going with Vulkan or Manus.

[MarneusCalgar]

Well, we know that:

LOYALISTS

- Ferrus Manus is dead, surely.

- The Khan is supposed to be enslaved by DE, but I agree with Eldargal here.

- Russ went into EoT, and his armour was recovered in one demon world in one of the Hunts for him by the Space Wolves.

- Johnson is buried in his homeworld

And in the "REBELS":

- Horus is dead

- The rest we know are Daemon Princes

[celestialatc]

Where is the 'hands cut off' info from? I do not recall reading that any where.

I'm going with Vulkan or Manus.

I might have been mistaken. I thought he cut off his hands but I might be wrong.

[wittdooley]

Happened in his fight with Fulgrim. Lopping off the head was a reference to his nickname, the "Gorgon."

I don't know where the 'spoiler alert' should have gone here.

I find it highly unlikely that it is a Primarch.

EDIT:

Curze is dead as well.

Guilliman "technically" still alive; in stasis

[Grailkeeper]

Well, we know that:

LOYALISTS

- Ferrus Manus is dead, surely.

- The Khan is supposed to be enslaved by DE, but I agree with Eldargal here.

- Russ went into EoT, and his armour was recovered in one demon world in one of the Hunts for him by the Space Wolves.

- Johnson is buried in his homeworld

And in the "REBELS":

- Horus is dead

- The rest we know are Daemon Princes


WE don't know that for sure about the alpha legion.


Here's one that might be a twist - Johnson. It'll add a new spin to the watchers in the dark

[energongoodie]

Happened in his fight with Fulgrim.



Head, obviously. But my question was regarding the hands. I do not think this is referenced any where.

[Sanguineone]

Would an Eldar Webway be on a Tombworld? Then again there is one on Terra so who knows.

Maybe it's a Custode, they were the type to roam about on their own. But then again they usually ran about without their armour.

It could also be a Fallen Dark Angel, bringing the unforgiven into conflict with the Necrons...............

I doubt we'll ever know for sure though.

How about a large xenos Inquisitor?
********************Spoiler*********************** **

Corax is a likely candidate, his ability to disappear doesn't work with security cameras and 'electronic eyes'.

[Sanguineone]

Thing about Curze is...........he knew it was coming. It's assumed that he was killed. However, the recovered recording of the assassination actually goes blank at the end and doesn't show him die. For that matter did the assassin actually make it out alive?

[Morgan Darkstar]

you probably should have put a big *SPOiLERS* before that post!

apologies it didn't occur to me, I haven't read the book yet.

[MasterGideon]

bear in mind if the Primarch is Alive then surely he would escape, this is why I think its Ferrus Manus as he is dead and no one knows where he was buried, could turn out that he was buried on a world that was in fact a tomb world and "acquired" as a trophy.

MasterGidoen

[plawolf]

Thing about Curze is...........he knew it was coming. It's assumed that he was killed. However, the recovered recording of the assassination actually goes blank at the end and doesn't show him die. For that matter did the assassin actually make it out alive?

Yes, it is well established the Cruze is dead. This has been mentioned in many novels as the first hand account of Night Lords that were actually present but ordered to stand down and allow the Assassin to do her business.

The Assassin did escape to her ship, but that ship was pursued and boarded and the Assassin killed when the Night Lords discovered that she had taken trinkets and items as prizes from Cruze's body which they wanted for themselves.

As for the figure in question, well I seriously doubt that it is just a random marine, since you would assume a Necron Lord to have seen enough of the galaxy to not be all that impressed by just a marine.

My money would be on Vulkun. His ability to craft amazing weapons would be of great interest to the necrons, and he is the one with the least developed back story. So it would make more sense to develop that instead of overturning existing back story for the other primarchs.

[Fantomex]

Hmm, if a primarch, that'd be pretty cool.
No, VERY cool.

But of course, who? First, we'll red out all the obvious ones that it won't be..

Loyalists
Lion El'Jonson - asleep in Caliban
Jaghatai Khan - Missing (possibly in Commoragh)
Leman Russ - Missing (and with his armour found on a daemon world, quite naked too..)
Rogal Dorn - Dead, body kept on the Phalanx
Sanguinius - Dead, body recovered and taken back to Baal.
Ferrus Manus - Dead on Isstvan (without a head, but his hands remaining)
Roboute Guilliman - Dead-ish, in stasis on Macragge
Vulkan - Missing
Corax - Missing, heading towards the Eye of Terror

Traitors
Fulgrim - Daemon Prince of Slaanesh
Perturabo - Daemon Prince Undivided
Night Haunter - Dead by M'Shen
Angron - Daemon Prince of Khorne
Mortarion - Daemon Prince of Nurgle
Magnus The Red - Daemon Prince of Tzeentch
Horus - Dead, aboard the Vengeful Spirit, original body and clones eventually destroyed
Lorgar - Daemon Prince Undivided
Alpharius/Omegon - Dead? Not dead? Traitor? Not traitor? Who knows?!

So, we can narrow down the list of possible candidates (or at least, unaccounted-for bodies) to:

Lion El'Jonson - Asleep in Caliban. Unless the Necrons can magically kidnap him of course..
Jaghatai Khan - Missing, hinted at being enslaved by the Dark Eldar (we'll assume this is true).
Leman Russ - Missing, armour found on a daemon world.
Corax - He's off to the Eye of Terror, we know how those journeys tend to turn out..
Night Haunter - Nope. He's dead, headless, and there is no reason for the Necrons to have his body..
Alpharius/Omegon - It could be! But it won't be! Or will it? Or won't it?!

So we have our choice of two!
Out of the duo, I'll say that, simply, the most likely candidate for being there is Ferrus Manus.

Vulkan seemed to have some kind of long-term retreat planned, like Lion El'Jonson.
The fact that he left clues for the Salamanders to find him leaves me to assume that he had some grand plan in action and felt quite confident that he'd ride it out..

But Ferrus Manus? That makes sense.
After Isstvan, only a handful of Iron Hands made it off-world.
Sure, they had the bulk of the legion elsewhere, but they were travelling slowly in the warp and didn't really have much they could do about it.

As such, although there may have been later attempts at equipment/geneseed recovery we don't know about, the Iron Hands lost Ferrus' body.
Fulgrim presented Horus with Ferrus' head. That means the body was likely to have been taken somewhere as well.

Of course, with no mention of it and the planet abandoned afterwards, there is every possibility that it was picked up by the Necrons.
With the rumoured new background, this makes even more sense.

Ferrus Manus was a fraction of a living god of humanity, the Emperor, as were his brothers.
Each had unique attributes that set them apart from the others.

Ferrus not only had this great power, but he also had his metal hands after defeating Asirnoth, which we can all safely agree was some form of C'tan.
With the new background of C'tan shards could we also assume that Asirnoth could have been one of the shards of the Void Dragon?

Plenty of fluff in the HH novels has now shown the sheer power of the Void Dragons influence over the Mechanicum, eg the Akashic Reader. The combination of Necron ingenuity and warp-based power should surely be a potent mix indeed.

And Ferrus Manus, being super-wrought flesh containing immense warp power, also combined with a C'tan shard?
Yeah.
That's mind-bendingly powerful stuff.

With the Necrons apparently now trying to find their way back into flesh bodies, surely the Iron Hands are the cosmic opposite of such a plan?

What could be more likely to pique the curiosity of the Necrons (and possibly return from the dead) than an amalgamation of two fractions of two entirely different gods that both in their own way can rejuvenate and become undying?

tl;dr - Ferrus Manus might be with the Necrons in a trophy cabinet.

[DrLove42]

You make a lot of good points...although i'm sure Alpharius is dead.

Manus does seem a likely option

UNless its one of the 2 unknowns, striken from the records for falling prey to the Necrons?

And does GW mentioning what is potentially a primarch suggest a slgiht advancement in the fluff?

[plawolf]

Manus does make sense, however the big problems with that are:

a) Necrons were never recorded as being active during the Heresy. That was the height of the IoM's powers, so if Necrons were wondering around, it is extremely unlikely that they would have gone unnoticed by the vast number of crusade fleets running around. The 'they killed everyone that saw them' reason wouldn't wash here as there is no way crusade fleets going missing, even minor ones, would go unnoticed or not bring a dozen mroe crusade fleets down on the last known location of the missing one. With pretty much all crusade fleets having a sizeable Astartes element, it is also extremely unlikely that the Necrons would be able to take them out without at the very least distress calls going out first.

Just look at Horus Rising. A distress call from a Blood Angel crusade fleet brought two Primarchs, one of which was the warmaster, to investigate. While Horus would not be personally leading the hunt for every crusade fleet gone missing or in serious trouble, there is a very good chance one or more of the other Primarchs would.

Even if the Necrons were around that early, them not having been discovered by the IoM would indicated that they were operating outside of Imperial space or on a small enough scale as to escape detection. Neither of those cases would make it likely that they would happen to be in the right place at the right time to snatch Manus' body.

b) It's boring. Aside from the 2 Iron Hands players out there, who else would really care about a Necron Lord having the body of a dead Primarch? Nothing winds people you like false promise, and GW would get a lot of flack if they whipped up excitment about the Necrons having a Primarch only to come around at the end and say, 'oh well, it's just a corpse'.

GW gains nothing but looses plenty in such a scenario, thus making it extremely unlikely.

[eldargal]

I have to agree with plawolf, Necrons were asleep during the HH and it is a pretty boring option. Dead primarch in stasis < living primarch in stasis

[MarneusCalgar]

I also tend to think is one alive Primarch more than a dead one...

Ferrus Manus hands can be an apart trophy, also but... I think he imprisons an alive Primarch, hoping to know, or extract from him, more secrets of the Empire of men, their breeding nest

[Necron2.0]

THIS!!!
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/081/3/4/downsizedhereticalcy9_1__by_necron2_0-d4tlrf0.jpg

This is the heretofore unmentioned (but not undocumented) 21st primarch, Peaux F'Dah. When the forces of chaos scattered the primarchs throughout the galaxy, Peaux landed on a tomb world. Unlike with the other primarchs, he was never found. He was eventually captured and imprisoned in a statsis cabinet (one formerly used to house a cache of Necron cloaks and shrouds). Even so, to this day a faint tune can be heard emanating from the cabinet - a song about rainbows, birds singing and a desire to ascend to the heavens atop said rainbow.

[GrenAcid]

@up

You won!.... all hail Necron2.0!

[Kushial]

I think an interesting twist would be that it is Lion'el Johnson, and that it is actually Luther who the Dark Angels have in stasis.

[eldargal]

I think it is fairly certain it is Jonson in the Rock, though it would be nifty if it were Luther in stasis. Dark Angels find out, raid on Trazyn the Wossnames storage facility escalates into big Imperium v Necron war. Make it a global campaign with everyone else getting in on the action (Eldar to stop the Necrons winning, Orks to krump 'eads, Tau because they are interfering busy bodies, Tyranids cos eating stuff is good etc.) and call it a day.

[Sanguineone]

I thought 'The Final Secret' was missed out of the current DA dex? Although it would be a trip if the destruction of Calaban was helped along by the emergence of a Necron Ship like in the Souldrinkers novel. Doubt it will happen though as they have put too much time into the watchers in the dark.
Thanks for the heads up on Curze Plawolf, I was just going off hints in the 3rd ed Chaos dex. Such a waste of a good character. Can you recommend the Nightlords books these things happen in?
Also I seem to have missed Manus fighting a C'tan?!?!?! Thought his arms were like Sanguinius' wings and warp mutations.

Plus Sanguinius ain't dead, he's elevated to god hood like the Emperor guiding his children from his giant floating golden ball through the blood chalices and genetic memory (I wish). Happy Sanguinius Day!

If the Necrons did have the body of a Primarch, even a dead one wouldn't that give them access to the generic material to create new bodies perhaps not on the Scale of a Primarch but maybe on the marine level? They are after all light years ahead of of the Imperium.

[eldargal]

Hm problem, Jonson was interred and Caliban destroyed long before the Necrons awoke.

[Sanguineone]

When did they wake up though? Although I'm sure you are right as surely the DA fleet would have noticed giant crescent pyramid thing floating where their planet was lol I don't quite get the timeline of them popping up all the time.
Ancients Vs necron millions of years ago?
Emperor Vs the dragon (possibly shard?) middle ages?
The Deceiver........did he actually go to sleep?
I hope they stick with Johnson in the rock too and they put that nugget back in the new dex.

[plawolf]

Thanks for the heads up on Curze Plawolf, I was just going off hints in the 3rd ed Chaos dex. Such a waste of a good character. Can you recommend the Nightlords books these things happen in?

There is a fairly detailed description of the events leading up to, and immediately after Curze's death in 'Lord of the Night' by Simon Spurrier. I won't elaborate further as that might spoil the book for you if you do decide to read it.

The events are also covered in the new audio book 'Throne of Lies'.

I am not a fan of Aaron whatshisface, so I might be biased, but I would go for Lord of the Night if choosing between the two. You would certainly get more for your money.


Also I seem to have missed Manus fighting a C'tan?!?!?! Thought his arms were like Sanguinius' wings and warp mutations.

That is a well established piece of fluff on Manus, covered in the HH book Fulgrium, and also in the original Visions of Heresy artbook iirc.

Before, while it was widely accepted that Manus defeated a Necron construct, no-one was sure exactly what manner of construct it actually was. Some people believed it was an actual C'Tan, while others thought it was just a particularly powerful and self-aware Higher-Necron. Now that GW has revised the fluff for the Necrons, a C'Tan share would fit much better.

[Sanguineone]

Thanks man, I think I'll go for the Throne first.
I've read Fulgrim! I can't believe I missed that. As penance I think I'll force myself to read it again. One of the best in my opinion.
I was running a fever when I read Collected Visions.......that was fun.

OK, so does that mean that the 'Shards' that have already been hinted at in the HH books were either active in some way or discovered and activated by both the Emperor and Magnus before M31? So does that mean the Necrons were active even if it was just a small pocket?

Or were the shards scattered through space by whatever means by which they were destroyed?
I can't help but see a pattern emerging.
We already know that the Eldar gods were a result of the effects the C'tan had on the Eldar psyche.
The Eldar have their own shards for that matter, which were also scattered through time and space.
I think we can all assume that when the Primarchs were created the Emperor put a little bit more into them than just genetic material. But as they were scattered through time and space we never got to hear those fateful words in the labs

'Mal, I'm putting wings on it'

and again more evidence of 'Shards'..........Sanguinor anybody.........Blood Chalice.........

Could we see shards of what we thought were long dead Primarchs popping up all over the place.

The Emperor had access to the Dragon for how long? Its obvious that whatever grand plan he had extended much farther than conquest of the material realm. Who knows what technology or even ideas he got from that time.

Could it be that the Emperor is the Voldermort of the 40K universe?

Long wait until the new codex..........

[MarneusCalgar]

Eeeeerrrr...

Thought that Sanguinius is in his homeworld buried and protected by the Blood Angels

[Sanguineone]

Sure he is, but in the novels it hints at some kind of presence when Mephiston touches the mind of a Blood Angel. Also the blood calice entry in the codex states that Sanguinius was somehow able to 'put a part of his being into each vessel'. Lets not forget that Sanguinius founded the first Librariums with the Khan and Fulgrim.
Take the Emperor as an example, technically dead however through worship and sacrifice he has become a God, or if not a god at the least a being no longer in need of a physical body. He states as much when he is first sits on the throne.
The only other person to have a day of worship in the imperial creed is Sanguinius. On the day in question everyone wears red. It's the belief that gives things power in the warp. Exactly the reason that the Imperial truth was spread to weaken the Chaos powers.
I get a feeling that this was done intentionally as both the Emperor and Sanguinius had knowledge that Sanguinius was going to die and possible knew quite a few of the details surrounding this.
I think to a certain degree this was planned as all the different primarchs had a role to fulfil.

**************Spoiler***********Magnus to sit on the golden throne and guide man, Calgar to govern etc*************

Also if you look at the Sanguinor and the possibilities of what that could be.

If you think of the Emperor as a chaos power then why if the others can do it can't he elevate a primarch to a diembodied presence? A Demon Primarch or an Angel Primarch would be a better term.
I think this could probably also account for Calgar healing. When the belief is strong enough the 'dead' primarchs will return and that will be the final battle. After all Angron for example keeps coming back after he is vanquished.

Also a final point of interest that has me stumped............why isn't Corbulo a Librarian? He has the power of foresight an obvious psychic power. Also there is mention of manifestations such as the Sanguinary guard who lost his eyes but could see better without them. I think the possibility for the Angels all having a degree of ability is on the cards and this is evident through the Black Rage and the fact that there was one occasion that it affected all Blood Angels before his death.

[gwensdad]

Could it be that the Emperor is the Voldermort of the 40K universe?



I've wondered if the Primarchs are really the Emperor's "horcuxes" for awhile.

[RobM]

it could be a dead primarch
the necron dude is carrying around a severed head and enslaver corpse after all, what use could it have for those?

[Kawauso]

It could be a dead Primarch, true, but it could also be a live one.

Trazyn is a hoarder/collector/historian...having all of those things -is- their use, for him.

[Dastrike]

There is a lot that can be said about if it really is one of the Primarchs, but in agreement of statements about it just being a Hulking of a Man leading down the path it could be just a Space Marine but of the hire parts of the Chain of Command. A solider or a line officer wouldn't make the cut to fulfill such a rule but a Chaplains, Librarians, or even a the 1st Company could comprise of such a manner.

To be so focus on it being a Primarch is focusing down a certain path, and even saying it is a Space Marine could also be apart of the narrow path. GW could in all intent and purpose could be using this as a gateway to open up something new to add to the world of the 40k. Prime example on this is the Squats (yeah I am going here) and how according to "fluff" they were all wiped out across the galaxy by the Tyrinads. Now with the rumor mills that the Squats are making their return with the Tau, so who is not to say some other auxiliary unit isn't making some other appearance with them as well.

There is a lot to be said with a lot of good points being made around the board, I am just suggesting a different avenue for which this possible fluff can be coming from, to assume always what we know is always a good smoke screen to something that we didn't perceive coming because it is the nature of GW to jingle a bell over here and then slide something new over there. I could be wrong but it is the internet so I get to post my opinion too. Happy trails everyone.

[plawolf]

I don't think any squat would ever be described as a 'hulking giant of a man'.

The trophy giant could be a marine, but considering that there are around 1000 chapters with a 1000 marines each, there are around a million marines knocking about at any one time. I am struggling to think why a necron lord would find a captive marine, even a senior one like a captain or librarian, to be rare and exotic enough to warrant collecting.

I think the lowest the lord would accept is a chapter master. But are there any famous missing chapter masters this could be?

Remember that this is all made up, and there would be a reason for why GW decided to add this to the fluff.

In all likelihood, even GW hasn't decided who this mysterious giant is. He is almost certainly going to be just left as a mystery and forgotten until the end times, when GW profits start to go critical and GW decide to crack open their Terminus Decree and do something drastic, like bring back the primarchs (loyalist and daemon) and/or wake/kill off the Emperor and set the AdMech against the IoM etc - all in the name of re-igniting interest in the game and generating more $$$ to keep the share holders happy.

This necron captured giant, and the Grey Knights' Terminus Decree etc are all plot devices left in place to allow GW to massively chance or advance the stagnant story line when they need to without it looking too desperate and cobbled together. And these plot devices will remain dormant so long as GW's profits continue to look health.

Ironically, the best thing we can do if we ever want to find out what all these mysteries are is to stop buying GW stuff. But that is not going to happen, so we will probably never find out exactly what the big secrets are.

[Dastrike]

I wasn't making the reference to the "hulking giant of a man" to be a Squat but more so what you brought about it being a "fail safe switch" if things for GW goes south at any given point and need a hook to bring the game back full circle for the masses.

The chances people will stop buying GW products is going to be hard, since there will always be the flavor of the months who keep people buying new armies as new codexs hit the store shelves.

[Denzark]

The level of implied power for an entity to take, subdue and hold a primarch, alive or dead, is horrifying. All the dead'uns are hugely well protected relics. The live and missing are all in immensely hostile territories within the space-time continuum, mostly EoT.

If this Necron was that powerful I think he would be their top boy and there wouldn't be any other lords.

You seem to forget that most current GW fluff goes to great lengths to explain astartes aren't humans at all. As such you could be barking up the wrong tree here.

Possibly an early experiment from the Emperor's/Dr Outek's lab - maybe the Necron could have infiltrated when the Chaos got in to disperse the Primarchs. Or maybe custodes.

Or possibly one of the 9th Necromundan (Lord Helmawr's Own) Regimental Basketball team.

But I find it unlikely this clanking fella has his hands on a Primarch.

[plawolf]

I doubt the beings who held Argon captive as a gladiator were anywhere close to as powerful as a Necron Lord and his tomb world.

If the necrons somehow managed to get a Primarch inside a stasis chamber and turn it on while he was still inside, there isn't a whole lot the unfortunate primarch can do about it. Thousands of years would pass on the outside, but barely a second would have gone by for the primarch.

[MarneusCalgar]

Hey, but if you read the description of Trazyn...

He´s got Sebastian´s Thor head (really?? he was buried on the Earth... tell me how a cron can infiltrate into Terra and make it into one of most venerated tombs and dissappear like that...), an enslaver´s body and the body of a hulk man clad in baroque armour in a terror scream...

I´m rethinking this on the last days... Maybe that man IS NOT A PRIMARCH and it is an Adeptus Custodes??

Why?? Because that would make sense with the robbery of Thor´s head.

[celestialatc]

Hey, but if you read the description of Trazyn...

He´s got Sebastian´s Thor head (really?? he was buried on the Earth... tell me how a cron can infiltrate into Terra and make it into one of most venerated tombs and dissappear like that...), an enslaver´s body and the body of a hulk man clad in baroque armour in a terror scream...

I´m rethinking this on the last days... Maybe that man IS NOT A PRIMARCH and it is an Adeptus Custodes??

Why?? Because that would make sense with the robbery of Thor´s head.

It's really starting to look like that Trazyn is the Necron that everyone will have beef with. The Sisters of Battle and Imperial Guard will probably want Sebastian Thor's head back, all the space marines will want to know what primarch or notable space marine he has (or custodes!?!?!) and the Eldar will want the Wraithbone choir of Altansar back (I just read that on GW's advance order page for the dude).

He is the MacGuffin collector and could be the focus of a bunch of Black Library books!

[miteyheroes]

the body of a hulk man clad in baroque armour in a terror scream...

I´m rethinking this on the last days... Maybe that man IS NOT A PRIMARCH and it is an Adeptus Custodes??

Why?? Because that would make sense with the robbery of Thor´s head.

The Adeptus Custodes stopped wearing armour after the Emperor's death, wearing black cloaks instead. So by the time Sebastian Thor died, the Custodes didn't wear armour.

I'm going for a Thunder Warrior or Ferrus Magnus. Probably FM, there's already Necron-Iron Hands crossover so it just makes sense?

[plawolf]

If the description has the hulking giant in a terror scream, then it would rule out Ferrus Magnus as he doesn't have a head any more.

[wittdooley]

I think the Necrons found the world in which the WHFB universe is based on through the warp mists that are hiding it and have an actual Giant.

Yeah, that's it.

[Wildeybeast]

I think the Necrons found the world in which the WHFB universe is based on through the warp mists that are hiding it and have an actual Giant.

Yeah, that's it.

Oh man, don't even open that can of fluff worms :eek:

Anyway, here's an idea that I don't think has been suggested - an Inquistor. My theory is as follows: the phrase is "a giant man clad in baroque power armour". Now, SM's aren't men. They don't look like them, their proportions are all wrong (look at those tiny little heads on those massive bodies). Secondly, the implication of the phrase baroque implies rather OTT armour, not something SM's are renowned for. Their armour is always rather practical in nature, even the high ranking ones. Granted it could be a primarch who had very fancy armour, but again, it is a giant man and Primarchs are giants by SM standards, not by human standards.

Inquistors on the other hand, clearly have some genetic engineering going on. They live far longer than ordinary humans and are not far off SM's in size, but their physique is more in proportion. And crucially they are still human, like the Custodes, rather than the post human SM's. And of course they wear very fancy power armour. This phrase "This isn't so useful against characters, but that's why Trazyn also carries a clutch of mindshackle scarabs - why kill an enemy when you can take over his mind and have him kill for you...?" makes me think that there is no way this trick is going to work on a Primarch, they are far too strong willed for simple mind control to work, you need to use more sutble means of manipulation to get them to do what you want. But a more human character like an Inquistor, that would work on them.

Edit: I should clarify that I am using subtle relatively speaking. Lorgar running off crying to Chaos after daddy told him off and Horus getting into a strop after he was shown the future sans Horus are not, I admit, the most subtle ways of getting a Primarch to do what you want, but they at least took advantage of their fundamental weaknesses. Straight forward mind control is going to hit a brick wall against these guys.

[Thornblood]

So here are my thoughts;

The Necrons, and in particular Trazyn who collects interesting things like a scientist rather than trophies could easily have a dead Primarch (or a live one, or one somewhere in between the two) as they would want to study the very best of mortal physique if they do indeed want to become fleshy again. The Corpse could be Curze, Manus, Khan, Omegon, or anyone. Trazyn in fact has the head of Sebastian Thor and is a master infiltrator/mind enslaver, so Guilliman and Johnson are back on the cards. But if Trazyn has done his homework then there is one corpse that was named by the Emporer to lead the fleshy armies of humanity; and that is Horus.

However we have overlooked that it could be one of Bile's creations. If he has Thor's head there is every chance that the baroqued power armoured individual could be a named character- like Constantin Valdor, or, if we are on the subject of giants, Pasanius (I Greame McNeil could be in on this- it would make a great Ventris Novel, one where Pasanius is taken and one where Ventris rescues him- reminiscent of Frodo and Sam). It could be Luther- a good marketing technique to raise the stakes when the new codex Dark Angels is released in anywhere between three to ten to never years...

As for missing Chapter Masters it could be Bulveye- the Space wolves 13th Company Wolf Lord- someone who has fought chaos in the eye of terror- he would have a mind the Necrons would be VERY interested in. Another Chapter Master could be Sigismund- founder of teh black Templars, setting GW up for a Black Templars conflict in many, many years time. As for Baroque armour, it could be the corpse of Tycho (maybe even kept barely alive), im sure if teh Necrons are exploring the possibility of fleshyness that the black rage could be an interesting thing to study, especially for Trazyn's character.

On the other hand, I honestly dont think GW have an answer for this, i think it is supposed to be deliberately ambiguous. Like LOST.

Quite fun though!

[Thornblood]

Inquistors on the other hand, clearly have some genetic engineering going on. They live far longer than ordinary humans and are not far off SM's in size, but their physique is more in proportion.

Just wanted to address this; Inquisitors are no where near as big as a space marine. They are regular humans, often with sophisticated genetic enhancements. However, a marine two foot taller from their genetic enhancements, and if we take a look at the Inquisitor game, they are at least twice as strong and three times as tough, which is stats printed in black and white. The fluff seems to agree with this.

If it is an Inquisitor in baroque armour, it would be awesome if it was Tyrus, or Silas Hand.

If it is a regular human in baroque armour (although i don't know if it is classically power armour, I recon he could have had power armour by the end of his career) it could be the Lord Solar Macharius, or one of his clones (the body being stolen from the Afrael Strain cloning facility that Machrius' body was stored at).

[Thornblood]

One more thought!!!

It could be Indrick Boreale, the captain of the Blood Ravens- baroque power armour, and disappeared fighting Necrons in Dawn of War Dark Crusade- his actual fate a mystery hinted at between Dawn of War 1 and 2.

[Wildeybeast]

Just wanted to address this; Inquisitors are no where near as big as a space marine. They are regular humans, often with sophisticated genetic enhancements. However, a marine two foot taller from their genetic enhancements, and if we take a look at the Inquisitor game, they are at least twice as strong and three times as tough, which is stats printed in black and white. The fluff seems to agree with this.

If it is an Inquisitor in baroque armour, it would be awesome if it was Tyrus, or Silas Hand.

If it is a regular human in baroque armour (although i don't know if it is classically power armour, I recon he could have had power armour by the end of his career) it could be the Lord Solar Macharius, or one of his clones (the body being stolen from the Afrael Strain cloning facility that Machrius' body was stored at).

Well, according to the SM game, which is pretty current, they aren't that far off, especially compared to the puny Guardsmen in the game. And the Inquistor in the Ephrael Stern comic is much bigger than the sister. I guess the level of modification they have well vary from each inquistor, but some are pretty big, Custodes size and hence 'giant men'.

[plawolf]

Combat Inquisitors are only big because they suit up in specialist suits of power or artificer armor. But inside, they are just mere men, maybe with some interesting bionics and limited gene work.

Astates gene enhancements only works on young boys before they pass puberty. Even when the Emperor was still walking around, there was no way to make a mature man into an Astates without massive risk of death. Only a tiny fraction of the men who underwent the process survived to become space wolves, and the process was so dangerous, the Dark Angels didn't even try it. And this was during the height of the powers of the IoM, before the Heresy laid waste to much of their technological capabilities.

Even if the technology to do so still exists in the 41st M, and there have been no references to this sort of thing being done other than the Space Wolf example before, it is extremely doubtful that any Inquisitor would subject himself to that kind of risk.

Besides, even if an Inquisitor was mental enough to try it, and actually managed to succeed, as a physical specimen, he is still far inferior to even a line Astates, so why would the Necrons be at all interested in collecting him?

[Wildeybeast]

Why would they want an Astartes? Why would he want Sebastian Thor's head? I'm not saying its an Inquistor who has had Astartes enhancements, that would be tantamount to suicide, but the description is a 'giant man' and I say again Astartes are not men and don't look like them, just like Ogryns aren't men. There is no reason to suggest it is anyone who has had gene work, after all, we have basketball players now who are pushing 7 feet and could easily be described as giant, especially if they were in power armour. So it could just be a very tall but standard human in power armour.

[MarneusCalgar]

Hope we get soon an answer on this

[Grailkeeper]

Hextor rex is a giant inquisitor. Remeber Giant just means very big- it doesn't imply surgery etc

[Servant of the Emperor]

I'm kinda feeling we'll never know and I believe it could be anyone. It doesn't even have to be from the Heresy or similar, it could be a Marine in an ancient (thus baroque) armour (could be artificer armour) taken just a week ago.

I know we'd all want it to be something very special and cool, but I'm afraid it doesn't at all have to be. Could be, but really doesn't have to.

[plawolf]

Why would they want an Astartes? Why would he want Sebastian Thor's head? I'm not saying its an Inquistor who has had Astartes enhancements, that would be tantamount to suicide, but the description is a 'giant man' and I say again Astartes are not men and don't look like them, just like Ogryns aren't men. There is no reason to suggest it is anyone who has had gene work, after all, we have basketball players now who are pushing 7 feet and could easily be described as giant, especially if they were in power armour. So it could just be a very tall but standard human in power armour.

And any of those examples will be worth collecting because?

If you cannot think of a good reason for why a Necron Lord would reserve pride of place in his collection for an example of who this giant could be, then it probably isn't going to be it.

You are also reading way too much into this 'man' part. Astates are post human, but still human, and 'man' is quite often a term used to describe humans in general, which would make sense in this case to make the distinction between human and all the other alien species out there.

This is all fiction, and they are not going to build this nugget up so much only to come up with a lame answer like, oh yeah, it's just a 7" dude the Lord picked up at a basketball game, SURPRISE!

[Thornblood]

Marines are around 8ft tall (with the variation of 7ft to 10ft). This is canon. It appears everywhere, from the height of 40k miniatures, to fluff, to Captain Titus next to the Inquisitors in Space Marine, to the more fluffy marines in Inquisitor. If Rex is a Giant of a man I would place him around 6ft 8" point.

Inquisitor Hand is big because of his massive armour. The guy has two power fists and wields an even bigger sword with them! His power armour is nearly terminator armour.

In the Space Marine end scene Mira the guardswoman dosnt even come up to Titus' collar. However the height of the Inquisitor is more difficult to Gauge. When The male power armoured Inquisitor (Thrax) turns up at the end, he comes up to Leandros' Shoulder Guard (although there is only one shot from behind where one is not in front of the other for gauging height and depth perception etc). I mention gender because generally women are shorter than men, and this is particularly true in computer game design.

Likewise the top of Drogan's head only comes up to Titus' collar. He looks taller because of Drogans armour and the ariel box thingy on his back.

As for tall human types it says in Prospero Burns that the Adeptus Custodes are to marines how marines are to humans. So think of them bigger still. (this dosnt really have any baring on the discussion, just a nice bit of info).

It Could be a Rubric Marine. Now there is something worth studying if I was Trayzn. Or an abhuman who was particularly favored and got a suit of Power armour (Inquisition retinue), or even a kidnapped High Lord of Terra.

My money is still on deliberate ambiguity on the part of GW.

[Necron_the_Eternal]

Hm problem, Jonson was interred and Caliban destroyed long before the Necrons awoke.

This statement is not entirely true because not all Necrons were asleep during they're hibernation. If you look carefully at the description for Triarch Praetorians on GW it states that they decided to stay awake during the hibernation. It would be possible to say that one of the Primarchs in question could have stumbled across a tomb world and was captured.

[Dalleron]

I think that it has been proven that in GW fluff writing, anything is possible. An infinite number of things can happen and probably will.

IMO, the mystery of this man in power armour is likely to never be resolved, akin to the 2 missing primarchs and their chapters that are gone with them.

[Anggul]

I have absolutely no doubt that it's meant to be Ferrus Manus. Full of living metal which is probably from a Necron construct, beheaded, body mysteriously went missing. It's obviously hinting at him.

[Wildeybeast]

I have absolutely no doubt that it's meant to be Ferrus Manus. Full of living metal which is probably from a Necron construct, beheaded, body mysteriously went missing. It's obviously hinting at him.

Sorry, where does it say that the man in power armour is dead/beheaded? I'm going on the website as I don't have the codex yet, does it give more of a description in there?

[Thornblood]

Im with Wildeybeast here- there is no proof it is Manus. However he is not ruled out.

If it is Manus however it might help shed some light on The Iron Hands link with the Mechanicus. Maybe the Void Dragon has kept an eye on Manus. Maybe Manus was obsessed with the Dragon in order to become so proficient with technology. Maybe the wave of piety that spread with the Iron Hands' crusade was because they did in fact know of a god- Void Dragon. Maybe Void Dragon has always been planning to use Manus' body as a host to escape.

Also, if it is Manus maybe Trazyn is trying ti find a suitable head for the corpse. If Void Dragon is to occupy the body someone with piety and theological intelligence like Thor could be a good choice. However Thor's head would probably be a bit small. It would also explain why Trayzn has an Enslaver- to control Void Dragon, or maybe if Void Dragon is controlling or influencing Trazyn to keep the Old Ones away.

Its alot of speculation on my part however. Not a bad story though, seems to add up. Im chalkign that up as one of many possibilites in my mind.

Actually maybe mindshackle scarabs are engineered from observations from the Enslaver.

[Denzark]

Having got my new codex it would appear that this collector doesn't bother about accuracy.

I'm going for an Ogryn shoe-horned into some MkIII - cheap abhuman shop dummy.

Move along conspiracy theorists, nothing to see here.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Why is everyone believing that it's a Space Marine??

Lord Inquisitor Rex, is a giant of a man in Terminator armour, given enhancements to be nearly equal to a Space Marine.
Who's to say thats its not some long forgotten Inquisitor, or some such from the Time of the Great Crusade, when even humans that were to old to become full SM's were enhanced...eg: Luther.

[Wildeybeast]

Why is everyone believing that it's a Space Marine??

Lord Inquisitor Rex, is a giant of a man in Terminator armour, given enhancements to be nearly equal to a Space Marine.
Who's to say thats its not some long forgotten Inquisitor, or some such from the Time of the Great Crusade, when even humans that were to old to become full SM's were enhanced...eg: Luther.

My thoughts exactly

[dietrich43]

It's probably not Bulveye, he's running around with the rest of the 13th company in the Eye - at least in the second Ragnar/SW trilogy.

I think Vulkan is a good guess, mostly because he's got the least backstory.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

I've read the codex, had it a day before its release here in Australia, and it does'nt say that its a Primarch, so why does every one jump to the conclusion that it is??

Anything over 6'.4" is a giant of a man, add a few hundred Kilo's of ornate power armour and it could be Santa Claus...

[Wildeybeast]

So the book adds the line 'his face contorted in a permanent scream'. Since he has a face, it's safe to say we can rule out Ferrus. I'd also suggest it rules out anyone who is dead since dead faces don't lock into screams (unless you pose them that way). I'd guess this person is in stasis field of some kind.

[Thornblood]

Rosette- I was having fun speculating! I was hoping it was primarch because there just cooler (in my opinion) and i care quite alot for the HH fluff whereas 40k has become such a monster im a bit non-plussed for another inconsequential hero (we have alot of cool charactes but they cant do anything that really upsets the background or changes much, with a few exceptions (like Tycho- he had a bit of a journey).

Now the codex is released and we have the creaming bit of info I doubt its a primarch. Or even a named charcater who has acess to power armour as I dont think GW's grimdark protagonists are prone to screaming (or at least not the ones that we have named so far).

So the jury is still out!

[MarneusCalgar]

But... How then can Trazyn have Ferrus´s complete body if his head was severed?

[Thornblood]

...Yeah it cant be Ferrus if the thing has a face. I was just musing before the codex was released- before we had that snippet of info.

Damn faces. If it wasnt for faces....

[Servant of the Emperor]

Well, if it has a screaming face, then someone died in agony or in horror, so that must do something for the list of primarchs (for those who are really set on it having to be a primarch).

[fuzzbuket]

noone for the 'missing primarch?'

after all what a worse way to be shamed than by ending up on a tomb world?

[Wildeybeast]

Well, if it has a screaming face, then someone died in agony or in horror, so that must do something for the list of primarchs (for those who are really set on it having to be a primarch).

Not really. Faces don't lock into position in death. If anything, the moment of death causes a loosening of muscle (hence cases of corpses voiding their bowels) and rigor mortis doesn't set in until several hours after death, long after the mucles have relaxed and it isn't permanent. Far more likely is that the guy is alive and held in a stasis field.

[MaxKool]

Not really. Faces don't lock into position in death. If anything, the moment of death causes a loosening of muscle (hence cases of corpses voiding their bowels) and rigor mortis doesn't set in until several hours after death, long after the mucles have relaxed and it isn't permanent. Far more likely is that the guy is alive and held in a stasis field.

Absolutely this...



Some dude was yelling a profanity or some such thing as he realized he was caught in a stasis trap...
dead faces normaly dont hold expressions....

[wulfmojo]

I would like to think that it's Arthor Amhrad, the Chapter Master of the Astral Knights, who all died destroying the Necron World Engine. That story always inspired me and I would like to think that at least one of them made it out alive, even as a prisoner.

Of course, it's probably not, but just as likely as a lot of the options!

If we're going with Primarchs, my vote is for Vulkan. We know very little about what happened to him other than he just disappeared about nine thousand years ago and the Salamanders believe he's still out there, so he fits the bill nicely. Also his interest in technology make him potentially more likely to have been lured to a Necron world.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Thornblood to answer your question, well let me just say that since Ward wrote what he did, everyone seems to think it's a Primarch, that's all you see now.
If enough people told you that the earth was no longer round, but oblong from earthquakes, would that make you think it was the truth too?

This coming from a supposed writer that ruins fluff that we all like and know. How does he capture a Primarch to begin with? A primarch being afraid, yeah right, like that would happen. My favourite from the same writer, is that this Necron has the head of Sabastion Thor too, stole it off Terra from the Imperial Palace.
Hang on a sec.. maybe its the Emporer he really has, maybe he stole him from his Golden Throne...see he is a giant of a man, in ornate armour too, and last i checked was in a lot of pain from wound suffered from Horus.
If he can steal a skull from the most gaurded place in the galaxy, maybe he has the Emporer not just some imagined Primarch.
Inquisitor Rex is a giant of a man too, wears power armour, i've said this before, why does everyone insist its a Primarch? oh because it's much cooler to think that, that's why.
Reminds me how much people like to speculate that there are no female space marines too.

wait, wait, i know who it is......its one of the lost Primarchs of the 2nd or 11th Legions

[Inquisitor Boreal]

Absolutely this...



Some dude was yelling a profanity or some such thing as he realized he was caught in a stasis trap...
dead faces normaly dont hold expressions....

People usually can't throw lightning bolts either. I know that's kind of silly to say, but it's not like the authors of 40K are depicting other events in the universe as they would occur with real life physics and chemistry involved (and tbh, it wouldn't be the first time such an event would be depicted - see for example the movie "The Ring"), though I also would lean towards the stasis trap.

I have to piggyback the Sister here in asking why everyone is so quick to assume primarch, there are other prominent characters that would be cool as well.

[celestialatc]

I have to piggyback the Sister here in asking why everyone is so quick to assume primarch, there are other prominent characters that would be cool as well.


I'll say that I might be the one who jumped the gun and thought "Primarch!" It just made since at the time. It's probably not a primarch....but if you are a collector, wouldn't that be something that would be a crown jewel for your collection? It's probably not but I do hope that Trazyn the Infinite gets his own book from Black Library because he seems like one of the more interesting characters from the new Necron Book.

[L192837465]

Thornblood to answer your question, well let me just say that since Ward wrote what he did, everyone seems to think it's a Primarch, that's all you see now.
If enough people told you that the earth was no longer round, but oblong from earthquakes, would that make you think it was the truth too?


Actually, the Earth IS oblong, but around the equator, and it's from gravitational tugging from the sun more than earthquakes. However, technically, large earthquakes DO slow down the rotation of the Earth, and that can technically lead to the Earths shape *correcting* itself. Long shot, but possible.

Also, lulz.

[Thornblood]

Because I enjoy being pedantic;

The earth is an oblate spheroid. This answer is worth (3) marks. You can have a mark for oblong. Sorry Rosette- 'round' is a two dimensional term. Nonetheless you can have a half mark.

And Trazyn can have Horus- still in the death throes of being zapped with mind bullets by the Emperor.
Or the Lord Solar Macharius maybe? He was a giant of a man that wore baroque power armour.

Baroque has just entered my vocabulary. I am going to endeavour ti use it more. "Why Margaux, that picture frame is indubitably baroque!

[Vangrail]

Thornblood to answer your question, well let me just say that since Ward wrote what he did, everyone seems to think it's a Primarch, that's all you see now.
If enough people told you that the earth was no longer round, but oblong from earthquakes, would that make you think it was the truth too?

This coming from a supposed writer that ruins fluff that we all like and know. How does he capture a Primarch to begin with? A primarch being afraid, yeah right, like that would happen. My favourite from the same writer, is that this Necron has the head of Sabastion Thor too, stole it off Terra from the Imperial Palace.
Hang on a sec.. maybe its the Emporer he really has, maybe he stole him from his Golden Throne...see he is a giant of a man, in ornate armour too, and last i checked was in a lot of pain from wound suffered from Horus.
If he can steal a skull from the most gaurded place in the galaxy, maybe he has the Emporer not just some imagined Primarch.
Inquisitor Rex is a giant of a man too, wears power armour, i've said this before, why does everyone insist its a Primarch? oh because it's much cooler to think that, that's why.
Reminds me how much people like to speculate that there are no female space marines too.

wait, wait, i know who it is......its one of the lost Primarchs of the 2nd or 11th Legions

No way he has a primarch its most likely a chapter master or something

[L192837465]

Because I enjoy being pedantic;

'round' is a two dimensional term. Nonetheless you can have a half mark.
!

He was rounding down, leave him alone!

[wittdooley]

This coming from a supposed writer that ruins fluff that we all like and know.


I used to really like and know bacon. Then I had pork belly. It has a more robust flavor, is quite a bit meatier, and is generally more satisfying. Doesn't mean I don't like bacon anymore.

This is sort of how I feel about this kind of complaint. The previous fluff (bacon) was pretty damn good. But you can only do so much with bacon. The new fluff (pork belly) has ton more flavor, is more fleshed out, and is more satisfying as a whole (seriously, I don't care that the GKs murdered some SoBs and then bathed in a pool of their menstrual-blood; I wouldn't care if they took said blood and used it as a condiment for their intergalactic hot dogs either). And, quite frankly, I don't take anyone seriously that wants to argue that the old Necron "fluff" is better than the new. They're wrong. Their opinion is wrong. I don't care if it's an opinion. In that instance, it's wrong.

The new fluff in all of Ward's books is, as a whole, more than fine. Sure, he isn't Dave Eggers, but then again Dave Eggers isn't being tasked with writing books about 8 foot tall superhumans.

[Rothgara]

What about the two missing Primarchs. The ones from the 2nd and 11th legions? It could be one of them. One could have been lost and the other killed, possibly by another legion. Dorn said something about them be lost or a waste of potential. And Russ hinted that Prospero was not the first SM on SM fighting.

[roncarlin2002]

Well, for my 2 cents: It won't be one of the 2 Primarchs from the 'missing' legions. Those are gone, forgotten, never to be mentioned again. Nothing in the fluff even hints at them coming back.

I would bet on one of the Primarchs mentioned above, and really it could be any of them; the fluff-masters could deux ex machina just about any scenario they wanted to explain any Primarch being held by a Necron Lord. That's the beauty of a fictional universe that you (meaning GW) control; it means you can do just about anything you want.

And honestly, I wouldn't bet against the secret being revealed, or at least heavily teased, in the new 6th ed rulebook.

My 2 cents; take them for what they are worth.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I would like to think that it's Arthor Amhrad, the Chapter Master of the Astral Knights, who all died destroying the Necron World Engine. That story always inspired me and I would like to think that at least one of them made it out alive, even as a prisoner.

This. I think this is the most interesting and entertaining possibility. I like to think he saw some horrific experiments deep in the bowels of the World engine that explain his contorted face.

[Sindamar]

I'm somewhat suprised that Rogal Dorn wasn't mentioned. The Imperial Fists recovered "what remained of Rogal Dorn. His engraved skeletal hand continues to be maintained in stasis", but there's no mention of a body. If everyone else in the attack is killed, then looted by Chaos, before they're routed by Imperial forces, it's hardly suprising that the body is presumed destroyed. Surely if the body had been recovered it'd have been mentioned/buried in a shrine? If the Fists most holy relic is a severed hand, then that's what they've got... So IF the figure is a Primarch, it could be Dorn... It never mentions whether he has both hands...
Losing a hand and being trapped in stasis in the middle of a desperate battle would make me scream...
:)

[Ryar]

Yeah im not completely sold that its a primarch. if there's one thing the galaxy is not short on its big dudes in power armor

[George Labour]

I was reading over my Deathwatch RPG books the other day and in the book titled Achilus Assault they have a chapter devote to the Warmaster that began the crusade into the Jericho Reach. His name was (obviously) Lord General Achilus.

What's interesting is that the picture of him shows him as a large man wearing...very barogue power armor. He also dissapeared under mysterious circumstances during a supposedly routine trip.

Finally there's this stargate like device that serves as a macguffin to link one side of the galaxy to another that could very well be a necron artifact. There is also a growing necron presence in the jericho reach that may or may not be the reason for the deathwatch's continue stewardship of the region despite it being cut off from the Imperium for a couple of millenia.

So perhaps this collectible figure in the Necron's hands is as simple as a vague reference the authors included because they happen to like FFG's Space Marine RPG a lot.

Or maybe it's just the last living Thunder Warrior.

[bladeofdeath3]

I doubt that's it's Achilus. Trazyn collects very rare specimen and a primarch or a chapter master is much rarer than a lord general. I'm gonna cast my lot with the primarch lot. I doubt it's dorn because dorn's remains were found. This leaves Corax, Khan, and Russ. Two of these primarchs headed towards the eye of terror and Khan was headed towards the webway. Seeing as the necron kinda have some control over the webway, i'm throwing my support behind Khan being the giant in statis.