Superhero Comics 101

[eldargal]

http://comicsalliance.com/files/2016/02/dciconsaf19wonderwomanjpg-0d7d6f_765w.jpg
Really liking this Wonder Woman.

[Erik Setzer]

Speaking of DC toys, there was an article showing off some of the figures from the upcoming Suicide Squad movie, and for some reason there was no Harley Quinn. Everyone else, including Batman and Lex Luthor in prison, was shown. No HQ, though.

Given that they did have one female figure present (can't recall the name at the moment), it likely wasn't another situation with leaving out the women, but that's a pretty big character to be missing. Wonder why.

[eldargal]

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[Gotthammer]

*all the feels-uh* :(


Also:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/07dcea4201d0570eef502356ba3d1d05/tumblr_inline_o24xufkVab1r20qrp_1280.jpg


Can we talk about the fact that Diana ALREADY has kiss marks on her face

Like she’s not rolling her eyes at Harley wanting to smooch her she’s rolling her eyes at the fact that this ridiculous bisexual ball of sugar won’t stop smooching her

“Alright Harley I get it”

“NO I GOTTA SMOOCH YOU MORE

THE LASSO COMPELS ME”

“The lasso does not do that”

“THE LASSO FILLS ME WITH GAY THOUGHTS”

“No Harley that’s just you”

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The smooch-marks are normal-side-up, too, which means that Harley was smooching on her before she got all tied up like that.

[eldargal]

Yup.:(

Wonder Woman & HQ into polyamorous BDSM = canon.:p

[Kirsten]

well, who wouldn't tie up Harley for smooches?

[Mr Mystery]

Me.

She'd only get out, and I might as well face it, that's just not going to end well for me.

[eldargal]

Harley is also getting her very own action figure line: (http://comicsalliance.com/dc-collectibles-harley-quinn-figure-line/)
http://comicsalliance.com/files/2016/02/10-harley-quinn-dolls.w529.h352.jpg

DC Collectibles announced the new Harley Quinn toy line ahead of Toy Fair (via Vulture), and gave a glimpse into the first wave of figures you can expect this fall. The line features designs from current Harley Quinn writer and cover artist Amanda Connor, with several of the figures paying tribute to looks Ms. Quinn has donned in her solo series. It’s almost like DC is banking on Harley Quinn blowing up even more after her appearance in Suicide Squad this August. I’m not even sure it’s possible for the villain-turned-hero-turned-not-quite-so-good-but-also-not-a-bad-person to get more popular, but hey, it’s Harley’s world, we just live in it.

[Mr Mystery]

Really? From what I've seen Suicide Squad is likely to tarnish Harley, seeing as it's looking pretty awful (other opinions are of course available, and just as valid).

Also, Red Lantern Kitteh - one shot, or ongoing?

[eldargal]

I don't think Suicide Squad will hurt HQ even if it treats her very badly, she's been too popular for too long. I'm not that hopeful for it I have to admit.

He had that introduction in a Red Lantern special and then became a regularly appearing Red Lantern, as far as I know he still pops up from time to time.

[Mr Mystery]

I'm sceptical.

Currently, she's an incredibly popular character because she's wonderfully complex. Massively intelligent, yet horribly abused by Her Puddin', and from what I see on the same sort of redemption arc as Deadpool attempted when he tried to be a hero.

But the film? My fear is the film is going to reduce her to boobs and hotpants. DC may then decide that because she's best known from the film, and in the film she's boobs and hotpants, then boobs and hotpants she shall be forever more.

I mean, these are the people that greenlit that Catwoman...

[eldargal]

Oh I think the film will probably do just that, but currently her comic is excellent and people still rememer the Batman Animated Series HQ so I don't think it will hurt her popularity, people will just be very grumpy they screwed her up.

[Mr Mystery]

I hope your right.

Considering she was a character invented for a kids TV show (though that doesn't do justice to the actual quality of that show, which was frankly superb) I'd hate to see her return to the screen damage the character.

[eldargal]

It helps that her comic is hugely popular, usually being in DCs top 5 best selling comics and the top 10-20 comics in general, month by month, depending how many high profile issue ones or Marvel Star Wars titles are out that month lol.

[Mr Mystery]

It is DC though....they're fond of idiotic behaviour (Joker Leto, for instance. Bat Affleck, for another. What they did to their successful Bat Woman comic....)

[Erik Setzer]

Meh... Red Lantern Kitteh feels so sad. People are such *******s. That kind of treatment of strays is why I rescued the ones I did.

Hope RLK tore those jerks who bagged it a new one.

[eldargal]

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[Kirsten]

I am liking that outfit

[Mr Mystery]

Shannara Chronicles starts on Thursday.

Have heard mixed things, and never read the books. I think I'll give it a whirl.

[Kirsten]

didn't like the books, found them really really bland

[Mr Mystery]

Well, I posted that in the wrong thread!

[eldargal]

George Miller is producing the Justice League film (http://comicsalliance.com/george-miller-justice-league/).

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It would be nice to have him directing it, but having the chap responsible for making Mad Max: Fury Road as one of the producers for this is very reassuring.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Where do people in the UK buy their comics from online? Wouldnt mind trying one out, that female asguardian one seems very appealing. Tried looking for female spider based heroes but they all seem related to spiderman, black widow is boring and all of them dissapointingly have only 2 legs.

[eldargal]

If you're happy with digital copies, try Comixology, if you want actual physical copies then Forbidden Planet are pretty good, or check for local comic stores.:)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

If you're happy with digital copies, try Comixology, if you want actual physical copies then Forbidden Planet are pretty good, or check for local comic stores.:)

Did have a look on there for "Hela comics" but found nothing sadly :'(

[eldargal]

Check her Marvel wiki entry (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Hela_(Earth-616)), some of the sub headings are names of story arcs which might/should be available as a collected volume, or at the bottom there is a link to a lsit of her appearances and figure out specific issues she was in and work out what she has appeared in that way.:)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Check her Marvel wiki entry (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Hela_(Earth-616)), some of the sub headings are names of story arcs which might/should be available as a collected volume, or at the bottom there is a link to a lsit of her appearances and figure out specific issues she was in and work out what she has appeared in that way.:)

thanks! any recomendations on other good female characters/superheroes? I tend to identify with ones that are quirky, a bit weird, outcasts/rebels ect.

[eldargal]

Ms Marvel by G Willow Wilson is great.:) DC Bombshells, though I'm way behind on that. Captain Marvel by Kelly Sue Denonnick, Mighty Thor by Jason Aaron. Probly more I'm forgetting.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Thankyou ^_^ <3

[eldargal]

Oh and Angela of Asgard and then Angela: Queen of Hel hehe. No problem at all, happy to share good lady comics with people hehe.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

that sounds EXACTLY like what I'm after and I see it's written by a woman too, so even better. have just bought first 3 issues, first comics iv bought since I was a wee little nipper.

[eldargal]

Yup, Marguerite Bennett who also writes DC Bombshells and a few other titles.:) She is also rumoured to be the next writer of the new Wonder Woman run starting with the Rebirth event in May, which would be beyond fantastic as WW hasn't had a writer who really gets the politics behind her and the Amazons since 2009 or something. Hope you like them.:)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I'm sure I will, reminds me of stuff like Claymore, Seirei no Moribito, Queen's Blade ect

is the new Wonder Woman run a "reboot", so noobs like me can start from the beginning or is it a continuation of some sort?

[eldargal]

It's not a reboot exactly, issue numbers are being reset back to #1 and old stories will wrap up before hand so its a good place for new readers to start. There is a lot of confusion about what exactly is going on with it, and no creative teams have been officially announced yet so might be disappointed.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Sounds like a good place for me to start with WW then.

Also watched the newest DC animated movie last night which had a heavy focus on Batwoman which was quite refreshing (I did not previously even know of the characters existence) and rather liked her character.

[eldargal]

Batwoman is great, if you want another good comic try Batwoman: Elegy and the New 52 Batwoman run where it was written by Greg Rucka and JH Williams.:)

[Kirsten]

25 amazing Harley moments

http://www.dorkly.com/post/76389/rev-up-yer-harley

[Mr Mystery]

Nice!

[Kirsten]

I might save the link so I can re-read it when Suicide Squad comes out to drown out the probable awfulness :p

[Mr Mystery]

Probable?

Well, nobody can say you're not an optimist.

[Kirsten]

I will go see it with an open mind. I have no expectations of greatness, but I will be more than happy if I am proven wrong.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Really liked "Vixen" in the last Arrow episode, i see she has a short web series that is animated, would like to see her in a full series though.

[eldargal]

She's getting another animated series and the word is if she is well received (which she has been so far) she might get her own live action show. I thought she was wonderful personally, easily the highlight of the episode.

[Mr Mystery]

Looking like a Agent Carter is getting a third series.

Sadly info was given in a clickbait format, so haven't corroborated and I'm not going to link to it, because I have principles!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

She's getting another animated series and the word is if she is well received (which she has been so far) she might get her own live action show. I thought she was wonderful personally, easily the highlight of the episode.

That would be great, she was a breath of fresh air. Found her quite relatable too, you know like the sort of person you wish was your friend lol

[eldargal]

Looking like a Agent Carter is getting a third series.

Sadly info was given in a clickbait format, so haven't corroborated and I'm not going to link to it, because I have principles!

Hope so, was so good. It's possible, I mean it didn't rate sper well but the important thing was did it rate better than reruns of another show would have? If no, and if Disney-Marvel are happy to keep paying (they own ABC) then it will continue. Also depending on Hayley Atwell schedule.


That would be great, she was a breath of fresh air. Found her quite relatable too, you know like the sort of person you wish was your friend lol

Yup, fingers well crossed for it hehe.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Hope it does get a 3rd series, by far my fave marvel series so far. All of the characters are likeable I find which is rare for me to find in a show. I am so curious about that key too...

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Wasn't overly taken with Vixen. Ruve Adams is my current season highlight. She's the tough, uncompromising, powerhouse driving Dhark's operatic 'villain with a code' in the direction they need. Deeply enjoyable, and subtly handled.
Like the character, didn't rate Echikunwoke's perfomance next to the stunning voice acting of Gina Torres for JL Unlimited. In fact, would have squealed like an anime schoolgirl stumblijng into the boy's locker room if they'd got Tores for this role. Sure they'd have had to make the character a wee bit older, but the DC-verse is all puppies and no warhounds right now.

[Mr Mystery]

Oh god. Having seemingly tired of telling us just how very, very serial Jared Leto took his role as Joker, according to Margot Robbie, they also spent a lot of time getting Harley's look right (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/suicide-squad/38574/suicide-squad-margot-robbie-on-getting-harley-quinn-s-costume-right)

Yes. Because y'know. That character is always about her look, and not anything else. Like character.

I reckon this film is going to be an absolute car-crash of poor casting, terrible directing, lame jokes and massive misinterpretation of what makes the characters popular.

Seriously. Nothing about getting Harley Quinn's character right. But they worked really hard on her costume. And we've seen her used as entirely possibly Joker Mangst.

Just.......ugh.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Looks like Supergirl is renewed for a 2nd season :
http://www.blastr.com/2016-3-8/cbs-renews-supergirl-high-flying-second-season

(It's corny as hell, but I enjoy it. My favourite character is of course the dominant alpha-female CEO)

[eldargal]

Not really a surprise, going to hold off getting to happy until the official announcement though. It's certainly my favourite superhero show on teevee, Arrow is kind of inconsistent, The Flash is superb, but Supergirl is just so much damn fun.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Not really a surprise, going to hold off getting to happy until the official announcement though. It's certainly my favourite superhero show on teevee, Arrow is kind of inconsistent, The Flash is superb, but Supergirl is just so much damn fun.

I'm liking Legends of tommorow too, mostly for Canary, Hawkgirl and Captain Cold. Need more of these shows, a lot of them but still not enough to sate my appetite. I want a modern Wonder Woman show but I doubt they'll make one with the movie sadly.

[eldargal]

I need to watch that, I've heard it gets very good after the first couple of episodes.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Oh and got my Angela queen of hel comics in the post just now :
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa207/embodiedscrew/MahComics_zpshpwjws7u.jpg

allthough you can see that they've been stolen by a certain someone...

[eldargal]

Hope you enjoy them.:)

[Mr Mystery]

If Angela is Queen of Hel, is Deirdre Queen of Purgatory, and Sharon Queen of Midgard?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

And Helga is Queen of the Existiverse!

[Erik Setzer]

Oh and got my Angela queen of hel comics in the post just now :
allthough you can see that they've been stolen by a certain someone...

It's a fun series, definitely.

It's a bit amusing to think that after Angela went down to Hell to help Spawn kill Malebolgia (and leave his throne empty... dumb move, Al) and then got murdered with her own weapon, she hopped over to Marvel, became Thor's sister, and still ended up taking over Hel.

If they wouldn't get in trouble for it, it would have been hilarious to see one of Sera's fourth wall breaking commentaries say something like, "THAT is how you take over Hel, Simmons."

Can't say much more on it, it'd probably be spoilerish. :P

[Mr Mystery]

http://youtu.be/dKrVegVI0Us

Behold the doom of Dawn of Justice....

[Erik Setzer]

The Spider-Man bit has to be really early in the editing phase. He looked almost like CGI there (though I don't think he is CGI), and his voice sounds too much like a prepubescent boy talking into a cheap headset. But there's still time left for them to clean that up, so it should be fine.

Still... have to say, doing the Spider-Man reveal at the end felt out of place. Rest of the trailer's perfect and it looks like it'll be awesome, but it ended up feeling like Spider-Man being in the movie was some kind of big deal, and, as far as the story goes (not the Sony-Marvel wrangling), he's not a big deal. Sure he was in the original comic, but this is very much changed from that. (He was also in his 30s in the original comic series, clearly isn't that age here.)

Minor gripes in an otherwise awesome trailer. I'm just being nitpicky here.

[grimmas]

I've been a bit nonplused with the Marvel releases of late (I've not seen Deadpool though). More of a 2000AD man. I did get the Civil War Graffic novel though so I'm very interested by this. I rather liked that the Villians were involved as well so I'm a little disappointed not to see any in the trailers (barring Bucky). It'd be a shame as it gave it an extra nuance, especially when the Punisher turned up. Not that it's a game breaker it looks like it's going to be a humdinger and too many character would probably overwhelm things.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I do love me the ABC Warriors! I have them in graphic novel format, the Vogan war even has some awesome floaty lovecraft monsters so I get both my death-robots and freaky aliens fighting it out - my idea of paradise!!

[Erik Setzer]

The Civil War comic series was spread out over a LOT of issues and series. They'd have to devote multiple movies to it, and that just wouldn't work so well. They're just borrowing the same concept and putting it into what they've been doing with the movies.

Bucky's also not really a villain any more (and certainly not in the comics). Similarly, Punisher isn't a villain, more just an "anti-hero" like Deadpool. I'm disappointed he's not shown back up in the comics since the world ended and was remade, I'd be worried Marvel's trying to ignore him but he's showing up in Daredevil, so he can't be completely case aside yet.

[grimmas]

The Civil War comic series was spread out over a LOT of issues and series. They'd have to devote multiple movies to it, and that just wouldn't work so well. They're just borrowing the same concept and putting it into what they've been doing with the movies.

Bucky's also not really a villain any more (and certainly not in the comics). Similarly, Punisher isn't a villain, more just an "anti-hero" like Deadpool. I'm disappointed he's not shown back up in the comics since the world ended and was remade, I'd be worried Marvel's trying to ignore him but he's showing up in Daredevil, so he can't be completely case aside yet.

Ahh ok it must have been an anthology. Yeah it was more The punisher's reaction to the villians that interested me at the time.

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I do love me the ABC Warriors! I have them in graphic novel format, the Vogan war even has some awesome floaty lovecraft monsters so I get both my death-robots and freaky aliens fighting it out - my idea of paradise!!


Yeah just a bit. I'm sure you liked a bit of Nemesis as well? They were never shy on treating us to some decent aliens.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Only read some Dredd and ABC warriors, not heard of Nemesis...but now my interest is peaked!

[Mr Mystery]

If I'm right in thinking, there's 'from them beginning' Nemesis collections now.

And another massive 2000AD fan right here. I've got (and continue to get :)) the Dredd Mega Collection.

It's such a superb comic, and there's barely any British comic book artist or writer who didn't cut their teeth within its hallowed pages. They'll give anyone a chance if they've got the talent.

[grimmas]

Only read some Dredd and ABC warriors, not heard of Nemesis...but now my interest is peaked!

He's a fire breathing freedom fighting alien Warlock who happens to be good mates with Deadlock from the ABC warriors (well as matey as anyone gets with Deadlock).

His story title is Nemesis the Warlock.

Of course I'm now thinking that 2000AD characters probably don't fit in a thead about Superheroes, they may be super but they mostly aren't heroes 😳

[Brakkart]

Good news on the superhero tv front, apparently all of the DC tv shows (Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and Legends of Tomorrow) have been renewed for another season. Here's hoping they can fit a few more crossovers in next year as those rock. This is great news for Constantine fans too, as he's part of the season 2 cast for Legends. Looking forward to that.

[Morgrim]

I'm concerned the Civil War movie may kill off Rhodey just to cause pain to Tony Stark. :(

[Mr Mystery]

That's alright. Dawn of Justice cast Ben Affleck just to cause pain to Batman fans.

Speaking of which, we'll all know soon enough whether it'll be a big old bowl of Humble Pie at Mystery Towers for the foreseeable. DoJ is out very soon, so we might start seeing reviews of it in the next week or so.

Provided of course it's not so bad they refuse to screen it for critics.

[eldargal]

I'm concerned the Civil War movie may kill off Rhodey just to cause pain to Tony Stark. :(

I think that if he actually dies in teh film they wouldn't be implying so heavily that he dies in the trailers.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm concerned the Civil War movie may kill off Rhodey just to cause pain to Tony Stark. :(

I can't imagine them doing something that daft. He's become a pretty popular character. I think he will get injured (clearly), and that'll lead to Stark getting even more pissed at Rogers and company.

Rhodey fills a much-needed role by being a "regular guy" in the company of superheroes. Okay, granted, Stark's just a guy in a suit, too, but he's had more time to get used to it, and has continuously nice suits. He brings humility to the unit.

[Charistoph]

I can't imagine them doing something that daft. He's become a pretty popular character. I think he will get injured (clearly), and that'll lead to Stark getting even more pissed at Rogers and company.

Rhodey fills a much-needed role by being a "regular guy" in the company of superheroes. Okay, granted, Stark's just a guy in a suit, too, but he's had more time to get used to it, and has continuously nice suits. He brings humility to the unit.

He was still around by Secret Invasion in the comics, but he was "more machine now, than man". He got hooked up to a Stark Satellite which allowed him to convert it to Super Space War Machine. But I believe Quicksilver was also running around (giving Terrigan Mist to former Mutants to regain their powers), if I remember correctly.

[Erik Setzer]

He was still around by Secret Invasion in the comics, but he was "more machine now, than man". He got hooked up to a Stark Satellite which allowed him to convert it to Super Space War Machine. But I believe Quicksilver was also running around (giving Terrigan Mist to former Mutants to regain their powers), if I remember correctly.

Quicksilver's still around in the comics right now (part of the Uncanny Avengers, a group featuring Rogue, Deadpool, Synapse IIRC, and I think Johnny Storm, but definitely not Spider-Man because he hates Deadpool). And in the current story, Terrigen Mists aren't helping mutants with their powers, they're actually driving mutants close to extinction.

I have a feeling things got really complicated and messy at some point. (The new set of Marvel comics is doing its first serious crossover event, so I expect them to get even messier.)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

trailer for the supergirl/flash crossover :
http://www.blastr.com/2016-3-16/updated-watch-first-teaser-trailer-supergirlthe-flash-crossover-episode-worlds-finest

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/82/Birds_of_Prey_8_%28Jan_2010%29.png

just discovered the "birds of prey", anyone familiar with this or know any recomendations where to start?

[eldargal]

Gail Simone's run on BoP is pretty popular. There will be a new BoP series starting in May or June which is exciting.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Gail Simone's run on BoP is pretty popular. There will be a new BoP series starting in May or June which is exciting.

ill wait till then :D

looks like there was a short-lived tv series in 2002 too : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birds_of_Prey_(TV_series)
May have to give this one a watch, annoyed how few female super heroe shows there. There is litterally only supergirl at current.

[eldargal]

Hopefully it will be better than the New 52 BoP which started well but kind of went down hill fairly quickly.

[Mr Mystery]

David Ayer has been waxing lyrical about Jared Leto.

Again.

Still no praise for the other cast members though. Or the plot etc.

[Erik Setzer]

David Ayer has been waxing lyrical about Jared Leto.

Again.

Still no praise for the other cast members though. Or the plot etc.

It's probably just trying to compensate for all the people out there complaining that Leto doesn't "look right" for a character that's constantly changing, like he's trying way too hard to say, "You'll like him! Really!" There's not as many complaints about the rest of the cast (okay, some about Harley Quinn, but otherwise not much), and the story seems like it'll be about what you expect from Suicide Squad: They get some bad guys together, strap bombs on them, and tell them to do something "good" (by government standards)... or else.

[Mr Mystery]

Ignore. Failed to spot old post and the date.

Bad Mystery, Dirty Mystery. In your bed, on your rug.

[Mr Mystery]

Ooooh....apparently, we're getting a Captain Britain series.....

[Mr Mystery]

http://cdn-static.denofgeek.com/sites/denofgeek/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/2016/03/wonder_woman.jpg?itok=KBSU5UwE

Wonder Woman, in her own film shot pic thing.

[Kirsten]

looks excellent

[Mr Mystery]

I just hope it doesn't suck as much as BvS is said to.

Also, WW in that pic looks a bit like a Kardashian cosplaying an Asgardian. At least to my eyes.

[eldargal]

User reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are a lot more positive (80% last time I checked) than critical reviews which is interesting. Still not going into it expecting much.

Very excite for WW though.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

This is the DC film I am most psyched for.

[Path Walker]

User reviews on Rotten Tomatoes are a lot more positive (80% last time I checked) than critical reviews which is interesting. Still not going into it expecting much.

Very excite for WW though.

That happens with a lot of terrible films though, idiots lap that **** up.

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Ooooh....apparently, we're getting a Captain Britain series.....

I hope its like the serious weird and trippy Alan Moore version

[Mr Mystery]

I've seriously enjoyed films that had duff reviews in the past - such as Terminator Genisys.

But Dawn of Justice....I just can't get enthused enough now to bother seeing it in the cinema.

[eldargal]

Gail Simone enjoyed it so I'm feeling more enthusiastic for it now.

[Mr Mystery]

Still no great impulse.

I was sceptical at the outset due to Batfleck, and the underwhelming MoS. Early fan reviews peaked my interest to the point of 'aye, go on then'. Then the actual critics kicked in. Ouch.

No doubt I will see it eventually, but I can't see that being until I can rent it off Sky, or even a Netflix job (a service through which I've found many a cool film!)

With any luck, the bad reviews will bury Zak Snyder's career forever more.

[Mr Mystery]

And now on BoLS eff-emm, here's a song for WB/DC and in particular Zak Snyder, who tried to replicate the success of Marvel without doing the ground work.

It's 'The Smiths' with You Just Haven't Earned It Yet, Baby'


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGSoAXt2SU

[eldargal]

DC have announced more details on the REbirth event and what is following it, some highlights for me:

-Greg Rucka writing Wonder Woman. Rucka is the guy who made Batwoman into a (lesbian) a-lister and really writes women characters exceptionally well, this is such good news.
-Superwoman and Supergirl are getting their own titles, rumours are Superwoman is Lois Lane and she is back with Superman, ending the really problematic Superman/Wonder Woman relationship.
-Batgirl is continuing (yay) and Birds of Prey is being relaunched.

[Mr Mystery]

Wtf is REbirth?

Is it a New 52 'sod it, start again' or a Civil War 'free-for-all-cross-title-pagga'?

[eldargal]

It's not really clear yet, but from what I understand its basically '**** the New 52 hasn't worked, we got a heap of new readers but failed to retain them, let's start everything again from issue 0 and try again but not reboot continuity'. It makes more sense when you remember that the Convergence event of late last year restored the old 52 continuity as an alternate universe or something and there was crossover between them I think so they can bring back characters they retconned out of existence and stuff potentially.

[Mr Mystery]

Ahh...

The old 'Bat-Reboot Button'

[Brakkart]

DC have announced more details on the REbirth event and what is following it, some highlights for me:

-Greg Rucka writing Wonder Woman. Rucka is the guy who made Batwoman into a (lesbian) a-lister and really writes women characters exceptionally well, this is such good news.
-Superwoman and Supergirl are getting their own titles, rumours are Superwoman is Lois Lane and she is back with Superman, ending the really problematic Superman/Wonder Woman relationship.
-Batgirl is continuing (yay) and Birds of Prey is being relaunched.

Greg Rucka is an all round comics superstar, really good writer period so looking forward to him writing Wonder Woman. I've enjoyed the current run by Meredith Finch, she got a lot of flak as she was hired simply because she's the artists wife but I liked her take on Donna Troy and feel shes done a good job continuing the storyline from where Azzarello left off especially with regard to Diana's troubled relationship with her godly family.

Supergirl already had her own title, in fact she has two now as there's also one that ties in to the tv series.

I'm actually a fan of the Superman/Wonder Woman relationship and seriously hope that they do not go back to him being with Lois again because it's boring. Every possible permutation of that relationship has been done to death already in 70 years of comics. They've both had super powers, both been normal humans, got married, divorced, had kids, one or the other has been widowed, they've grown old and died together and even become gods together. S/WW was something new and interesting, not just the dynamic between them but how the rest of the world reacts to them being a couple and for the most part the stories with them as a couple have been really good, their joint comic is a favourite of mine as is Justice League. Having him back with Lois is the laziest thing they could do.

Here's hoping Batgirl get a decent costume again as her current one is utter rubbish.

[Path Walker]

Every now and then, I wonder why I never got in to DC comics main continuity and then they try another reboot or Crisis or what have you and I remember why I stayed well away.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Excited for Birds of Prey and Wonder Woman ^_^ I'll be on that

[Erik Setzer]

After reading Angela, Queen of Hel #6, it's easily become one of my favorite comics. I'd try to describe the series to people, but I don't think that's possible without confusing them. This issue just throws in all kinds of stuff, from Angela and Sera over-the-top flirting, to fourth wall shattering (bad enough Sera references the Deadpool movie and straight up talks about the comic, comments in the press about the comic, and page counts, there's also a random bit of speech from a passerby who references the writer by name), to the former Handmaiden basically acting as a daughter for Angela and Sera while carrying around a demon dog that seems to spout out random thoughts that may or may not be from the people around it (and normally it looks like an adorable terrier). But the scene that had me almost bust out laughing in public was when the dog started slurping down a ramen creature (yes, that's ramen the noodles) and shouted "NOODLES FOR THE NOODLE GOD!"

So yeah, lesbian couple (one of whom is transgender) acting as mothers to a former Handmaiden of the deposed queen of Hel, fourth wall shattering, crazy stuff happening while they try to settle into an apartment in New York, and, of course, "NOODLES FOR THE NOODLE GOD!" It's got it all.


Meanwhile, there's all the Avengers crews acting all serious with that Pleasant Hill stuff... (Which might be interesting, but is a little confusing so far with the crossover aspect.)


On the DC front, if they do a "soft reset" that'll be the perfect chance for me to jump into DC comics. Which might be a bad idea for my bank account, but eh, I've got the money, I can handle it.

[Erik Setzer]

And then, after enjoying Angela so much through these six issues, I find out issue 7 is the last issue.

Well, frak.

Seems Marvel's cutting all the ones that aren't selling well. I imagine there's a lot more about to get the axe, too. I hope Angela and Sera (and Leah) come back later, though, and get more exposure in the stores. Not seeing them on shelves probably didn't help sell them, but I know shelf space is limited and you have Marvel and DC's top series, plus all the other companies... guess the market's just a bit flooded. (But really, do we need three Avengers teams, three X-Men teams, comics for each individual member of the Avengers teams, and five Supermans and five Batmans?)

[Mr Mystery]

I don't think we need any X-Men titles or teams, because X-Men comics are rubbish.

Controversial, but there it is. I just find them really, really dull reads

[eldargal]

And then, after enjoying Angela so much through these six issues, I find out issue 7 is the last issue.

Well, frak.

Seems Marvel's cutting all the ones that aren't selling well. I imagine there's a lot more about to get the axe, too. I hope Angela and Sera (and Leah) come back later, though, and get more exposure in the stores. Not seeing them on shelves probably didn't help sell them, but I know shelf space is limited and you have Marvel and DC's top series, plus all the other companies... guess the market's just a bit flooded. (But really, do we need three Avengers teams, three X-Men teams, comics for each individual member of the Avengers teams, and five Supermans and five Batmans?)

A lot of people are really angry, people have been saying really since Bennett took over Angela: Asgard's Assassin that Marvel were doing a piss poor job of promoting the title, no cover variants to boost sales to retailers, very little advertising, no attempt to let the LGBT community know 'hey here is a comic we care about with lesbian leads one of whom is transgender', it just got left to its own devices. I don't think it was deliberate but it sucks because it is one of the better titles Marvel has at the moment.

Angela is quite a high profile name too, like she won the fan vote on Marvel dot com for the fan vote Marvel Legends action figure against some pretty stiff competition, she has a lot of heritage with the whole Spawn thing and crossoving when Marvel got Gaiman's rights to her or whatever. It wouldn't have been odd to promote it more.

[Erik Setzer]

She's also being added to Marvel Heroes 2016 this year, which will give her even more exposure.

It feels like the comics companies are trying to play it safe too much, focusing on the core teams and their characters. Though it does feel weird when we're now at two Iron Man series, both about Tony Stark, as well as his role in one of the Avengers teams. At least the two Spider-man series are different guys (Parker and Morales), and the two Captain America series we have will be two Caps (Wilson and Rogers), and Deadpool's second series is based around his Mercs for Money.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Got issues 5 and 6 of that one today, sad to hear there will only be 1 more to go. Was hoping it would be a longer run than that. Personally I could never relate to a lot of the mainstream heroes in both DC and Marvel.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Looks like Birds of Prey are coming for the Arrow/Flash expansion for the batman miniatures game :
http://www.beastsofwar.com/batman-miniature-game/knight-models-reveal-flash-arrow-expansion/

:D

[Mr Mystery]

Hmm.

Uncorroborated source suggests Zak Snyder isn't heading up Justice League anymore....George Miller to replace.

Sadly article was clickbaity, so not 100%.

If it's true, can only be a good thing, because Zak Snyder is an arse.

[eldargal]

That would be so good.

[Kirsten]

I know there was a petition to remove him

[Brakkart]

The Snyder being removed thing was an April Fool's btw, shooting starts on Justice League part 1 in a few weeks and he will be directing it. For which I'm glad as I like his movies. I believe George Miller is wanted by DC to helm the next pure Superman movie though and that would be a really good fit I think.

[eldargal]

Aww.

[Mr Mystery]

Bums :(

Just watching the Agent Carter Season 2 Finale.

God I hope there's a third season.

[eldargal]

No word as of Wondercon in late March. There were hopeful rumblings earlier, people saying that Disney-Marvel liked the synergy it has with the MCU and Agents of SHIELD, and the fact it still probably does better than rerunrs would do in the same time slot and D-M is paying for it not ABC (which they own but whatever).

[Mr Mystery]

Another Suicide Squad trailer, another fat old 'meeeeeeh' from Mystery Towers.

Other opinions are available and no more or less valid. But yeah. Looking like they've stuffed Harley Quinn.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I think ill probably enjoy that one personally, but Harley's depiction in the batman animated series is my favourite. Batmanverse dose have all my fave female villains strangely (Poison Ivy and Catwoman too!)

[Mr Mystery]

Blimey.

Early reviews for Captain America Civil War are glowing, including accusations it's Marvel's best yet, and still manages to be a Cap film, rather than Avengers Two and a Half.

And here's Rotten Tomatoes with links to the reviews so far (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/captain_america_civil_war/)

Really looking forward to this, even if Lego did drop a clanger of a spoiler with one of their sets.

Most excited to see Spidey being done some kind of justice, and of course Black Panther. And the inevitable post-credits tease.

My only wish is that they'd go back to doing One Shots on the home media releases. I mean, one of thos spawned Agent Carter!

[Kirsten]

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/04/14/jared-leto-i-sent-anal-beads-and-used-condoms-to-suicide-squad-colleagues/?utm_source=PNFB&utm_medium=SocialFB&utm_content=FBN&utm_campaign=PNFacebook

Leto apparently 'getting in to character' but what that character is I am not sure

[Mr Mystery]

Injustice like a CIShet being cast as a transgender character........

Getting Into Character.....

http://ermiliablog.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/inigo-montoya-what-you-think-it-means-meme.jpg?w=529

[Kirsten]

so he has sent anal beads to cast, and changed a few ringtones. wow, hardcore Jokering that is... he is going to fail so hard :p

[Mr Mystery]

I hope it scuppers his career.

Can't stand him.

[Kirsten]

well I wouldn't be that harsh personally, but he is going to ruin this character. It is a shame the Joker is in it at all, he isn't needed, and will only try to overshadow the other villains who deserve a moment in the spotlight. plus I think he will ruin the appearance of Harley

[Mr Mystery]

Pretty sure Margot Wotsherface has managed to ruin Harley all on her own....

[Kirsten]

I don't know, she looks ok to me so far. but Harley as a character is always better away from Joker

[Mr Mystery]

Doesn't sound right, and they've gone for the 'five-knuckle-fantasy' outfit.

And all they've said is how long they spent getting her look right.

Car Crash in 3.....2.....1.....

[Erik Setzer]

A character's voice doesn't have to be exactly the same across media. I think a whole movie with her being voiced like the cartoon character was would be painful. There's also the matter of dealing with the voices of the people available. Some people voice cartoon characters who look nothing like them, so when you try to cast the character in live-action, you either have to have someone who looks totally different (think Archer and H. Jon Benjamin), or the voice is different. Or you try to have the actor lip-sync while attempting to match up voiceover work, which is a recipe for disaster.

I don't think the movie will be bad, and I think Leto might actually be an enjoyable Joker in his own right, but at this point I am sick of hearing about his stupid stage jokes.

[Mr Mystery]

See that's what's worrying me.

Pretty much all we've heard is just how super, super, like.....SUPER serial he's been taking it..and when we hear about his 'zany pranks', they're actually pretty lame, or just downright 'that's not weird. That's just gross'....over egging the pudding springs to mind, and my fear is that the studio isn't actually all that happy or convinced with his performance, and are instead trying to bag points for trying.

I'm going to make an 'out there' prediction....this is gonna get even worse reviews than BvS.

As ever, I'm happy to be proved wrong, but I'm pretty confident this is going to suck more than a black hole trapped in a Dyson.

[YorkNecromancer]

To me, it looks like it's going to be 'Deadpool' only without the fourth-wall breaking humour: fun while you're watching it, but ultimately a hollow experience because the core of the thing is a patchwork of cliches, and a tired story everyone's seen a hundred times before - one without depth and that compensates for its shortcomings with violence that's only edgy in comparison to other superhero films because they show the blood rather than leaving it to the imagination.

Jared Leto is one of the most overrated actors alive, and he isn't helped by his eminently 'punch me' face. Margot Robbie's got the body language and facial expressions right, but the outfit is just disgusting. No matter how bad he is as Killer Croc, Adewale Akinnoye-Agbaje will always get a pass from me because he was Adebisi in 'Oz'. Will Smith just looks old. Joel Kinnaman will never have a better role than the one he played in 'The Killing', where he basically stole the whole series from literally everyone else in it. As for everyone else... Meh?

I get the feeling I'm going to spend the whole film wondering when Jason Statham's going to show up to make it actually good, then be mildly disappointed that he doesn't.

Until Bruce Timm and Paul Dini are put in charge of DC's output and given complete creative control, nothing that company does is going to be worth watching.

[Mr Mystery]

You know, the hype has left me feeling like a girl who's been relentlessly seduced by a self-proclaimed Casanova, who promised the sexual world, but turned out to be a Two-Push-Charlie that 'Won The Milk Race' then farted and rolled over.

[YorkNecromancer]

*sigh*

See, I don't mind the two-push. I can teach him to be better. Or the farting; that just means I can let one out without feeling guilty.

It's the rolling over that does it... Just so contemptuous.

[Mr Mystery]

It's the total let down that would get me.

I'll spare any kind of detail, let alone detailed details, but when something has been built up like that, and it's anything but.....heartbroken.

Hence when I actually have the gumption to chat up a lass and things start going very well, I'll be coy about the details. Then if I meet or exceed expectations, it's a pleasant surprise!

So like Civil War. It's got serious pedigree, especially following on from Winter Solider, but also something to prove, following on from the very very mildly disappointing Age of Ultron. Yet any hype has been fairly modest, at least so far. It's getting good reviews, but I still may not take to it. But as it hasn't bigged itself up nor bragged much, then fair enough.

[Erik Setzer]

Angela: Queen of Hel ends its run this week. Pretty good last issue, leaves it open for more stories, but still works as an ending.

The really weird thing is that they mention at the end of it that they knew it'd end at issue 7 back in November... but that would mean either the first issue sold terribly and they didn't think it'd improve, or it just wasn't planned as anything but a rather limited run. Meh.

Also trying to figure out if Ms. Marvel's still going. This week's issue closes with "End" and no preview image for the next issue or anything, and it feels like it might have wrapped up that story. It'd be sad if that comic closes up, too. (At least she's still in the All-New, All-Different Avengers, but it was fun reading her misadventures with friends and family. Also, seeing Loki referred to even by Carol Danvers as a "hipster Viking," and two kids trying to summon Loki with a symbol on the floor using cups of Starbucks as points of a seven-pointed star and two smartphones in the center... no other comic can give me that.)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

My Angela issue 7 got dispatched today, looking forward to it but hope it will continue somehow (please kindly avoid spoilers though!)

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, was doing my best not to say anything spoilery. Pretty sure we all know Issue 7 was the last issue for this run, though.

And as much as the Ms. Marvel comics referring to Loki as "hipster Viking" were great, I still have to tip my hat to issue 6 of Angela where you had Thori shouting "Noodles for the Noodle God!"

[Erik Setzer]

I was reading this week's issue of Venom: Space Knight (#6), and spotted something a bit peculiar when they showed the villain (wearing the symbiote) looking out over his fleet. See if you can figure out what's off about this image.
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[Psychosplodge]

Yeah, was doing my best not to say anything spoilery. Pretty sure we all know Issue 7 was the last issue for this run, though.

And as much as the Ms. Marvel comics referring to Loki as "hipster Viking" were great, I still have to tip my hat to issue 6 of Angela where you had Thori shouting "Noodles for the Noodle God!"

Touched by his noodley appendage? Pasta be upon him.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I was reading this week's issue of Venom: Space Knight (#6), and spotted something a bit peculiar when they showed the villain (wearing the symbiote) looking out over his fleet. See if you can figure out what's off about this image.
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Those orange vehicles look a lot like those tau 40k ones? Otherwise, no clue.

[Psychosplodge]

The hammerheads/devilfish, and the battlesuit? C&D letter in the post then? :D

[Kirsten]

skyrays I think, and a riptide. but yes.

[Psychosplodge]

You're right I didn't look close enough to see the missile rack.

[Kirsten]

stolen assets from one of the games perhaps?

[Psychosplodge]

lazy artist with an editor that doesn't know?

[Kirsten]

yeah, were there tau in that 40k plants vs zombies style game? skyrays look like Dawn of War, not sure about the riptide, what factions were in that Armageddon game?

[Erik Setzer]

I had to flip back and forth a few times and confirm I wasn't crazy when I saw them. Everything right down to the drones in the front.

I don't think GW wants to pick a fight with Marvel, even if they'd be in the right on this one, but at the very least I imagine there's an apology coming if GW notices.

[Mr Mystery]

Just seen (most of) Civil War.

It's pretty damned good - but do try not to confuse a 14:00 start with a 15:00 start, like wot I did.....

[Erik Setzer]

Just seen (most of) Civil War.

It's pretty damned good - but do try not to confuse a 14:00 start with a 15:00 start, like wot I did.....

Ouch.

I still have to wait until next weekend. Meh.

[Charistoph]

I got tickets to an early premiere next Thursday. And thanks to the novel concept of ignoring Daylight Savings Time our state has, I doubt I will confuse the start times.

I just have to drop off two kids, pick up the wife, and get in place half an hour early. Even earlier if I can, actually since I need to get the tickets for my friend and his wife.

Even if it isn't the comic Civil War that was impressive, it should be interesting having Cap versus the Spider and Panther.

[Mr Mystery]

The more I think about it, the more I'm thoroughly impressed with the writing and direction on this one, not to mention the acting.

Stand out scene for me is the big ensemble fight. The Russo's have managed to give every combatant something to do, and most importantly, nobody acts out of character. When you've got what, a dozen well known and well loved heroes on screen kicking seven bells out of each other, and yet the reason for each individual to actually get involved and on the the side they do is well sold - that's pretty much genius in my book.

The interaction between the various characters is just sooooooo bloody good! Spidey is superb. T'Challa is superb. It really doesn't feel like anyone is just there because they're contract says they need to be, or because someone finally offered enough money to show their face.

Hell, they even get across a sense of 'A', 'B' and 'C' listers within the ranks - not necessarily in screen time, but the portrayal (Ant-Man and Spider-Man definitely run as 'C' list, for instance - over awed at the people they're suddenly with).

Go see it - you won't be disappointed!

[Erik Setzer]

There are people making jokes - hopefully just jokes and not real complaints - about the movie "only" including about a dozen heroes and not scores of them. But if you throw that many in there, there'd be no way to set up why everyone's involved and what's at stake for them. Sounds like they definitely made the right choice.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

I've read here and there that it feels more like an Avengers film than a Cap. I respectfully disagree. Yes the biggest set piece is a free-for-all pagga between most of The Avengers, but the plot is all about Cap and Bucky - the majority of the others don't have much to do in the plot.

But Spidey.....perfect. We of course know the character was something of a last minute addition, but how they've handled that is clever, but more importantly, satisfying.

[Mr Mystery]

Den of Geek have a rundown of 50 Comic Book TV Adaptations that are coming up (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/comic-book-tv-shows/33601/35-upcoming-comic-book-tv-shows-and-when-to-expect-them)

Some renewals of existing series, some are spinoffs thereof. Others yet new and intriguing prospects.

Seems unlikely I'll watch all of them (hell, despite quite enjoying what I've seen, I've struggled to commit to watching DC's superior TV series. Dunno why!) but I think that so many are being done now shows the depth of the comic book industry, even within the two biggest publishers (DC and Marvel, natch)

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I want a Shuma Gorath tv show where he kicks the sh1t out of cthulhu for not being eldritch enough.

[Erik Setzer]

Seems that's the future of the genre, at least in the short term. A lot of comic series are getting canceled in print, but could probably make it as a TV show.

Going to cross my fingers for an Angela show with Angela and Sera kicking nine kinds of *** across the mortal realms.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Going to cross my fingers for an Angela show with Angela and Sera kicking nine kinds of *** across the mortal realms.

I'd love that too, not enough female led shows either - only supergirl really. Could do with a few more at least.

[Charistoph]

I'd love that too, not enough female led shows either - only supergirl really. Could do with a few more at least.

Carter not get renewed?

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

doesn't sound likely :
http://collider.com/agent-carter-season-3-marvels-most-wanted/

:'(

[eldargal]

Angela: Queen of Hel ends its run this week. Pretty good last issue, leaves it open for more stories, but still works as an ending.

The really weird thing is that they mention at the end of it that they knew it'd end at issue 7 back in November... but that would mean either the first issue sold terribly and they didn't think it'd improve, or it just wasn't planned as anything but a rather limited run. Meh.

Also trying to figure out if Ms. Marvel's still going. This week's issue closes with "End" and no preview image for the next issue or anything, and it feels like it might have wrapped up that story. It'd be sad if that comic closes up, too. (At least she's still in the All-New, All-Different Avengers, but it was fun reading her misadventures with friends and family. Also, seeing Loki referred to even by Carol Danvers as a "hipster Viking," and two kids trying to summon Loki with a symbol on the floor using cups of Starbucks as points of a seven-pointed star and two smartphones in the center... no other comic can give me that.)

Yup Ms Marvel is solicited up to July which is as far as solicits go currently. They won't cancel it, her physical issue sales are very good and her digital and trade sales are HUGE, like some of Marvel's best sellers bar none.

[Mr Mystery]

Bigger than 'Pool?

[eldargal]

Not sure, but in the months a Ms Marvel trade has been released its either been the best selling trade of that month or Marvel's best selling. One of them ranked #2 on the New York Best Selling graphic novels list as well.

[Mr Mystery]

Nice.

Is that the one where it's not Carol Danvers, and instead a choice of character that probably peeved some Republicans?

[eldargal]

Yup, teenaged Pakistani-American Muslim girl. Easily one of the best comics on the market right now.

[Erik Setzer]

It's really done well. Balances personal and hero stuff, doesn't get overly dramatic or anything, doesn't forget to have fun but also doesn't go too goofy. It's hitting some good balances.

[eldargal]

So, after five or six weeks Batman vs Superman has made a global total of 875m colonial not pounds, while after three or four days Captain America: Civil War has made a total of 675m colonial not pounds.

I'm really hoping the Wonder Woman film does superbly well, having her solo movie out gross the Bats/Supes crossover film would be hilarious.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

AH F**K!!

http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-13/agent-carter-retired-marvels-most-wanted-not-wanted-all-abc

RIP Agent Carter :(

best thing iv seen from marvel too, really had hoped it would get a 3rd series :/

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On a more positive note, Supergirl season 2 is confirmed and move to CW :
http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-12/official-supergirl-flying-high-season-2-renewal-and-move-cw

[eldargal]

Yup sad.:( Though it doesn't mean we might not one day get a show about the founding of SHIELD starring Haley Atwell one day...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yup sad.:( Though it doesn't mean we might not one day get a show about the founding of SHIELD starring Haley Atwell one day...

At least we get more supergirl though eh? I need my Cat Grant fix.

[Erik Setzer]

At least we get more supergirl though eh? I need my Cat Grant fix.

Supergirl got booted from CBS over to CW, though.

Aside from Jessica Jones getting a new season, it's not been great news for female-led superhero shows. Then again, does CBS or ABC run any other superhero shows? Maybe it's just superheroes in general are too niche for the bigger networks to be satisfied. Why run something entertaining when you could throw another Big Bang Theory on the air and get a bunch of mindless folks tuning in laughing when they're told to and driving up the numbers?

[Mr Mystery]

I'd be very surprised if Netflix haven't got at least some interest in taking on Agent Carter....

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, I'd think the chances are pretty high Netflix gives it a go. The numbers dropped a good bit, but were still not bad, and could be better if the show went back to its roots.

Also, I'm ashamed I forgot Agents of SHIELD, still running on ABC. Probably because I still keep forgetting to catch up on it.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Theres loads I'd love to see in tv or film : Angela, She-hulk, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Medusa and of course Spider Woman.

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I think Agent Carter perhaps suffered a similar problem to the Dredd movie - in that it didn't do well commercially but has quite a strong fanbase, so I hope netflix do pick it up. Lol, netflix seems to be the hope for a lot of things lately.

[Mr Mystery]

Netflix. The current saviours of non-****ty TeeVee.

Hell, depending on licensing, Amazon might see Agent Carter as a way to get their slice of the Marvel pie.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

We still need more female led shows though ffs...Wouldn't mind a Scarlet Witch spinoff movie either come to think.

[Erik Setzer]

Ah, I forgot about Amazon. They probably want a slice of that cake, unless Netflix has an exclusive deal.

[Charistoph]

Hulu is also a possibility, but they don't get along well with ABC as it is (no commercial plan still shows commercials for them).

With Daredevil already in Netflix's hands, along with Jessica Jones, this makes Netflix the most likely candidate to carry it on, if anyone. But it could also be rather lucrative as a competitive point for the owners if they could get bidding from other streaming services...

[eldargal]

Supergirl got booted from CBS over to CW, though.

Aside from Jessica Jones getting a new season, it's not been great news for female-led superhero shows. Then again, does CBS or ABC run any other superhero shows? Maybe it's just superheroes in general are too niche for the bigger networks to be satisfied. Why run something entertaining when you could throw another Big Bang Theory on the air and get a bunch of mindless folks tuning in laughing when they're told to and driving up the numbers?

I think it belongs on CW to be honest .CW audience skews young female, which is the target audience for Supergirl.

I really want Netflix Ms Marvel and She-Hulk shows.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I really want Netflix Ms Marvel and She-Hulk shows.

Am loving Ms Marvel especially.

[Erik Setzer]

I really want Netflix Ms Marvel and She-Hulk shows.

Ms. Marvel would be great. As for She-Hulk, her own series would be cool, but I'd vote for A-Force getting a series. She-Hulk, Dazzler, Captain Marvel, Medusa, Nico and Singularity... all ladies, all kickass, and it's fun reading their interactions. Would make a cool series (and movie).

[Mr Mystery]

WB/DC will be making a Harley Quinn movie (http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/40714/warner-bros-developing-harley-quinn-film-with-margot-Robbie).

All the more reason for Suicide Squad to exceed expectations and not suck horribly. And for Harley Quinn to not have been reduced to a two dimensional bit of eye candy.......

The augurs are wary.

If Suicide Squad turns out to be a case of 'bad trailers, good film', things look bright. If not, the solo movie would have to be a Deadpoolesque resurrection of the character....

[Mr Mystery]

Agent Carter Netflix petition (https://www.change.org/p/netflix-save-agent-carter-bring-her-to-netflix?recruiter=77266500&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=des-lg-no_src-no_msg)

Because it's guaranteed not to work if we don't ask.

[eldargal]

Ms. Marvel would be great. As for She-Hulk, her own series would be cool, but I'd vote for A-Force getting a series. She-Hulk, Dazzler, Captain Marvel, Medusa, Nico and Singularity... all ladies, all kickass, and it's fun reading their interactions. Would make a cool series (and movie).

An A-Force show would be amazing, but I'd like to see them do the same thing they are doing with Defenders. Have a She-Hulk show and pair her with Dazzler maybe, then have a show about Medusa and Nico with a magic theme to it, then after one or two seasons of that have A-Force debut with all of them and introduce Singularity.

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WB/DC will be making a Harley Quinn movie (http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/40714/warner-bros-developing-harley-quinn-film-with-margot-Robbie).

All the more reason for Suicide Squad to exceed expectations and not suck horribly. And for Harley Quinn to not have been reduced to a two dimensional bit of eye candy.......

The augurs are wary.

If Suicide Squad turns out to be a case of 'bad trailers, good film', things look bright. If not, the solo movie would have to be a Deadpoolesque resurrection of the character....

It sounds like its going to be a Birds of Prey type thing with a heap of the female villains and heroes in. I'm hoping the theory that Leto and the kind of meh advertising for Suicide Squad is all an elaborate bluff, there was a rumour that Joker isn't actually in it much at all so fingers crossed HQ beats him to death. BvS sounds like it was meh, but most people ae blaming Snyder for it and he isn't directing Suicide Squad so...

[Erik Setzer]

An A-Force show would be amazing, but I'd like to see them do the same thing they are doing with Defenders. Have a She-Hulk show and pair her with Dazzler maybe, then have a show about Medusa and Nico with a magic theme to it, then after one or two seasons of that have A-Force debut with all of them and introduce Singularity.

Well, if they give Medusa her own show, my preference would be for one focused on her role as the leader of the Inhumans. Even with Black Bolt (IIRC?) back around, she's the unquestioned queen and ruler. You could combine a superhero show and a show about a strong female leader. Would have to be a bit different story from the comic, but they're already doing that with the MCU. (The only issue would be introducing Singularity, who first showed up during the recent Secret Wars, but they could still run with the same manner of introduction and change the story to fit.)

[eldargal]

Marvel were going to do an Inhumans show as a spin off from Agents of SHIELD but they cancelled that (thank GOD, AoS has completely screwed up Inhumans), so its ripe for Netflix to take over and do it properly ot at least much better. They would certainly do Medusa better than AoS, who would kill her off and replace her with some bland, boring arse white pretty boy POS and proceed to kill off every female Inhuman despite them all being much more interesting then the guys because why the **** not.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm well behind on Agents of SHIELD, but that sounds... dreadful. I know the comics version isn't much like the show other than having the same core characters (including the traitor), so reading that doesn't really help me know what the show is doing.

[eldargal]

It's a mess. Like the show basically revolves around Daisy/Skye now which is good, she has become a fantastic character and Chloe Bennett can really act, but the story itself is just rubbish and it is continually being pushed along by the sacrifice of interesting female characters while boring, bland white guys get pushed to prominence they do not deserve. At least three of their most promising female characters have been killed by Grant Ward for example, its ridiculous. they killed of fthe previous amazing leader of the Inhumans and replaced him with a white prettyboy prat and then they killed off the most interesting and only surviving female Inhuman Alisha for no ****ing reason. Oh and then they put the amazing female government anti-hero type character into a relationship with Caulson and then killed her off to motivate him.

[Erik Setzer]

Yuck...

On the relationship front... Has the show ever mentioned his ex, Lola (who the car is apparently named after)? In the comic, he "hooks up with" her for an evening just to try to get something from her home (which she knew about, but still apparently decided a romp in the sheets would be fun?), and it turned into a kind of weird thing, where she's... well, she's working for the government trying to procure anti-hero information he has. Apparently the info was stored on a drive, which was stolen, then re-stolen... and then he got kidnapped by Grant (working for Hydra and using stolen info on how to build Iron Man suits), who seemed to have Lola on hand to get the info out of him (because she's a psychic).

Probably not as bad as killing off his girlfriend just to give him something to be upset about, but man, that is one mess of a story. I mean, as a story, it's not terrible, other than the whole bit where Grant and company somehow got the means to build dozens of Iron Man suits, including a Hulkbuster. It's just kind of convoluted, and wasn't helped by the Pleasant Hill bit in the middle, which basically showed why SHIELD and the government generally shouldn't be trusted with anti-hero stuff (or, generally, at all... especially not Maria Hill).

Speaking of Hill... She is such a different character in the comics than in the movies. I have a hard time imagining them ever converting her from how she's appeared to date, into the woman who acts like she runs everything and SHIELD's her personal sledgehammer to beat people/situations into shape. Even at her most "in command" moments on the screen, she seems extremely quiet next to the comic portrayal. I think having that Maria Hill on-screen would be awesome. And since Fury's kind of out of the way, it'd be a good time to set up Hill as being in charge of SHIELD's rebuilding (during which time she can mold it into the tool it is in the comics). Sure, she's not exactly a likable character, but she's interesting.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yeah I gotta agree, Iv watched up to current epispde and found the story to be pretty sh1tty for the most part. The "Hive" plot is massively uninspired and boring. Agent Carter and the rest are all miles better in every single way I think.

Oh, and still hoping Shuma Gorath turns up and eats everyone.

[Mr Mystery]

So, WB/DC are finally appointing a Feige like overseer to their movies. A smart move I feel, but with two films released, two near release and shooting beginning on Justice League, it could be too late.

And discussing this on Den of Geek, I had a realisation as to why the dark and gritty Batman worked so much better than dark and gritty Superman. The simple answer is - transitional movies.

Consider this.

Until 1989, Batman for me, and no doubt hundreds of thousands, was Adam West. That's the Batman we grew up with. It was camp. Ridiculously so, and so were it's villains. But then came Tim Burtons Batman, and with it, Jack Nicholson's Joker. And it was really quite a different beast - but not to the point of being unrecognisable. The camp had been toned down, but elements still remained. Nicholson's Joker in particular kept much of 'larking about' silliness of Cesar Romero's, but had definite undertones showing he's not actually fun at all - just massively insane.

So when the Nolanverse came, and the camp was excised entirely, we the general public were more prepared for it. I know it's not without its issues as a series, but it all worked well enough, and that's partly thanks to Burtonverse paving the way with a darker palette and less OTT nonsense (I'll leave Schumacher at the door....)

Then consider Superman. That character too had it's defining Supes. Christopher Reeves. Ask anyone, pre-Superman Returns, and even after Superman Returns who Superman was, and they'd point you to Christopher Reeves. He did make us believe a man could fly. He portrayed the core of Supes - truth, justice and the American Way. He was that big boy scout. Irredeemably a goodie-two-shoes.

Then they more-or-less jumped straight to....Man of Steel. WTF? That's not Superman. Look, he's all mopey and dopey. What is this? Why hasn't he just flown round the world really fast repeatedly to turn back time to save everyone? DUDE DID HE JUST KILL ZOD?

There's no transitional take to ease the general public in. Sure, you and I as comic book readers either know, or at least dimly aware, that the comics moved on considerably between Superman and Man of Steel....but you don't get Billion Dollar Takes just off our backs.

[Erik Setzer]

To be fair, a lot of people considered the "flying real fast to spin the Earth backward to reverse time" as incredibly mind-numbingly stupid... and it was. You can accept a pretty much god-on-earth being without having to try to suspend your knowledge of how things work so much that you believe in something even a child would know is ludicrous.

Other than that, yeah, not bad.

But didn't Superman also get plastered in one of the older movies? At least we haven't seen that yet in the new ones. Then again, they only gave him two movies before killing him.

[Mr Mystery]

That was his evil twin in the vastly, near criminally, underrated Superman III.

I do consider the reverseytime thing to be very daft - but hey, I was a kid so it will always get a pass :p

Without some kind of transitional character, the new Supes is just too leftfield for many.

[Mr Mystery]

Carrie-Anne Moss signed up for Iron Fist (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/iron-fist/39110/iron-fist-first-images-of-finn-jones-on-set)

Reprising her role from Jessica Jones and Daredevil Season 2.

Also, anyone know when Jessica Jones season 2 is due?

[Erik Setzer]

Marvel done jumped the shark... SPOILERS for Captain America: Steve Rogers below.

Apparently, they're now claiming Steve Rogers was recruited by HYDRA as a snot-nosed little nothing in the 1920s along with his mother, and they've had him working super-deep-cover this whole time. Because somehow they knew that having him act super-patriotic would lead to him eventually getting selected to be a super-soldier wearing the symbols of America and even named for the country, and constantly stopping HYDRA plots somehow helps them with their plans, in a long game that is going to pay off... some day? But Captain America, this symbolic character, has been a lie for 75 years. Yep. Makes perfect sense.

[Gotthammer]

Think this sums it up nicely:


Fans: give Steve a boyfriend

Marvel: we can't do that because it would totally go against 75 years of captain America lore and ruin the character but guess what WE DID in captain America: Steve Rogers #1! :D

Also that his creators (Joe Simon and Jack Kirby) were Jewish people who were harassed over Captain America being outspokenly anit-**** when it wasn't the in thing in the US and because of anti-semitism, and then at the end of Jewish American Heritage Month, to celebrate 75 years of their creation, Marvel makes Cap a literal ****.

**** Marvel.

[Kirsten]

wait what? how?

[eldargal]

That's what everyone is asking lol. This coming after the MCU has turned Scarlet Witch from Jewish Romani into a Christian played by a white actress.

[Erik Setzer]

Well, it's kind of weird to figure out. Because the flashbacks that I suppose are meant to set up the story actually portray events in America, so clearly Hydra wasn't just recruiting ****s, and wasn't just packed with ****s, in this new background story for Hydra.

Also, he's still making out with Sharon Carter in the comics. So in both the comics and movies, he's got a woman he's in love with. And the "Make Steve Gay" thing is, well, stupid. I doubt the outcry is even from any gay people, many of whom already have noted it's a stupid idea that people are just throwing out there because... I don't know, I guess they want to pretend to be "progressive" by trying to have a guy be so hardcore into hiding his sexuality that he went the opposite route for 75 years? And why do that? Oh, the Hydra thing you can claim "It's deep cover," but with being gay, it'd mean he remained ashamed of who he was for nearly eight decades, while trying to talk about a more unified America and being proud of who you are and all that. Just... no. It's unnecessary. It's the Internet being the Internet again. We have LGBT characters, if people really cared they should be asking for those people to get more "air time" (or "page time?").

Anyway, back to the actual comic... It's terrible. I finally got a chance to read it this morning. It's bad. Really bad. Maria Hill doesn't sound like herself at all, she sounds like some kid who got put in charge, rather than the no-nonsense woman with a stick up her rear at all times (no, Gamora, I have no idea how it got there). That attitude is a defining part of her character, and having her quip that a train exploding "looks cool on YouTube" or how a collage of news reports isn't too bad because it'll be replaced by NCIS at 9:00? It just feels so terribly out-of-place.

Then there's Red Skull giving Donald Trump speech (not even kidding, it sounds like they copied a speech from Trump), which somehow convinces people across the world to become suicide bombers and murder people and destroy things to fix society? It's like the author wanted to take a shot at Trump (fair enough, just do it in an appropriate medium) and used the comic to do so. But when the bad guy is saying stuff like, "Refugees are coming across borders and they're not being protected as is the nations' sovereign duty, and they're taking your women, jobs, and lives, and trying to take your way of life," stuff like that... How does that lead to trying to use a train to blow up train tracks used for commuter rail? Or museums, or government buildings?

And then Cap shows remorse and has an internal monologue about his comrade being a hero and not deserving to die as he shoves him out of a plane to his death. So, what, Cap's got these morals, but still works with a group without them?

Add in Baron Zemo acting like a dumbed-down Cobra Commander for extra effect. His attempts to start his own Hydra are played up as a comedy bit.

I doubt the story's going to stick. Or the author.

- - - Updated - - -


That's what everyone is asking lol. This coming after the MCU has turned Scarlet Witch from Jewish Romani into a Christian played by a white actress.

I need to get caught up on her personal comic, but there's a scene in New Avengers where Wiccan and Hulkling visit her, and even she notes how odd it is that he's using that name without actually being Wiccan, but offers to teach him about Wicca. It's like whoever created the character thought "Wiccan means male Witch, right?"

(Oh, hey, speaking of gay characters, that's a gay couple right there. One of whom is kind of King of Space, though he doesn't want to be. Which seems to be a running story with kings in Marvel.)

[Morgrim]

Making Steve Rogers gay doesn't make sense, I agree. Making him bi definitely does. If you look at a lot of his interactions with Tony Stark over the years it looks a LOT like flirting (and they even married in the alternate universe where Tony was female!). The Captain America movies so far read in many places like a love story between Steve and Bucky and Steve and Sam. If Steve came out as bi, there would probably be quite a few characters who would not be shocked and would more likely make snarky remarks about how long it took him to realise/admit it.

[Erik Setzer]

Bi would at least work. Not sure if they'll ever do it. But that's okay. They have characters who are gay, lesbian, bi, magically trans (still counts)... Just give them more time in the sun. Iceman, Wiccan/Demiurge and Hulkling, Angela and Sera, Miss America... Probably forgetting some.

With Steve, it's also rough to think of him hiding something like that, because if he does that while talking up "be who you are and be proud of it" and "everyone should be free to be themselves" and all these nice platitudes, but he's hiding part of him because he's either ashamed or afraid, that's a horrible look. Like, "See, even Captain America doesn't want people to know, so keeping it in the closet is cool." Just seems like an unhealthy message to send. They're already having to deal with that with Iceman's story.

In other news... I thought "Rebirth" would be a good opportunity to get (back) into DC comics. Nope. It's not so much a new start. Right off the bat it says "This comes after Justice League #50 and Superman #52, read those first." Okay, fine, I'll go back and do that. Oh, they're in the middle of two different storylines, both seem pretty significant, and both leave me even more confused. (JL features the League pretty much as gods - and when did Lex Luthor join them?!? - against Darkseid, and Darkseid's daughter, with some women who might have been Lois Lane showing up with a child who drained power from people with a reference to his father being a Luthor or something, though the child got used to bring Darkseid back after he was killed, and... Okay, I'll stop there. I think you get the point.) It's a confusing mess. I was excited to see the idea of the Watchmen being acknowledged finally, but trying to get caught up on multiple stories that make the brain want to explode doesn't seem feasible. Probably will save me money in the long run, I suppose.

[Gotthammer]

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magically trans (still counts)...

ehhhh... not really sure about that. Like it's not bad, but it's not good you know?

[Erik Setzer]

ehhhh... not really sure about that. Like it's not bad, but it's not good you know?

I think it counts. If people had the ability to use a magical device or spell to alter their bodies completely to what they'd prefer, rather than relying on surgery and/or medication to get as close as possible, I think they'd go for it. It's just a different means to the same end.

On the Chris Evans/Captain America thing... no, he doesn't seem amused with it. Don't blame him, either. It still makes no sense.

Evans-related... I watched Scott Pilgrim vs. the World [again] Sunday night, and it's weird to see him as such a douchebro in that movie. I kept trying to think of the same guy as Lucas Lee and Steve Rogers, and the two are just so far apart.

[Mr Mystery]

Probs not new to followers of the show, but seems no more Suicide Squad in Arrow.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

How is there not a Ms Marvel movie yet? I mean seriously.

[Erik Setzer]

How is there not a Ms Marvel movie yet? I mean seriously.

I would still love it as a TV show, with half the time given to her saving New Jersey and half the time dealing with family, friends, and school. It'd make a fun ongoing story, and very family-friendly. But if all we can get is a movie, I'd take that over nothing.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

http://www.blastr.com/2016-5-31/fx-picks-x-men-tv-show-legion-series-and-releases-first-official-image

This is interesting. I'm happy to finally see a mentally ill super hero related thing too. I hope they treat the issue of schizophrenia seriously and don't demonise it like it so often is portrayed in media.

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm. An X-Men spinoff series for FX? Starting to think I understand why Marvel seems to be getting closer to shutting the door on mutantkind. At this point, they're all sterile and being killed by the Terrigen mists, but there's a hint of an upcoming "Death of X" event which might be them finally just killing off mutantkind, at least in the short run, to try to cut off Fox's ability to make money off of the stories. They already broke up the Fantastic Four (with Reed and Sue outside the universes chilling with Owen Reese and their kids).

And I'm not sure the super hero is actually mentally ill. Apparently he was diagnosed as mentally ill because of hearing voices and seeing people, but those are real voices and people, which means he's not mentally ill but the doctors didn't know what to think of someone saying they were experiencing the "impossible." At least, that's how the article makes it sound.

[eldargal]

That doesn't really work though, because Fox own the rights so they can keep producing X-Men stuff all they want, Marvel killing all the mutants off won't change that.

Also, not going to put spoilers yet but really, really, really unimpressed with Marvel's Civil War II #1

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

oh :/

[Erik Setzer]

That doesn't really work though, because Fox own the rights so they can keep producing X-Men stuff all they want, Marvel killing all the mutants off won't change that.

Also, not going to put spoilers yet but really, really, really unimpressed with Marvel's Civil War II #1

Sure, and ditching the FF won't stop more awful FF movies, but it makes the property less desirable... in theory.

The CW2 stuff so far has been "Oh? That's it?" It's extra annoying that they're slapping "Road to Civil War II" on seemingly random comics. What's the "Road to CW2" in Ms. Marvel? The bit where Carol and Tony face off over Kamala (one being her idol, the other her "boss")? The science fair face off where her New Jersey team faces Miles' New York team? What about in Invincible Iron Man? Is the story of his armor being stolen going to play into CW2 somehow?

[Erik Setzer]

Ah... Just read a spoilery review of CW2 #1 (I'll read the comic tonight, but I'm okay with "spoilers" sometimes)... Yeah, okay, so I guess part of the "Road to CW2" might have actually mattered, but geez, that still sounds pretty lame.

[Mr Mystery]

There's a second Civil War?

Hmm. Sceptical about that.

[Erik Setzer]

There's a second Civil War?

Hmm. Sceptical about that.

Weeeellllll....

You have Marvel Civil War, from the mid-2000s. Then you have the recent movie Captain America: Civil War, different (but similar) story. Then you have the comic Marvel Avengers Assemble, which has its own Civil War going on right now (Cap vs Iron Man, but different reasons). And they just started Marvel Civil War II.

So it's more like the fourth Civil War right now.

One of the things I'm not liking is that they seem to be trying to set up why various heroes don't like each other in the story, and it's coming off forced at times. Like in Amazing Spider-Man, Spidey and Iron Man are trying to kick each other's bums because Tony suggested that Peter Parker isn't as good as he is at technology and he could improve Spider-Man's web-shooters. (And somewhere along the line, Tony forgot Parker was Spider-Man. Weird enough everyone else did, but Tony?) And to top it off, there's some dialogue from onlookers that goes something like, "Why are they fighting?" "It's what heroes do these days." Ah, yes, way to quip at the multiple Civil Wars and Batman v Superman.

Finally read the Civil War II issue 1... Spoilery stuff!

The off-screen battle part of it sucks, especially with them killing off one character. Likely not another, because she's still in an ongoing comic. And the ongoing series not meshing with this big central story just feels weird. Rhodey dying surprised me more with his even being alive to die here, because in Invincible Iron-Man, someone steals the War Machine armor and Iron Man armor, and promptly blows it up with Rony and Rhodey in the building, which should have killed them. It's even more confusing because it means the War Machine armor was destroyed, so Rhodey wouldn't still be wearing an older suit of armor. It's like they aren't even trying to connect the events of series... made even more obvious with the various X-Men series going through Apocalypse Wars right now but still showing up for this.

Ulysses feels utterly boring. I agree with the review that called him a walking, talking Macguffin. He exists just to have something to fight over. He doesn't feel like a person at all.

And how the heck do you lock up Thanos after he kicked everyone's butt that hard? Put his hand through Rhodey, beat She-Hulk near to death, trashed Black Panther's armor, Miss America looked like an abused homeless child (if you've seen her normal outfit, you'd know how rough that looks), and even Carol was beaten so hard she had an eye covered up, not to mention Maria Hill also looking worse for wear. So how did they take Thanos down? They're all beaten out of fighting shape and trashed, and Thanos didn't seem like he would have just worn himself out beating the snot out of them. Though I guess, to be fair, he had just stepped back into the universe from being literally outside of eternity (shown in Ultimates).

So far it feels very sloppy. And I'm still cringing at She-Hulk's scene. Really? She's going to tell Carol to "fight for the future" and then flatline? Cliched as heck *and* with the added bonus of making no sense.

[eldargal]

That's pretty much how I feel about it yup. I'm withholding judgement until it ends, because maybe it is actually going somewhere with looking really cliched and whatnot but if the casualty and possible casualty are actually casualties by the end I will be very, very angry. Also kind of bad timing for Marvel because they are basicallly pissing everyone off, while DC Rebirth is being hailed as pretty damned amazing and giving people what they've been wanting from DC for years.

[Erik Setzer]

DC Rebirth has me intrigued, just because Doctor Manhattan's pulling strings. But it's just a sign of how strong Marvel is that last week everyone was talking about Steve Rogers supposedly being a Hydra agent and I saw barely a mention of Batman finding the Comedian's button in his cave, or the scenes in Rebirth #1 that made it clear everyone's favorite smurf god was doing something potentially shady.

[eldargal]

Yup, but anecdotal evidence has it outselling the stunt-related Captain America #1 and its been getting glowing reviews. So Marvel might dominate the media right now but I think as things settle down and if DC managed to keep delivering good comics post-ebirth then they could come out on top. It sounds like they have finally figured out what they did wrong with New 52 and working on remedying it.

[Erik Setzer]

I just hope Rebirth actually starts the series off in a way you can pick them up without having read the last 4-5 years' worth of stories. Rebirth #1 itself referred to two other issues that, upon reading them, left me even more confused. Like what's the deal with everyone becoming gods (for a while anyway)? Where did this alternate Clark Kent, Lois Lane, and their kid come from? (And where's the Lois that belonged to the "core" world?) Why did Batman have a "Mobius chair?" What is Lex doing with a Superman-inspired set of armor?

But it's possible for them to make it work. First new issues come out this week, I'll have to check them out.

[Mr Mystery]

Guardians of Galaxy Vol. 2 may have a female villian (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Ayesha_(Earth-616))

Ayesha, if that means owt to anyone?

[Mr Mystery]

And now, for some words from Gail Simone.

18692

[Kirsten]

Gail is awesome, so much of my day is spent reading her tweets. I am amazed she has time for any work :p

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

ended up buying this today on a whim,
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[Asymmetrical Xeno]

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so much awesome in one picture. She kinda looks like shes giving Shuma the "Tentacles off! He's mine, *****!" look. Or maybe Shuma just wants a slice of the pizza and it's all just a silly misunderstanding between the three of them.

[Gotthammer]

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[eldargal]

Wonder Woman is savage, but cannot lie hehe.

[Mr Mystery]

Captain Marvel has narrowed down it's directors to one of two ladies.

Me, I favour her wot done Babadook. Because Babdook is a fantastic horror film based around mental ill health.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

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[Gotthammer]

The Civil War Inside Marvel Studios


Iron Man 2 effectively ruined Jon Favreau's relationship with Marvel because they made him gear the plot towards selling the first Avengers movie. It's the same thing that made Joss Whedon walk away after Avengers 2 when he was made to shove tie-ins to 'Thor: Ragnarok' in Age of Ultron. Whedon's made a lot of his own mistakes, especially in Age of Ultron, but that's another story.
Edgar Wright publicly admitted his disillusionment with Marvel after spending 8 years in the development of Ant-Man only to have to endure several rewrites forced on him, eventually resulting in him walking away from the entire project.
More recently there's Ava DuVerney's decision to pass on directing Black Panther. DuVerney said quite plainly she would not have been able to "make it her own", and as a Black Woman, you can see why to make a film about a Black protagonist whilst at the mercy of a committee of primarily older, white men would be uncomfortable for her.

...


While [Agents of SHiELD] still makes mistakes, it's all relative, and it's perhaps gotten it about as right as Marvel has got it thus far (though, in context, I'll admit that's not saying much). Right now, the consensus from its lead, Chloe Bennet, is that Marvel "doesn't care".

...

but a romantic, gay relationship between Peggy and her friend Angie was something Marvel recoiled from; Angie was removed, new male love interests were introduced, the plot suffered, fan interest plummeted, and the show went under.

...

Marvel actually has a bad history with actors of color in general; Idris Elba (The Gatekeeper) was ultimately taken for granted and later described working for Marvel as 'torture'. Terrence Howard (The original Rhodey) had 7 million cut from his pay for Iron Man so Marvel could give more to RDJ, which is why he never returned for the sequel.



And if you have any doubts by this point it's actually the Big Boys at Marvel who are unlikely to support diversity just know that their CEO recently gave 1 Million to Trump's campaign for the White House. Yeah... that's where our movie ticket money went.



What happened with Agent Carter was the most blatant case of Gay Panic I have ever seen

Marvel realised that the viewers (And the actors for that matter) were shipping Angie and Peggy together and freaked the **** out, removed Angie from the show and immediately tried to shove some boring *** male love interests for Peggy down our throat and then brought Angie back for a dream sequence all about Peggy choosing which man she wants to be with as if to scream at the top of their voices ‘LOOK HOW NOT GAY THESE WOMEN ARE LOOK HOW STRAIGHT THIS IS’

And of course the show wound up cancelled come season two because amazingly, audiences didn’t want forced and uninteresting heteronormativity nor did they want to see screen time wasted on Peggy falling in love with some dull *** guy whose character was boring as paste

Let’s also not forget that the Agents of SHIELD TV show had absolutely NO references to Victoria Hand or Isabelle being lesbians on the show and then promptly killed both of them off and to date STILL hasn’t had ANY representation of lesbian characters or couples on the show and remains entirely heteronormative and cisnormative

Guardians of the Galaxy removed the lesbian couple from the team and the director, when asked about it by fans, admitted that he wanted to include them in the film and it was Marvel who said no to this idea
Over a dozen movies, four TV shows and numerous shorts and the only representation Marvel has given queer women in live action is three lesbian supporting characters in one of their Netflix shows that is safely tucked away and not really connected to the large MCU

[eldargal]

^Fortunately the CEO referenced, Perlmutter, was effectively removed from having any control over the MCU by Disney late last year and he is widely credited for being the driving force behind NO GAYS, NO WIMMINS, so hopefully things might be changing going forward.

[eldargal]

Also, meanwhile, in Marvel comics:
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Transgender lesbian angel and cisgender lesbian angel canonically in a happy relationship

[Kirsten]

wow

[Mr Mystery]

Huzzah!

Pretty sure I've commented this before, but given how avant garde and progressive Marvel Comics has historically been, that the movie's haven't followed up is particularly sad.

[Erik Setzer]

I'm for *more* diversity, so I'm not saying this as a "defense," but it's probably worth noting Angela got dropped as a series due to lagging sales (granted, it's hard to purchase when it's not on the shelves of any of your local stores). And as much turmoil as there might be behind the scenes, the Marvel movies are making a load of money. So perhaps they know some of what they're doing... but who knows?

I don't think the majority of the Agent Carter audience hated "forced heteronormativity." Perhaps the majority of the LGBT audience, but that's assigning one group's issues with a show to everyone. The romance was probably a harming factor, but not because of "forced heteronormativity." Just because a relationship of any kind likely would have felt forced *and* ruined the independent nature of the character (because that's what relationships in shows tend to do, sadly, they just devolve into being an easy way to introduce cliched drama and give a character an artificial weakness).

Also... if they have to have a black person direct the Black Panther movie, does that mean they have to have white directors for anything with majority white cast or protagonist? So, if a good black director came along, you couldn't have them do it, because it's a story about a white person, right? No, that's stupid. Ditto the other way around. Jeez. I don't care the skin color of the person directing my movies, or their gender. Do they know how to capture a good story on screen? If so, give them the job. I mean, FFS, if the argument is that they would have done a better job because their skin color is the same, wouldn't that also apply to gender, so she shouldn't have the job anyway because she's not a guy? Yeah, see, that's a ridiculous concept.

I hope they get someone good to do the Black Panther movie. Loved the character in the movie, and I'm enjoying the comic right now. (Speaking of... I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure there's a lesbian couple in the comic at the moment, too. Not sure if protagonists or antagonists, I think somewhere in between. Vigilantes, pretty much.) And Wakanda is just cool, with its blend of traditional dress and beliefs, and highly advanced technology.

Hopefully Carter will come back without any kind of forced relationship (audiences can ship whoever they want, because they will either way), and Angela will eventually find its way back as a series, and Black Panther the movie will kick ***, and Bobby Drake will be portrayed on-screen as he is in the comics (whenever he shows up again... haven't seen the latest X-Men movie, so I'm not sure he's in that or not).

Oh yeah... on the topic of Agent Carter, the actress apparently was pretty unhappy with the Steve-Sharon romance (such that it was) in Civil War, basically saying Peggy would be pissed that Sharon was hooking up with her guy and all. Seemed a bit peculiar. (I think she even suggested it was kind of like incest?) Especially as the Steve-Sharon pairing was around in the comics during the comic Civil War, ten years ago, so it's not like the movie writers just came up with the idea out of nowhere.

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And at least Civil War the movie didn't KILL Rhodey. [intense glaring at Civil War II]

[Charistoph]

Another thing to consider with the Agent Carter series. This is based in the 40s and 50s. Women were just starting to break barriers. The thought of "colored" people doing the same was still "heretical" to the time as well. As for LGBT? No matter how bad any of them think today is (and it isn't really that bad, relatively speaking), people were lynched for being seen doing that type of behavior (unless you were powerful and in "the club").

It would be like doing a movie set in the South during the American Civil War and not having slaves on a plantation. It sucked and it was bad, but trying to rewrite history doesn't make you better. Trying to prevent it from happening again is what makes you better.


And at least Civil War the movie didn't KILL Rhodey. [intense glaring at Civil War II]

True. But also in consideration he was quite Cyborg by the Secret Invasion, so having body damage like that and relying on Starktech to continue is rather consistent.

[Erik Setzer]

True. But also in consideration he was quite Cyborg by the Secret Invasion, so having body damage like that and relying on Starktech to continue is rather consistent.

Sure, but I was more griping about how Civil War II starts off with Thanos putting his fist *through* Rhodey in an off-screen fight. The dude somehow survives getting his armor taken from him and blown up (with Tony's armor), only to die almost immediately?

Granted, he's still featuring in that Invincible Iron Man story arc, which is part of the "Road to Civil War II"... which means it might be happening before a comic it's running alongside? (But then, since his armor was lost there, it makes it harder to explain his line in CW2 to Tony about having castoff armor, since he'd have to have a newer set.)

They might not be as concerned with continuity as I am.:o

[Gotthammer]

Another thing to consider with the Agent Carter series. This is based in the 40s and 50s. Women were just starting to break barriers. The thought of "colored" people doing the same was still "heretical" to the time as well. As for LGBT? No matter how bad any of them think today is (and it isn't really that bad, relatively speaking), people were lynched for being seen doing that type of behavior (unless you were powerful and in "the club").

That doesn't mean they didn't exist?

Also definitely looking into the camera like I'm on the office at "No matter how bad any of them think today is (and it isn't really that bad, relatively speaking)"

[eldargal]

If Angela was dropped due to lagging sales, why are Drax and several other male lead titles which sold consistently worse than Angela still being continued? There is also the fact they spectacularly failed to market it, or make a fuss about it at all despite it being one of the most progressive and well written comics they had.

also in 1953 40% of the CIA were women, and many US police departments had similar ratios of women, and the military (I don't know about intelligence services) at that time was a relative haven for LGBT people (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/5/25/1094817/-Remembering-LGBT-History-How-World-War-II-Changed-Gay-and-Lesbian-Life-in-America).

[Erik Setzer]

If Angela was dropped due to lagging sales, why are Drax and several other male lead titles which sold consistently worse than Angela still being continued? There is also the fact they spectacularly failed to market it, or make a fuss about it at all despite it being one of the most progressive and well written comics they had.

I'd expect Drax to get the axe eventually. I think they figured it might have a shot since he's in the Guardians of the Galaxy movie, but I don't think that's enough to carry it.

It *is* unfortunately possible that Angela got killed off because, if they continue, people might ask when we'll get to see Thor's sister show up in a Thor movie. Personally, I'd prefer her own movie (actually, I'm still wishing for a series involving her and Sera trying to make a "normal" life as a couple in New York, trying to teach Leah about life and all, and dealing with the craziness that follows an Asgardian-turned-angel and an angel who rejected her society hardcore). But heck, just put her in a Thor movie. Give us Heven and Hel in those movies. If they're so worried about her relationship, hold that for her own movie.

As for failing to market it... Honestly, I wouldn't know a lot of their series exist without checking a website that lists weekly releases. And they don't help things by charging as much for digital issues as physical issues. Maybe if they only charged $2 for a digital issue, people would buy more that way, and that'd help sell some series that aren't showing up in physical stores.

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also in 1953 40% of the CIA were women, and many US police departments had similar ratios of women, and the military (I don't know about intelligence services) at that time was a relative haven for LGBT people (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/5/25/1094817/-Remembering-LGBT-History-How-World-War-II-Changed-Gay-and-Lesbian-Life-in-America).

That reminded me of a scene from London Spy (d'oh, still need to finish it... I'm bad about miniseries)... The old guy who's friends with the main character talks about his time in England's spy agency, during the 60s IIRC, and basically said they were doing witch hunts to purge the ranks of anyone who was gay. It was a pretty grim description.

Also... The CIA is an intelligence service, so was that meant to be a separate thought forming with "and the military..."?

[eldargal]

Yes, I was addressing each entity separately to illlutrate that diversity was not as bad in some ways as frequently assumed across these institutions.

[Erik Setzer]

Yes, I was addressing each entity separately to illlutrate that diversity was not as bad in some ways as frequently assumed across these institutions.

Coolio, just wanted to make sure I was reading that right.

[Charistoph]

That doesn't mean they didn't exist?

Not saying they didn't. Bible is sufficient proof of that. But shoving it in to people's faces? No. It would have been kept on the extreme down low.


Also definitely looking into the camera like I'm on the office at "No matter how bad any of them think today is (and it isn't really that bad, relatively speaking)"

And thank you for not paying attention to the rest of the sentence. How many public lynchings or beatings outside of predominately Muslim areas have you read about recently? Heck, if a man was known as gay in the early 80s, not only was his job in danger, he could be beaten just for being on the street (not legally, but some police would not have been quick to follow up on it).

Compare that to the gay pride parades we have today, it isn't that bad. Could it be better? Probably. But when statements are made in comparison, it is wise to remember where that comparison is coming from.

[Gotthammer]

Not saying they didn't. Bible is sufficient proof of that. But shoving it in to people's faces? No. It would have been kept on the extreme down low

That still doesn't mean they couldn't have included it. Like Carol is a movie about two women falling in love set in the 50's based on a book written at the time so it's not like they couldn't have done it. And the advantage of modern cinema techniques is that one can show scenes that take place in public and in the privacy of one's home! So romantic scenes need not be "shoved in people's faces". In fact I believe most aren't, even when it's the straights.



How many public lynchings or beatings outside of predominately Muslim areas have you read about recently?

Trans woman bashed at Town Hall Hotel in Newtown (http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/man-charged-over-assault-of-transgender-woman-at-town-hall-hotel-in-newtown-20150609-ghkafz.html).


Musician Stephanie McCarthy, 43, told police she was preparing to perform with her band at the hotel about 11.30pm on Friday when a group of men began menacing her.

"There was four or five of them following me around, yelling 'f*ggot' at me," she told Fairfax Media. "One of them kept deliberately bumping into me. I had my ponytail pulled a couple of times."

About an hour later the situation turned violent, and Ms McCarthy claims she was held down and repeatedly punched in the face.


Queer man bashed in Newtown (http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/thousands-will-rally-keep-newtown-weird-safe-queer-man-bashed/)


The suburb of Newtown in Sydney’s inner-west has long prided itself on being a bastion of alternative culture, where those who identify as being a little bit quirky or different could walk through the streets and feel safe, at home, among friends.

But there’s been a palpable change in the air over the past year or so. Sure, walk down King Street and you’ll still see its idiosyncratic charms on full display, but there’s also a feeling of nervous tension that never used to be there.

That’s because of a spike in violent assaults, like the one that just happened to Isaac Keatinge – a 25-year-old who identifies as queer – who was allegedly beaten bloody by a group of men after going out wearing makeup and a dress.

“It’s not the first time, just the worst time. I’ve been surrounded and pushed by groups of straight men before, so I didn’t expect it to escalate so quickly,’ Keatinge said. “My brother and father warned me that wearing dresses and makeup would ‘get me bashed’, I just didn’t think it would happen in Newtown.”

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Hi. Everyone, it's Pearl :

I am an outreach social worker for Trans Latina network and an Asian transgender individual. Today is 4.28.16 Thursday. I work in big event for the center - the 8th annual immigration fare & culture event. Between 4:30-4:45 pm. I was on 6 train from Bronx to the LGBT center to work , when I change 6 train to 4 express train in 125 st station an unknown woman sitting across me starter to verbally abuse me. Make lot of **** comments about how much she hate Trans people and want me to suck her dick. She also made racist comments. I ignored her and kept reading my book.

When the train got to 86 st she start getting so loud and crazy yelling at me so I started to record her on my phone can- she start getting even louder and start assault me and hit me. As you can see it's definitely a hate crime. She attacked me inside the train . When I retreated she threw all my stuff on the floor and chased me around the train and say she is going to find a stick to hit me.

It was a crowded train and everyone heard it but no one helped me. Guys acting like nothing happened. For 5 min.

Then when the train stop on 42 st. She got out of train but keep yelling at me, I recorded 4 videos around 3.5 min. Thanks to an older guy who helped me pick my stuff up and put it back my bag, and said sorry to me👍. So now you can understand what's happening in my everyday life. That happens all the time. But it's my first time recording it. 😅

....Well she has a lot to learn . She need education to how to respect, learn not to be discriminatory against the Trans Community . I am so sad for her children. Have that kind of mother to teach them to grow up to be bigoted *******s


Pearl said she experiences harassment in public so frequently that at first she didn't find the assault out of the ordinary (http://mic.com/articles/142537/trans-woman-attacked-on-nyc-train-for-riding-while-trans). "It happens all the time basically," Pearl said. "I just walk away mostly, or I go to other room or other subway." This is the first time Pearl has recorded an incident of harassment.

But it wasn't until after Pearl posted the video on Facebook and received an outpouring of support that she realized how terrible the ordeal had been.

"I didn't know that it was that serious until people told me, because I've gotten used to it," Pearl said. "I thought, 'Oh, it was just another woman.' I didn't know until people told me that it was not right, that it was assault because it's happened for so long."

Besides attacking Pearl for her gender identity, the woman in the video hurled ethnic slurs at Pearl, who is Taiwanese.

"Whoever that mother****er is in Taiwan or Tokyo, **** y'alls emperor," the woman says.


Man who mutilated woman’s genitals and murdered her for being gay (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/28/woman-had-her-genitals-mutilated-by-man-who-murdered-her-for-being-a-lesbian/)


Four people have been arrested after a fatal stabbing of a homeless trans man. (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/06/03/four-arrested-in-homeless-trans-man-case/)


Amos Beede was found injured in an encampment near Burlington, Vermont on May 22. He had suffered multiple blunt force injuries to his face and head, causing internal bleeding, and numerous broken ribs. Although he was alive at the time, he later died in hospital.


Gay man says he was assaulted after leaving West Hollywood gay bar (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/28/gay-man-says-he-was-assaulted-after-leaving-west-hollywood-gay-bar/)


Despite Akridge not having reported his attack to the police, the West Hollywood Sheriff’s Department is looking into concerns of an increase in anti-gay violence in the neighbourhood.


Two men plead guilty to violent, homophobic and racist attack on gay black man (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/26/two-men-plead-guilty-to-violent-homophobic-and-racist-attack-on-gay-black-man/)

Trans woman attacked on NYC subway shares photo of assailant (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/02/11/trans-woman-attacked-on-nyc-subway-shares-photo-of-assailant/)

Police hunt suspects following horrific attack on trans woman (http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2016/05/24/police-hunt-suspects-following-horrific-attack-on-trans-woman/)

Gay Man Claims He Was Victim of Hate Crime in West Hollywood (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/4/10/gay-man-claims-he-was-victim-hate-crime-west-hollywood-video)

L.A. Man Attacked in Fla. Burger King: 'It Was Just a Simple Kiss' (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/4/06/la-man-attacked-florida-burger-king-it-was-just-simple-kiss-video)

L.A. Father Charged With Killing Son Because He Was Gay (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/4/01/la-father-charged-killing-son-because-he-was-gay)

Witness Describes Cold-Blooded Murder of His Gay Best Friend (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/2/23/witness-describes-cold-blooded-murder-his-gay-best-friend)


Danny Robinson, 34, told the court that he pleaded with alleged murderer Elliot Morales, 36, to put down his weapon. “I was saying, ‘Why do you have to do this?’” the paper reported. “‘Are you going to shoot us out here in front of all these people? Put the gun down.’”

Robinson and his friend Mark Carson, 32, were out in New York City's historic West Village, a historically LGBT-friendly neighborhood that is also home to the legendary Stonewall Inn. Morales had allegedly shouted at the pair as they walked along Sixth Avenue, calling them "f*ggots" and "gay wrestlers" on May 18, 2013. Carson was angered by the comments and followed Morales to confront him. “It was Mark doing most of the talking,” Robinson reportedly recalled in court. “He was like: ‘You’re not going to do anything! You’re not going to do anything!’”

Moments later, Carson was shot.

According to the Times, prosecutor Shannon Lucey told the jury that Morales' only motive for the murder was the presumed sexual orientation of his victim. “Mark Carson was a total stranger to Elliot Morales, and he was killed for no other reason than because he was gay,”she told the jury. “No other reason.”

Lucey said Morales's hate-filled evening began with an antigay rant while in a car with two friends, and continued at a restaurant.


'Person of Interest' Held in Alabama Bisexual Teen's Death (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/2/19/person-interest-held-alabama-bisexual-teens-death)

Chicago Gay Man Beaten on Train in Possible Hate Crime (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/2/16/watch-chicago-gay-man-beaten-train-possible-hate-crime)


Ryan McCarthy, a Chicago native, says he simply sat down next to another male passenger on the commuter train Friday night, but then the man launched into a violent assault.

McCarthy says he did not make eye contact with the man, nor come into physical contact with him before the abuse began. But when he was shoved off his seat, the assailant reportedly told McCarthy that "no gays should sit next to him."

"It was so hateful, such a hate crime," McCarthy told WMAQ. "All I did was sit next to this passenger on this train. Immediately he pushed me off and started punching me in the face."


Men Surround, Attack Trans Woman in Brooklyn (http://www.advocate.com/crime/2016/5/21/men-surround-attack-trans-woman-brooklyn)

A list of the 13 trans people know to have been killed in the US this year (http://www.advocate.com/transgender/2016/5/16/these-are-trans-people-killed-2016) - Amos Beede, Mercedes Successful, Tyreece “Reecey” Walker, Keyonna Blakeney, Shante Issac, Quartney Davia Dawsonn-Yochum, Kedarie/Kandicee Johnson, Demarkis Stansberry, Maya Young, Veronica Banks Cano, Kayden Clarke, Jasmine Sierra, Monica Loera - tracking at the same rate as last year where 21 trans people were murdered.


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“Meet my cousin Sarah. At 17, her future looks bright. She is in the top 10% of her class, runs cross-country and belongs to the National Honor Society and the debate team. She is also gay. Like any high school kids in a relationship, Sarah and her girlfriend wanted to go to prom together. But when they did that, Sarah’s parents, who believe that homosexuality is a sin and abnormal, sent Sarah away against her will to an East Texas Christian boarding facility for troubled teens to “pray away the gay.”

Not only does this type of “therapy” not work, mental health professionals from organizations like the American Medical Association and the American Academy of Pediatrics have found it to be psychologically damaging, especially for minors. And Sarah has been told that she must stay in this facility for a whole year. So instead of being surrounded by friends and extended family who love and support Sarah for who she is, she’ll be isolated in a place where the fact that she is gay is treated as a sin and an illness. Instead of preparing for college and competing in the state debate tournament, she’ll be doing forced labor every day and enduring Bible-based “therapy” for her “disease.”



She is not allowed phone calls or email or any form of computer communication. She is also not allowed visitors and cannot leave the property. She is completely cut off from the outside world. She tried to run away, but was caught by the staff and returned to the facility.



Sarah’s extended family and close friends are trying to win her release through the legal system, but it’s not cheap. Attorney’s fees in the first few weeks have already exceeded $20,000, and they are continuing to mount, with a full hearing set for July. Sarah needs your help. But this is about more than just one gay kid – if we free Sarah we can help show that it’s not okay to try to make gay teens straight by sending them away and using the threat of God against them. A donation pool has been set up to help.
(https://www.gofundme.com/27v8gac)

Spread the word so being gay doesn’t mean losing freedom for Sarah. #savesarah.”


All from this year.

[Gotthammer]

Marvel Casts Michael Barbieri as Ganke in 'Spider-Man: Homecoming'

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DAMN MARVEL
BACK AT IT AGAIN WITH THE WHITE-WASHING
I AM SO TIRED


Here are the levels of ****ery with this casting. This character is Korean American as shown in the picture above. But this character belongs in the MILES MORALES universe. He is Miles’ best friend. So you take an Asian character who is significant in the Black Latino Spiderman’s Universe and make him white? FOH.


Brie Larson cast as Captain Marvel


The average age of the air force officer force is 34.7

Brie Larson is 26. Captain Marvel is currently a Colonel. She was a Major when she got her powers. The Air Intelligence info suggests the average age for a major would be 39.

You know who else is 39? Both Chadwick Boseman and Benedict Cumberbatch who are the next two new Marvel superheroes to get their own movies.

So why is it different for a lady character, @Marvel? I don’t mean to slam Brie Larson. I think she’s a great actress and is incredibly sweet to boot. But Wanda was referred to as “just a kid” in CACW and this would make Carol younger than her (Elizabeth Olsen is 27).

#I AGREE WITH THIS SO HARD #I WANT A CAROL WHO IS 38 AND 6 FEET TALL #WAIT #GUESS WHO IS 38 AND 6 FOOT 3??? #GWENDOLINE ******* CHRISTIE WHY IS SHE NOT CAPTAIN MARVEL YET #DISNEY CAN SHARE HER BETWEEN TWO PROPERTIES #I’M SURE THATS IN THE BYLAWS SOMWHERE #WHY MUST ALL OUR LADY HEROES BE LATE 20’S WAIFS?

#I want a hero who is PHYSICALLY able to go toe-to-toe with Captain America #I want Gwen Christie smirking down into Chris Evans’s face as she delivers the I OUTRANK YOU line #I want someone who is built like a brick sh!thouse #and could actually have BEEN IN THE MILITARY#please from @canmakedothink

[Erik Setzer]

Hmm. I have a few issues with that Ganke casting.

First of all, wrong color. Yes, I know, it's a different medium, and we've established that people think it's okay to change characters between media, but I disagree. Ganke should be Asian.

He's also WAY too skinny. Ganke in the comics even refers to his size and how it makes it harder for him to relate to others. So why the hell is this skinny kid playing a fat kid? (No offense in using the term, it's just accurate, and I don't use it to "body-shame.")

And Ganke is Miles Morales' friend. So why would he even be in the movie? Will they have Miles? And if so, how's that going to work?

If they're trying to create a NEW character to act in a Ganke-style role with Peter Parker (that is, someone who's a confidant and close friend), but isn't Ganke, that'd be fine. But that kid there is NOT Ganke.

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Also, has the Brie Larson thing been confirmed? Seems people just started talking about it, and then Chris Evans said he'd be all for it, but I don't remember seeing anything official yet.

[eldargal]

It's not confirmed yet as far as I know, and I like the actress but I hope she doesn't get it for reasons stated above. She needs to be mid 30s at least, she isn't a young woman, she is an adult, experienced air force officer. She is also canonically 5'11" in the comics, and Brie Larson is 5'7". She needs to have that stature, its part of her character, she isn't a ****ing waif.

[Erik Setzer]

Larson wouldn't quite look right. Danvers is also pretty toned. Probably because she's military and a fighter (and pretty much admits she's a fighter, not a talker). The height could be tricked, but I'm not sure Larson could get her body in the right shape without doing some unhealthy stuff. (Six months of hardcore training isn't exactly healthy.)

I think it's just an Internet "wish list" thing, and not actually someone being considered. She'd make more sense as an older Gwen Stacey. (Hmm. Maybe Spider-Gwen? She might be able to pull that off. Just a touch older than Gwen's supposed to be, I think.)

[Erik Setzer]

And before you go in to suicides, they are far too common amongst the same age brackets as it is among otherwise perfectly normal people. Any strongly displayed abnormality (deliberate or not) will lead to teasing, to being picked on, to being harassed, abuse, or to being counter to parents' beliefs for their children. Most learn to cope or to not display their abnormality. Unfortunately, too many do not.

Soooo... Hide your sexuality or gender orientation because it's "abnormal" and go back in the closet and stay there?

Yeah, I'm sure that'll make LGBT+ people happier.

[Morgrim]

True enough. But is a hero comic book or a tv show about said heroic figures the best place to explore those paramenters? And by putting it in a such a setting it is shoving it in my face. There are too many cases of "gay character to have a gay character" in modern tv as it is.

My problem with the LGBT agenda is that it keeps getting shoved in my face in such a way as I not only have to accept their abnormality (and by definition, it is abnormal), but that I should be rejoicing they are abnormal, especially when, in some cases, embracing that abnormality is not the best solution.
No, being LGBT is not abnormal. Homosexual interactions and pairings are very well known across a large variety of species. Our closest relatives, the bonobos, are all bisexual (or pansexual depending on how one defines the term) and frequently engage in non-heterosexual activities. In fact for a primate species to have exclusively heterosexual interactions would be abnormal.

Perhaps you are trying to claim that abnormal = less common? In that case, do you object to people with red hair? 1-2% of the population has red hair. ~10% of the population fall under the banner of 'queer'. Does this mean all gingers should shamefully dye their hair and stop shoving it in our faces? Of course not, because we accept that red hair is a perfectly natural variation and only truly ridiculous people feel uncomfortable in the presence of gingers.

So for the same reasons, people that claim 'queers' existing where they are 'forced' to see them is negative are also acting ridiculous.

[Gotthammer]

My problem with the LGBT agenda is that it keeps getting shoved in my face in such a way as I not only have to accept their abnormality (and by definition, it is abnormal), but that I should be rejoicing they are abnormal, especially when, in some cases, embracing that abnormality is not the best solution.

See, if you'd just opened with "I'm a big ol' homophobe" you could have saved me a whole lot of time formatting that post :/

[Kirsten]

true that

[Mr Mystery]

I've never had an LGBT group knock on my door and try to convert me......

They're welcome in for a cup of tea and episode of Dr Who all the same though. And if they're lucky, Brownies.

[Kirsten]

now I want brownies.

[Mr Mystery]

I've got Dunkin' Donuts instead.

[Kirsten]

nice