Superhero Comics 101

[Kirsten]

Punisher Warzone was awesome. I preferred Thomas Jane playing the role, but the second film was much better than the first. I felt like the first film wasn't quite sure how to approach the comics, whether it should include the villains or just be a dude who kills baddies, or what the tone should be. whereas the second film just went, 'he is the punisher, he will shoot everybody' and didn't worry so much.

[YorkNecromancer]

Punisher is the greatest Marvel villain of all time, but only when he's written by Garth Ennis. 'The Slavers' is easily one of the most disturbing comics Marvel has ever put out.

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Not to mention 'Punisher: Born', which has the single most awful scene in Marvel comics history. The Punisher isn't The Punisher yet; he's a captain in 'Nam, and his squad captures a VC sniper. One of his men starts raping her, then her head explodes in the rapist's face. Punisher kneels down, his gun smoking from the shot he just fired, and very calmly states:

"We're not here to rape them. We're here to kill them."

Easily one of the most horrible things I've ever read in comics. No Punisher film has ever gotten him right, because they insist on making him an anti-hero, which he isn't. He's an anti-villain; over the course of Ennis' run, he makes it abundantly clear that Frank Castle is an absolute psychopath, and one who became addicted to combat during 'Nam. He never truly loved his family in anything except a detached sense, but their deaths provided him with a useful excuse. His whole 'no cops, no innocents' rule is nothing but a piece of mental sophistry he practises which allows him to live with the fact he's far, far worse than anyone he kills.

Best Marvel character bar none.

And there IS a good Punisher film, but it's not a Marvel one. It's called 'Harry Brown' and it is awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I2S3SraFmI0

'Taken' is very, very close to a mid 90's version of the Punisher; he's got all the death-dealing, but is a little too human, a little too not-insane to really count. But the principle's there.

[Mr Mystery]

Best thing about Harry Brown, other than Michael Caine is just how loathsome the main villain is.

[YorkNecromancer]

Yup.

Plan B is a great heel. The thing I love about 'Harry Brown' (other than everything) is how the villains are so totally one dimensional. Why are they bad? THEY JUST ARE! SHUT UP AND WATCH MICHAEL CAINE KILL THEM!

Just a fun, fun film. :)

[Kirsten]

Harry Brown is amazing.

Punisher Born was great, I loved that. the Punisher Max series too.

[Mr Mystery]

Yup.

Plan B is a great heel. The thing I love about 'Harry Brown' (other than everything) is how the villains are so totally one dimensional. Why are they bad? THEY JUST ARE! SHUT UP AND WATCH MICHAEL CAINE KILL THEM!

Just a fun, fun film. :)

Not sure 'fun' is the right word.

Cockneys versus Zombies is fun ('Ave some of this, twinkle toes)

Harry Brown is just powerful.

[Kirsten]

a lot like Get Carter

[Mr Mystery]

Been ages since I watched Get Carter.

[Kirsten]

it is great

[YorkNecromancer]

Harry Brown is just powerful.

As someone who spent his formative years growing up on some pretty unpleasant UK council estates, I thought the villains were far too much of a caricature to be remotely credible as anything except cartoon baddies, so I don't think I'd say it was powerful. There were plenty of druggies and skag heads, and more than a few lunatics, but no-one as absurdly, hyperbolically evil as Plan B's villain. For me, a film needs to be about more than generic middle class fears of poor people to be powerful.

In terms of a pure power fantasy though? Loads of fun. I'd show it to the Marvel bigwigs and go: "THIS. This is what our Punisher film is, only with Clint Eastwood in a skull t-shirt, even though he's twenty years too old now. So... maybe Karl Urban instead?"

[Mr Mystery]

Urban is Dredd, and a drokking good one too!

trying to think who else might be able to pull off Frank Castle credibly.

[eldargal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0Sd20Grmws
Valkyrie is getting an action figure! also some other peeps whatever.

[Darren Richardson]

It's confirmed, Marvel are making a Deadpool movie. The way it should be too. The Merc with the mouth is heading our way in 2016 and Ryan Reynolds got the gig. This is just a "test" video but it's hilarious if not a little sweary (as it should be) at the end. Enjoy.

http://youtu.be/CphFZGH5030
I love that they included the 4th wall in this clip, just like the comics. Deadpool is easily the funniest marvel character and I'm sure will be a huge hit. Can't wait.

Two words

Bloody Hilarious :D

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As I'm sitting here thinking about all things Marvel, I remembered this little gem. Punisher is another over looked marvel "hero" really. This was a fun short but NSFW.
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I too hadn't seen that, excellent Punisher action.

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Punisher is the greatest Marvel villain of all time, but only when he's written by Garth Ennis. 'The Slavers' is easily one of the most disturbing comics Marvel has ever put out.

Easily one of the most horrible things I've ever read in comics. No Punisher film has ever gotten him right, because they insist on making him an anti-hero, which he isn't. He's an anti-villain; over the course of Ennis' run, he makes it abundantly clear that Frank Castle is an absolute psychopath, and one who became addicted to combat during 'Nam. He never truly loved his family in anything except a detached sense, but their deaths provided him with a useful excuse. His whole 'no cops, no innocents' rule is nothing but a piece of mental sophistry he practises which allows him to live with the fact he's far, far worse than anyone he kills.

Best Marvel character bar none.

And there IS a good Punisher film, but it's not a Marvel one. It's called 'Harry Brown' and it is awesome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=I2S3SraFmI0

'Taken' is very, very close to a mid 90's version of the Punisher; he's got all the death-dealing, but is a little too human, a little too not-insane to really count. But the principle's there.

Yep Ennis take on the Punisher is often considered the best and most definitive take on Frank Castle that has ever been put out there, which isn't surprising considering the guys work creating the Preacher comics is outstanding.

And yeh Harry Brown is great, an old man vision of Frank Castle.

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As someone who spent his formative years growing up on some pretty unpleasant UK council estates, I thought the villains were far too much of a caricature to be remotely credible as anything except cartoon baddies, so I don't think I'd say it was powerful. There were plenty of druggies and skag heads, and more than a few lunatics, but no-one as absurdly, hyperbolically evil as Plan B's villain. For me, a film needs to be about more than generic middle class fears of poor people to be powerful.

In terms of a pure power fantasy though? Loads of fun. I'd show it to the Marvel bigwigs and go: "THIS. This is what our Punisher film is, only with Clint Eastwood in a skull t-shirt, even though he's twenty years too old now. So... maybe Karl Urban instead?"

Hey I GREW UP just down the road from that estate Harry Brown was filmed, at in the 80's that area was very rough, but as the gang culture took root, it got worse, thankfully after the film was made they started tearing it down, and many of trhe other local estates were being cleaned up, but the gangs are still there, just not so 'in your face' as they once were, they've gotten smarter these days.....

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Urban is Dredd, and a drokking good one too!

trying to think who else might be able to pull off Frank Castle credibly.

Urban is Dredd, enough said.

It would have to be a complete unknown for Frank Castle, all the established hard boy actors just don't have the right look, though I think Tom Hardy would be a passable Castle.

[YorkNecromancer]

Whoever they cast, he needs to be in his fifties at least.

Punisher's an old guy; he's a psychopathic version of Gran Torino, not Rambo.

[Deadlift]

Urban is Dredd, and a drokking good one too!

trying to think who else might be able to pull off Frank Castle credibly.

Thomas Jane was good enough in my book, Love to see him do it again.

[YorkNecromancer]

He was rubbish in the 2002 film. Though that could have been the director, because he was great in 'The Mist'; hopefully, the fact he's older now should aid his credibility somewhat.

That first film was bloody awful. 'War Zone' wasn't much better. Both totally misunderstood the point of the character. They try to make him Batman with a gun, all angsty. He's not. Punisher isn't Bruce Wayne but violent. He's Jason Voorhees except he only kills criminals. They need to get that right, straight off the get go: that he's categorically not a hero, nor is he good.

He's a monster who we root for only because he kills monsters. His actions are utterly unjustifiable, and he is, by any measure, completely insane. Completely. And that's why he's great fun to watch.

I think the line that best explains why Punisher is not a hero comes from one of the early Ennis comics. He's aiming a grenade launcher at an aircraft and the narration says:

"I can't help it. Every time I see one of these, I always think the same thing. And not just a plane. Buses, tankers, trucks... Anything big and slow and laden with fuel, I always think the same thought.

What a target.

What a great f***ing target."

It's like, in 'The Slavers' arc, he literally crucifies a bad guy, eviscerates him - keeping him alive while he does so - all so he can show the man his own intestines to get information from him. In the same arc, he makes a snuff movie, burning another bad guy to death and sending the film as a warning to the bad guy's superiors.

Once, he broke into the White House and told George W. Bush that he knew the President had tried to have him killed. He says:

"Your men can't stop me. Nothing stops me." He then throws Bush a bullet and says: "Nine millimetres. I'm never further away than that."

Not to mention that 'Punisher: Born' makes it explicitly clear that he sold his family to the spirit of death in order for his personal war to go on forever.

He is awesome beyond words, but he's a villain through and through.

Damn but I want a Punisher film that lives up to the Ennis comics.

[Kirsten]

I would disagree with a lot of that.

I thought Thomas Jane was excellent, and really enjoyed Warzone. there are certainly versions of the Punisher where is is just an endless killer of criminals, but there are plenty more where he is more nuanced, and more like Warzone.

[YorkNecromancer]

there are certainly versions of the Punisher where is is just an endless killer of criminals, but there are plenty more where he is more nuanced, and more like Warzone.

I kind of like him when he's not nuanced. I think the thing about Punisher is that it's very easy for him to be played as a kind of sick power fantasy; the idea that he's completely right to be murdering people left right and centre because they all have it coming. That's certainly how he's been played in the past.

Thing is, that's kind of despicable, because that level of vigilante justice isn't anything to aspire to, and it certainly isn't anything to celebrate. It's an intoxicating fantasy - the idea that we can just reach out and get revenge for the wrongs done to us... But it's not healthy, and it's not a remotely moral standpoint. It's a call to the worst instincts of humanity, which is why Punisher has to be a villain. That doesn't mean we can't cheer for him, or vicariously enjoy watching him butcher wave after wave of irredeemable monsters. I just despise the lazy writing which doesn't ever take a step back from inhabiting the Punisher's viewpoint and saying 'Holy s***. This guy's evil as hell.' Which he is.

The problem with Warzone was largely that they kept Punisher silent, and so the villain was more entertaining than he was. Yes, Punisher's always silent in the comics, but there he has an extensive internal monologue which - for no good reason I can see - was left out of the film. As a result, we just got a lot of Punisher frowning without saying a word and brooding heavily.

At their core, all superheroes are wish fulfilment. They're all fantasies of how we'd set the world to rights. Spiderman is every teenage boy, wishing he could stand up to the jocks and get the girl. Tony Stark is what every scientist and engineer wishes they could be, saving the world through science while simultaneously being cooler than everyone else in the room. Captain America is the perfect soldier - strong, true, driven by virtue and patriotic idealism, and has the simplest superpower set of all: he's just a tough SOB. Black Widow is professionalism personified - intelligent, capable, a polymath, able to control situations through guile and charisma.

Punisher is that desire to hurt those who have hurt us; not to see them brought to justice, but instead, to see them murdered. He's revenge personified - the need to reassert oneself in the face of powerlessness. That is a need I know a lot about, and that I suspect many others do as well. It is not a healthy need, nor is it a moral one.

The character doesn't require nuance, because the power fantasy is such a simple one. He's a simple desire to kill bad guys, and is utterly uncomplicated. He has no friends. None. The only one he had, Micro, he killed (with a shotgun and the words 'You really gonna beg?') He's completely empty and kills because he enjoys it. Oh, he dresses it up in justifications - I only kill those who deserve it - and Ennis makes a point that the vast majority of people he kills really have it coming. But the thing is, Punisher is at his best when he's utterly one dimensional - a force of nature.

The story is what needs nuance; the story and the supporting characters. It's like 'Dredd' (the latest film); all the way through, it's set up to look like Dredd is the protagonist, but he's not. He's actually a supporting character in Anderson's story. She's the actual hero of that film. Protagonists have an arc, where they overcome some internal flaw or weakness or fear; in Anderson's case, that's her self-doubt over her acceptability as a Judge. At the start she's a rookie; by the end, she's saved Dredd's life and learned what it is to be a judge - she's fully realised her potential. Dredd has no such journey: he starts the film as a one-dimensional bada** and ends it that way too. Which is great, because honestly? I don't want Dredd to be three-dimensional. He is the law, in a completely literal sense. His entire personality is subsumed by that.

Punisher is the same. He's not got a personality, and he has no flaws to overcome. He is vengeance, in that he has a simple mission - kill bad guys - and absolutely no compunction about doing so. The joy of the comics is in watching him do it. We see the villains, we hate them, we see them struggle to overcome the Punisher and then we watch them die horribly.

And hopefully, we find ourselves a little disturbed by that, because that joy? It's not a nice one. Some things in life are enjoyable when they shouldn't be, and the best Punisher writers realise that and weave it into the stories.

Yes, this is something I've thought about a lot. I bloody love Punisher.

But I still maintain Thomas Jane was not good in the role. I think it's probably because he was too young. Also, there were too many scenes of him getting drunk and crying. It's lovely that they want to have him feel feelings, but I don't go to a Punisher film to see a man in a skull t-shirt emote. I go to a Punisher film to watch bad guys s*** their pants and die.

There were no scenes of Liam Neeson's character drunk and crying in 'Taken'. He didn't feel feelings or go on a journey. He just made an awesome phone threat, then found the bad guys and killed them to death. Punisher should be that but moreso. He's Liam Neeson in 'Taken' with the safety catch off. He's Liam Neeson in 'Taken' only with scenes where he feeds bad guys to bears, guts bad guys while they're still alive, burns bad guys to death, shoots fifty bad guys at a birthday party in front of their family, drowns bad guys in toilets filled with their own terrified p***... (and yes, all of those things have happened in the comics and worse.)

[Kirsten]

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[Darren Richardson]

only with scenes where he feeds bad guys to bears....

I remember that one, wasn't it the Polar Bears which ate the arms and legs off of that female Mob boss, in Ennis's first Punisher run?, I always felt kinda sorry for the poor sap who ended up in the Pirhana tank.....

Always thought that mob boss looked like Chief Judge Mac..... Oh the female one who has that awarked psudo scotish surname who went bonkers, and the only person other then Joe to return from a Long Walk IIRC.

[Mr Mystery]

MacGruder :)

Currently enjoying the Dredd Megacollection. Got a sub, and up to issue three.

[Darren Richardson]

MacGruder :)

Currently enjoying the Dredd Megacollection. Got a sub, and up to issue three.

ah yeah, her, the badass in her younger days, the crackpot in her later days....

she was an interesting character in a comic strip full of interesting ones.

I prefer the big collected editions they put out, you know the ones the size of 80's telephone directories :D

[Mr Mystery]

These aren't far off!

Hardback with a scenic spine, each covering major story lines.

[Darren Richardson]

These aren't far off!

Hardback with a scenic spine, each covering major story lines.

I used to collect the marvel 'Partwork' ones (the black ones not the later red ones), I found the value to be variable, some 'issues' were half the size of others, I eventually stopped buying them due to lack of funds by being unemployed for a while, but truth is I only read them once or twice, ended up giving about 20 odd of them to a charity shop.....

So I now restrain myself from buying those, doesn't help all my shelf space is cluttered up with various Dungeons and Dragons RPG stuff and Games Workshop Miniatures and such :D

[Mr Mystery]

Similar storage issue.

My answer is to move to a larger, non-shoebox flat at some time this year!

[Gotthammer]

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[eldargal]

Genevieve Valentine (the writer) is the best thing to happen to Catwoman in years.

[Gotthammer]

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[eldargal]

Oh my god.

Look at the handmaidens faces 'Oh my gosh Cheryl. Cheryl look at her BICEPS Cherlyl. Feel that. Feel that Cheryl. That's grade a muscle that is. Goshdarn. Wish you had arms like that Cheryl'

[Morgrim]

"Perhaps we did not think this one through." That is practically the life motto of the Warriors Three.

[Kirsten]

awesome

[YorkNecromancer]

"perhaps we did not think this one through." that is practically the life motto of the warriors three.

lmfao

[eldargal]

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New Supergirl costume. Also assuming that's the new Supergirl.

[YorkNecromancer]

It's nicely designed, but that colour palette! Bleurgh.

When are DC going to get it into their heads that some characters aren't improved by being grim and gritty? How is it that they still haven't gotten over Frank Miller, and it's 29 years later! I mean, yeah, I know it's kind of the thing they do because it works for Batman, but sweet mercy, it's just a bit much when you see everyone in it. Especially given that most of their characters are completely ridiculous and work a lot better when aimed at the children they were intended for.

I know this is the same old discussion you always hear about DC's aesthetic vision, but damn. Just seeing Supergirl look so bloody drab... Not every character is immeasurably improved by angst.

[eldargal]

From what I've heard she isn't going to angsty and the show won't be gritty, but they seem to be tying it to the more muted palette used in Arrow and The Flash (also MoS). I do agree it is drab.

[Kirsten]

I saw those yesterday, can't make my mind up. if it was a cosplay I would think it was awesome, but it doesn't quite work for me as an actual show thing, and I can't put a finger on why.

[Morgrim]

She's wearing leggings and a sensible neckline, that seems like a good step forwards at least to me.

[Kirsten]

always a bonus

[Mr Mystery]

And it's nice to see she won't arrive five minutes after her norks and all.

[eldargal]

It's not perfect, but I do think it looks like something a young Kryptonian woman might sensibly wearing when she suddenly gets jammed into a box and fired into space.

[Mr Mystery]

Having a second peek, I think the 'cosplayesque' look actually works overall, particularly given EG's comment above.

[Kirsten]

It's not perfect, but I do think it looks like something a young Kryptonian woman might sensibly wearing when she suddenly gets jammed into a box and fired into space.

I hate it when that happens

[eldargal]

Yep.

[eldargal]

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With Dick Grayson part of Spyral and spending time at St. Hadrian's Finishing School For Girls, which is a school for training young women to become assassins, the young ladies can't help but admire certain qualities of Grayson:
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Hurr.

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Hurrr.

[Gotthammer]

Hurrr.

Hurrr indeed.

[Brakkart]

So in her ongoing monthly comic as of issue #41 Wonder Woman is getting a new costume in response to the threats shes having to deal with lately apparently and to be more fitting attire for her role as the God(dess) of War. I kinda like it. I'm not too sure about the retractable wrist swords, though her current gauntlets do have an extra dimensional storage space in them for holding her current swords I suppose. What do you think?

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[Mr Mystery]

I give it three issues.

[eldargal]

It's not bad, she's had worse.

[Morgrim]

I think it looks pretty good. Although agreed that the wrist blades look a bit goofy and impractical.

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno.

Impractical for handshakes.

Practical for fighting and itchy bum.

[Kirsten]

DC pulls controversial Batgirl variant cover

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/03/17/dc-comics-pulls-controversial-batgirl-cover

[eldargal]

Makes sense, it's not a bad cover but its ridiculously out of character for the Batgirl comic which is rather cheery. Really impressed with how the artist handled it rather than taking it as a personal affront.

[eldargal]

Via Teen Vogue, Marvel has just announced A-Force Anthology, “a series that focuses on the strength, courage, and power of Marvel’s female characters.” The announcement mentions that “Ms. Marvel, Thor, Black Widow, She-Hulk, and more” will be included in the anthology.

It seems like each collection will feature six titles from Marvel’s recent strong slate of female-led titles. The previews make it clear that these aren’t new stories: the pages are from She-Hulk #1, Thor #1 and Ms. Marvel #1. So if you can’t pick this up but subscribe to all these books (like I do, natch) you won’t be missing anything. What this collection is looking to do, it seems, is group jumping on points for all these ladyhero books in one place.

A-Force Anthology will be “hitting the YA section of your local bookstore,” meaning that it’s geared to an audience outside specialist comic book stores. I think this is great, since only people who read comics go to comic book stores. They’re a bad place to reach new readers, and can be unfriendly spaces for young women. With this and the upcoming Black Widow novel by Margaret Stohl, it looks like you’ll be able to find a lot of the Marvel women on YA bookshelves.
Marvel finally realising that targeting young women readers by getting their stuff into bookstores might be a sensible idea.

[Darren Richardson]

umm, don't ya mean Marvel?

[eldargal]

Yes lol, was still thinking about Arrow. Fixed.

[Charistoph]

...I think it's more Disney influence.

Strange thought. I could see She-Hulk dressing up like a Disney Princess, but could you see Widow doing that (when it's NOT an assignment) or Danvers?

Emma Frost would have to have her dress dialed back, though.

I don't know enough about Spider-Woman, though.

[YorkNecromancer]

If, like me, you remember 'Female Thor is just political correct rubbish and no-one wants to read anything where the character changes so fundamentally and why do we need to increase diversity anyway, and we should never change anything just for the sake of it and who would buy these comics with girls in anyway? Boys? Boys don't want to read comics with girls in, and they're the only people who read comics! Exactly like wargaming: it's a boys' thing! Girls will never like it! blah blah blah...'

Then you too might enjoy the 'I told you so' that female Thor currently outsells male Thor by an utterly absurd amount.

Apparently, just like in 'Field of Dreams', if you build it, they will come... (http://io9.com/thor-is-selling-more-comics-as-a-woman-1692608223)

[Charistoph]

If, like me, you remember 'Female Thor is just political correct rubbish and no-one wants to read anything where the character changes so fundamentally and why do we need to increase diversity anyway, and we should never change anything just for the sake of it and who would buy these comics with girls in anyway? Boys? Boys don't want to read comics with girls in, and they're the only people who read comics! Exactly like wargaming: it's a boys' thing! Girls will never like it! blah blah blah...'

Then you too might enjoy the 'I told you so' that female Thor currently outsells male Thor by an utterly absurd amount.

Apparently, just like in 'Field of Dreams', if you build it, they will come... (http://io9.com/thor-is-selling-more-comics-as-a-woman-1692608223)

Personally, I think they could have done more by bringing Syff up and giving her an Warriors (Shield Maidens?) Three Entourage. But that's just me. I wanted a whole new Captain and Crew for the last two Star Trek movies, too.

[eldargal]

New Thor is the best, the writer keeps trolling anti-feminists its hilarious. Good story and art though.

[Path Walker]

people in comments threads trying to justify Thor sales being great have been hilarious

[eldargal]

Idiot fanboys getting desperate. Can't admit the 'gimmick' of female character actually works when she's well written

[YorkNecromancer]

Personally, I think they could have done more by bringing Syff up and giving her an Warriors (Shield Maidens?) Three Entourage.

Sif needs to join the Agents of SHIELD as part of an Asgardian goodwill relations program. The plot would be that Loki (on the throne of Asgard at the moment IIRC) needs rid of her because she's too tenacious and noble, so he finds a way to kick her upstairs - promotes her far from Asgard. She joins SHEILD, becomes their team's Teal'c, and then, when Loki is unmasked, she can ask SHEILD for assistance and we get Melinda May kicking Asgardian backside Just As Things Were Supposed To Be.

It would be awesome.

[Darren Richardson]

well she is coming back to AoS in a couple of episodes, but without her memory it seems....

[eldargal]

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[Charistoph]

I saw this, and I immediately thought of this thread:


https://youtu.be/VJ7gwyaRFm8

While Harley isn't may favorite DC Character or Batman Rogue, she's easily in the top 5. Warner Brothers broke the mold on this one.

[eldargal]

Princess Leia comic Marvel's best selling comic in March (ign.com/articles/2015/04/10/star-wars-princess-leia-1-is-the-best-selling-comic-of-march-2015)

It's good too, recommend it.

[Brakkart]

Well seems DC want more female readers (and to take on Disney's successful Princess line no doubt) so they have just announced "DC Super Hero Girls" in fall 2015, a new initiative that will create a new superhero universe designed specifically for girls which will feature Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Batgirl, Harley Quinn, Bumble Bee, Poison Ivy, Katana and more.

The promo art looks good:

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Can read the full article about this on Comic Book Resources here: http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/dc-entertainment-and-warner-bros-launch-dc-super-hero-girls-initiativ

If this is done well I can see this being very popular as frankly the Princess line is very old fashioned and rather condescending. This looks to be much more empowering.

[Mr Mystery]

Marvel's Iceman is now their latest gay character.

Can't find a link at the mo though, but the reveal is ace!

[Gotthammer]

Here's the relevent panels (http://the-x-gene.tumblr.com/post/117118173239/all-new-x-men-40). Kinda ok with it but it's also kinda gross as he's outed rather than outing himself and the thing about "everybody being bi" plays into both the idea of bisexuality being a stepping stone to gayness or straightness & that gay people still have some form of attraction to the opposite gender.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/515a4d42b474729f3098d9b7d75dbf55/tumblr_nn6n1efNTd1qzj5t4o4_250.gif http://33.media.tumblr.com/3d2abb250e442aff4b01eb87841c274b/tumblr_nn6n1efNTd1qzj5t4o10_250.gif

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[Mr Mystery]

Supergirl Full Season Confirmed (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/35289/supergirl-full-season-order-confirmed)

Could be good, could be bad - just stating the obvs really.

Should probably go watch some Arrow and Flash and that.

[eldargal]

DC have been doing brilliantly with their tv shows, I have high hopes for this. Plus the actress playing Supergirl is adawbsable.:)

[Mr Mystery]

So I hear.

Just, y'know, haven't bothered to sit down and watch them yet.

I think Arrow might be on Sky Box Sets. Will have a look when I gets in.

[eldargal]

Flash is the best so far. Arrow has gone super wonky in season 3 but was pretty good otherwise.

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Flash is the best so far. Arrow has gone super wonky in season 3 but was pretty good otherwise.

I'm kinda liking S3, wonky and all.
Also Gotham (while it took some warming up to) is ace, as is Constantine.

[Mr Mystery]

Constantine has been axed ),:

[Kaptain Badrukk]

Balls. And it was so much better than the film version :(

[Mr Mystery]

Currently looking for a new home.

Given the roaring success of Daredevil, I'm wondering if Amazon might pick it up as a rival.....

[Gotthammer]

http://41.media.tumblr.com/6b96ec338f073385952dd17e9189db19/tumblr_nkp76oxGpG1rd0p79o1_540.png

http://40.media.tumblr.com/5f48e34986bfab362dbd7415b3107ebf/tumblr_nkp76oxGpG1rd0p79o2_540.png

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( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Kirsten]

:cool:

[eldargal]

Such good gal-pals, doing good old fashioned gal-pal things.

[Brakkart]

6 min trailer for the new Supergirl tv series. Looks like I'll be adding this to my watch list come the autumn.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm46-envrHo

[eldargal]

*high pitched sqeeeing* Watching it now.

[eldargal]

Too much adawbs, can't even. Line about girl not being derogatory rather of heavy handed but whatever. *flails* Nice Guy coworker depressingly accurate lol.

[Gotthammer]

Too much adawbs, can't even.

+1

Also:

*squeeeeee* :p

[eldargal]

Yup.:) So excited for this.

Anyone else getting a kind of Anna from Frozen feel from her?

[Gotthammer]

Yes totes!

[Mr Mystery]

Can't watch just now. Meant to be working.

Will watch on lunch.

[Darren Richardson]

hmm, maybe DC is getting better at this lark....

Will have to watch this.

[eldargal]

Their tv shows are all mostly good to excellent atm. Arrow has gone a bit weird but Flash is great.

[Mr Mystery]

About two thirds of the way through the first season of Arrow, and very much enjoying it. Fairly well paced, though I still can't quite take Captain Jack Swallows, sorry, Harkness seriously as a baddie. I've just seen him camp it up (and gloriously so) on too many occasions :p

Will give Flash a bash at some point too, but that might be a harder sell for the simple reason I've always found Flash hard to get on with - there can't be that many original dangers which running really fast is the answer to.

[Kirsten]

Rincewind would disagree with you

[Mr Mystery]

Yeah, but that's Rincewind. He gets a bye on that one, because Rincewind is ace. And the greatest Wizzard ever.

[eldargal]

About two thirds of the way through the first season of Arrow, and very much enjoying it. Fairly well paced, though I still can't quite take Captain Jack Swallows, sorry, Harkness seriously as a baddie. I've just seen him camp it up (and gloriously so) on too many occasions :p

Will give Flash a bash at some point too, but that might be a harder sell for the simple reason I've always found Flash hard to get on with - there can't be that many original dangers which running really fast is the answer to.

The first season is very good, as is the second which is probably better in some ways but worse in others. Season 3 is just weird, too much going on and silly resolutions to subplots and its not bad but not as great as the first two.

[Archon]

The Supi-Gal Trailer look like it could be nice. Genrally i dislike all super-X mainly because they are super. I can do it all super is a boring concept for me. I´m more into Batman - no superpowers, but a super guy :cool: Anyway - if Supergirl comes to TV, I´ll give it a try - and hope for a guest-roll of the better Super-Female: Power Girl!

[eldargal]

The possibility of Power Girl appearing is rather enticing.

[eldargal]

Soooo the pilot for Supergirl was 'leaked' in beautiful 1080HD, and being the good upstanding subject of HM that I am I did not suggest my brothers download it and I absolutely did not watch it and so I cannot say with certainty it is incredibly amaze and given that DC shows always get better than their trailer the season itself should be INCREDIBLE. But I'd imagine that would be a safe bet to make.>>

[Brakkart]

Would love to see it but have no idea where it can be grabbed from.

[eldargal]

When people ask me why I like Captain Marvel so much:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7u1u1mJL1r1ev9bo1_500.png
That's why.

[Charistoph]

When people ask me why I like Captain Marvel so much:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_me7u1u1mJL1r1ev9bo1_500.png
That's why.

Please tell me that's Iron Man. It looks like him, but the armour is not quite paneled clearly.

[eldargal]

Yep, she is smacking people with billionaire industrialist Tony Stark aka Iron Man.:p

[Mud Duck]

Billionaire industrialist Tony Stark aka Iron Bat? Or would that be billionaire industrialist Bruce Wayne in the new "Batman Vs. Superman" trailer?

[Mr Mystery]

Supergirl now has an air date for the USA (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/supergirl/35716/supergirl-premiere-date-confirmed-for-new-superhero-show)

And once again, no talk of a UK Channel picking it up. Which is frankly insane when you think about it.

Depending on the overall tone of the show, could be fantastic Friday Night Fodder, perhaps for ITV who currently lack anything to tackle the ever superb Dr Who.

[eldargal]

Oh thank god, October not December like originally thought.

[eldargal]

Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy are now canon bisexual girlfriends (http://kotaku.com/dc-comics-harley-quinn-poison-ivy-are-girlfriends-w-1711038615)
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--AAJuZdGs--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/1294606088731099209.jpg

[YorkNecromancer]

I always thought there was some really interesting, complex and horrible relationship power games going on between them. Like, if you assume Poison Ivy's a psychopath (which she is), and one who uses sexual relationships as a methodology of control (which she does) regardless of gender (because all humans are disgusting compared to plants), then her whole thing with Quinn becomes much more fascinating.

Quinn, for her part, is someone who clearly has deep emotional issues, most likely compounded by years of abuse at the hands of The Joker... Especially when you consider that (as far as I can recall) she canonically had a child with him that she gave up because it was the only way the child could have a 'good life'. Add in the fact she's very, very intelligent and deeply unstable - to the point where she frequently can't tell the difference between her own thoughts and reality - not to mention her tendency to dangerously latch onto people who show her any affection - which is not a good thing for them...

There are soooooo many interesting, fascinating stories that you could tell about that. I mean, look at 'Hannibal': that show is entirely about two deeply damaged individuals and their obsessive, destructive compulsion for one another. I can't imagine DC will ever do anything with it, though. probably just turn it into cheesecake fanservice that ends with some stupid catfight, or some villain who can be punched into defeat. Real maturity left that place when 'Vertigo' stopped being anything but tedious sometime around 2000. :(

[eldargal]

HQ and Ivy show a lot of tenderness towards each other in the current HQ comic, its really sweet after all she has been through with the Joker. I'm glad they are doing that but I can certainly see how a more in depth look at their relationship would be interesting too.

[YorkNecromancer]

HQ and Ivy show a lot of tenderness towards each other in the current HQ comic

Which is pretty much why I'm not interested; DC comics create these really interesting characters, then have them behave in ways that are completely contradictory to what's been established. Like, Poison Ivy hates humans; that's literally her thing: she wants to be a plant. Now, how the hell is a psychopath with that level of derangement - who has, lest we forget, murdered hundreds of people without the slightest whit of conscience through a variety of deeply horrific means - going to have what is, to all intents and purposes, a 'normal' relationship?

It's just bollocks. By which I mean, I cannot suspend my disbelief. I mean, the idea of someone who wants to be a plant is bonkers, fair enough - but it's a high concept idea, so I'll accept that. Unless you're doing something for little kids, where you don't need any kind of psychological truth (like the original Batman: the Animated Series, where they teamed up because 1.) they're baddies and 2.) they're girls, so that's all the justification you need), then having Ivy treat anyone with tenderness or compassion makes no sense.

It makes as much sense as Batman murdering the Joker, execution style. It makes as much sense as Robin taking a knife to Two-Face and eviscerating him. It's just not true to the way people behave, and that bugs the sh!t out of me. As fanservice? Fine. As an excuse to have a 'bad girls being bad' comic? Fine. As a power fantasy? Fine. But as a serious piece of storytelling for adults? No.

And the thing is, done properly, looking at the way the two of them actually interact, making them complex, fully-developed, flawed deuteragonists in their own series? Looking at themes of power, codependency and madness? Keep the fights to a minimum, and actually have meaningful character drama? That would be f**king amazing.

It just feels like no geek audience wants to eat a proper, three course gourmet meal like an adult, when they can just snaffle down the same sugar-filled frozen pizza and coke they've been having since they were little, and that? It depresses the absolute f**k out of me. It's why we keep getting given warmed-up diarrhoea like 'Gotham', instead of serious, quality work, like 'Empire', or 'Person of Interest'.

Makes me sad. :(

[Gotthammer]

http://img10.deviantart.net/c658/i/2013/348/0/3/just_wondering___splurt____bwahahahahahahahahah_by _nebezial-d6xzckt.jpg

http://orig07.deviantart.net/0332/f/2013/277/0/a/style_test__wonderwoman__video_by_nebezial-d6p5uai.jpg

http://orig02.deviantart.net/6e9d/f/2013/362/9/f/there_was_a_joke_here___i_killed_it__by_nebezial-d6zs4ht.jpg

http://orig11.deviantart.net/8cf0/f/2014/361/b/6/too_op__nerf_now__xd_by_nebezial-d8bfgux.jpg

By Stjepan Sejic (http://orig11.deviantart.net/8cf0/f/2014/361/b/6/too_op__nerf_now__xd_by_nebezial-d8bfgux.jpg)

[Mr Mystery]

Fan stuff or no?

It's cool!

[Kirsten]

lol, those pieces are great

[eldargal]

They are great, better than the official version which has to be fair improved a lot recently:
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20141119215651/marvel_dc/images/9/97/Superman-Wonder_Woman_Vol_1_13_Combo.jpg
Still has inappropriately sultry/pouty facial expressions.

[YorkNecromancer]

That fan art's great. Reminds me a bit of Wonderella. (http://nonadventures.com/2006/09/09/the-torment-of-a-thousand-yesterdays/)

http://nonadventures.com/comics/2006-09-09-1.gif

[Kirsten]

http://www.avclub.com/article/spider-man-now-miles-morales-news-internet-will-no-221165

Miles Morales to be actual spiderman when comics relaunch, not just alternate universe peter parker replacement.

"This comes just days after new leaked documents from the Sony hacking scandal, published by Wikileaks, revealed licensing agreements between Sony Pictures Entertainment and Marvel that included some rather awkward details. Though they downplayed it at the time, the decision to keep Peter Parker as Spider-Man in the Marvel Cinematic Universe wasn’t just because we’re all so excited to see another angsty white kid in high school. It’s also thanks to the companies’ agreement listing one of the “core elements” of Spider-Man as being that “he is a heterosexual Caucasian male.” Which makes sense, as children playing Spider-Man often cite his desire to have sex with women as being the most fun aspect of his superpowers."

[Erik Setzer]

Okay, given that people are quoting Marvel's own decisions to change its heroes willy-nilly to something completely different from what they've long been as if it's normal, this might not be such a big deal to people, but, after catching up to issue 250 and the special "Resurrection" issue of Spawn, I am confused to say the least. If anyone here reads the comic and can help me make sense of this, that'd be great.

Um... spoiler alert, I suppose? If you don't plan on reading the series, follow along, this might be a fun read.

First we just had Spawn (who we find out is Al Simmons) fighting off super powered villains and Malebolgia laughing in the background and Clown messing with him. Add in a bit more demons and angels, war between Heaven and Hell. Okay, cool. By issue 100, he goes down to Hell, kills Malebolgia, Angela gets killed (so she can be brought back to life as an Asgardian in the Marvel universe... yeah, let's leave that alone), Spawn meets some angels who offer to give him a halo as one of Heaven's warriors, he tells them to piss off.

Disregarding all the myriad side stories, the next bit of the story involves him fighting Heaven and Hell both, basically, and at some point I think he had the chance to take over Hell because Satan wasn't home, but he gave it up thinking he could be with his wife Wanda (who he made a deal to come back to be with that made him Spawn, only he came back five years later so she married his friend and they had a kid). Of course, Hell is full of lies, and his buddy Cogliostro, who'd been a mentor to him (and was basically Kane?), took the crown and made Hell his own. Oh yeah, and speaking of Wanda, she had twins after a mystery visitor showed up around issue 100. And Heaven's throne is also empty.

Then it turns out the twins aren't what people think. The Apocalyspe starts, because it turns out the twins are God and Satan put into human bodies to try to show them what being human is like, which failed utterly. They remember who they are, go back to spiteful warring, start the final battle, unleash the "Four Horsemen" (more like obscene kaiju), do the Rapture, all of that. The creature who supposed created God and Satan shows up, gives Spawn the power to beat them, and locks them in their own version of reality where, rather than learning their lesson, they keep on fighting. Al (Spawn) seals Heaven and Hell off from Earth, and is just ready to go back to Wanda (who's married), but gets stopped and shown her relaying a memory to her new husband that Al was abusive and punched her in the stomach, forcing a miscarriage of their child. That makes Al a sad panda, so he tries to go back to pouting in the alleys, but Mammon (a "fallen angel" who's been messing with Spawn in the background the whole time) shows up and reveals, "Surprise, your kid's not dead! She was really born! I took her and raised her to be a vampire, and now I'm taking your Spawn costume and giving it to her to give her power I can control!" Due to time-paradoxing shenanigans (don't ask), Al's witch friend Nyx casts a spell to lock Mammon and Morana (Al's and Wanda's 18-year-old daughter) in place for eternity. Al realizes bad stuff keeps happening to him, so he goes and blows his head off with his power. Literally.

[pause for breath]

So that's around issue 185. Then a guy Jim Downing wakes up from a coma and is the new Spawn. I'll skip his relationships with people and confusing backstory, other than to touch on how apparently the early villains in Spawn were all part of a secret project. Jim, as Spawn, also has weird angelic powers that pop out at times. Malebolgia, who was killed, tries to come back in a new form, but isn't fully powered yet, and the Spawn suit (which is apparently alive and making its own power play, despite being a freaking suit that needs a host to work) kills him again. There's some vampires in there too. And angels and demons keep showing up to fight... so Heaven and Hell being blocked off didn't do much good. Oh, and God and "the devil" are apparently leading things, even though they're not supposed to be there. Plus Jim's soul apparently tried to kill God, which they never explain. After a serious escalation of things, a major battle ensues between Jim and the suit, and both get sucked into somewhere and, in theory, destroyed.

Cut to Al Simmons, in his own Spawn suit, stuck on wooden boards in darkness, "limbo" basically. A dog walks up and starts telepathically talking to him while looking flipping adorable. Turns out the dog is God representing Himself to Al in a way he'd accept (eh?), and then He goes on to explain how he created the universe, saw it all perfect and that was pointless, so made people flawed and purposely forgot how it all ends, and then angels and demons started fighting on earth, so he tried to destroy them all with a flood and then start over. (This is about the third creation story that's been in the comic by then.) Basically laments how it all screwed up, and, like Al, he went to limbo to mope rather than being directly involved. Then he shows Al how he and Wanda got pregnant with a boy, but she miscarried. Then it gets dark... Wanda took a wrong turn and ended up in a protest between cops and people holding signs like "Hands Up! Don't Shoot!" (I'm sure you get the reference), and the police act, and the crowd reacts, and it all goes downhill and she ends up getting killed... then her soul decides to go be with the soul of their unborn son, who for some reason is in Hell. So God asks Spawn to take up this sword that grants more power and become his warrior against evil.




Okay, you still with me? First off, kudos and thanks.

So... If "The Mother/Miracle Man" created God and Satan, why is God now saying He created everything? And this isn't the God we saw fighting Satan. And when those two get locked up and Heaven and Hell walled off from Earth, how did there end up being a God and Devil in charge and Heaven and Hell invading Earth again?

Did Al punch Wanda to force a miscarriage, or was he really a good guy and it was just an accident? Did they have a son, not a daughter? Did Terry actually kill Al before then marrying Wanda?

I think they're trying to suggest a lot of what Al's been told has been lies from various powerful people trying to manipulate him, and that sort of works as a retcon... but not completely. Especially as people still remember the Apocalypse happening (before Al had to bring everyone back to life and "reset" the world to pre-Apoc settings).


Am I just trying to make too much sense from a comic?

[Mr Mystery]

Just found a Gamora figure. (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Marvel-Guardians-Galaxy-Gamora-Figure/dp/B00IJZPZLW/ref=pd_sim_21_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=1YSXSPH6ADDMPTYAHRZE)

Films only been out for a year, like.

[Mr Mystery]

Interview with Hayley Atwell on Den of Geek (http://www.denofgeek.com/tv/hayley-atwell/35928/hayley-atwell-interview-agent-carter-winter-soldier)

Agent Carter finally gets UK air date of this Sunday! Wooooo!

[Mr Mystery]

Ant-Man is getting very positive write ups.

So that's 12 Marvel films in, and barely a miss-step between them.

[eldargal]

http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/SDCC2015-Hasbro-Breakfast-Marvel-Legends-023.jpg
Spider-gwen 6" action figure! *flails*

Power Girl premium format figure:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/SDCC2015-Sideshow-DC-Comics-025.jpg

Batgirl premium format figure, think I'll get this:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/SDCC2015-Sideshow-DC-Comics-026.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Why so busty?

[eldargal]

Because people always overdo PGs bust lol

[Mr Mystery]

Wonder if someone was to motorboat her, if they'd wind up with serious head injuries?

[eldargal]

Well she's probly rip them in half too so head injuries the least of it.

[Mr Mystery]

Not if she was the one up for fun. I was assuming you wouldn't get close enough otherwise.

[eldargal]

Well that's true.

Fun fact, I once confused got the words motorboating and waterboarding confused and inadvertently scared some of my fellow university students at the time.

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One thing that confuses me is how Kara zor-El age 20 (Supergirl) is like a C cup, while Kara zor-El age 30 (Power Girl) is an F cup or larger lol

[Mr Mystery]

Because of Knocker-Shaped Kryptonite?

[Erik Setzer]

With a new Secret Wars series coming out (I have absolutely zero clue what's going on there, I'm way behind on comics), I decided to re-read the first Secret Wars and Secret Wars II. A lot of the dialogue is absolutely cringe-worthy, especially in Secret Wars. And the way they refer to women as "chippies" in multiple places just doesn't feel right, nor does Wasp being damn near a caricature when it comes to her looks (i.e. she gets brought back to life and her first concern is that she didn't have fresh make-up on when she was being resurrected). I suppose you could let the bad guys slide on doing things like referring to women by nick-names like "Legs," but the good guys using demeaning terms seems so wrong. And I still don't get all the comments about Marsha/Volcana, where people are constantly pretty much calling her fat, and yet her shape doesn't even remotely say "fat" (the only way she's "big" is that she seems to be over 6' tall and is proportioned as appropriate).

Secret Wars II is kind of a pain to read because it was one of their big multi-series crossovers, where even inside of an issue, you don't know the story of what happened without reading a different series. For example, at one point the Beyonder decides he's going to help the Avengers against the Skrulls, and then pretty much the very next panel on the same page he blinks back to Earth talking about what a disaster it is, and there's a note at the end of the comic basically saying, "If you want to figure out what happened here, read Series X #111." Character development happens between issues, but it's impossible to sort it out without having the other comics.

Comics aren't perfect today, but I think they're a lot better than they were 30 years ago. And even at that time, the women all had outfits that showed off their body and were so form-fitting as to be uncomfortable, and quite a few had large chests.

[YorkNecromancer]

Why so busty?

Because of The Most Common Superpower. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MostCommonSuperPower)

[Aenir]

I had a moment, and bought Harley Quinn Volume 1 (Hot in the City) its awesome :D


Especially where she tries to find an artist :)

15034

Wedding punches!

[eldargal]

http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Spidey-Wave-Spider-Gwen.jpg
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Spidey-Wave-Venom.jpg
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Spidey-Wave-Morbius-Jack-O-Lantern.jpg
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Cap-Wave-MOCKINGBIRD.jpg
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Cap-Wave-Axis-Red-Skull.jpg
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Spidey-Wave-Absorbing-Man.jpg
Bunch of upcoming Marvel Legend figures.

[Kirsten]

I know almost none of those legends :p

[eldargal]

Fair enough.:p In order: Spider-gwen (Gwen Stacey Spider-woman), Venom, Jack-o-Lantern and some guy, Mockingbird (Barbara/Bobbi Morse), red Skull Onslaught, Absorbing Man. The last two are much larger Build A Figures you assemble from bits that come wit hhe regular figures.

[Kirsten]

I got Gwen and Venom :p

I don't know why Red Skull stole Magneto's armour though.

[eldargal]

That's a thing that happened in a book I have not read hehe. Oh and some guy is in fact Morbius apparently. Oh I forgot:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/07/Marvel-Legends-Spidey-Wave-Beetle.jpg
Beetle. No idea who she is but I have a lot of respect for a woman wearing a skintight bodysuit who thinks to herself 'You know what would make this better? Wearing my favourite negligee over the top'.

[Kirsten]

looks like Deadpool in fancy dress

[Erik Setzer]

looks like Deadpool in fancy dress

And, of course, "deadpool in fancy dress" is a search term Google anticipates, and doesn't disappoint on (though a little scrolling is needed in Google Images).

[Mr Mystery]

http://www.denofgeek.com/books-comics/twist/36145/joss-whedon-announces-victorian-female-batman-comic-book-project

Anticipation - 3/5

Two points deducted due to threat of sodding Steampunk ruining it all. Again.

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Fair enough.:p In order: Spider-gwen (Gwen Stacey Spider-woman), Venom, Jack-o-Lantern and some guy, Mockingbird (Barbara/Bobbi Morse), red Skull Onslaught, Absorbing Man. The last two are much larger Build A Figures you assemble from bits that come wit hhe regular figures.

Morbius is the Vampire dude with Jack O'Lantern.

[Mr Mystery]

Just saw the suicide squad trailer.

Oh dear.

Oh dear oh dear.

Joker isn't going to kill us. But his acting will make us wish he would.

[Erik Setzer]

It's one trailer, very brief, hardly see much Joker in it. Can't really make that bold of a judgment off of that.

I'm cautiously optimistic. I'm not going to be unfair and compare him to Heath Ledger, because Ledger got so into the role it practically killed him. It's new take, different than I'm used to, but heck, Joker's been through a lot of forms even just in the comics, and this one seems to fit this movie.

The only problem is that they might be resurrecting Batman again, and that means either Leto's Joker has to face Affleck's Batman, or the stories get all kinds of jumbled and weird, which isn't good when you're trying to face Marvel's well-oiled machine, where the only hiccup was Hulk. (We're not talking about the stuff being produced by Fox or Sony, either, though those have gotten better.)

[eldargal]

Joker was rather terrible. Didn't really feel the rest of it either. I was kind of tired when I watched it but HQ didn't seem to have her accent? Dawn of Justice trailer got me excited for it, this just felt really flat.

[Mr Mystery]

I've got £10 says they neatly avoid Harley Quinn being a qualified Psychiatrist, and instead just dumb her down to being Mr J's bint.

Also....I see Will Smith is playing...well....erm....Will Smith, and yes....Killer Croc is still a Goomba.

As for saving up Joker for the last few seconds? Here's a crude analogy...

It's like internet dating, where you start out chatting to an apparently adventurous 25 year Swedish Blonde, and only realise when it's far too late that despite warning signs, she is in fact a 50 year old, 25 stone, toothless Tennessee Hill-Billy call Bubba-Ray with his dead Mum in the fridge and a suit made out of ladyparts.

[Erik Setzer]

Ow. That seems a bit much. But eh, it seems a lot of people hate this vision of Joker, and have ever since the initial shots of him came out. It's still possible he won't be bad.

It's hard to tell anything about story from any of it. And they probably just skipped everyone's actual origin story just to go straight to the action (which might be an extreme over-reaction to people being sick of a superhero's origin story being shown every time a new version of them is put on screen). Really, though, the only thing that I disliked - mind you, not saying I think the rest is great, it just hasn't put me off yet - is Will Smith being too blatantly Will Smith. But then, I also saw a trailer for a new movie coming out that seems interesting but stars Tom Hanks and I couldn't see him as anything but Tom Hanks.

The rest, I'll give a chance. Not putting my expectations of it up there with SvB or especially Deadpool, but I'll at least give it a fair shake.

[Aenir]

Darn it EG!! :)

I Got the 2nd book of Harley Quinn.... I blame you :D

[Erik Setzer]

I've got £10 says they neatly avoid Harley Quinn being a qualified Psychiatrist, and instead just dumb her down to being Mr J's bint.

Well, in the trailer, you have a young blond woman in a lab coat being strapped to a table that the Joker's leaning over, then the ending looks like it's in the same room, so he's likely talking to the woman. And bets are that's him taking a young Harley and twisting her from a doctor into a psychopath.

[Mr Mystery]

Re watching Man of Steel.

Just got the bit where Supes meets and saved Lois Land.

Yeah.....it's as ropey as I recall. Visually gorgeous, but a plot would have been nice. So far it's just been a series of tenuously linked vignettes.

[Wildeybeast]

The only interesting its of that film were the ones with Kevin Costner in. When was the last time we could say that?

[Mr Mystery]

Gone back to finish the job.

First impression was right. This film sucks.

This is a Zak Snyder film, for Zak Snyder fans.

We'll have no coherent plot here!

[Mr Mystery]

15391

Found it on Facebook, and it made me smile.

[Erik Setzer]

Just got through reading the collected first five issues of Thor from "Marvel Now!" (It's $8 for Kindle, pretty cheap.) It was a good read, but the scene that got passed around the Internet with the Absorbing Man is just... cringeworthy. It feels like a wedged-in political commentary that just doesn't mesh with the rest of the story. Aside from that, it's good. I'm not sure if the further issues are available for Kindle so I did look up spoilers on who this Thor is (they keep teasing the identity thing, but it's not resolved by the end of the first collection).

If they keep "Odinson" in the Marvel universe, I'm fine with the new Thor being this woman (not naming her for people who don't want spoilers). It only bugs me as part of a whole, that being Marvel's move to completely redo their universe to force diversity in by replacing long-running characters rather than just adding new ones, so that we can now have a hispanic Spiderman, black Captain America, Korean Hulk, etc. Of those, Captain America and Thor don't bug me (because they're roles that have been established now can be passed around a bit), but Spiderman not being Peter Parker feels weird, and a Hulk who actually likes being the Hulk seems to be missing a lot of what gives the story punch. And it still just strikes me as cheap to change existing characters rather than add new ones to introduce more diversity.

Going to read Ms. Marvel and Captain Marvel #1's later... seems like two versions of the same character (sort of), but hey, that's Marvel for you. I still can't figure out what's going on in Secret Wars (mainly because I've been reading some of the side story arcs, and they feel contradictory at times).

[Morgrim]

Ms Marvel and Captain Marvel are utterly different characters. The current Captain Marvel (Carol Danvers) used to be known as Ms Marvel ages ago (and then apparently got promoted?). The current Ms Marvel (Kamala Khan) is a teen with no connection and different powers who looked up to Captain Marvel as a role model, so when she decided to go into the hero business she asked if she could please take up the name.

Although yes, there have been at least 4 characters with 'Marvel' in their name, and all linked in some fashion. Kind of like the Batfamily in DC, and equally confusing at times.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, reading the comic actually cleared up my confusion. The synopsis I read made it sound like Ms. Marvel somehow had Carol Danvers' mind inside her or something. The only time there's ever really any kind of connection (other than the name) is when she kept making herself look like Captain Marvel, until she decided to just be herself (out of necessity at first).

It's a good enough read I grabbed the second and third volume. I like that they're having fun with it, but not making it too "dumbed-down" just because it's a kid. And it's nice to support the idea of them making an actual, new character who's different.

Have to admit, the scene with the Sheikh surprised me as much as it did Kamala. But a good surprise. They didn't do something stereotypical with it.

Not sure she actually asked, though... Seems more like she was being called Ms. Marvel by people, so she just rolled with it and decided she could be Ms. Marvel. Not in an ego kind of way, just like she thought, "Well, I can do what she does, and save people like her, so might as well keep using the name."

I think the Spider universe will be more confusing, though. Aside from swapping Peter Parker for Miles Morales as Spiderman, I've seen a fold-out with ads for #1 issues for Spider-Gwen, Spider-woman, and Silk, three different spider-themed female heroes with outfits similar to Spiderman. How many radioactive spiders are there out there?!?

[Morgrim]

I haven't read those comics, but from what a friend has told me there was a multiverse pileup. Each Spider is from their own universe - for example Peter Parker is from the 'normal' Marvel universe, but Miles Morales was the Spiderman in the Ultimates universe - but when the multiverse crash happened the Spider Totem (not sure what that is) pulled all of the Spiders out of the wreckage and they ended up in one place. Which confused the heck out of them all.

I think in the Ultimates universe Peter Parker lived there and took Miles as apprentice when he was exposed to the same stuff he was? And then Parker got murdered by one of his many enemies, so Miles took up the job full time.

[Erik Setzer]

Yeah, but with the big mashup of everything in the Secret Wars setting, it's gotten to be a bigger mess, and then the resulting effective reboot of the Marvel universe will change some things, i.e. Parker ends up dead or something. If he's gone for good, at least "Renew Your Vows" gave him a nice send-off, where he fights a bad guy with his wife MJ and their super-powered daughter and, in the end, "renewing his vows" is less about the marriage vows and more about his personal vow to not compromise his principles no matter what (though, by the time he decides *not* to kill someone, he's already killed Eddie Brock/Venom, and ripped off Doc Oc's limbs while he could feel it, and webbed Hobgoblin's hand shut around a grenade).

It's going to be interesting seeing what happens, at least.

[Mr Mystery]

Sort-of news on Captain Marvel. (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/captain-marvel/37177/captain-marvel-kevin-feige-gives-update-on-film-casting)

Seems we'll be seeing Ms Danvers debut before her own stand-alone film. Not sure when though.

Also, confirmed the script is in the hands of two ladies. Which is nice.

[Erik Setzer]

Cool. Looking forward to it. I've started reading the newer Captain Marvel comics, they're pretty fun.

I got up to date on the Ms. Marvel series, and Captain Marvel's appearance there was... depressing. They're running through the end-of-the-world story (that led to Secret Wars, and the new reboot), and Captain Marvel shows up to basically tell Ms. Marvel, in no uncertain terms, "No, this is the end of it all, the end of everything. We can't stop this, we can't save the day this time. Everyone you know and love is going to die. Go be with them, and try to keep people calm, but don't actually tell them what I just told you." That's a bit much to expect a teenager to process.

I'm guessing Marvel isn't going to try to mix the movie and comic settings, given what they're doing to the comics. But hey, more stories for us!

[eldargal]

Hal Jordan is an amazing Green Lantern (http://kedasederragar.tumblr.com/post/130608275512/bizarrodf-takashi0-sindri42)

[eldargal]

Marvel Legends action figure reveals from NYCC:

Mockingbird/Bobbi Morse and Sharon Carter:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/B6355AS00_Marvel_MOCKINGBIRD_SHARON-CARTER.jpg
Scourge and Taskmaster:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/B6355AS00_Marvel_SCOURGE_TASKMASTER.jpg
Whirlwind and Cottonmouth:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/B6355AS00_Marvel_WHIRLWIND_COTTONMOUTH.jpg

Rogue:
http://news.toyark.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/Rogue.jpg

[Charistoph]

Makes me wonder if we'll see Taskmaster in Agents of SHIELD at all. I do hope they don't put Ward in that position, he's not quite right for it. If they did do that, maybe they could have the "real" Taskmaster killing him and taking his spot?

[Mr Mystery]

Antman and The Wasp announced. Pushes Black Panther forward, and Captain Marvel back (http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/ant-man/37279/marvel-announces-ant-man-sequel-plus-three-untitled-films)

Oh, and three as yet un-named films pencilled in all the way to 2020.

[eldargal]

Better bloody well be a Black Widow film in there.

[Mr Mystery]

I certainly hope, and to be honest, expect so too, given the apparent restricting force has been removed.

And if we're wishlisting - a more mature certificate.

Not nudity mature. More 'dear lord, she just garrotted him with his son's intestines' type mature certificate. Show us just how deep that red in the ledger is.

[eldargal]

If there is any fairness (which there isn't) all three of those films would be female led, that at least would mean 1 in 7 MCU films were female led.

But yes need proper mature spy thriller, not GoT style sexposition.

[Mr Mystery]

Yarp.

More Bourne than Porn.

[Erik Setzer]

Yarp.

More Bourne than Porn.

I'd be happier if it was more PROPER Bourne even (I mean the far superior novels). Don't need to see Black Widow "sexing it up," I want to see spy intrigue and how far she'll go to complete a mission.

[Mr Mystery]

Well, using her femininity has been used as a weapon already - twice in Avengers Assemble for sure.

Just needs to be controlled and appropriate, and not merely an excuse to see Scarlett Johannson in her knicky-knocky-noos.

Consider the odd perviness of Into Darkness. Two lasses in Kirk's bed? Fair enough. He's a lothario, and being in bed, bedtime clothing is appropriate, and the scene serves some kind of purpose. Dr Marcus? Kirk turning around? K, see above - dude's a lothario. But for us the audience to cop an eyeful? No need.

[Erik Setzer]

Consider the odd perviness of Into Darkness. Two lasses in Kirk's bed? Fair enough. He's a lothario, and being in bed, bedtime clothing is appropriate, and the scene serves some kind of purpose. Dr Marcus? Kirk turning around? K, see above - dude's a lothario. But for us the audience to cop an eyeful? No need.

The fact that she was changing in that location to begin with just seemed like an odd excuse to give the audience an eyeful. That's one of my few complaints about the movie. (As opposed to how the Internet seems to tell me I should feel, I actually liked the movie.)

[Mr Mystery]

I couldn't stand it.....but that's another discussion entirely.

What is more on topic?

Another day, another article about just how totally super-serial, like, super super serial Jared Leto is taking his role in Suicide Squad.

Is it just me, or is anyone else getting the distinct feeling they know they've spent money on a turkey, and are now trying to persuade themselves it just ain't so and it's actually all great and win?

[Kaptain Badrukk]

I'll hold judgement. I mosned about Heath, and look how that turned out.

[Erik Setzer]

Eh, I'll see how it is when it comes out. I think it'll be fine. It's hard to follow Ledger's Joker, but I get where they're going with this one. I could find things to be nitpicky about, but eh, it's a superhero movie, they never follow the comics exactly.

[Mr Mystery]

Some kind chap has made a film all about 2000AD, quite possibly the greatest comic there ever was or will be. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifPt8JP9xbk#action=share)

I hope it comes to Netflix soon, because I really want to see it!

[Mr Mystery]

Ant-Man out on home media on Monday *flails excitedly*

So can't wait to watch it again. Purely in my estimation, given it's well documented birthing issues, it went from 'this has got to be the pebble that starts the avalance', to 'this is great. Really, really great'.

Like Guardians of the Galaxy, it shows the MCU don't just rely on big name superheroes to bring in the crowds. They take them time to make each film fun. Sure, there are somewhere you really need to have seen it's predecessors to understand what's going on, but then along comes Ant-Man, and we wind up with a family friendly film few could find truly objectionable.

[Kirsten]

aah cool, I haven't seen it yet, had assumed it was out already. might have to pick it up next week

[Mr Mystery]

It's really good fun.

First and foremost it's a good heist movie. And a superb superhero movie.

[eldargal]

I skipped it at the cinema, will get the blu ray though.

[eldargal]

Patsy Walker, A.K.A. Hellcat! #1 is on sale and it is the cutest and funnest comic I have read in ages, go read it now.
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5662/40/original/640.jpg
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5662/39/original/640.jpg
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5662/38/original/640.jpg
http://i.onionstatic.com/avclub/5662/37/original/640.jpg

[Erik Setzer]

Apparently NBC's looking to make a series like The Office set around an insurance office in the DC universe.

http://www.geeksaresexy.net/2016/01/09/nbc-making-the-office-type-show-with-dc-superheroes/

It has some potential to be amusing, but I'm not sure how well it'll catch on. Sounds like the kind of idea you come up with while drinking with friends. (I think this one might have actually come up during a night out with some of my friends.)

[Morgrim]

Could be interesting. There was a Marvel series about crews cleaning up after super hero/villain fights that was funny but got cancelled. "Damage Control", I think?

[Mr Mystery]

Wiki page has it as still 'In Development', so perhaps just having a difficult journey, rather than cancelled?

Even if they do it as a series of 'one shot' style TV specials to follow up major film universe events?

[Mr Mystery]

Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. back on E4 last night.

Gotham back on Channel 5 tonight

And before long, Agent Carter back on Fox.

Luvverly.

[Mr Mystery]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmRih_VtVAs

First 'proper' Suicide Squad Trailer.

It's not looking quite as terrible as last time, but still a 'nah' for me.

And yes, it looks like they've squandered Harley Quinn - could that be Joker Mangst?

[Mr Mystery]

And in a double-whammy of 'oh dear, I think they may have blown it', I give you the first look at the forthcoming Wonder Woman film.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9Ur4De7yT8

Other opinions are of course available, and equally valid (not convinced at all at how she holds her sword on horseback.....)

I really hope this one doesn't turn out to be another middling DC effort though.

[eldargal]

Wonder Woman looks fine from what I can see (seems like a reasonable cavalry sabre grip?), but Suicide Squad is kind of meh. I doubt they would be mad enough to kill HW for Joker Mangst when she is more popular than him now lol.

Edit: also the fact they called her a feminist cultural icon is practically a watershed moment for DC lol, they have done all they can to avoid the F word recently.

[Mr Mystery]

It's holding the straight bladed sword upright.

Granted she's not known for carrying a Cavalry Sabre, and does have superstrength - but an over arm swing when charging in is likely to lose you your sword.

You want a good underarm - mess them right up in the face, and keep hold of your blade.

I really, really don't want WW to be bobbins - but yah. Suicide Squad is looking 'meh'.

And you watch. Harley Quinn will be Joker Mangst.

Probably at the insistence of Jared 'why do people rate him?' Leto.....

[Morgrim]

Don't you also need a really good saddle and stirrups to stay on the horse when doing an underarm thrust? IIRC that's why the overarm stab was used originally, it was less likely to result in you levering yourself off your mount.

[eldargal]

Yarp, though some early saddles were more effective at keeping peeps in the saddle sans stirrups than we used to think. But if you look at most depictions of early cavalry combat they are using overarm blows with swords and the like.

[Mr Mystery]

I shouldn't think so.

Underarm your blade is travelling the same direction as you are.

But hey, it's a relatively silly thing.

I hope they've pulled out all the stops to ensure the film has as wide an appeal as possible. Worst case? Misunderstanding feminism and why she's popular, or not even trying followed by 'told you lasses don't sell films'

Having thought more, before I don my special hat and in sit in the corner, thinking about what I've said......

I suppose she could be about to a Horsebreak turn type thing, squishing the dude on the right with the horse's bum, and adding power to a sword swing, perpendicular to despatch those on the left.

Right.

Off into my corner. See you in a bit.

http://www.3quarksdaily.com/.a/6a00d8341c562c53ef01053618a79b970b-800wi

[eldargal]

Underarm can be used too, especially with a mace or something can get some rotary power happening in addition to momentum. But its not the best way of handling a sword.

[Erik Setzer]

No way they kill Harley for Joker to be able to get all angry and nasty (nastier?). That'd just be stupid. Especially as he's never really shown much concern for her, and has at various times punched her, tortured her, and done all sorts of horrible things to her, to the point it was getting weird that they kept trying to write her as being in love with him. (And at one point, at least, she was finally done with him and disillusioned with him because I guess she had a moment of clarity and realized that a truly abusive relationship isn't "fun.")

[Mr Mystery]

So why dive into goopstuff to save her?

The whole tragedy of Harley is indeed just how utterly ambivalent Joker is towards her.

I'm tellin' ya.

Mangst.

[Erik Setzer]

Maybe that's not what's actually happening? It's hard to tell what's going on in a lot of the scenes. Probably not a bad thing, since they're not trying to give us the whole movie (looking at you, Batman v Superman!).

[Mr Mystery]

Dunno.

Body language suggests tenderness....and they have made Killer Croc look like

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/new-monster/images/3/38/Mariomovie4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130729143225

[Erik Setzer]

Aw, come on, that's not a fair comparison. At least "Killer Croc" looks like a human/croc hybrid and that makes sense, as opposed to that monstrosity.

Also, they pretty much just went back to his original look. It's changed over the years, but I like this concept.

http://www.comicnoize.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/batcover2.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Still looks like a Goomba.....

I've got a horrible feeling they're trying to out-Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy.....

I remain unconvinced, but open to pleasant surprise.

[eldargal]

So why dive into goopstuff to save her?

The whole tragedy of Harley is indeed just how utterly ambivalent Joker is towards her.

I'm tellin' ya.

Mangst.

What they seem to have done is sadly what the comic have done, which is make Joker responsible for Harbecoming a supervillain and stripping her of all agency in the process. He shoves her in the good, it bleaches her skin and screws up her hair, he drags her out and blahdiblah. Whereas before, she chose to become a supervillain after getting to know him as his psychiatrist.

Killer Croc does look stupid.

[Mr Mystery]

So, if my suspicion is correct and it is Mangst, can you advise us what the safe-zone from your inevitable (and entirely justified) wrath is likely to be?

Because I don't want to die just yet :(

[Kirsten]

I expect I will watch it at some point, but they seem to have missed the point pretty hard on a lot of the characters. so I can't say it bothers me overly, as my expectations are so low to begin with :p

[Gotthammer]

https://40.media.tumblr.com/a9190933eaa4da936f91fde85de66d0c/tumblr_o1av6i9Kng1qibyrio1_1280.png

https://41.media.tumblr.com/a8ec5555cf2dda8f2517397c43e6d40c/tumblr_o16tpuKduR1qj5yg0o1_1280.png


reblog if jared leto frightened u while you were just trying to make ur film

jared leto put a note in my sneakers that just said “are feet shoes?” and since that dreadful day i have not known peace.

once jared leto put a sticky note on my geometry homework saying “Are Squares Rectangles?” and I still haven’t slept to this day

jared leto married my mom and keeps reminding me I’m allowed to call him dad if I want to

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jared leto: its f*cked up how there are like 1000 christmas songs but only 1 song aboutr the boys being back in town

david ayer: oh my god oh my god the world isn't ready for this guy

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Jared Leto:You can't spell listen without silent

Director:hOLY sh*t

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jared leto: welcum to mai kitchien…… we have bananis……… and avocadis……….

director: (shivering) like, is he jared, or is he the joker? oh god, ive created a monster…… i can never go into a kitchen again…………

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jared leto::) i have 7 gf's :) i listen to john lemon :) i saw weed 3 times :) i have 9 abs :)

director:*sweating profusely* god damn. jared is gone. he's the joker now

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jared leto: so a few days ago……. i went on club penguin… and told a kid to go f*ck himself

director: it’s like. i don’t know where he ends & the joker begins……. what have i done.. where will it cease

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jared leto:if there were two guys on the moon and one of them killed the other with a rock would that be f*cked up or what

director:my god, i can't tell where the joker ends and jared begins

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jared leto: *listens to linkin park*

director: is he jared right now… or is he the joker…

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jared leto: come to the dark side, we have cookies >:)

director: so convincing…. its as if the joker were here with us..

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jared leto as the joker: eeny meenie miney moe… i’m gonna kill batman and eat his toes

suicide squad director: f*cking cut. f*cking cut. holy sh*t i’m scared as f*ck

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Jared Leto: real eyes realize real lies

Director: is he.. the joker…?

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jared leto:when i was younger, i used to go on nick.com... without my parents' permission

director:my god.... i can't tell where the joker ends and he begins... brilliant

[Kirsten]

Lol

[Mr Mystery]

Sounds about right.

[Gotthammer]

In case you need more Joker Leto nonsense:

https://41.media.tumblr.com/3bf2f2c62d6b0b7e87521a9d1f5f57db/tumblr_o1adspQ9P61qamq0jo1_1280.jpg


Jared leto:i once asked my mom to get me some cough medicin... Y'know, for my cough.

Director:*sweats* Jared please...

Jared leto:But i didn't really have a cough!

Director:Jared is gone now, there is only the Joker

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jared leto: god backwards is dog so if i go outside and kill a dog right now, would i be killing god??

david ayer: *sweating* oh no… the joker has fully taken control… im praying 4 u jared i know you’re in there somewhere!

jared leto: dude it’s just a quest-

david ayer: don’t come any closer you twisted clown fREAK !11!!1

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jared leto:i put milk in my cereal FIRST

director:holy f*cking sh*t this is it guys, i'm locking myself up in the bathroom, t- this is the joker, i brought him to life

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Jared Leto:*Unwraps kit kat bar. Bites without breaking in half*

Director:*Sweating excessively* I PUSHED HIM TOO FAR. THERE IS NO MORE JARED. ONLY THE JOKER.

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director of Suicide Squad:So I told Jared to lay down on the floor.. he actually did it the absolute madman was it Jared or was it JOKER???

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Jared Leto:*clicks "I have read the Terms and Agreement" box without reading it*

Director:Sh*t....it's like he's been the Joker this entire time....

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Jared leto:some people like dogs, some people like cats

Director:*shaking in his boots* Jared please, i have a family.

Jared leto:but i don't like either!

Director:*faints on Will Smith*

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“The crew went to Starbucks one day after filming, and when jared leto got up to the counter to order, he gave them the name ‘Joker’. This time, i don’t even think he was kidding.”

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https://41.media.tumblr.com/4c14591286631927a5c064289a3f1099/tumblr_o1bv3lHDNI1qc2reuo1_1280.png

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Jared Leto:*draws the illuminati symbol below the word Capitalism on a post it note*

Suicide Squad Director:oh sh I T WHAT HAVE I DONE

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Jared Leto:*uploads a song onto YouTube without express permission from the copyright holder*

Director:Dear god. I've unleashed a monstrous beast onto this world. Lord forgive me.

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Jared Leto:How can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real

Director:*shaking in fear* Holy sh*t....he's lost his mind, he's...become the Joker

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Jared Leto:Champagne for my real friends, real pain for my sham friends.

David Ayer:AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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Jared Leto:*doesn't look both ways when crossing the street*

Director:i can't...we've pushed him off the edge...he's become the joker...please stop htis is supposed to be pg-13...

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Jared Leto:Jingle bells....batman smells...

Director:Holy sh*t...is he getting in character to play Joker?!? Or is Joker something that's been in him all along......

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jared leto: i went to barnes n nobles an i put all the bibles in the fiction section

director: this is too much……everyone on set keep your distance from the joker……..

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Director(to cameraman): Alright can we redo that panning shot? I want a bit more speed to add to the…

Jared: I don’t know CAN YOU?

Director:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/d4af8b32b88cb8cd3b2d7a658a7b045c/tumblr_inline_o1bizrwtRQ1rr1rae_540.jpg

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Jared Leto: -doesn’t pet a dog that’s excited to see him-

David Ayer: It’s like…The Joker is playing…the role of…Jared Leto…

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Jared Leto:Remember the Behind The Music of Creed, when it got real bad and they were doing TWO shots of whiskey before they went on stage?

David Ayer:Yeah.

Jared Leto:I just did THREE shots of whiskey in my trailer, just now, before I came on set.

David Ayer:I . . . I'm going to have to quit. I don't think it's safe to make this film. You guys, am I the only one that's worried that Jared has lost himself and become The Joker™?

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*Jared Leto and Director playing Sm4sh between takes*

Jared Leto: *Picks Dark Pit*

Director: Oh no…… Oh my God….. Oh Lord what kind of monster have I created?

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jared leto:*gives himself a fake injection with a mechanical pencil*

suicide squad director:
https://31.media.tumblr.com/94de562753159f0c33700a91536aac3b/tumblr_inline_o1bdpkesbT1rt2ewl_500.gif

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jared leto: *steps on his dogs foot by accident*

director: where does the joker end and he begin

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jared Leto:Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise? It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith so powerful and so wise, he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create...life. He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about...from dying. He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power...which, eventually of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew. Then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death...but not himself.

Suicide Squad Director:holy sh*t... what have i done... he IS the joker...

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Jared Leto:Hey everyone how's it going.

Director:hoLY F*cK!! Jared is gone... he's the joker now... what have we done




On a more serious note:


I can’t believe there are people trying to scold mentally ill people for the jared leto meme because “Leto might be actually ‘driving himself really-for-realz crazy’ through his gross overblown ableist portrayal of the Joker, an ignorant fetishistic collection of mental illness stereotypes off which he, Leto, intends to make a pile of money”

[Mr Mystery]

The more I hear, the more convinced I become he's an absolute ****.

[eldargal]

Oh that was just great lol.:p I'm really hoping its all marketing BS and htey kill Joker off like 10 minutes into the film and then the rest of it is actually really good.

[Mr Mystery]

Not with the size of Jared Leto's ego.

[eldargal]

Yup. Though at least most of the bad things in the trailer are relating to him and its an ensemble film so fingers crossed. Though the voices in her head scene with Harley Quinn was pretty bad too. Oh well. At least I'm liking the looks of Dawn of Justice and the Wonder Woman movie so far.

[Mr Mystery]

Harley isn't convincing as Harley if you ask me.

It's not looking quite as dire as I feared....but still pretty bobbins.

[Erik Setzer]

Pft. I'd do the "voices in my head" think in that situation. (Actually, I think I might have done that once or twice, albeit not in prison.) It's a fun trick if you want to play around with people who think you're crazier than you really are.

I'm not sure if they've changed her since the Suicide Squad comics I read from 2-3 years ago, but I get the feeling some of you wouldn't like where they took her character in those comics. She seems like someone who's actually quite sane and only puts on the crazy act to mess with people or when people expect it, but has it all together when she needs to. No swinging a mallet and saying "Sweetums!" or "Mistah J!" or anything else cringe-worthy. (Actually, by that point, she'd seen Joker as the evil raving lunatic he was and hated him. Given the amount of abuse he directed at her, that makes more sense than her continuously going back to someone who was almost certainly literally trying to kill her just for laughs and/or because Joker is kind of an *******.)

[YorkNecromancer]

See, I hate Leto, which is why I think he's pretty spot-on casting for the Joker, because the point of the Joker is that he's just a colossal, narcissistic bell-end.

I'm kind of hoping he's the first Joker everyone actually hates and wants to die, rather than, you know, thinks how cool he is because of how evil he is.

[Mr Mystery]

Nah.

He'd just make me hate the pretentious egotist portraying the character.

Well, hate him more.

[Morgrim]

My thought on reading the list of pranks was to wonder if the people involved have done any other movies? The behind the scenes of Van Helsing kept talking about David Wenham (actor who played Carl) and Shuler Hensley (actor who played Frankenstein's monster) kept trying to drag their costars into their prank war. Which included changing ringtones and leaving odd notes about the place and comically overacting rhetorical situations between takes. None of the cast considered this especially abnormal or worrying. Why is it in Suicide Squad?

[Kirsten]

they obviously don't get out much

[eldargal]

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is adding 3 new Guardians to the team, (http://www.themarysue.com/new-gotg-crew/) and two of them are women, so that's pretty nice. Gender ratio going from 1 in 5 to 3 in 8.

[Erik Setzer]

Guardians of the Galaxy 2 is adding 3 new Guardians to the team, (http://www.themarysue.com/new-gotg-crew/) and two of them are women, so that's pretty nice. Gender ratio going from 1 in 5 to 3 in 8.

In the comic currently, it's still pretty much a 1-in-6 ratio, but at least she's the leader, despite what Rocket thinks. Current crew is Kitty Pryde using the Star-Lord name (and outfit, basically), Drax, The Thing, Venom, Rocket Raccoon and Groot (though I'm not sure Groot really has a gender, being a tree?). Gamora's showed up, but not as part of the team (though that might change).

But I think trying to worry much about any particular group's makeup in the comics is kind of pointless, because it's kind of all over the place. You have New Avengers with, IIRC, three women in the group itself and three guys, two of whom are a couple. You've got A-Force, which is all women. You've got All-New Avengers which has Ms. Marvel, Thor (Jane Foster), Spider-Man (Miles version), Iron Man, Vision, and Nova (the new kid Nova)... so that's a 2/4 split, but also half the squad's kids. I think Uncanny Avengers is 2 women, three men? I can't remember exactly. I'm not counting Steve Rogers because he's the grumpy old man (for now... that's changing in the near future) leading from home base, but Rogue is the leader in the field. Ultimates is a 3/2 split in favor of women, with Captain Marvel leading (and Ms. America is lesbian, so that's got a little more diversity covered). You can just go through all the groups and find various ratios, and you'll kind a good mix of ethnicity, gender, religion, and sexual preference.

The only place it's really "in your face" much is Sam Wilson's run as Captain America, but that comic is kind of flawed by having way too much political commentary that makes absolutely no sense (the bad guy does this weird monologue that sounds like a Democrat explaining why socialism is bad, though it doesn't actually fit the actions of the villain, so it's just shoehorned in there for no reason, much like another issue where the same group of bad guys are kidnapping people at the border but are shouting about being protectors of the border, claiming they're a "militia," and shouting about the Second Amendment when you know their gear isn't even remotely legal, and anyone observing them knows they aren't demonstrating what they're saying, so why the heck are they shouting it other than someone felt it'd be a good idea to mock Trump supporters and Tea Party people in a way that doesn't fit the story? When they're not doing that kind of stuff, Sam Wilson's fun as Captain America (though the Capwolf thing might be going on a bit too long), and Misty Knight as his partner (sure as heck ain't no "sidekick") is awesome. They did also do the obligatory "Lots of people go hardcore racist about black Cap," but the silliest was when someone said something like, "He's a socialist AND a werewolf? Not MY Captain America!" *Sigh.*

At least with Thor, it was only four awkward over-the-top pages, and that's it. Most of the time when someone brings up her gender, it's to point out that it's clearly a pretender as Thor, because Thor isn't a woman. Oh, and Thor's missing an arm, which too many people know. And he's moping in the taverns. And Odin's kind of a lunatic jerk.

And I've spent way too much time going on and on about comics. Sorry, my nerd is coming out, and I've been enjoying Marvel's newer series for the most part. (Though Unbeatable Squirrel Girl could do with an artist whose work doesn't make your eyes bleed.)

[Mr Mystery]

Agent Carter is back tomorrow night!

[eldargal]

Agent Carter is very good, as one might expect.

Also caught up on the new Captain America: Sam Wilson comic which has delightfully upset so many right wing nutjobs in America on account of making a black character Captain America and also dealing with issues like immigration and such, it is very good too.

[Charistoph]

Agent Carter is very good, as one might expect.

Also caught up on the new Captain America: Sam Wilson comic which has delightfully upset so many right wing nutjobs in America on account of making a black character Captain America and also dealing with issues like immigration and such, it is very good too.

Being right wing doesn't make you racist. There are as many left wing racist nut-jobs out there as right wing nut jobs. Racism isn't about political leanings, it's about stupid hatred.

[Erik Setzer]

Also caught up on the new Captain America: Sam Wilson comic which has delightfully upset so many right wing nutjobs in America on account of making a black character Captain America and also dealing with issues like immigration and such, it is very good too.

Also upset left-wing nutjobs. (And the "right wing" in America these days is pretty much just a slightly less left wing.)

Didn't really deal with immigration. It shoehorned something about immigration in there in a way that didn't really mesh with the story. Ditto the weird shouted slogans about militias and Second Amendment from guys who weren't a militia and weren't following the law and basically just seemed to be trying to throw such people under the bus to cover themselves. (Hmm. The comic would actually make sense to some conspiracy theorists, then.)

Similarly, the bad guy making some speech to chained-up Capwolf that didn't match his actions, and Capwolf making a ridiculous quip about Ayn Rand (who, were she alive and those people in the comics real, would have told off the Serpent Solutions guys). But heck, it's a story line where we're really to believe that corporations would eagerly go along with murderous terrorists to somehow help their companies, when such terrorists are willing to gun down members of management in the board room, something that would be much too easy to notice, really hard to cover up, and would get the corporation in trouble (along with their ties to terrorists)... all trouble that isn't worth the minute aid that SS might be able to render in... something? Yes, that story line would make left wing nutjobs in America (and elsewhere) giddy, but it's unrealistic and absolutely stupid. No one would claim that polluted air is "free market demand for filtration systems and gas masks." And while it's absolutely true that many - most, really - of the laws regarding businesses are unconstitutional, the US Constitution does state, in the Bill of Rights, "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." So making a claim that the Constitution doesn't "promise clean air" is silly, especially as the opening statements are "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." While some take "general welfare" too far and think it means they can pass a law forcing you to give a corporation money under the guise of "protecting your health" (a ploy that left wing nutjobs begged for and got passed, mind you), it simply means that any law punishing someone for causing harm to others is absolutely okay... and pollution is harm done to others and others' right to property and life.

Basically, the people most likely to actually know what the Constitution says (and what Ayn Rand actually wrote) - something that does seem to exclude the left wing nutjobs and the less-left left wing nutjobs in America - know that what the guy is saying is bollocks. It neither works under an objectivist standpoint (Rand), nor a Constitutional standpoint, nor a libertarian standpoint.

It's political pandering that is not only inaccurate, but, again, doesn't make sense with the story, which is jarring and hurts the comic.

If you're a left wing nutjob and you like saying inaccurate and straight up false things because you think it hurts "the other side," sure, maybe you enjoy a disjointed set of dialogue in a comic pandering to the same kind of morons who'll simultaneously claim anyone with money is evil and didn't earn it and is the scum of the earth while buying a ticket hoping to be the sole winner of a $1.3 billion Powerball payout which literally would involve them putting in zero effort and put them in even worse territory than the "evil" they decry. (Amusingly, their payout, even if they didn't opt for the lump sum payout that chops off a good chunk, would be reduced by over 50%, because it's "income." These idiots wanting a $1.3B payout don't realize they also cried out for the laws that mean they won't take home half of that.)

Gee, isn't all this talk of politics fun?

No, no it isn't. Because you're going to try to tell me I'm wrong, and I really don't have the patience to debate (especially after spending the week dealing with so much BS from Sanders and Trump supporters that I've pretty much lost faith in humanity, and certainly no longer believe in intelligence existing in the average person), and such debate has no place in comics, because they're entertainment, not a platform to spread any political party's propaganda, especially not at the expense of the story.

As for me, as a libertarian who believes in the Constitution and would thus be called a "right wing nutjob" by so many people, I'm fine with having a black Cap (though they're still making Steve Cap again, so it'll be a black Cap *and* a white Cap), and I'm okay with a new hispanic Falcon, and I'm fine with a hispanic lesbian calling herself "Miss America," or a Muslim Pakistani superhero (Ms. Marvel, for those who don't know), or an all-female superhero team, or Jane Foster handling Mjolnir and being a female "Thor" (albeit loaning a name as a title, which seems a bit odd), or any of that. (Then again, I also feel like if two men want to marry each other and start up a pot farm and defend it with guns, they have every right to, because they're not hurting anyone. And if they want to start a bakery and sell pot brownies or bake cakes and deny service to Christians, that's fine with me, because said Christians can do down the street and buy from someone else, so they aren't being hurt at all.)

[eldargal]

Being right wing doesn't make you racist. There are as many left wing racist nut-jobs out there as right wing nut jobs. Racism isn't about political leanings, it's about stupid hatred.

It shouldn't, but it does. Virtually every right wing party in the West right now runs on a platform which includes racist policies. There are plenty of left wing racists too, but they weren't the ones having hysterics over a black Captain America taking on racist anti immigration militias.

[Charistoph]

It shouldn't, but it does. Virtually every right wing party in the West right now runs on a platform which includes racist policies. There are plenty of left wing racists too, but they weren't the ones having hysterics over a black Captain America taking on racist anti immigration militias.

Incorrect. Racism would have to recognize a person's race in the first place.

Right-wing policies ignore race and pay more attention to what can be done and should be done.

Most left-wing policies think that certain races cannot do anything on their own so try and force others to pay so they can have something they did not work for. This leads to a certain amount of laziness that gets confirmed as a "right" so that many do not do anything on their own.

Oddly enough, this affects all races and is more dependent on economic status than any skin color or continental origin of ancestors. Though, it is a sad fact that certain races in America started in a low economic position (oddly enough due to their neighbors' actions of their own race more often than not), and, up until relatively recently, also because of a furtherance of an unsupportable feeling of superiority and forgetting the lessons of their own religion. This combination of factors means that a higher proportion of minority races were kept in low economic status and not allowed easy access to progress.

That has changed throughout the country (but not by any means, all). But because of beliefs mentioned earlier, and some people who think that Selma never happened (or even the Civil War), many do not take advantage of the situations they do have.

As a Northern European-ancestory Male from a middle income family it is actually harder for me to receive any financial aid than it is for females of the same race or those those ancestry is from Africa or through countries south of us. Some government agencies actually give advantage to those who have trespassed against the laws of the land over their law-abiding, tax-paying citizens so long as their skin color isn't white.

If you are referring to a certain RNC candidate who wants to suspend ingress from countries who are largely populated by Muslims, remember that Islam is not a race, and every country in question has powerful factions who if not in control are still influential and seek to destroy our country and government. Suspension of ingress from hostile areas in times of hostilities is standard practice for all nations, especially till practices can be ensured to separate insurgents from refugees.

It is racist to think that every motive a white man has is racist, especially when it has been a standard procedure that has been used since such concepts as borders and immigration have existed.

[Kirsten]

Incorrect. Racism would have to recognize a person's race in the first place.

Right-wing policies ignore race and pay more attention to what can be done and should be done.

ok, that is just incorrect on so many levels. right wing politics is far more racist than left, that is a simple fact. right wing politics do not ignore race at all.

[Erik Setzer]

It shouldn't, but it does. Virtually every right wing party in the West right now runs on a platform which includes racist policies. There are plenty of left wing racists too, but they weren't the ones having hysterics over a black Captain America taking on racist anti immigration militias.

Except there is no "Captain America taking on racist anti immigration militias." It was a super-villain's organization that doesn't care one bit for laws, immigration (one way or the other), or race, and certainly isn't a militia.

The only people who can't figure that out are the people who love to buy into their own offensive stereotyping political BS and like that it backs up their personal views even though, again, it's not accurate and makes no freaking sense in the context of the story.

Since you clearly didn't read the story: They weren't there to do something to protest an out-of-control government, execute constitutional rights, or stop immigration. They were AIDING the immigration! They were wanting people to cross because they could use people with no record on the system as test subjects. That has nothing to do with fighting immigration, legal or otherwise!

This is why I hate politics. Either you didn't bother reading the story, or you did, and ignored the story itself in favor of some weird narrative you created in your head that matches your political views.

It's fine, that puts you on board with lots of other people. You're equivalent to the people who claim sex crimes are up in Norway because of refugees, or claim that a school is forcing girls to "follow Sharia law" to visit a mosque, or claim the Pope supported Kim Davis, or any of a bunch of other ridiculous nonsense inaccurate claims that people blindly go along with because it fits their narrow-minded hateful political views (and damned right the "left" in every country is just as hateful as the "right" and is no more correct in doing so).

[Charistoph]

ok, that is just incorrect on so many levels. right wing politics is far more racist than left, that is a simple fact. right wing politics do not ignore race at all.

Just because left-wing media reports everything they do as racist does not mean it is racist. There is far more racism in left-wing politics than in right-wing. Left-wing politics do not believe minority races can do anything without a help up. Left-wing politics believe the white man (except for those enlightened few) are responsible for everything including the dinosaurs dying out.

There are more business politics in the right-wing than racist politics. Unfortunately, a lot of old money used to invest in businesses are owned as much by left-wing closet racists as they are by right-wing racists.

So, again, racism isn't about which wing you are on, it is about how much of an idiotic nut job you are.

[Erik Setzer]

ok, that is just incorrect on so many levels. right wing politics is far more racist than left, that is a simple fact. right wing politics do not ignore race at all.

Um, no. It's not a "fact" that "right wing" (aka "not quite as far left wing") politics are "far more" racist, or any more racist, than "left wing" politics.

Just look at the US president. Did you know he has a white mother, who raised him, along with his white grandparents? You probably don't, and who can blame you? The moment anyone talks about how pathetically bad his politics are, it's all, "Oh, they're racist because he's black!" BULL****! Barack Obama is as white as he is black, genetically! They're basing commentary on skin color, and in the process, spitting on the woman who raised him.

Police are out of control all over, not just against black people... but that's all the "left" will talk about, is when bad stuff happens to black people when done by white people. See, it's important to note "when done by white people." Chicago, where Obama came from, and where "left wing" guys got their way so much, is a hotbed of black people killing each other, and rather than admit that's even happening so they can examine the issues causing it and actually correct them, they ignore it so they can trump up "white vs black." They pass through laws targeting one race over another, which is the very definition of racist... and more often than not, it's done so they can keep racial tensions as high as can be, so they can play off of it for votes.

These are "simple facts" but they're ignored, because they don't fit a convenient narrative that is as much horse manure as Donald Trump's garbage over Muslims. (And you should do some research on Trump's past, the man has spent a lot of time championing "left wing" politics. But it's a similar story when you look at a lot of the candidates. Romney was basically an even whiter version of Obama, but claimed otherwise. Obama claimed he was going to close Gitmo and get out of all the wars, but Gitmo's still there, there's more spying on citizens than ever, assassinations, he's going to war with more countries (and if you're dumb enough to claim bombing a country isn't going to war with them, then I guess Pearl Harbor was just a "police action"), he's doing so many things that he's basically just eight more years of Bush with an abhorrent law tacked on that says you better pay certain corporations money every year or the government will steal money from you (likely to give tax breaks to said corporations).

"Left," "right," two sides of the same horrible coin, both are about holding you down, and people eat it up because they want to control others' lives and will decide not to notice when their own lives are being controlled. But God forbid we should suggest people have the right to do whatever they want with their homes, their relationships, their sex lives, their bodies, their money, etc., so long as they don't harm someone else. Goodness, such freedom! We can't allow humanity to have it!

[Psychosplodge]

Also upset left-wing nutjobs. (And the "right wing" in America these days is pretty much just a slightly less left wing.)

You may feel like that but our "Right" is somewhere to the left or your left and if it was as far right as your right they'd probably be considered far right.
At least that's what the news feels like anyway.

[eldargal]

Lots of bollocks

God, white men with a victimisation complex are so boring.

[Alaric]

God, white men with a victimisation complex are so boring.

God, women who complain aboot the same things over and over while doing nothing to help the situation are boring.

Fortunately for me they do provide entertainment once in a while.

Aaah EG and her snipes. Is all good, I will always be here to remind you that you mean nothin at all.

[eldargal]

Speaking of boring white men, Angela: Queen of Hel recently introduced Bor, father of Odin:
http://40.media.tumblr.com/92463e99fabe32686aeb8469ed5b7077/tumblr_o1o12nHEOr1sgr6zyo1_500.jpg

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Everyone should read Angela: Queen of Hel, its got a lesbian lead and her trans girlfriend and its written by Marguerite Bennett who is one of the best writers in the industry at the moment.

[Mr Mystery]

Speaking of Thor.....

Ragnarok has Cate Blanchett confirmed.

The film. Not the predicted end of the world.

[eldargal]

Yup, a lot of people think she might end up playing Hela, queen of Hel.
http://40.media.tumblr.com/bc5448570c29a24e16ba63664397c7b4/tumblr_mhuyyr37gF1rmgzodo1_1280.jpg

[Mr Mystery]

Would make sense, and she'd certainly add gravitas to the role - and I think she could balance Loki out quite nicely.

Seems the Director's main concern is making Thor the main character!

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Oh shiiii, I think I'm in love. She looks awesome. -goes to search out comics- and in green and black even <3.<3

[eldargal]

She's pretty great, become one of my favourite Asgardian characters since I got into comics.:)

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a3/77/e1/a377e17a20fd0615b55dfc49d1a2e898.jpg

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

She's pretty great, become one of my favourite Asgardian characters since I got into comics.:)

Is she as dominant in personality as she looks? :D I do love powerful women.

[eldargal]

Yup.:)

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You could even say she is Hela dominant...

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Yup.:)

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You could even say she is Hela dominant...

http://images6.fanpop.com/image/answers/3319000/3319769_1375258150986.98res_500_258.jpg

(have you seen the anime Claymore yet?)

[Kirsten]

Claymore is awesome, aside from the last couple of episodes.

[Mr Mystery]

I like how her bodysuit is pretty much just an Asgardian take on a Skellington Morphsuit.

[Kirsten]

Um, no. It's not a "fact" that "right wing" (aka "not quite as far left wing") politics are "far more" racist, or any more racist, than "left wing" politics.

Just look at the US president. Did you know he has a white mother, who raised him, along with his white grandparents? You probably don't, and who can blame you? The moment anyone talks about how pathetically bad his politics are, it's all, "Oh, they're racist because he's black!" BULL****! Barack Obama is as white as he is black, genetically! They're basing commentary on skin color, and in the process, spitting on the woman who raised him.

yes they are, just look at the US nominations. it is a fact that ring wing politics is more racist than left wing politics. trying to deny that is really quite pathetic.

of course, everybody knows Obama's family tree, because the Republicans desperately tried to prove that he wasn't american with it. you are not doing yourself any favours.

the US police force, and many others, has a clearly identifiable issue with race. again, that is very straightforward.

[Erik Setzer]

Everyone should read Angela: Queen of Hel, its got a lesbian lead and her trans girlfriend and its written by Marguerite Bennett who is one of the best writers in the industry at the moment.

The "lesbian lead and trans girlfriend" aren't the reason to read it. Well, the characters are, but their being lesbian or trans doesn't figure into the equation of why someone should read it. A crappy comic that happened to have a lesbian lead with a trans girlfriend wouldn't be worth reading. Angela works because it's an interesting story and a good read.

The series is a bit jarring for those of us who remember the character in her original form (not the lesbian part, just the story around her), and wedging her in as Thor's sister seems rather forced, but otherwise it's all good. Guess those are just side effects of trying to hammer a character from a series about a spawn of Hell fighting both Heaven and Hell into a setting about Norse mythology and superheroes. Could have done without the family relation, though. The character can stand on her own without that unnecessary connection.

I'm also a little concerned about Sera being a bit too open with the literal "Handmaiden." Hard to tell if she was being flirty with her or not, and describing Angela "in detail" seems a bit inappropriate. Must have been awfully lonely in Hel's dungeon. :eek:

[Morgrim]

The series is a bit jarring for those of us who remember the character in her original form (not the lesbian part, just the story around her), and wedging her in as Thor's sister seems rather forced, but otherwise it's all good. Guess those are just side effects of trying to hammer a character from a series about a spawn of Hell fighting both Heaven and Hell into a setting about Norse mythology and superheroes. Could have done without the family relation, though. The character can stand on her own without that unnecessary connection.

I suspect part of THAT mess if that whomever started the Thor series utterly messed up the relationships in the first place. Loki is supposed to be Odin's adopted brother and Thor's uncle, and Hela Loki's only daughter. As soon as Marvel made Loki Thor's brother and Odin's adoptive son the family tree of the rest became utterly snarled.

[Erik Setzer]

Inane political ramblings of hypocrisy favoring preferred side

The proper response for this is way too harsh for a topic about Superhero comics. There's no way to respond kindly, so I'll just leave it without response.

This kind of stuff? That's why political crap doesn't belong in comics. ESPECIALLY when it doesn't fit the freaking story, which is one of the biggest problems in Sam Wilson - Captain America (need to have the full name thanks to the upcoming Steve Rogers - Captain America series). The stuff that got thrown in there didn't fit the story at all, and feels like someone had an ax to grind and decided to use a comic to do it.

[Erik Setzer]

I suspect part of THAT mess if that whomever started the Thor series utterly messed up the relationships in the first place. Loki is supposed to be Odin's adopted brother and Thor's uncle, and Hela Loki's only daughter. As soon as Marvel made Loki Thor's brother and Odin's adoptive son the family tree of the rest became utterly snarled.

They sorted out most of that, and it's fine if it doesn't match actual Norse mythology. It just feels forced that when they got Angela from Image, they decided she had to be Thor's sister, rather than an unrelated character who was also important. She stands well on her own without having to be part of that dysfunctional family.

Speaking of Loki, his appearance in Thor recently has been amusing. His "true" father still hates him and would like to see him dead. Not sure if he was actually trying to gain favor with his father by proving himself, but I love that he used words alone to get all these "strong warriors" to kill themselves, and when his father said, "You were supposed to fight them," he basically said, "Yeah, well, I'm not physically strong enough to fight like that, I fight with words, and you can see it works." Not sure where he's going with Thor, though. Does he really want to help, or not? (And what is up with him having two dozen versions of himself in his head?) I did find it amusing that Thor (Jane Foster) just kept hitting him rather than listening to him... but she does have a reason to hate him.

Not really related to Angela, but on the topic of Loki, I still chuckle at his appearance in Ms. Marvel and the later callback to that with the End of Days stuff. He left "watchers" at the high school and, when some people tried to cause trouble, these creatures came out of the ground and chased them, saying things like "To be pwned by Loki is a great honor" (yes, pwned, not owned) while students cheered "Yay, Hipster Viking Dude!" It's hard not to think of Loki without thinking "Hipster Viking Dude" now, or that "pwned by Loki" phrase.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

I like how her bodysuit is pretty much just an Asgardian take on a Skellington Morphsuit.

i think it looks a bit necrony, we got similar dress sense, I want her number.

[Mr Mystery]

666?

And in other news, totes just booked for Deadpool.

After near seven years waiting, I can finally see him on the big screen!

[Alaric]

666?

And in other news, totes just booked for Deadpool.

After near seven years waiting, I can finally see him on the big screen!

Back when I bought Deadpool #1 I never thought that hoser would get a movie lol

[Mr Mystery]

Interesting article about female Judges in Judge Dredd - my favourite strip evar. (http://judgeanon.tumblr.com/post/138323182320/a-short-history-of-female-judges-in-judge-dredd)

Interesting how their reaction to a fan letter was seemingly 'Erm....****. You've totes got a point, we'll get right on that'

[eldargal]

DC Collectibles remembers women exist:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/926330c0b935bded90a7c4c1d8d342ae/tumblr_o2en6jTWVY1ra6vqwo1_1280.jpg
https://40.media.tumblr.com/a32b941989ecc0231265bee9635aa777/tumblr_o2en6jTWVY1ra6vqwo3_1280.jpg
https://40.media.tumblr.com/3978cf3ea68bcdec7384bb0beb226868/tumblr_o2en6jTWVY1ra6vqwo4_1280.jpg
https://40.media.tumblr.com/14b7d0d7832f9148274fa7ab6fab6b1b/tumblr_o2en6jTWVY1ra6vqwo5_1280.jpg

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

oh, those are very nice! And cheaper than anime pvc figures...

[eldargal]

Not to be outmatched, Hasbro has proven their Marvel Legends division also remembers women exist (I'm being somewhat mean here, Marvel Legends has been managing a 33% gender ratio consistently for about 2.5 years now which makes it the industry leader in gender representation...):

Jean Grey Phoenix
https://41.media.tumblr.com/e06f7e892d50bc1f898836b2999d5fd9/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo8_1280.jpg
Iceman Cometh:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/b659fe130b77f2ae4cedccf474bec6d5/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo6_1280.jpg
Some chap (Havok?)
https://40.media.tumblr.com/0fe38ecccfbd9cc4f07535c3726ce914/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo5_1280.jpg
Kitty Pryde:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/795109c70f36244e401907eb6cd7bf30/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo7_1280.jpg
Livestream:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/4459d209976e5cc9a729dbc9402d794b/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo1_1280.jpg
Rogue:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/081c44faa123eeef86b2071f08dbde12/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo9_1280.jpg
Cable:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/518c593d6d9eb64427f9b5552bfd5c33/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo10_1280.jpg
Nico Minoru/Sister Grimm:
https://41.media.tumblr.com/1058717289e7865e985e0e6e1e94db00/tumblr_o2i99kMXxj1tl240oo4_1280.jpg
Miles Morales:
https://40.media.tumblr.com/f6b5702d446000735c06c5ee70a56013/tumblr_o2i89mknCB1raankxo1_1280.jpg
Silk
https://41.media.tumblr.com/7f7bce5d1ffbfc0d2497e1f76cfbf569/tumblr_o2i89mknCB1raankxo5_1280.jpg

Also announced but not pictured are Sam Wilson as Captain America and Sam Wilson as Falcon, Kate Bishop Hawkeye and a bunch of other stuff, also proving that Hasbro has remembered black people exist.

[Erik Setzer]

Not to be outmatched, Hasbro has proven their Marvel Legends division also remembers women exist (I'm being somewhat mean here, Marvel Legends has been managing a 33% gender ratio consistently for about 2.5 years now which makes it the industry leader in gender representation...):

To be fair, that's about the gender ration that Marvel comics had prior to the latest bunch. I'd have to do an extensive run-down of the heroes (perhaps when I have more time I will, just out of curiosity), but it seems closer to an even split than ever.

And I seriously need some of those figures. Those are nice!

[eldargal]

https://instagram.fmel1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/12599005_1646489492281074_1176505011_n.jpg
Yay Crossovers.

[Charistoph]

https://instagram.fmel1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/t51.2885-15/e35/12599005_1646489492281074_1176505011_n.jpg
Yay Crossovers.

Boo, Supergirl is not on Hulu and I don't have an antenna!

Though, seriously, that is my only complaint.