Dont-Be-Haten
09-27-2011, 07:19 AM
So I'm a complete noob and only new to 8th edition (because its where I'm starting out playing). The general topic here is that I keep seeing all of these people on the forums saying that ballistic skill has been nerfed; and what not (/insert a whole lot of whinning and complaining from peeps) but I don't see it. If anything ballistic skills are very much the same as they've always been. And from the old veterans that I've talked to not a whole lot has really changed in Warhammer since they all stopped playing. If anything from what I understand 8th edition is a revamped older edition of 4th or so. This is all my speculation and from someone just starting so let's get started!
In all honesty everything I've talked to them about pretty much seems to be the same as 4th and a bit 5th edition. And reading the older rule books in conjuction with the new rulebook on magic and ballistic weapons, magic has basically stayed the same and BS have actually gotten better than all this nerfage I keep hearing about. Seige weapons are especially amazing now that they are able to measure before they shoot; and of course I'm not just talking about template seiges either. I mean long bows having a range of 30" and regular bows have a range of 24" which means they can just about go off from turn one if I read the rules correctly. So once again; where is the problem? I mean archers are now allowed to shoot in ranks of two rather than just the first rank, maybe their points have increased a little but nothing seriously wrong with they way I see it. From 4th to 8th ballistic skills are the same, only you get to messure before you shoot now; that's actually really much improved, and you can't shoot into CC anymore. But for some reason there are a ton of people out there who don't like the "change." I keep seeing all this mess and apparently they liked 7th edition better; but it seems more balanced to me. Most of the shooty armies I see do rather well in comparison to people who just take dredges of foot soldiers and calvary. So what gives? Is it just people complaining to complain or are they just not conforming to the 8th edition. I know you will have gamer turn-over and that I'm constantly seeing people switch from 40k to Fantasy and vice Versa.
For a new player coming in; if your army can supply archers; you use them cause you have such a great chance at forcing your opponent to come to you while you aggro them with ranged attacks of 10 to 20 and have an average of 4-6+ hits with 10 and 8-11+ hits on 20 with about 5 and 7 wounds per respectively. Which is usually an equivalent to 2 and 4 kills per shooting phase. To me that's still fleeting out numbers of kills for none in return and they can continue per round.
Is the problem that you can no longer shoot into Close combat? making the unit become "static" if the opponent forces you into CC? Or is it something more sinister?
In all honesty everything I've talked to them about pretty much seems to be the same as 4th and a bit 5th edition. And reading the older rule books in conjuction with the new rulebook on magic and ballistic weapons, magic has basically stayed the same and BS have actually gotten better than all this nerfage I keep hearing about. Seige weapons are especially amazing now that they are able to measure before they shoot; and of course I'm not just talking about template seiges either. I mean long bows having a range of 30" and regular bows have a range of 24" which means they can just about go off from turn one if I read the rules correctly. So once again; where is the problem? I mean archers are now allowed to shoot in ranks of two rather than just the first rank, maybe their points have increased a little but nothing seriously wrong with they way I see it. From 4th to 8th ballistic skills are the same, only you get to messure before you shoot now; that's actually really much improved, and you can't shoot into CC anymore. But for some reason there are a ton of people out there who don't like the "change." I keep seeing all this mess and apparently they liked 7th edition better; but it seems more balanced to me. Most of the shooty armies I see do rather well in comparison to people who just take dredges of foot soldiers and calvary. So what gives? Is it just people complaining to complain or are they just not conforming to the 8th edition. I know you will have gamer turn-over and that I'm constantly seeing people switch from 40k to Fantasy and vice Versa.
For a new player coming in; if your army can supply archers; you use them cause you have such a great chance at forcing your opponent to come to you while you aggro them with ranged attacks of 10 to 20 and have an average of 4-6+ hits with 10 and 8-11+ hits on 20 with about 5 and 7 wounds per respectively. Which is usually an equivalent to 2 and 4 kills per shooting phase. To me that's still fleeting out numbers of kills for none in return and they can continue per round.
Is the problem that you can no longer shoot into Close combat? making the unit become "static" if the opponent forces you into CC? Or is it something more sinister?