Nogryns

[Admiral Kenaris]

I'm a guard player and every time I come up with a new list I always say to my self that I want to use my Ogryn models but I always run out of points before I get them in. Any other IG players have this problem?

[Morgan Darkstar]

Have you tried putting them in first. try that it may help :p :D

[Drew da Destroya]

Have you tried putting them in first. try that it may help :p :D

Winner!


I guess we'd have to see your list in order to figure out what you'd need to sacrifice in order get Ogryn in. There's a sub-forum for Army lists, might be a good spot?

[SotonShades]

I often find this problem with a lot of lists I write, (both IG and other codicies.) You've got a really cool model or unit you want to include, but then if you try to write a competitive list with it in, somehow the points just slip away...

I think Darkstar has it; write the list around them! It's what I have been doing recently (see my many ork kopta-based threads). Start off with what your model/unit/units, add in the basic FOC around them (unless they all ready fulfil your single HQ/2Troops minimum) and then place in more units to either compliment their strengths or make up for their weaknesses.

I tend to find that I end up with something quite different from the normal list I would write for that codex, but it often works quite well, if a little differently from what you would expect to see at a tournament.

Taking the example of my Deffkoptas; at a recent tournament I took a list using 3 units of 4 Deffkoptas, despite many people saying this list just could not work. I took Nob bikers and a Trukk Boyz squad as fast troops and 2 blob squads of 25+ boyz as blob squads to hold my home objective(s). Obligatory Warboss (generally lumped in with the trukk boyz) and I had my 1500 points. Admittedly on the first day of the tournament I was tabled in every game. That could have more to do with only having 2 hours sleep in the previous 48 hours. Second day though, I convincingly won all of my games with a supposedly weak list.

So my advice to you Admiral Kenaris (may I call you Ken?) would be to take those Ogryns, work out what their main weaknesses are and take a unit or two to compensate. Throw in your Command squad and a vetren squad/platoon or two and then continue to build the list around your Ogryns. Who knows, maybe you will come up with the next Leafblower or Draigowing :)

[Root]

I've only used them in larger games like Spearhead and Apocalypse because I think they're too expensive for normal sized games. That being said they are a heck of a lot of fun to run around playing hulk smash with. IMO they aren't competitive, but if its a beer and pretzels game take a unit. They are very durable and hit really hard against units without amazing armor saves.

[Lord Azaghul]

The problem with ogryn is that they really ARE a sub-par choice in an excellent dex.
The main reason people don't bother with then is a comparatively high price cost.
Its much more cheaper and in game efficent to buy 3 vendettas then 10 ogryn.

[Admiral Kenaris]

I think they could make the Ogryns cooler if they just broke down and said the ripper guns were heavy bolters and gave Ogryns relentless. Letting them hitch a ride in a Valk would be kind of nice too.

[Admiral Kenaris]

The problem with ogryn is that they really ARE a sub-par choice in an excellent dex.
The main reason people don't bother with then is a comparatively high price cost.
Its much more cheaper and in game efficent to buy 3 vendettas then 10 ogryn.

In terms of Ogryns being sup-par in the IG codex, it's not just them, its all Elite choices. Fast Attack used to be the step child of the IG but the Valks and Vendettas changed all that. Elites in general are now the selection that there just does not seem to be any points left over for in a Guard army.

[Admiral Kenaris]

I've only used them in larger games like Spearhead and Apocalypse because I think they're too expensive for normal sized games. That being said they are a heck of a lot of fun to run around playing hulk smash with. IMO they aren't competitive, but if its a beer and pretzels game take a unit. They are very durable and hit really hard against units without amazing armor saves.

Yeah, I'm at least gonna get in an Ogryn fix in an apocalypse game coming up. I think Ogrns jumping out of a Stormlord and then assualting sounds fun.

[Col.Gravis]

... and woe betide that anyone should ever take a 'sub par' unit simply because you like the unit, or the model/s.

News flash folks, this is a game, it is not a matter of life and death, it is not an Olympic sport, it basicly does'nt matter if you win or lose (outside of tournament play at any rate!), its about having fun. People seem to lose sight of this in the battle for list optimisation. If you like a model, or a unit, take it, play a game with it, and have fun!

[Rissan4ever]

... and woe betide that anyone should ever take a 'sub par' unit simply because you like the unit, or the model/s.

News flash folks, this is a game, it is not a matter of life and death, it is not an Olympic sport, it basicly does'nt matter if you win or lose (outside of tournament play at any rate!), its about having fun. People seem to lose sight of this in the battle for list optimisation. If you like a model, or a unit, take it, play a game with it, and have fun!
Well said, Col.

I agree with Darkstar and SotonShades. Build the list around the Ogryns and focus on having fun with it.

[Lord Azaghul]

Well said, Col.

I agree with Darkstar and SotonShades. Build the list around the Ogryns and focus on having fun with it.

Yeah, that's cool...but I've had 1 too many S10 template hit orgyn to find them fun to use. :p

They are just amazingly too fragile for me to have fun with.

[Admiral Kenaris]

... and woe betide that anyone should ever take a 'sub par' unit simply because you like the unit, or the model/s.

News flash folks, this is a game, it is not a matter of life and death, it is not an Olympic sport, it basicly does'nt matter if you win or lose (outside of tournament play at any rate!), its about having fun. People seem to lose sight of this in the battle for list optimisation. If you like a model, or a unit, take it, play a game with it, and have fun!

Off topic but I like to play the praetorian models as well although it is getting more expensive all the time to make additions to my force.

[Brosef Stalin]

I'm still honestly surprised there's no power options for a melee oriented unit. I remember Dawn of War having a Power Bayonet upgrade for Ogryns, back in the day!

[Wildcard]

I would find ogryns to be way more usefull with rending melee attacks, although giving them power weapons would be a bit overkill for such a potentially powerfull and grinding-proof unit.

This would give them even fluffily aspect (ogryns do club and rend stuff after all, right? :) ) ...even though i do not know how much more potent IG in general would become in disposing of both infantry and tanks if ogryns did actually get such a USR..

All in all, i do find them amusing and rather fun to use (and its only infantry unit that has been able to kill my arch nemesis Mephiston)

[whitestar333]

I have a buddy who LOVES ogryns and fields 10-20 on a regular basis with his IG. He says that they are usually his MVPs. Sure, their shooting is close range, but they can often soften things up with their guns and still devastate the enemy with a charge. While there are certain things they don't want to charge (anything with force weapons, for instance), this can often be avoided by softening up the target first or avoiding them entirely. Additionally, a lord commissar running behind them to boost their Ld and an HQ chimera running alongside, in front of, or behind them can issue "Run Run Run!" to make those Ogryn really scary as they barrel down the field towards their targets. With proper support and finesse, they can be quite devastating!