Praeotor Armoured Assault from FW

[DrLove42]

The Praetor shown by FW the other week is now up for order

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/prae3.jpg
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/large/prae1.jpg
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/AlternativeFW/large/prae8.jpg
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/PRAETOR-ARMOURED-ASSAULT-LAUNCHER.html

I like how its designed to close up as well

Rules are here http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/preatorrules1.pdf - Again it comes with "redacted" weapons options. I wonder if thats something new FW are doing with all new things, to make sure people buy the books with the rules in?

Also a new Apoc formation with them in. http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/p/preatorapoc1.pdf . 75 points with more than one to give them a re-rolls on primary weapons save, and make them BS4? Did guard really need more effective AA with the Hydra already being so damn good

[eldargal]

Poo, they need to release some more Eldar. Still, it is pretty.

[DrLove42]

Also just noticed new Contemptor Arms seen at GD

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/kasscannon.jpg
Assault Cannon

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/conheavyb.jpg
Heavy Bolter

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/large/conplasma.jpg
Plasma Cannon

Contemptor rules have been updated to take the new guns and their points

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/c/Contemptor.pdf

[robrodgers46]

I just can't get past how expensive these FW tanks are. I'm a real person with a real job, but it's hard to justify spending over $150 on a single tank.

Rob

[Tynskel]

then don't get one?

The reality is that you aren't just buying a tank. You are buying a centerpiece/terrain/display piece.

Sure you can play with it. However, the Forgeworld models go far beyond playing. They become more an artistic expression piece. $150 for a piece that can become a work of art is inexpensive, by far.

[DrLove42]

Its also more than a tank. Even by the picture above its twice a chimera. And until you;ve had a FW you won't understand just how detailed they are. Tynskels right....they're art as much as model

[wittdooley]

I just can't get past how expensive these FW tanks are. I'm a real person with a real job, but it's hard to justify spending over $150 on a single tank.

Rob

I guess the good thing is that no one is forcing you to. My FW models are worth every $$ I spent on them.

[Gir]

I just can't get past how expensive these FW tanks are. I'm a real person with a real job, but it's hard to justify spending over $150 on a single tank.

Rob

Don't look at the Australian GW site then :)

[Wildcard]

Hmm, the preator weapon "Pilum Warhead" seems to be sort of lame: 2 twinlinked missiles as a primary weapon for super heavy? Even AA mount and long range dont really justify it in my opinion. Although, i must say, that i do not know the rules for "Primary Weapon", is it like ordnance, that you cant shoot any other weapons, or is it outside of "Weapon destroyed results"??

So, what can i get out of the other two, that are still 'hidden'. If you look closely, you can see that the blacked out words and numbers are vaguely readable.

Top weapon option: xx"-yyy" range, str is hard to tell, i'd go for 8, but seeing its most likely AP 3, it would be killer, since type seems to be again Ordnance Barrage 3, (3-5",hard to tell, being larger silhouet than the middle one, i would say 3") primary weapon, twin-linked

Middle weapon option: xx"- yyy" range, str being most likely 9, could be 6 though, ap is clearly 4. Type is ordnance barrage 3, something (could be 5"), Primary weapon, twin-linked, and a 3words that i cant make out.

So, what do you guys/gals think of what i am getting out of the 'mystery' weapons, and how do you see those weapon options being viable / balanced for FUN play (in a sense what can be reasonably be expected from the blacked out wordings ;) )

All in all, as a huge fan of indirect fire, i think that i might actually have to buy this baby, even though i might never be able to bring it on to the table..

[Faultie]

Hmm, the preator weapon "Pilum Warhead" seems to be sort of lame: 2 twinlinked missiles as a primary weapon for super heavy? Even AA mount and long range dont really justify it in my opinion. Although, i must say, that i do not know the rules for "Primary Weapon", is it like ordnance, that you cant shoot any other weapons, or is it outside of "Weapon destroyed results"??Super heavies can already fire all of their weapons at different targets. What Primary Weapon does is give that weapon a 4+ save vs. Weapon Crew Shaken or Weapon Destroyed results rolled against that weapon.

[Wildcard]

Hmm, for some reason i thought that there was a special rule for the super heavies to fire all their weapons at different targets (albeit very usual one)..

So, this would mean, that it can have 2x lascannons on the front sponsons plus twin-linked missile launcher that shot 2x missiles that has 4+ save against it being lost/not able to fire. Also armor of F:14, S:13, R:12, 2x structure points and practically impossible to get into cover (unless there is something big that breaks LOS altogether.. for 320 points.. never played a true apocalypse game, but if you got any knowledge, how does this unit stand when compared to other units, either in its class (super heavy), role (anti non-apocalypse vehicle), or just point wise (320points)?

[nijoho]

what is also important with the Primary weapon is, that all weapons with this rule are ordnance, which means they role 2D6 and pick the highest on the armor penetration role, so pretty scary for flyers. As its a super-heavy it can fire ordnance and still fire the other weapns.

If there were more flyers at my lokal gaming store i would get one, but i dont realy think its worth it.

oh and btw i think the 3 words for the 2nd warhead, you couldn't read is "no cover saves"

[SotonShades]

PersonnallyI think it looks great. I'm a big fan of the smaller super heavies myself (i've got a Macharius Vulkan and a Minotaur) and I am tempted to add this to my growing collection of big tanks.

As for your questions Wildcard; In most games of Apocolypse, people bring enough anti-tank weapons that 2 structure points will never last that long... unless it is supporting other superheavies with a lot more. Primary Weapon's though are worth the weight in gold. It is so frustrating for an opponant to neutralise a vehicle only to have it taken away on a roll. If nothing else, this thing will be a fire magnet in smaller Apoc games. 320 Points? Well, if your opponant(s!) has a lot of Flyers, any/all AA weapons are great, and Ordnance ones are few and far between, so it'll be pretty handy (though again, 4+ cover saves for going fast always make this a risky venture). If there aren't many flyers... I guess it depends on those other weapon options. It'll probably be a good anti tank warhead and a good anti infantry.

The problem with it is going to be this; for 320 points, how many Hydras or AA Manticores am I going to be able to take? Probably as many structure points (counting normal vehicles as 1) or more and as many shots or more. They are also less likely to be a single target that, for example, a squad of fire dragons can take out in a single shooting phase. The Small superheavies are never competitive or particularly good value in that sense. But they look awesome, and provide a great focus in small Apoc games, say sub 5k points, or a nice distracction in the bigger games. I wouldn't expect much from this tank on the battlefield, but I'd still put it there for a fun time.

[Gir]

Hmm, the preator weapon "Pilum Warhead" seems to be sort of lame: 2 twinlinked missiles as a primary weapon for super heavy? Even AA mount and long range dont really justify it in my opinion. Although, i must say, that i do not know the rules for "Primary Weapon", is it like ordnance, that you cant shoot any other weapons, or is it outside of "Weapon destroyed results"??

So, what can i get out of the other two, that are still 'hidden'. If you look closely, you can see that the blacked out words and numbers are vaguely readable.

Top weapon option: xx"-yyy" range, str is hard to tell, i'd go for 8, but seeing its most likely AP 3, it would be killer, since type seems to be again Ordnance Barrage 3, (3-5",hard to tell, being larger silhouet than the middle one, i would say 3") primary weapon, twin-linked

Middle weapon option: xx"- yyy" range, str being most likely 9, could be 6 though, ap is clearly 4. Type is ordnance barrage 3, something (could be 5"), Primary weapon, twin-linked, and a 3words that i cant make out.

So, what do you guys/gals think of what i am getting out of the 'mystery' weapons, and how do you see those weapon options being viable / balanced for FUN play (in a sense what can be reasonably be expected from the blacked out wordings ;) )

All in all, as a huge fan of indirect fire, i think that i might actually have to buy this baby, even though i might never be able to bring it on to the table..

The weapon lines are:

18"-???, str 8, ap 3, Barrage 3, 5" blast, Twin-linked, primary
18"-???, str 6, ap 4, Barrage 3, 7" Blast, Twin-Linked, Primary, No Cover Saves.

[david5th]

Got mine yesterday from Warhammer World while I was at work. :)