List Writing Complications.

[Son_of_Russ]

I have been writing up army lists for Dark Eldar and Space Wolves. I noticed that I am able to build an army list more easily for the Dark Eldar v. the Wolves. I am planning on writing up a Nids list sometime this week to see if I have any complications doing so. So my question being is, have any of you guys had a problem with building an army list for one army vs. another?

[isotope99]

Not sure what 'complications' you are talking about.

The Force org chart can be a pain for some armies more than others:

Orks and eldar can be tricky in this regard.

Space Marines and Imperial guard less so.

[Toxik]

I could be wrong, but I think he's asking if anyone has had any problems being able to write two lists geared towards beating just other.

If that's the case. Than you will have a bit of a hard time coming up with a great list for Nids, as DE eat infantry armies alive. DE are able to pump out massive amounts of fire power, that is designed for taking down even the biggest creatures you could throw at them thanks to all the poison weapons we use.

(Disclaimer: I am hungover as all hell today, so if I've completely misunderstood you I apologize.)

[chicop76]

So you want to write a tailored list. With nids against eldar I would suggest huge swarms, warriors, and genestealers. The nids have problems against Dark Eldar and the amount of lance and poison shots would eat the big stuff alive. So hq I would take a warrior prime, two squads of warriors, 9 hive guard, stealers and gaunts, 2 trygon prime for extra synapse, and ravengers.

I've seen nids wipd from the board in two turns with running 6 monsterous creatures like tervigons, trygons, and tyrant. I think the more little targets out there the better you'll be off. I can still see using Trygon Primes and Tervigons though, but just enough for cover saves for hive guard.

[Son_of_Russ]

Actually what i meant was, do you guys find it a little more easier to write up a list for one army vs. the other? It seems to me that some lists I can build and know what I want, while others, not so much. Just wanted to know if I am the only one that this occurs to. As of late I have been writing up different lists and found myself at this proverbial hurtle of list builder block when it comes to my Wolves list. I belive that my problem is that I want it all and can't seem to write a list that I like. I will post some lists soon just to see what you guys think. Thanks.

[Xas]

it might help if you try wording your question in another way and with other words instead of just retyping most of it if people do not understand your point.

if your question is if it is easier to taylor against a certain army with some armies (like DE) while it is harder to taylor against a certain army with other armies (like wolves) then you are right.

All Eldarkind is made up of specialists and therefore it is easier to pick units that work towards a set foe's weaknesses.
Space Marines of all sorts on the other hand are more generalists and therefore it is harder to taylor your list to fight a set enemy.


I'd say that Eldar, Dark Eldar and Tyranids have the easiest way to taylor versus a given foe if you know it beforehand (with some armies you also need to know the type since a nidzilla is a totally different story than swarm-nids for example) with Imperial Guard beeing similarly addaptable due to different special weapons and types of tanks & ordnance (hellhound type, leman russ type and artillery can all be adapted to best kill different armies).

All the rest I'd say are harder to taylor as they are either pretty inflexible (tau) or simply allrounders (marines).

The Necrons are the hardest to taylor because you have allmost no choices in the whole codex.

[deadmanwade]

Actually what i meant was, do you guys find it a little more easier to write up a list for one army vs. the other? It seems to me that some lists I can build and know what I want, while others, not so much.

I think I know what you mean. I can knock out a list for my IG or Codex Space Marines in seconds. When I tried writing a list of Dark Eldar, I just couldn't find one that I was happy with. I think it helps if you have some sort of goal or theme in mind, and the more experience you have with the army the better.

[SotonShades]

Son of Russ, I think it's the 'vs.' in your question that is confusing people. Are you trying to ask "Do you find it easier to write a list from codex X, compared to when you write a list from codex Y?"

For me, I've been playing Space marines for nearly a decade an a half. While I've had a few diffewrent codicies to use in that time, the core of the lists has remained the same, so I can fairly easilly throw together an army I know I'll enjoy playing with.

While I haven't used IG or Orks nearly as much, both armies really speak to me, so I often get a theme running and can create an army based around that fairly easilly. It will take me a while to tweak the list to get it to 1500 or 2000 points (or whatever I'm playing), then a while longer to teak it to my model collection... then usually a few games and a lot of discussion with some of my mates before it will become anything close to a competitive list. However that is a process I enjoy because I really love the armies and reading and re-reading the relevent books.

I have tried to write lists for other armies/from other codicies, but vary rarely does anything inspire me, so I really struggle to come up with an army. Other than a basic HQ, basic troop squads and fill out from the first entry in each other FOC slot. Maybe you are having a similar problem to me in this situation? The Wolves don't speak to you in the same way the DE do, so you struggle to come up with something you are actually happy with. Alternatively, maybe you just don't like the way one codex author writes compared to the way another does, though I think the format among the newer Codicies is broadly similar through out.

[Son_of_Russ]

DeadmanWade: Bingo! That is what I am talking about. SotonShades: my bad on the 'vs.' but your analysis was spot on. I really like the SW fluff, but DE was a breeze to build a list for. I have been trying to focus on a how I want my SW army to work, but no matter how many times I write a list I look at it and than trash it. I found it funny that when I looked at the DE codex and decided to build a list, I went through selections with ease and got a list I liked. I am about to work on another SW list and I am hoping that this is going to work out for me with the idea I have in mind.

[SotonShades]

good luck mate. can't wait to see the list(s) in the tactics forum :)