Forgeworld

[drwholives]

What is the point of making these great models from forgeworld if you can not use them in 40k competitions?
It seems to me that GW is making a fool of themselves by not allowing people to use them. If the purpose of there company is to make money then they could in fact make more money by selling Forgeworld models and allowing them in the games.

[DrLove42]

Of the last 3 tournements I went to 2 allowed FW

Also...people play more friendly games than Tournement games. Ergo they get to use their nice toys more

/thread ends

[wittdooley]

What is the point of making these great models from forgeworld if you can not use them in 40k competitions?
It seems to me that GW is making a fool of themselves by not allowing people to use them. If the purpose of there company is to make money then they could in fact make more money by selling Forgeworld models and allowing them in the games.

The biggest 40k tourney in the US (Adepticon Team Tourney) allows both Forgeworld Models and Forge World Rules...

Just saying...

[Denzark]

The GW GT Throne of Skulls at Warhammer World allows Forgeworld models.

[templarboy]

Most players don't play in tournaments. They really don't. Tournament players are a very very small percentage of 40k gamers. Just like folks that post on forums. I guess that's the point.

[Xas]

GW makes very much money by not bothering the general beer and bretzels player with tournament-proof mindsets...

[Blood Lord Soldado]

I love forgeworld stuff. Its awesome for all my home games.

And +1 to not everyone being tournament players. i have been playing since 2nd Edition and I just started going to tournaments this year.

[wittdooley]

I love forgeworld stuff. Its awesome for all my home games.

And +1 to not everyone being tournament players. i have been playing since 2nd Edition and I just started going to tournaments this year.

I'm really selective about the ones I play in. I don't want to come across any of the super douches. Hell, at the Adepticon Team Tourney we just get trashed during the tournament. It's a blast, and we still went 3-1 this year.

[DarkLink]

What is the point of making these great models from forgeworld if you can not use them in 40k competitions?

Because people still pay for it.

[Lord Inquisitor]

You can use a large amount of Forgeworld stuff with normal 40k rules. Forgeworld Dreadnoughts, Dreadnoughts. Marines in Pre-Heresy armor, Marines. Krieg Guardsmen, regular Guardsmen. etc, etc, etc...

[MarneusCalgar]

Well, I don´t understand the complaint...

Seems more a typical Warseer whine!!

As the other users told you, there are more than tournaments!!! Friendly games, etc...

[BuFFo]

What is the point of making these great models from forgeworld if you can not use them in 40k competitions?

That's your problem. GW doesn't make a game made for the tourney scene. Hell, GW doesn't even make a game really. GW makes and sells MODELS that happen to have rules attached to them.

GW games are made for fun and relaxation.

GW games are not made for tourney play.


It seems to me that GW is making a fool of themselves by not allowing people to use them.

What?

GW allows you to use ALL their models in your games. It is YOU (the hobbyists) who creates superficial barriers by participating in Tournaments which do not allow FW models in your games.

GW games are not made for tourney play.


If the purpose of there company is to make money then they could in fact make more money by selling Forgeworld models and allowing them in the games.

GW allows you to use ALL their models in your games. It is YOU (the hobbyists) who creates superficial barriers by participating in Tournaments which do not allow FW models in your games.

GW games are not made for tourney play.

[Faultie]

What's the point? They're generally friggin' cool is the point! :D

[sangrail777]

I've been playing since 1993, and to tell you the truth I've had more friendly games ask me not to use forgeworld as to tounements, just saying of course. (play in USA(midwest-western coast), Korea, and Germany)

[BuFFo]

I've been playing since 1993, and to tell you the truth I've had more friendly games ask me not to use forgeworld as to tounements, just saying of course. (play in USA(midwest-western coast), Korea, and Germany)

Yeah, well... This is correct as well for me :)

[Grenadier]

I love their models. Ordered 700 bucks worth of a horrifyingly paltry number of Death Korps models. Dummy me had a dream of building a Guard army entirely of them and going for a German theme. My friend had buttloads of FW Dreadnoughts. Neither of us are likely to see a tournament and our games are fairly "anything goes." Still, I'd love to have a Titan.

[SMC]

Most of the models released within the past year include info on where they fit into normal codex FOC. Example: the Caestus and the new Contemptor Dreadnought. They spell out what codici can use them too. It seems like GW is trying to merge FW with their normal line. The major obstacle nowadays is the player on the other end of the table.

[helvexis]

With good reason though a death Corp army really does have an obscene amount of blasts per shooting phase ... Even compared to the normal guard dex lol it just rapes some armies into non existence ... My poor deldar when he hit with everything in one turn ... ... Lol

But yeah i have no problems with forgeworl some tourneys do but that is at the discrete of the organizers...

[SotonShades]

I'm just trying to remember the last time I wasn't allowed to use FW models in a game...

A recent tournament I went to wouldn't accept armies built from the IA army lists, but still accepted most FW rules for anything that wasn't a superheavy/gargantuan creature/flyer.

A long, long time ago, in a galaxy... well this one actually, FW rules were over powered and more unbalanced than anything else GW produced, partly to make sense of the big cost people were payiogn for their models. As such, almost everywhere banned the use of them (even most GW stores, other than special events). These were the days before apocolypse, where a baneblade or a titan could potentially appear in a standard game, with over complex, over powerful rules. Lots of fun if played with the right spirit, but far from a balanced game. Now FW are much more inline (though many would argue still not quite as balanced as main GW codeicies) with the rest of the game, especially with their bigger beasties being sat squarely in Apoc territory. Unfortunately, many tournament organisers and players are still stuck in the old mindset of FW not being tourny friendly, so still shy away.

Hopefully this will change as I feel FW lists add a lot of character to what can otherwise be quite a bland meta. Not to mention awesome looking models that wouldn't quite fit within GW's main lines of models (as Buffo rightly said, the things they actually sell, rather than the game).

[Grenadier]

I was heartened greatly when GW began making the Baneblade. It was a "dream model" beyond my price range until GW's cheaper one came out. Which leaves me to ask:

Will GW be making Titans? I could see them not making the really big ones. But surely they could make the Warhounds.

[Shotgun Justice]

Because Forgeworld are coming from a different perspective - they hark back to the narrative gaming roots of GW where daft, silly, big and extra killy things are great fun and don't need to be anything else. As Buffo has pointed out GW do not make a tournament rule set - they have however slowly evolved 40k into a tighter rule set that can be played competitively with a little modification. Forgeworld aren't interested in that scene, they want stories and a really cool looking gaming table, they cater to those who want to build obscure armies and still be able to play them.
No 1 complaint re 40k? Unbalanced and outdated codices. If the full 'tourney legal' rule set also included all the specialised lists that Forgeworld put out the balance would be completely arseways and the whole plastic house would come crumbling down in a shower of cut-price polystyrene cement.
Tournaments need the equivalent of a control-group of rules, Forgeworld introduce too many variables and are generally appreciated for it

[BuFFo]

@shoogun Justice

The basic 40k rules have gotten much tighter over the years, very true. That makes the rules for 5th much better for a tourney scene than 2nd edition, but, as you said, and I agree, the codices are all over the place.

The broken balance in the codices is what keeps the tourney scene from ever being taken seriously by players who want fair games instead of list battles.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I know I want to get the forgeworld tau battlesuits when I finally get to the point that I am building my tau army, because I cannot stand the look of the GW suits. I would just use them as regular suits though from the basic rules, and just magnetize so I can switch out weapon options. Anyone who would complain about things that wont effect them game wise, well I just won't play with them.