playing THAT guy.

[Uncle Nutsy]

yeah, you read right.

THAT guy.

That guy who ruins the fun. That guy who refuses to tell you unit stats when you ask politely. That guy who tells you 'you should know everything in my codex'.

what would you do when someone pulls this cute little asshat move? especially in a tournament?

[DrLove42]

In a casual game? 3 warnings then start packing up my minis....

In a tournement? Turn any compassion off and rape him off the board....

[fade_74]

I would calmly get my phone out and call my wife. I would ask her to go upstairs to dig for the codex in question. I would stay on the phone chatting while she meandered to my game room. If the ******* across the table said anything I would do a big comical SHHHHHHHH, and tell him i'm on the phone trying to get info that you are refusing to give me, so sit down, have a nice cup of shut the **** up, and I'll be with you shortly.

[Deadlift]

245lbs
Shaved head
Beard
Tattoos
52inch chest

Most people play nice with me :)

But seriously I play for fun, someone pulls that kind of crap on me and I just pack up and walk away. Either that or embed my dice in his forehead and call it a win.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

But seriously I play for fun, someone pulls that kind of crap on me and I just pack up and walk away. Either that or embed my dice in his forehead and call it a win.

What a win that'd be :L

[MaltonNecromancer]

I'd just walk away. I always have in the past. But then, I don't do tournaments. My girlfriend has a great line in this; any time she's run into That Guy when gaming, she's given it just long enough, then cleared her stuff away (s0metimes as they pick up the dice to begin their turn), and when questioned why, explained in full detail every unpleasant/antisocial thing he's done, usually while staring at him with unblinking eyes that judge him on every level, and let him know that not only has he failed, he can never make up for it. If they complain, she'll go through every single unpleasant detail, sometimes with time references, occasionally with recordings she'll have secretly made.

I've seen Those Guys almost reduced to tears by this; it's horrible if it ever happens to you. You end up feeling about an inch tall.

Needless to say, Those Guys she's done it to never return. So it's win-win.

[SotonShades]

Fortunately I've never ended up playing against THAT GUY, though I have seen him/them on other tables.

Should I ever come across them though;

Tournament- reply in kind. roll the dice where he can only just see them and pick em up quickly... "Yep you lost 7 of your 5 remaining marines there. Mephiston? Yeh he died too"

Casual- Well I won't be playing him again in future, let him no said fact but give them one more chance to finish the game and play nice. Then pack up cus my time (especially my free time) is more important than that.

[Wildeybeast]

Can't sy I ever come across this guy before. Are they common? I'd be tempted to pull the same back to them, but the douche will probably have memorised everything in my codex so I guess that's out. So I'd wait until they were on the verge of winning, then pack up and leave mid turn without saying a word to them. Guy's going to be dick, he can have it back in spades.

[ilmfein]

id ask fade first if he didnt know id have to leave and not play THAT GUY again i have never run into them the guys i play with are awesome they got me started playing 40k so they have been nothing but helpfull

[MarneusCalgar]

In a casual game? 3 warnings then start packing up my minis....

In a tournement? Turn any compassion off and rape him off the board....

I agree... But being more direct:

- Casual game: 1 warning only

- Tournament: Talk directly to a referee... I don´t know in your countries, but in Spain ALL tournaments have this rule: if some player is not fair, at the second referee warning he is pissed off the tournament.

[DarkLink]

That guy who ruins the fun. That guy who refuses to tell you unit stats when you ask politely. That guy who tells you 'you should know everything in my codex'.

what would you do when someone pulls this cute little asshat move? especially in a tournament?

The TO should give him a severe warning at the very least for behavior like this. And in a casual game, pack up and leave.



At a tournament, I played a guy who wasn't quite that guy, but was still pretty bad. He doesn't outright cheat, but he'll get into stupid arguments over petty little things. So engage him in psychological warfare. The guy I played had a reputation for being... difficult, yet because of the way I handled him he only had a single protest that I quickly avoided, and by the end of the game he was complimenting me on my models (a few features of my GK color scheme are pretty unique, and I have some minor greenstuff conversions that don't look half bad).



Most important thing is this sort of person thinks that he's right, and that you're trying to cheat him. He may be disillusioned, but that's his thought process. If you start arguing with him, you'll cement his opinion that you're cheating with him and the game will be nothing but arguing and passive aggressive comments.

You don't want to just cave into his silly demands, but try and predict what he will be argumentative about. Be careful with measuring (in the game I mentioned, I probably only ever moved my infantry models 5" max), and bringing up issues in such a way that he thinks you want his opinion on them, you'll avoid a lot of headaches because he thinks you're just a noob instead of ignorant. If you're careful, it won't actually negatively affect how you play, but it will trick him into being friendly with you even though you're essentially playing the same as you normally would.


People who argue tend to do so because they think people are trying to disparage them or cheat them. Avoid making them think that, and you can avoid any issues.

[Xas]

allways repay to the fullest, with cherry on top.

some really bad-mannered asshat moves to pull on THAT GUY to beat him with his own tools:

roll for stuff and if the result pleases you tell what you rolled for. if it isnt pleasing say it was just for fun/keeping your fingers busy while thinking.

rolling dice in a hard-to-see place and picking up sucesses ("yeah, I really just made three 6+ invul saves in a row. its your fault if you are to stupid to watch my dice propperly. dont waste my time, idiot!")

play the shell game with transports with him. dont lavel your transports/ignore your squad markings and to little grafitty on your army list that could resemble anything. then pop that unit out of a transport (destroyed or voluntarily disembarking) that is the best for you in that situation. if they call you out for it tell them that you allready said beforehand that those grafitiy on the army list are linked to the transports in (make up an extremely obscure link like a dot of chipped of paint/tracks going counter/clockwise,...).

make dice indicating a multi-wound model's lost wounds vanish by accident when rolling near the unit (mostly by putting them away with the misses) and then forget that they lost wounds allready. argue up to a dice-off if he calls you out. if a judge is called use the opportunity to complain about all the bad things your oponent has done (which made you think hes THAT GUY in the first place).

move models/terrain/objectives when he isnt watching and/or knock stuff over on purpose and use the opportunity to place said models in a more opportune way.

moving obejctives can be a lot of fun if you use small coins and have one objective placed out of LOS to the oponent and then move the coin with/under a big model (terminator, monstrous creature, tank). objectives can travel rather far with that technique without you getting caught. when THAT GUY asks you where the objective marker is reply with the same words he used to refuse to give information on his codex. dont allow him to pick up any of your models.

if you are smart/have good hand eye coordination (depending on the trick) you should also simply mirror his cheateous endeveours on top of all that.


CAUTION: useing any of the above against anyone but THAT GUY will instantly turn yourself into THAT GUY. Don't be afraid to call a judge even if you are the one cheating on the 2nd and later games in the tournament as the chance is high THAT GUY has allready caused many discrepancies and the judges do not like him (a good judge has an eye for THOSE GUYS and like to punish them!)

[Uncle Nutsy]

Most important thing is this sort of person thinks that he's right, and that you're trying to cheat him. He may be disillusioned, but that's his thought process. If you start arguing with him, you'll cement his opinion that you're cheating with him and the game will be nothing but arguing and passive aggressive comments.


nah it was nothing like that. in a nutshell, I asked him to give me a rundown of his units. initiative, ws, attacks, toughness, strength. those stats. he came back with the response of 'you should know what these things do already.'

yeah pal. i should have your entire codex memorized front to back, even though you're using chaos zombie wolves models as proxies for your space wolves wolf models.

[HsojVvad]

I must be lucky, never met anyone like that. So far from all the vetreans I have played agaisnt, they are so helpfull they teach me the rules as I go along.

If I met anyone like that, I think I would just pack up my minis and quit playing OR, I would do the same in return, and take forever moving my minis. While you can't pre-measure in the Shooting phase, you can do that in the movement phase, and playing Tyranids whith a hord list, I would pre measure ever single Gaunt and then measure for the next gaunt, move him, then measure the next one, and move him.

[Mystery.Shadow]

The best way I've taken care of That Guy is to place a Turn Counter or even a large obnoxious Die on the corner of the table. It starts at [ 1 ] and goes up every time That Guy does something 'That Guyish'. Don't tell him what it is untill he asks. Then politely inform him of the 'That Guy Counter' normally it is all that is required to tone down 'That Guy'.

Some of the worst things I've seen at Tournaments:

When a Chimera suffers Vehicle Destroyed - Wrecked, it magically lands on it's side and turns 90-Degrees from it's original facing. (Rhinos are famous for doing this as well)
5th Edition is True Line-of-Sight, so if you can't see the guys behind the now-destroyed Vehicle, you can't shoot them!

A Large-Blast Template lands with the hole BETWEEN the front fins of an Eldar Tank. That Guy claims it's only half strength hit, since the hole is NOT over the Vehicle's Hull.

Oh yeah, the famous Transport Shell Game. Why does That Guy think he can get away with it even if we went over it after deployment and before Turn 1?! I made That Guy place Vulcan Hestan on top of the Transport to designate which one he is in to avoid confusion. Magically, he fell off and got on top of a different vehicle!! The Table Ref did not witness the event, but some random passer-by did and That Guy was called out on it!

[Lockark]

what would you do when someone pulls this cute little asshat move? especially in a tournament?

In most tournament's I've been to, the TO would get called over for such dick bag-y-ness to refuse to disclose anything about thier army. The rules say you must disclose everything about your army to your enemy. For simplicitie's sake most people/tourny's boil it down to. "They ask, you answer. Done."


The best way I've taken care of That Guy is to place a Turn Counter or even a large obnoxious Die on the corner of the table. It starts at [ 1 ] and goes up every time That Guy does something 'That Guyish'. Don't tell him what it is untill he asks. Then politely inform him of the 'That Guy Counter' normally it is all that is required to tone down 'That Guy'.

Some of the worst things I've seen at Tournaments:

When a Chimera suffers Vehicle Destroyed - Wrecked, it magically lands on it's side and turns 90-Degrees from it's original facing. (Rhinos are famous for doing this as well)
5th Edition is True Line-of-Sight, so if you can't see the guys behind the now-destroyed Vehicle, you can't shoot them!

A Large-Blast Template lands with the hole BETWEEN the front fins of an Eldar Tank. That Guy claims it's only half strength hit, since the hole is NOT over the Vehicle's Hull.

Oh yeah, the famous Transport Shell Game. Why does That Guy think he can get away with it even if we went over it after deployment and before Turn 1?! I made That Guy place Vulcan Hestan on top of the Transport to designate which one he is in to avoid confusion. Magically, he fell off and got on top of a different vehicle!! The Table Ref did not witness the event, but some random passer-by did and That Guy was called out on it!


-The 2nd one in question... In fairness if I understand what your saying correctly, he did nothing wrong. That is in fact the proper way that plays.

-The 1st one is realy shady. Their is nothing that say he can't, but it's generally accepted you SHOULDN'T. Not even the most competitive players I've seen would try that.

-the 3rd one? That's just sily, and the guy needs a good slap across the face.

[Denzark]

Go on the interwebz. Find that picture of the chap who jumped through the bandsaw or something equally comical. Drop a sheathe of pictures with such on, on the table.

Tell him he is meat and that is what happened to the last person who was a ****.

If unsuccessful pack up your army, pick up his commander miniature and welly it over the top of the venue screaming: "how ja like them apples BIATCH?"

[sangrail777]

wouldn't tell you his armies stats? Sounds like:
WS 2, BS 2, S 2, T 2, I 2, W 1, A 1, LD 6, SV 6
Armour:
BS 2, F 11, S 10, R 10

Huh whats that?....It's not huh....prove it!

[Emerald Rose Widow]

wouldn't tell you his armies stats? Sounds like:
WS 2, BS 2, S 2, T 2, I 2, W 1, A 1, LD 6, SV 6
Armour:
BS 2, F 11, S 10, R 10

Huh whats that?....It's not huh....prove it!

Hahaha, thats just awesome

I love the die in the corner counting down all the "THAT GUY" things they are doing. And when you get to six just start packing up, and if the bugger asks why, say, "because your THAT GUY meter just hit six"

[Verilance]

this thread makes me think of one thing

http://www.rogue-penguin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/iwannabetheguy.jpg

[nosferatu]

My reaction is simple, let them carry on and for every ****ish act they make, launch 10 metal dice into his models. i once got to 120 before they realised what was going on and then apolagised before they set work on repairing the model that took the force of the attack. being khorne is great for this...

[Mystery.Shadow]

A Large-Blast Template lands with the hole BETWEEN the front fins of an Eldar Tank. That Guy claims it's only half strength hit, since the hole is NOT over the Vehicle's Hull.


...In fairness if I understand what your saying correctly, he did nothing wrong. That is in fact the proper way that plays.

http://i228.photobucket.com/albums/ee221/Mystarian/06260002.jpg?t=1309104761

[Lockark]

The whole is not over the physical hull of the vehicle. That's a Half Strength hit.
=/

If it landed ON the fins them self, that's a full strength hit thow. You other touch the hull or you don't.

[HsojVvad]

The whole is not over the physical hull of the vehicle. That's a Half Strength hit.
=/

If it landed ON the fins them self, that's a full strength hit thow. You other touch the hull or you don't.

I have to agree, how is that a full strength hit? It's not a SM tank where it's a complete box.

Is this why vehciles need bases? So people don't complain and argue about this?

[Duke]

Talking about the strength of large blasts like the one pictured above would be great in the RULES forum. On topic please.

Duke

[BuFFo]

Hey Uncle

Just like when you IM'd me on AIM, you can see the guys here are saying the same thing I did - It was a tourney event, you get a judge, end of story.

If this happened in a non tourney game, just ask him a few times, and then refuse to play with the toolbag.

Never let some douche ruin your fun.

[Uncle Nutsy]

after reading all the responses here (three pages? crikey!), i'm going to start using a big giant "THAT GUY" D4. In blood red or something. and when it hits three, I call a judge. If it hits six, I pack up.

[BrokenWing]

Man if your d4 hits 6 let me know. I could use some really high rolling d4s in DnD =).

[Uncle Nutsy]

haha whoops, forgot about that part. supposed to be "if it hits two, call a judge. four, pack up and wait for the next game"

blood red giant D4 hits the board. THUMP. "oh gee did that knock your models over? sorry. no i'm not"

[BrokenWing]

Have you considered investing in a nice big steel d4? I have a steel d20. Lots of fun.

[Uncle Nutsy]

yeah i was thinking of one made of steel. if it makes a huge THUD, then i'm going for it.

[Mystery.Shadow]

Since we now have FineCast we can no longer DreadSock our opponents which are That Guy.

A nice big Steel D6 would probably have the same results as an old Chaos Dreadnought.

[HsojVvad]

I love that idea. If he becomes "That Guy", then roll the dice into his minis. Even better with steel dice. LOL. That is great.

Come to think of this now, after reading the posts, finding some of them humourous, I wouldn't be yelling or throwing things, I would just pack up and leave. I would say "congradualtions, you win" and pack up and either find another game or leave.

[MarneusCalgar]

I love that idea. If he becomes "That Guy", then roll the dice into his minis. Even better with steel dice. LOL. That is great.

Come to think of this now, after reading the posts, finding some of them humourous, I wouldn't be yelling or throwing things, I would just pack up and leave. I would say "congradualtions, you win" and pack up and either find another game or leave.

That idea, throwing dices into the minis, was one of the bad and ugly things one of THAT GUYS tend to do here, in Madrid, Spain, on some tournaments... But it was short before he was banned from all tournaments!!

[TheRise]

Sit down and stare at them until they cry.

[BrokenWing]

I'd never throw anything at anyone but during a DnD session once I was gesturing (dm) with my hands and holding my steel d20 (which is about 3 inches across) and it accidentally slipped out of my hand. I have never seen the player next to me move that fast before, but he ducked so fast it was amazing. The d20 then proceeded to narrowly miss my laptop which was on another table at the time and bounce off the cement floor.Still in good shape, just has a few scratches.

[w7west]

If this happened to me at a tourney?

I would shake the mans hand and thank him humbly for not being another ****ing imp guard player.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Yeah, I could never do something to harm another person's minis, as much as I may despise them. I put too much work into my own and its been a labor of love, and I could never bring myself to do that. Mostly I will just be patient initially and if they go to far than just stop playing with them.