10 things about Finecast...to get over it (at last)

[moffom]

Hello from France
Having read a lot about Finecast on forums , I decided to write something about it to give a French view of the "case". Read the following with humor ;)


1. According to GW, the switch has been done to improve quality but everyone knows that they did it mainly to cut costs related to metal. When petrol is going to run out, will they do models out of gravel ?
2. If you whine about defects such as bubbles and bent or broken parts, don't buy it.
3. If you don't whine about such defects, you're skilled enough to mend them with little effort.
4. If you still whine, you can wait for the next batch to roll out (on the one after) or enroll for QA at GW. Oh wait, there is no such job...
5. It's just a resin-based product, no innovation here. A lot of other companies do such products with better results (read less defective models) as their production is better controlled: you do resin with specific moulds not refurbished metal ones.
6. It's not more expensive, it's a shadow effect from GW's annual price rise. Still, it's unacceptable and it calls for a "reasoned" practise of minitaure gaming. Diversifying is not a bad idea after all: alternative games or models, secondhand market etc.
7. Petitioning on the Internet is useless, GW only answers to its shareholders. However, we have to put our statements online: it's freedom of speech.
8. Going "resin" is the new fad to get new players on board and oh my it's working !! Furthermore, as the gaming audience is getting older and having more purchasing capacity, they won't necessarily buy more expensive higher quality products. Getting older is getting wiser (usually)
9. If you're angry or fed up at this point, get a life
10. The previous ramblings are reflecting a part of the french gaming opinion but not all of it. Sometimes, it's just so funny to divebomb

[house_cawdor]

Honestly, I love the material for Finecast! I stoped at a store on my way home from vacation and they had only a few left. I picked Stern over Yarrick (which was a hard choice as the details were honestly AMAZING!)

My Stern does have one or two little imperfections, but the overall detail is much more pronounced than pewter. It is also way easier to clean flash as one can actually see all where all of it is before priming the model!

People just need to remember that with any casting material there could always be some sort of a problem. At least Gw is efficient at fixing the problems...

[daboarder]

why has the forum been inundated with rabid pro GW supporters lately?

you sir sound like an elitist prick, "OH you can't fix that deformed face? ah well go get a knew hobby fool" the point is that face should never have HAD to be fixed, GW needs to sort out the casting process and their QC before I'll even think of buying.

I haven't bought a finecast yet, I'm reserving judgement, waiting until wayland sorts their international site out, and for summer to come along because I don't want to by something and have it melt (and yes that's what they apparently do in 40 Celsius)

[Gir]

why has the forum been inundated with rabid pro GW supporters lately?


Because it's nice change to the hoards of GW haters we normally have.

[daboarder]

well played gir, well played

[Lockark]

why has the forum been inundated with rabid pro GW supporters lately?

you sir sound like an elitist prick, "OH you can't fix that deformed face? ah well go get a knew hobby fool" the point is that face should never have HAD to be fixed, GW needs to sort out the casting process and their QC before I'll even think of buying.

I haven't bought a finecast yet, I'm reserving judgement, waiting until wayland sorts their international site out, and for summer to come along because I don't want to by something and have it melt (and yes that's what they apparently do in 40 Celsius)

Who here said anything about a deformed face?

They said minor imperfections.
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Their post is in reply to people complaining about one small air bubble on a smooth surface or something stupid like that.

[flekkzo]

Who here said anything about a deformed face?

They said minor imperfections.
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Their post is in reply to people complaining about one small air bubble on a smooth surface or something stupid like that.

The amount of success people have had seems to vary. I bought a Queek Headtaker (seriously fantastic looking model) which ended up with 10+ bubbles. I called up GW's customer service, awesome service, and they sent me a replacement.

Thing is, the replacement came today, and had *bigger* issues than the first one. Some big bubbles (biggest around 3-4mm times 2mm or something) and missing detail. Detail I can't even begin to be able to repair. I'm honestly disappointed. I like the material, I like the detail, I don't paint that fast anyways so I can just slow down my purchasing a bit, but the poor QC has me seriously bummed out. I've never had a single other miniature have issues like this, metal or plastic.

I'm debating if I should call and complain again. Get yet another replacement. Don't want to have to do stuff like that, pretty weak that I need to.

[Lockark]

So far I have not had any issues that were not comparable to issues I've had in the past with GW's metals and plastics.

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Your situation reminds me of one I was once in. I once I bought a defective plastic kit, only get get a replacement kit that was also defective. At that point I was just able to scrounge up enough between the two kits to make the model, but it was still disappointing. In all honesty I do not know what advice I could give if both modles were in such bad shape.

[moffom]

I see that some people haven't read my line "read it with humor ;)"

@daboarder: I'm not pro GW, nor anti GW and you've missed the whole point. If you get a REALLY defective model, go and replace it until you get a good one
I don't really like whiners but I can understand their point of view. You need to take some steps back

@lockark: that's the point, really, thx

Finecast can be a good product just like Microsoft Windows but you'll have to wait a bit (however, if you bought Vista, you'll go for first batch Finecast...maybe not

[Mobynick]

A friend of my is a doctor and is well known in the gaming community....he can't beleive that they haven't got a warning on the finecast products. In his opinion they do pose a health risk??? Also they will melt sitting on your table in summer unless you live south of Canberra.

[daboarder]

My apologies mate, I blame uni exams.

[templarboy]

A friend of my is a doctor and is well known in the gaming community....he can't beleive that they haven't got a warning on the finecast products. In his opinion they do pose a health risk??? Also they will melt sitting on your table in summer unless you live south of Canberra.
What health risk is he alleging? As a scientist, I require evidence, not conjecture. Also, I live in El Paso Texas. It was 105 degrees F here yesterday. I took my Jump pack chappy outside and put him in the direct sunlight for 3 hours. Nothing happened. He didn't even get slightly soft. Where are all the pics of melted minis? I am genuinely curious about where these rumours start.

[moffom]

My apologies mate, I blame uni exams.

That's allright, I know what's like to be stressed out so no prob here
Try to throw some SM to the wall, it works for me :)

[daboarder]

I used Sugar cubes...in the common room, mates weren't happy....could bounce them off walls though

[Mobynick]

What health risk is he alleging? As a scientist, I require evidence, not conjecture. Also, I live in El Paso Texas. It was 105 degrees F here yesterday. I took my Jump pack chappy outside and put him in the direct sunlight for 3 hours. Nothing happened. He didn't even get slightly soft. Where are all the pics of melted minis? I am genuinely curious about where these rumours start.

As a scientist I would have thought you'd know resin is toxic. It is also extreamely nasty if you inhale it as a dust.....like when you are sanding. Every other companies resins melt in hot weather (here it can reach 40c for weeks) and I don't see GW resin being any different.

So as a Dr my friend has concerns that the products may not be safe.
As a experianced gamer/collector I have concerns that the models will deform.

If you want to set up scientific tests to prove or disprove the above, please feel free to do so and pass on your findings and recommendations to the rest of us. :D

[templarboy]

As a scientist I would have thought you'd know resin is toxic. It is also extreamely nasty if you inhale it as a dust.....like when you are sanding. Every other companies resins melt in hot weather (here it can reach 40c for weeks) and I don't see GW resin being any different.

So as a Dr my friend has concerns that the products may not be safe.
As a experianced gamer/collector I have concerns that the models will deform.

If you want to set up scientific tests to prove or disprove the above, please feel free to do so and pass on your findings and recommendations to the rest of us. :D
Well, normally the person making the allegation is required to provide the proof. Your concerns are valid but you stated them more as fact than opinion. Thank you for the patronizing response.

[BrokenWing]

An independent children's test company tested GW resin and said it was safe. Do you require GW to go to your house and let you test it personally? Not *all* resin is toxic in all forms, especially when it's not pure Resin. In fact, read the Forge World info packet you can download about working with FW resin and it too will tell your FW resin is non-toxic.

[Mobynick]

Well, normally the person making the allegation is required to provide the proof. Your concerns are valid but you stated them more as fact than opinion. Thank you for the patronizing response.

Your welcome :) No I'd rather them test it in their own home.
They told us ddt was safe too. All I'm saying is a GP friend of mine has concerns over the safety of the stuff.
I have concerns that it will melt. I hope both concerns turn out to be unfounded. I guess time will tell.

[SMC]

Your welcome :) No I'd rather them test it in their own home.
They told us ddt was safe too. All I'm saying is a GP friend of mine has concerns over the safety of the stuff.
I have concerns that it will melt. I hope both concerns turn out to be unfounded. I guess time will tell.

Time won't tell as long as people like you are running from site to site spreading rumors and lies.

Where do you think the melting rumor came from? Someone, like you, signed into a message board and pulled sh*t out of his ***.

Look I can do it too.

I went to sleep next to my finecast Wracks and woke up with my nipples pierced. Damn you GW~!!!! BOYCOTT!!!!

[Gir]

All I'm saying is a GP friend of mine has concerns over the safety of the stuff.
I have concerns that it will melt.

Then your friend is an idiot and I hope he never has to treat me.

[Deadlift]

Your welcome :) No I'd rather them test it in their own home.
They told us ddt was safe too. All I'm saying is a GP friend of mine has concerns over the safety of the stuff.
I have concerns that it will melt. I hope both concerns turn out to be unfounded. I guess time will tell.


And that is the wonderful thing about a General Practitioner, the word General is the clue in the title. They aren't specialists and no disrespect to your friend but they don't know everything and are not immune to generally getting things wrong too.

When your GP friend starts working in the toy safety business maybe then you should listen to him or her :D

[daboarder]

And that is the wonderful thing about a General Practitioner, the word General is the clue in the title. They aren't specialists and no disrespect to your friend but they don't know everything and are not immune to generally getting things wrong too.

When your GP friend starts working in the toy safety business maybe then you should listen to him or her :D

Depends on the country, out here GP's actually need to specialize BEFORE they get their GP qualification.

[Melissia]

Lol, someone on Dakka has had to replace the same special charactr model eight times.

[SMC]

Lol, someone on Dakka has had to replace the same special charactr model eight times.

My Wracks and Haemonculus were perfect. I see your second hand anecdotal evidence and raise it. Are there bad finecast models out there? Yeah, I've seen pics of them. Is every Finecast model messed up? Nope.

Damn, do you troll on every single site you post on? I remember you trolling daily on Bolter and Chainsword until people told you to STFU. It figures you'd find a home on Dakka Dakka.

[Melissia]

My Wracks and Haemonculus were perfect. I see your second hand anecdotal evidence and raise it. Are there bad finecast models out there? Yeah, I've seen pics of them. Is every Finecast model messed up? Nope.

Did I say every single one was?

No, I don't think I did. Stop being a dick.

[Mobynick]

Did I say every single one was?

No, I don't think I did. Stop being a dick.

I agree ! Seems the real troll is SMC.

Gir your no better. You think that your opinion is superior to a Dr that not only knows medicine but has been a wargamer for over 20years. Resin is toxic, has been since it was first produced. Its like GW telling you they have found a way to make lead non toxic. Now I don't mind discussing the subject but don't be a dickhead and post personal attacks.

[Gir]

Gir your no better. You think that your opinion is superior to a Dr that not only knows medicine but has been a wargamer for over 20years. Resin is toxic, has been since it was first produced. Its like GW telling you they have found a way to make lead non toxic. Now I don't mind discussing the subject but don't be a dickhead and post personal attacks.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You also don't seem to understand what resin is. Saying "resin is toxic" is like saying "Metal is highly radioactive". Yes, a small percentage is, but resin is such a broad term that the statement is a gross exaggeration.

You also better keep away from that plastic, as it's a resin too. Lets not forget MDF either, which is far worse for you then most resins.

[Morgan Darkstar]

I agree ! Seems the real troll is SMC.

Gir your no better. You think that your opinion is superior to a Dr that not only knows medicine but has been a wargamer for over 20years. Resin is toxic, has been since it was first produced. Its like GW telling you they have found a way to make lead non toxic. Now I don't mind discussing the subject but don't be a dickhead and post personal attacks.

You Know if a company says somthing is SAFE and it turns out not to be SAFE they generaly get spanked by whatever government/organisation/regulatory body is around, at best this entails MASSIVE fines at worst they get shutdown and the company executives get Jail time.

and not to mention thousands of lawsuits from the public.

this is why i believe it to be safe.

[Morgan Darkstar]

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. You also don't seem to understand what resin is. Saying "resin is toxic" is like saying "Metal is highly radioactive". Yes, a small percentage is, but resin is such a broad term that the statement is a gross exaggeration.

You also better keep away from that plastic, as it's a resin too. Lets not forget MDF either, which is far worse for you then most resins.

dont forget Oxygen thats highly TOXIC too :eek:

along with Vitamin A, Vitamin D and Vitamin E

[raven1man]

Don't forget water too....you drink too much of that and you DIE! Now if that's not toxic.....

So far I've been happy with the finecast that I have seen. Just remember to check it before you take it.

[Gir]

Don't forget water too....you drink too much of that and you DIE! Now if that's not toxic.....

That damn dihydrogen-monoxide!

[flekkzo]

My Wracks and Haemonculus were perfect. I see your second hand anecdotal evidence and raise it. Are there bad finecast models out there? Yeah, I've seen pics of them. Is every Finecast model messed up? Nope.

I've got three Queek Headtaker, the third one is "good enough", the two first had seriously destroyed details curtesy of air bubbles. When they get the QC right it looks really good. That model is just fantastic (go look at the picture of the thing). It just makes me hesitant to drop money on Finecast boxes. I don't want to have to call and complain all the time.

I would like to hear reports of people buying good ones, and which ones they got :)

[Kawauso]

I would like to hear reports of people buying good ones, and which ones they got :)

I bought 3 Zoanthropes online, and all of them were fine.

Yeah, there were some tiny bubbles on the ribcage, and one had kind of a big bubble near the end of its tail, but it was all filled in really easily with greenstuff. Took less time than it would have taken to trim all of the flash/venting from metal models, for sure.

Good riddance to my old, metal Zoes. :)

[Mobynick]

From the horses mouth.


Citadel Finecast: It is with regret that in the next 10 days all presently outstanding purchases of Citadel Finecast items will be refunded. Unfortunately, a randomly sampled assessment has revealed what we feel to be an excessive level of actual and potential flaws that, if reflected across our entire stock of Finecast, could result in unacceptable inconvenience to our customers. We have reached this decision as soon as was practicably possible but extend our apologies to all customers who are affected. Although we will be returning our present stockholding to the manufacturer, please be assured that we remain committed to carrying the Finecast line and will be restocking in due course.

[SMC]

I agree ! Seems the real troll is SMC.

Gir your no better. You think that your opinion is superior to a Dr that not only knows medicine but has been a wargamer for over 20years. Resin is toxic, has been since it was first produced. Its like GW telling you they have found a way to make lead non toxic. Now I don't mind discussing the subject but don't be a dickhead and post personal attacks.

You keep repeating yourself over and over despite every response you've gotten and you think people are going to be polite to you?

Perhaps you should ask you doctor friend about that. It might be serious.

[SMC]

From the horses mouth.


Citadel Finecast: It is with regret that in the next 10 days all presently outstanding purchases of Citadel Finecast items will be refunded. Unfortunately, a randomly sampled assessment has revealed what we feel to be an excessive level of actual and potential flaws that, if reflected across our entire stock of Finecast, could result in unacceptable inconvenience to our customers. We have reached this decision as soon as was practicably possible but extend our apologies to all customers who are affected. Although we will be returning our present stockholding to the manufacturer, please be assured that we remain committed to carrying the Finecast line and will be restocking in due course.
You might want to mention that was posted on Wayland Games website so people know what you'te talking about. You might have also mention that they had 60 or so Finecast models and found problems with 33 or so of those.

To their credit, they supplied pictures. I found it hilarious that one of the "defective" models was returned, not because it was deformed but because the blister had a hair in it. I saw quite a few bad casts, but part of this is to get back at GW for their recent legal issues involving markets outside of the EU.

[Gir]

From the horses mouth.


Citadel Finecast: It is with regret that in the next 10 days all presently outstanding purchases of Citadel Finecast items will be refunded. Unfortunately, a randomly sampled assessment has revealed what we feel to be an excessive level of actual and potential flaws that, if reflected across our entire stock of Finecast, could result in unacceptable inconvenience to our customers. We have reached this decision as soon as was practicably possible but extend our apologies to all customers who are affected. Although we will be returning our present stockholding to the manufacturer, please be assured that we remain committed to carrying the Finecast line and will be restocking in due course.

If you look at the pictures, most of the "defects" are not as bad as metal models.

[DrLove42]

I would like to hear reports of people buying good ones, and which ones they got :)

3 Grotesques, 10 Wracks and 2 Hemonculi

1 of the grotesques had slight holes in his under arm areas
1 of the wracks had a bubble in the tab he attatches to the base on

That is all

Honestly I 've had worse metal and plastic models than these

The detail is astonishing and they are so light its untrue. A few defects are a worthy price to pay for such superior quality

[Deadlift]

I would like to hear reports of people buying good ones, and which ones they got :)

My replacement Dante was perfect.

[Melissia]

My sisters were perfect!

Oh wait. We don't have any finecast.

Uhm.

My Imperial Guard were excellent! Oh wait. They only have yarrick and that ugly lord commissar model.

Hrm.

I was really hoping they'd put the Ork Weirdboy in finecast so I coudl convert it....

[Lockark]

I picked up some wracks and they were stunning. The cleaning took abit, but no more then metal or the like.

[Mobynick]

You keep repeating yourself over and over despite every response you've gotten and you think people are going to be polite to you?

Perhaps you should ask you doctor friend about that. It might be serious.

Considering your posts towards myself and Melissa I very much doubt you know how to be polite.

I often repeat myself because I'm the only one making sence :rolleyes: That and it seems some of you just can't read.


Gir defects are just that. If you are stupid enough to pay the exorbitant price GW charges surely you have the right to demand the "best minitures" they have, not defective pieces of junk.

[Brass Scorpion]

From http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/games-workshop/finecast-resin-models/cat_955.html

Visit the link above for photos that go with this article:


Citadel Finecast

We regret that we are not presently retailing the Citadel Finecast range.

Unfortunately, a randomly sampled assessment revealed what we feel to be an excessive level of actual and potential flaws that, if reflected across our entire stock of Finecast, could have resulted in unacceptable inconvenience to our customers. Although we will be returning our present stockholding to the manufacturer, please be assured that we remain committed to carrying the Finecast line and will be restocking in due course.

For your information, we sampled and then assessed 60 sealed blisters with 30 taken at random from each of two deliveries of stock. Failures were 17 (57%) of 30 and 16 (53%) of 30, making 33 (55%) of 60 in total. While failure doesn’t necessarily denote the blister content as being of less than merchantable quality, for our purposes it does categorise it as having a visible flaw that might be of sufficient concern to a customer such that the item might be returned. Details and images were provided to the manufacturer, with redacted copies of the images appearing below.

Please note, the blisters remain sealed and so images were taken through the product packaging.

[Gir]

Considering your posts towards myself and Melissa I very much doubt you know how to be polite.

I often repeat myself because I'm the only one making sence :rolleyes: That and it seems some of you just can't read.


Gir defects are just that. If you are stupid enough to pay the exorbitant price GW charges surely you have the right to demand the "best minitures" they have, not defective pieces of junk.

Except GW prices are inline with the industry. I've also had much worst defects from much more exensive models from different companies.

[Lockark]

Some of the ones posted by wayland games are kinda more anle then real flaws.

http://www.waylandgames.co.uk/images/finecastfaults/web_a_item-16.jpg

Is all that's realy wrong with that sword that fact it's slightly bent? Because I had that on one of my Wrack's swords and with abit of Hot and Cold water it only took 1 Min to fix.

The Hair in the blister is kinda wired, but it's not like your buying a burger or something.....
XD

Thow I enjoy what Beasts of War had to say about that picher.
http://www.beastsofwar.com/bow-article/man-pack-finecast/