Not dropping 40k but...........

[Deadlift]

Not really interested in a " I hate all things GW thread " which I don't but I was just wondering how many of you guys have or are looking at trying alternative wargaming products and why.

I myself have had a very quiet day at work and with the advent of eBay + smartphone have ordered the rule book for warmachine. I don't really think of it as a replacement because of the price rise etc but maybe an alternative which also looks cheaper. The bad press I admit has made me look at other options and GW may not get the full hobby pocket money the wife let's me have :).

So once again are you thinking of or have you jumped ship or just giving something else a try as well ?

[wittdooley]

Absolutely not. Though I am selling a fantasy army simply because I never use it. Then again, I'm always looking for new minis to buy; I don't much care who makes it as long as I like it.

[DrLove42]

Thats the thing I don't understand (not suggesting you're doing it) is people selling huge armies because of a slight price rise

Its along the lines of saying "I don't want to pay another £1 for every model I buy, therefore I'll sell the 10,000 point army i've spent £1,000s on for half of what I've payed for it, rather than keep playing with what i've got and not buying new stuff" Its crazy

Personally I'm dedicated to GW. My armies at least are wonderful models and I don't mind paying for them

[Lane]

Thats the thing I don't understand (not suggesting you're doing it) is people selling huge armies because of a slight price rise


I think the reasoning is they are selling armies they no longer playso they can buy more minis for the armies they do play.

[Deadlift]

Thats the thing I don't understand (not suggesting you're doing it) is people selling huge armies because of a slight price rise

Its along the lines of saying "I don't want to pay another £1 for every model I buy, therefore I'll sell the 10,000 point army i've spent £1,000s on for half of what I've payed for it, rather than keep playing with what i've got and not buying new stuff" Its crazy

Personally I'm dedicated to GW. My armies at least are wonderful models and I don't mind paying for them

More a question of space in my circumstance :). There's only so much room in the display cabinet between the Spode and the Waterford. Also to appear to be politically correct I have to appear to make a sacrifice before splurging out.

[theHman]

I jumped ship from GW about a year ago and got into Malifaux (great game btw), and then just recently (January) I got into WarmaHordes. So far this year I've played a total of 6 games of 40k, all tourny games at my local game store and mostly b/c friends wanted me to play.

I much prefer WM/Hordes, the rules are much better than 40k. And I really enjoy the crazy combos and strategy involved.

My (new) LGS has also started stocking Malifaux and a lot of the WM guys have invested in a crew box. So it looks like I'll now have regular friends to play against, so I'm really excited by that as Malifaux is such a fun game and I'm in love with most of their minis. Showgirls for one. Lord Chompy bits and of course, you got undead hookers. Undead Hookers!!!! How awesome!

I've been preaching for the last year that it's time people opened their eyes and take a good look around at different mini games and manufacturers. There's a TON of awesome games out there with great minis too.

I applaud you for taking a look at something new. BTW - PP is running a crazy awesome deal where you can get a faction starter box, and tokens and you'll get the rulebook for free and get free shipping on your order.

Just look for the 10th anniversary sale on Privateer Presses website.

[Denzark]

Sell the spode!

@ the Hman - there is a thread on here about things we hate about non-GW companies and people 'preaching' about WM is one of the things. I suppose you have the decency to admit to it, but why the hell are you even lurking here let alone posting, if you have dropped 40K?

And you sound like just as much as an advert for PP as WD is for GW.

[TSINI]

I'm pretty easy going with wargaming, i'm taking the jump into other products after first being put off by poor "historical" games - which neither get my creative juices flowing, or give you much modelling opportunity (due to historical accuracy)

But the past couple of years i've seen some absolutely amazing products come into the market.

Hasslefree miniatures does fantasticly characterised figures. So thats me sorted for something i can buy in bits and bobs, a tenner here, £15-20 there, as and when i have the money. and i'm working on rulesets for these which will keep me entertained for years to come i'm sure.

Spartan Games is doing a new game which has been making waves around our area. Dystopian Wars. you may not be a fan of the fluff or the models (i love them personally) but the ruleset is a breath of fresh air. and so simply done too.

Black Scorpion miniatures also has a fine range of miniatures, which i'm stacking up money to blow out on, cowboy western stuff, pirates and modern U.S troops and afghan militants. each of these just makes me think "low model count, high detailed rules and a chance to go mad on cool scenery"

I'm not going to drop 40k, its impossible for me to do that. but dabbling in other game systems doesnt have to be expensive and can open up a whole new list of challanges.

[wittdooley]

I much prefer WM/Hordes, the rules are much better than 40k. And I really enjoy the crazy combos and strategy involved.

Saying the 'rules are much better' is completely subjective; they're different. As for the crazy combos: that's one reason I know of that people dislike Warmahordes. In order to be really competetive, you have to know about all the trickery involved in the game.

@TSINI - Concur with Dystopian Wars. Crazy fun game, with really really nice models! Can't wait for my Britannia Land Force.

[acuk]

Spartan Games is doing a new game which has been making waves around our area. Dystopian Wars. you may not be a fan of the fluff or the models (i love them personally) but the ruleset is a breath of fresh air. and so simply done too.


I have also just started dystopian wars and really like it so far, totaly different to 40k but still fun to play, with some good rule ideas and detailed mini's, also as a starter fleet dosnt cost much its a nice change of pace with out having to invest too much cash.

[DarkLink]

I started Warmachine maybe 6 months ago or so, not because of GW but because it's a great game and quite a few people around here play it.

I like the new GK codex quite a bit, and have pretty much filled out my army for most everything I want. I also have good sized Eldar and Sisters armies, so if they get a new codex I like I might end up buying a bit for them, but beyond that I don't think I'll be buying any 40k stuff for a while.

[TSINI]

@TSINI - Concur with Dystopian Wars. Crazy fun game, with really really nice models! Can't wait for my Britannia Land Force.

I managed to get a look at the new FSA landships because one of the sculptors was hanging around triple helix last week

I'm not gonna go mad on the land forces (its all about air superiority for me :D) but i'll definately get a box set if they hurry up and get it ready.

[MarneusCalgar]

Thats the thing I don't understand (not suggesting you're doing it) is people selling huge armies because of a slight price rise

Its along the lines of saying "I don't want to pay another £1 for every model I buy, therefore I'll sell the 10,000 point army i've spent £1,000s on for half of what I've payed for it, rather than keep playing with what i've got and not buying new stuff" Its crazy

Personally I'm dedicated to GW. My armies at least are wonderful models and I don't mind paying for them

Yes, I agree, I´m reading these kind of reactions worldwide since last week and I find it very silly...

No one says "you MUST play only 5th edition rules with THESE minis"... I have over 20.000 points of Space Wolves and same of Ultramarines, more than 500 bucks each army... I´m not going to sell them ever. I will play with them until I die.

[Lord Azaghul]

I managed to get a look at the new FSA landships because one of the sculptors was hanging around triple helix last week

I'm not gonna go mad on the land forces (its all about air superiority for me :D) but i'll definately get a box set if they hurry up and get it ready.

Going Prussains all the way!

Love this game right now. Models are wonderful, full of charater and fun to paint.

Here's a few of my first:

http://i1087.photobucket.com/albums/j474/Lordazaghul/Dystopian%20Wars/Fleet1007.jpg

[TSINI]

Going Prussains all the way!
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nice stuff mate, i'm having issues coming up with my FSA colour scheme. the planes were simple, but the ships are proving more difficult.

to the OP, Sorry to De-rail your thread slightly lol

[Lord Azaghul]

I've actually switched my bigger ships/bombers to a gray, after a friend pointed out that I had done 'sea camo'



EDIT: on topic. I'm not exactly quiting 40k, but I am down sizing. I don't feel the need to support mutliple armies any more: Dwarves for fantasy, IG for 40k. Everything else gets sold, prices and company have gotten ridiculas.

I am getting into WM, its pretty much what played around here now...no one play's gw games anymore.

[Deadlift]

nice stuff mate, i'm having issues coming up with my FSA colour scheme. the planes were simple, but the ships are proving more difficult.

to the OP, Sorry to De-rail your thread slightly lol

That's cool, I'm seeing games I didn't even know existed :)

[BuFFo]

Thats the thing I don't understand (not suggesting you're doing it) is people selling huge armies because of a slight price rise

People are mainly dropping GW because GW has broken the last respect straw for many of our backs. Here is a small list of business/hobby blunders GW has done "just because they can, which means us customers are simply frakkin stupid sheep"

-Was switching to a cheaper material to save on production costs yet raising the prices not enough for you?
-Was banning sales to the southern hemisphere except by southern hemisphere retailers not a big enough thing to notice?
-Was an up-to 25% price rise on books and plastic kits something that skipped by?
-Was a doubling-down on secrecy and preview information something you didn't notice?
-Was reorganising WD subscriptions to arrive a week after they come out in stores to vague?
-Banned the use of many GW product images for online sales
-Tightened the reigns and attempted to control many I.R. on the internet through unfair practices.
-Get into an Army, like Tyranids, only to have the models you paid for WEAKENED and NERFED by a FAQ?
-Get into an Army, like Deamons/Tyrnaids/Space Wolves only to not have models available to you, like, ever, even years after a release?
-Have an army that has a codex with nearly decades old rules from TWO EDITIONS ago?
-Have updated rules come out for your army only years after the fact?
-Have rules written so vague that you have no clue whether you can use your $200 dollar unit one way one game or another way another game?
-Have basic rules written so sloppily and vague that you can play 20 different strangers and come across 500 different rules interpretations?
-Be insulted by a company that repackages regular items, like pva glue and kneadetitie, and sells them to your kids like they are top of the line at top of the line prices?
-Get into a company selling a war game whose mind is stuck in the 80's?
-Have your subscription to WhiteDwarf insult you by costing too much for essentially a monthly catalog?
-Got rid of their gaming forum years ago?
-Got rid of their bitz service?
-Banned internet sellers from using GW product images to sell GW products!
-Discontinued an entire army (Squats). Updates throught out the editions in WD would have been just fine. Money over Loyalty.
-Comes out with side armies in small codices/PDFs/WD, you buy the models, then discontinues the armies with ZERO support.
-Tired of playing scenarios as Xenos to make marine players feel good about themselves.
-No more "coming soon" emails to customers.
-Black Boxes are said to still be shipping, but will only be opened the day or, or immediately before the minis are publically available.
-The most advanced lead time or hints as to upcoming products will be the last page teaser in White Dwarf.

(list complied from various sources I have come across or seen personally, and every one is a truth, not conjecture)

I could go on... But these are the reasons I have dropped GW.

No other wargaming company I play, Privateer Press and Corvus Belli, does even ONE of these things.

Not one.

[Hive Mind]

Buffo if you hate GW so much why not just GTFO instead of banging on about it ad nauseum?

[daboarder]

Despite what Witdooley and many other fanboys would have you think, most people who express disctontent with company policy and cease to buy from GW will NOT sell their army of ebay, unless that army is incomplete and they can no longer afford to complete it. Personally I swore of Nids with the release of the new codex as the army I loved was a) no longer legal and b) I had no time or cash to make the army I would like to use. Does this mean I automatically ran of to ebay and started to sell everything off in a blind rage of GW hatred? Hells no I just boxed them and put them away until they either got a new codex or I had finished the other stuff I was working on.

[BuFFo]

Buffo if you hate GW so much why not just GTFO instead of banging on about it ad nauseum?

GTFO out of what?

The OP brought up the point that people leave only due to the price increase, and I addressed that that this isn't the case for many online users, and a few RL people, I have seen leave the hobby

I added to the dialogue by addressing the OP's statement with one of my own.

Could you troll a little less, and add something positive to the conversation? Less fanboy, more adult, okay?

[C.of.N.finity]

Buffo <--- Please see OP
Not really interested in a " I hate all things GW thread "
Please keep your hate mongering to yourself.

I love 40k, used to love fantasy but still getting used to 8th edition. I've been trying to branch out forever but all anyone plays around my parts are GW games and some PP which has it's merits but I don't much care for. I got a Dystopian Wars book and flashed it around and nobody blinked. That, and call me an elitist, but the fluff of the south winning the civil war and how was just kinda wonky. I even tried Infinity! I thought that game looked awesome! Steep as hell learning curve but afterward really dynamic and fun and so few models but once again nothing. I think I'm doomed :(

[BrokenWing]

I've tried other games before (for about 5 minutes) and aside from entirely random games of Battle Tech once in an orange moon, I never enjoy them anywhere near as much as I do 40k/Fantasy.

[Hive Mind]

GTFO out of what?

The OP brought up the point that people leave only due to the price increase, and I addressed that that this isn't the case for many online users, and a few RL people, I have seen leave the hobby

I added to the dialogue by addressing the OP's statement with one of my own.

Could you troll a little less, and add something positive to the conversation? Less fanboy, more adult, okay?

You don't need to write 'out' after GTFO. The O stands for out.

My comments are not limited to this thread. All you've done, that I can see, for the past while is whine and moan about GW*. We get it, you don't like GW. That's great. Why then are you hanging out on a forum largely dedicated to GW products and posting in a sub-forum entirely dedicated to GW products? Which one of us is the troll again? I personally despise the Montreal Canadiens, Manchester United and the New York Yankees but I don't feel the need to hand around their forums posting, ad nauseum and ad infinitum, about how much and why I dislike them and I certainly don't feel the need to label anyone who disagrees with me as a fanboy or troll.

And of course, I simply must be a fanboy troll because I disagree with you. It's funny to see you speak of being 'adult' whilst you employ the most childish 'debate' tactic that the internet has to offer.

I guess my point is that you and those like you should probably just stay out of the GW oriented parts of this and other forums and stick to the parts that deal with whatever it is you're into rather than inflicting your high-pitched nonsense on those of us who come here for the GW stuff.

*Well, you also posted some horrifically misogynistic things too but that's neither here nor there for the purposes of this discussion.

[BuFFo]

Cool story bro.

[scadugenga]

It's not so much as giving up on GW as just not giving them any more of my money directly.

Frankly--I don't need any more eldar. After 22 years, I can field pretty much what I want in whatever combination I want.

I'll still play the game, but there are other things that are every bit (if not more so) than 40k.

WM/H is a lot of fun. And no, I won't go all preachy about how better, etc. it may or may not be--since that's purely a matter of personal preference.

My group's been digging DW--a lot of fun, and yes--the South could have prevailed given the fact that DW is in a setting where technological advancements were radically different. You mess with a timeline early enough, you get radical changes. (EG, go read David Drake, Harry Turtledove & SM Stirling.) One caveat re: DW---the rulebook is anything but clearly laid out and organized. Pretty--and good rules, just not arranged all that well.

Classic Battletech will never die. It's fun and easy to play. Malifaux has great atsmosphere and tone, and grade a sculpts.

Or better yet--go outside. I spent an hour at the range yesterday putting my new bow through its paces. Hell of a lot of fun sending arrows down range, and getting the puzzled looks from the compound bow crowd when you start bending that longbow. :)

[BuFFo]

Which gives a better bonus to strength? Compound or composite? I am confused. You are speaking about WoW, right?

[C.of.N.finity]

Cool story bro.

Your only proving his point, and being a further troll by doing it. That being said, this topic wasn't meant to turn into another GW hate thread but it probably wasn't inteded to turn into 'why I hate a certian poster' thread either.

[BuFFo]

Your only proving his point, and being a further troll by doing it. That being said, this topic wasn't meant to turn into another GW hate thread but it probably wasn't inteded to turn into 'why I hate a certian poster' thread either.

I am tempted to keep trolling you, but this is turning out to be too easy, and I actually feel guilty.

Sorry if I pissed in your breakfast.

Hugs? :o

[C.of.N.finity]

I heard some mention of battletech, is anyone really still playing that game and how much does it revolve around just buying the best models?

[scadugenga]

Which gives a better bonus to strength? Compound or composite? I am confused. You are speaking about WoW, right?

That's D&D. :P Get it straight.

Compound: cams, pulleys, and no sense of shooting a bow.

Composite: laminated layers, etc providing a higher tolerance for draw-weight.

Better than D&D?

Shooting the real thing.

[BrokenWing]

I play it from time to time. The old system doesn't revolve around the best models at all. You have a tonnage limit, much like 40k has points limits. So if you have 200 tons to spend and take a pair of 100 ton mechs, you'll probably do alot of damage...but you'll be out numbered by....alot.

[C.of.N.finity]

I play it from time to time. The old system doesn't revolve around the best models at all. You have a tonnage limit, much like 40k has points limits. So if you have 200 tons to spend and take a pair of 100 ton mechs, you'll probably do alot of damage...but you'll be out numbered by....alot.

Ok, well just just sounds a tad shy of bad ***, why doesn't this get played more then? Is it still in production?

[BrokenWing]

It's a long story that involves FASA sucking as a company and selling out to Wizkids. It's in production again by Catalyst games, haven't seen the rules yet though.

The only problem with the old system is was complicated and could take a considerable amount of time to play. It was all done on hex maps, but there are fairly good rules for converting it over to a table top setting. Bit difficult finding the right scale terrain though.


The rules I use uses 2d6 for just about everything, you have to keep track of heat and ammo and when you hit someone you roll on a hit location chart. First few games will take you hours even in a small scale engagement, but after awhile it speeds up. I'll never forget crushing my friend's Awesome's head with my Atlas by ripping a tree out of the ground and clubbing him with it.

Also won't forget a long range missile dual two mechs had once. His mech fired and damaged a bunch of my armor. His was behind a hill with almost nothing of it visible, but I fired anyway. Out of a salvo of 12 missiles, 10 of them hit and all 10 hit the Cockpit and just to make sure, a few of them even criticaled. Blew the head off a 75 ton mech from across the table.

[BrokenWing]

To be fair though I did once try to jump a 35 ton mech to get a rear shot at an immobile assault mech. His mech pivoted its torso and proceeded to litterally remove the entire center torso, reactor and all, of my mech with one shot from his LBX-20 Autocannon.

[Morgan Darkstar]

People are mainly dropping GW because GW has broken the last respect straw for many of our backs. Here is a small list of business/hobby blunders GW has done "just because they can, which means us customers are simply frakkin stupid sheep"

You will undoubtedly lable me a fanboy for my responses to your points but here goes.


-Was switching to a cheaper material to save on production costs yet raising the prices not enough for you?
GW wants to make money, This will lead to a healthy company and new releases in the future.

-Was banning sales to the southern hemisphere except by southern hemisphere retailers not a big enough thing to notice?
feel sorry for the none EU people. Hovever when it comes down to it it doesn't affect me.

-Was an up-to 25% price rise on books and plastic kits something that skipped by?
See first response.

-Was a doubling-down on secrecy and preview information something you didn't notice?
dont really care.

-Was reorganising WD subscriptions to arrive a week after they come out in stores to vague?
This doesn't hapen in the uk

-Banned the use of many GW product images for online sales
i know what they look like.

-Tightened the reigns and attempted to control many I.R. on the internet through unfair practices.
it is their product. "unfair realy? it could be deemed unfair to undercut the prices of GW"

-Get into an Army, like Tyranids, only to have the models you paid for WEAKENED and NERFED by a FAQ?oh i have nids they're great "like frosties" so get over it codexes change.

-Get into an Army, like Deamons/Tyrnaids/Space Wolves only to not have models available to you, like, ever, even years after a release? well this is one thing that is an annoyance, but i can live with it.

-Have an army that has a codex with nearly decades old rules from TWO EDITIONS ago? see last point.

-Have updated rules come out for your army only years after the fact?
see last but one point.

-Have rules written so vague that you have no clue whether you can use your $200 dollar unit one way one game or another way another game?
?????

-Have basic rules written so sloppily and vague that you can play 20 different strangers and come across 500 different rules interpretations?
well thats an over-exaggeration if ever i saw one "unless you are talking about tinskel that is!"

-Be insulted by a company that repackages regular items, like pva glue and kneadetitie, and sells them to your kids like they are top of the line at top of the line prices?
well go and buy it elsewhere! it's not like gw are the first to do this.

-Get into a company selling a war game whose mind is stuck in the 80's?
i like the 80's

-Have your subscription to WhiteDwarf insult you by costing too much for essentially a monthly catalog?
dont buy it then.

-Got rid of their gaming forum years ago?
probably because of trolls......?

-Got rid of their bitz service?
again a slight annoyance.

-Banned internet sellers from using GW product images to sell GW products! again i can remember what the models look like.

-Discontinued an entire army (Squats). Updates throught out the editions in WD would have been just fine. Money over Loyalty.
gah! squats were awful.

-Comes out with side armies in small codices/PDFs/WD, you buy the models, then discontinues the armies with ZERO support.
see above.

-Tired of playing scenarios as Xenos to make marine players feel good about themselves.
I NOM NOM MARINES WITH TYRANDS!

-No more "coming soon" emails to customers.
they were rubbish, e.g. coming soon an anouncement that dark eldar are coming soon.

-Black Boxes are said to still be shipping, but will only be opened the day or, or immediately before the minis are publically available.
i can get over it.

-The most advanced lead time or hints as to upcoming products will be the last page teaser in White Dwarf.
see above.


(list complied from various sources I have come across or seen personally, and every one is a truth, not conjecture)

I could go on... But these are the reasons I have dropped GW.
awwwwww need a hug?


No other wargaming company I play, Privateer Press and Corvus Belli, does even ONE of these things.

not yet anyway!

woo this is going to be a long post!

[BuFFo]

The time you took to do that for me means a lot to me!

Thanks! :D

[Gir]

No other wargaming company I play, Privateer Press and Corvus Belli, does even ONE of these things.

Not one.

But they do charge more money for worse looking models.

[Hive Mind]

But you need less of them!!111!!

[scadugenga]

It's a long story that involves FASA sucking as a company and selling out to Wizkids. It's in production again by Catalyst games, haven't seen the rules yet though.

Dude...your knowledge is seriously off kilter.

Wizkids was started by Jordan Weisman. One of the two FASA founders (L Ross Babcock III being the other.)
So they didn't "sell out."

The money behind FASA, Mort Weisman, (Jordan's dad) wanted to retire and also believed that the pen&paper age of gaming was coming to an end--so they closed up shop and divvied up the IP.

Jordan started Wizkids. Battletech was licensed out to FanPro & Catalyst.

The newest version of the Btech rules is remarkably true to the original, and probably the best yet.

[wittdooley]

Despite what Witdooley and many other fanboys would have you think, most people who express disctontent with company policy and cease to buy from GW will NOT sell their army of ebay, unless that army is incomplete and they can no longer afford to complete it. Personally I swore of Nids with the release of the new codex as the army I loved was a) no longer legal and b) I had no time or cash to make the army I would like to use. Does this mean I automatically ran of to ebay and started to sell everything off in a blind rage of GW hatred? Hells no I just boxed them and put them away until they either got a new codex or I had finished the other stuff I was working on.

Ah, tossing out the old "fanboy" term because you, again, are creating an argument based on nothing. I never said anyone would be selling their army. Read a bit closer, and you'd note that I'm selling a WHFB army because I NO LONGER USE IT. At least make an attempt to read what you're attempting to respond to.

In fact, calling me a "fanboy" is a bit absurd, as I've made it plenty clear that I patronize plenty of other miniatures companies.

[BrokenWing]

It doesn't really matter to me how Wizkids came to get the license and destroy all the things I loved about the B-tech universe, I really hate that company. I still like FASA, but they weren't exceptionally well run.

I am pretty interested in the Catalyst stuff though. My old rulebook is falling apart on me.

[BuFFo]

But they do charge more money for worse looking models.

Possibly. I won't dispute that. All miniature companies sell ugly models, and many of these models are more expensive than better looking models of rival companies.

[Deadlift]

Not really interested in a " I hate all things GW thread " which I don't but I was just wondering how many of you guys have or are looking at trying alternative wargaming products and why.



As this ISNT SUPPOSED TO BE a I hate all things GW thread but just an investigation into alternatives to 40k, I just remembered a game that I like to play from time to time thats quite different to the mechanics of 40k, has some great looking minis and is different every time I play it. In comparison it was quite cheap for two players to start playing. However its no longer in production so ebay prices are quite high.

Yep its Space Hulk.

@ Buffo and co, please don't turn this into a "my games better that yours thread" theres enough of that already. I was more interested in what other games people played, are playing or looking at and why. I understand that GW policies could be the "why" players are looking else where but thats been covered already in so many other threads.

[Morgan Darkstar]

I am currently looking at a game called Firestorm Armada by Spartan Games.

however the playerbase in the north east is lacking somewhat.

[chromedog]

I've ALWAYS had a non-GW game on the playlist while I also play a GW game.

At the moment I'm playing Infinity as well as 40k.
In the past it was Battletech and 40k, Warzone and 40k, VOID and 40k, Stargrunt and 40k, Full thrust and 40k.
No matter what, it's always been another SF game though. I just don't get the fantasy genre with its flying horses and horses with pointy stabby sticks and fire breathing lizards.

Locking yourself into one company's product is fanboyish and straightjacketing. Fine if you like the look of the canvas jacket with the long sleeves and leather straps, but ultimately self defeating.

I'm waiting on Tomorrow's War in September as well. It won't replace Infinity (wrong scale) but it just might replace 40k.

[wittdooley]

I am currently looking at a game called Firestorm Armada by Spartan Games.

however the playerbase in the north east is lacking somewhat.

This becomes a major problem for every wargame not named Warhammer. Privateer is making this a bit more of a two dog race, but it still doesn't have nearly the player base that 40k does. I have armies for about every miniatures system that exists. My buddy and I occasionally get together to bust out some of these smaller games, but they see the table almost exclusively at his house over some beers. I could pick up a game of 40k at any of our LGS at nearly any time.

[BuFFo]

@ Buffo and co, please don't turn this into a "my games better that yours thread" theres enough of that already. I was more interested in what other games people played, are playing or looking at and why. I understand that GW policies could be the "why" players are looking else where but thats been covered already in so many other threads.

We never did, so don't worry.

[gridespider]

Started playing grind and Warmachine.. Ive also been dabbling in Jovian Chronicles, I still play the old 40k, like Advanced Space Crusades, and other of the G.W board Games instead.... I have them all.But when it comes to tabletop games of 40k?I seem to be playing less of them. .. My son is getting into tabletop games and he dislikes 40k.. his imagination is leaning more on a steempunk fantasy.( his drawings are awesome by the way) :eek: I have to admit 40K got to expensive for me so im out.I still have my collection and games, but i can no longer support it.....They don't support me.with the files purge from the internet ..boardgamegeek..and the rest of the cruelty G.W has blessed us with. Like some one else in this forum once told me. "Thers other game systems out there you just have to think out side of the box!".

[Lockark]

I've started getting into brush fire myself. It scales prety well and is fairly fun.
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[Bean]

It doesn't really matter to me how Wizkids came to get the license and destroy all the things I loved about the B-tech universe, I really hate that company. I still like FASA, but they weren't exceptionally well run.

I am pretty interested in the Catalyst stuff though. My old rulebook is falling apart on me.

The Catalyst rulebook is pretty reasonable, though it can't really avoid incorporating a bunch of the stuff that WizKids added to the game. At least it's not clix.

[BrokenWing]

Oh god the clix rules! I hate thee Wizkids! I hate thee!!

I have a sudden desire to go burn something with Wizkids on it, the only gaming company I just hate with a burning, firey, unending passion. Blood for the Blood God!

Ok I'm better now. Fun fact, my 20+ year old B-tech rulebook is falling apart, but it's in better shape than 90% of the codexs and army books I own that all fell apart 2 weeks after buying them.

[Lord Azaghul]

On of the things that has really replace whfb in our area is board games. It was really difficult to convince noob customers of the store to shell out the money for a GW army...but find a board game 5-8 ppl love and suddenly 3-4 players have bought a copy.

Some of the things that top our list:
Ticket to Ride
Qurickle Cubes
Mission Red Planet
Revolution
Guillotine
Poo
Nuts
7Wonders
Citadels
Battlestar Galactia
Shadows of Camlot

Just to name a few.
The importainly thing is we're all having fun, and we get to try out new things. Not too mention everyone isn't required to spend 500$ to play a game :P

[Rissan4ever]

I intend to keep playing 40K for as long as my hands can roll dice. The reasons are as follows:

1. I like the system. Sure, it has faults, but it's easy to play, and it's dear to my heart because it's what got me started in gaming in general.
2. I like the aesthetic. Blood, darkness, eagles, and don't forget the SKULLS!
3. I like the fluff. I find it to be a well-written, compelling story.
4. I like having lots of models on the table. Warmahordes, Infinity, etc. consider an army big if there's, like, 25 dudes. I play Imperial Guard because I like to throw down 100+ models in 1500pt. games. It makes me feel powerful, which is important, since I'm short and scrawny.
4. Money. I already have a whole lot of GW stuff, and I don't have the cash to move into a new system. I may try one when the kids are off to college, all my debts are paid, and I have disposable income, but that's waaaaaaay in the future.
5. Did I mention the SKULLS? I did? Oh, good.

[chromedog]

It's a long story that involves FASA sucking as a company and selling out to Wizkids. It's in production again by Catalyst games, haven't seen the rules yet though.


Jordan Weisman had a hand in setting up Wizkids (and according to some, more than just a hand). He was the headman at FASA.
Rules for the new Catalyst labs Battletech are the same as the original. Original BT mech sheets can be used with the new set of rules.
The minis in the box are for players who want to play out of the box - they aren't meant to be alpha quality scale models, but reasonably representative plastic playing pieces. They are at least better than the original plastic battlemech box)

[HsojVvad]

For me, I am not jumping ship, but they did price me out now. I was going to start a new army for my son, was going to buy Blackreach again, but when paying $100 the first time for it, and that came with the ammo box and templates, and now it costs $125 without it, that is like a $50 price increase when the box set first came out at $75, to me the price increases are just too much so why even bother then.

Yeah yeah, blah blah blah you still save money the thing is, I am just saving money from price increases but the 40% or more increase in Blackreach is not much of a price savings so now I just don't bother buying no more.

[Wishing]

Most of the people I've known that played GW games also played many other games, like Warmachine, board games, CCGs, computer games, etc. So trying out new games without dropping 40k sounds entirely natural to me. :)

I also feel that playing a directly competing game like Warmachine helps you appreciate the good things about 40k, and how there is room for several similar games that do different things well. For me, WM is good for having a simple system with few models but many intricate mechanics that makes it really intense and exciting to play. 40k on the other hand has a much more engaging and aesthetically rich visual range, and the plastic unit boxes are a joy to assemble and paint, and the game itself is much less intense and more beer-and-pretzels, which is a good thing if you just want to relax and throw some dice around.

[wittdooley]

Most of the people I've known that played GW games also played many other games, like Warmachine, board games, CCGs, computer games, etc. So trying out new games without dropping 40k sounds entirely natural to me. :)

I also feel that playing a directly competing game like Warmachine helps you appreciate the good things about 40k, and how there is room for several similar games that do different things well. For me, WM is good for having a simple system with few models but many intricate mechanics that makes it really intense and exciting to play. 40k on the other hand has a much more engaging and aesthetically rich visual range, and the plastic unit boxes are a joy to assemble and paint, and the game itself is much less intense and more beer-and-pretzels, which is a good thing if you just want to relax and throw some dice around.

+1; For me, 40k and WM/H scratch completely different itches. I enjoy competetive 40k (though hate spam) but refuse to play anything but casual WM/H. I enjoy painting my WM/H models more, for the most part, because there are more differences in a unit than there are in a 60-rat block of stormvermin. I enjoy modeling with 40k vastly more because of the previously stated reasons.

I never quite understood why people can't find room in their gaming hearts for more than one system.

[scadugenga]

+1; For me, 40k and WM/H scratch completely different itches. I enjoy competetive 40k (though hate spam) but refuse to play anything but casual WM/H. I enjoy painting my WM/H models more, for the most part, because there are more differences in a unit than there are in a 60-rat block of stormvermin. I enjoy modeling with 40k vastly more because of the previously stated reasons.

I never quite understood why people can't find room in their gaming hearts for more than one system.

Because then people would have to let go of the hate?

The internet might implode...

[JMichael]

I will certainly continue to play 40k (as I have been for over 20years), but have found Infinity a breath of fresh air.
Really great looking mini's and very fun rules.
The best part? It's cheap to get into!
A starter box is under $40USD from most online retailers and the rule are FREE from the company themselves!
www.infinitythegame.com
Army lists are included in the rule book and single expansion, Human Sphere. But those are also free for download, as are the templates and markers.

I've only run one demo at my store and already 4 of our 40k players have bought starter sets.
It won't be replacing 40k, but offers a fun and different game in addition to our GW addiction.

[Maelstorm]

I never quite understood why people can't find room in their gaming hearts for more than one system.

Well said @wittdooly.

I still have a huge pile of 40k stuff I've been collecting for well over 20 years - lots of beakies and solid lead Terminators and HQ figures to go with my Necron collection. That being said - The "core" group of 40k tournament players at my FLGS have backed off playing 40k on a weekly basis and are looking at Warmachine, Battletech and other games, heck - even RPG's.

We're all still spending our full allowance at the FLGS, it's just on different products from different (non-GW) manufacturers. Our FLGS hosts a Warhammer 40k tournament every month, but they also host a Warmachine/Hordes tournament each month and a full-blown Battletech campaign is taking off on Thursday nights. The biggest crowds in the store: "Magic the Gathering" players - now that's a mob...

[wittdooley]

The biggest crowds in the store: "Magic the Gathering" players - now that's a mob...

My wife refuses to go to our LGS on a Friday night for this very reason.

[tactica]

Im an Ork player and I now buy so many of my Models from a company called Ramshackle Games. Partly because they do some superb Orky looking vehicles and partly because they are much much cheaper, only about £5 to £8 for a Trukk.

Also I like Mantic, you can get loads of plastic Orks for like £30

[wittdooley]

Im an Ork player and I now buy so many of my Models from a company called Ramshackle Games. Partly because they do some superb Orky looking vehicles and partly because they are much much cheaper, only about £5 to £8 for a Trukk.

Also I like Mantic, you can get loads of plastic Orks for like £30

Yes, but you have to like how they look. I hate them. Now, the Kromlech ones are really nice. I'd get those were I an orky player.