GW damage control?

[daboarder]

WOW GW has really been in some PR damage control in Australia lately.

For the last few days they've been spamming pictures showing "happy" Australians buying overpriced finecast in their local stores.

Thoughts? is the current spate of GW publicity about oz a reaction to correct the Problems they face here? Or is it typical GW "we care about the hobbyists " blank face business as usual?

[Deadlift]

I also noticed last week the rather obvious and numerous pictures of Australians GW put on their website last week, I think I may have written something in a thread here about it in the lounge. Damage control, maybe their way of saying " look not all Australians are pissed at us ". Or it could just be nothing of the sort. Either way I don't really care much as I'm in the UK. ;)

[Spider-pope]

I really feel for our antipodean cousins. First they live in a country where every animal seems designed to kill you in a painful way, and now one of their few distractions from the deathworld like place they live has been made harder to afford.

[daboarder]

I really feel for our antipodean cousins. First they live in a country where every animal seems designed to kill you in a painful way, and now one of their few distractions from the deathworld like place they live has been made harder to afford.

To be fair we kinda like it like that.....just sayin'

Afterall there's nothing cuter than a platypus....until you find out they're poisonous. Best thing is, the cuter and cuddlier the animal usually means the more dangerous they are.

[faolan]

Uhm, if you've noticed a lot of those pictures aren't Australians, or taken in Australia.

Just sayin'.

[daboarder]

Uhm, if you've noticed a lot of those pictures aren't Australians, or taken in Australia.

Just sayin'.

Thats not true, for example I do know the people in some of the Sydney store ones. If you means the photo's overall I was commenting on the more than usual photo's form here, I think the last time we got a photo concerning OZ was over a year ago and it was only one of many. Just seems reactive to me.

[faolan]

It is reactive.

They had a few up the other day that have since come down - I saw them and pointed out that some where actually photos from the store I used to work at. In North Carolina. And one of them was almost a decade old - I know this for a fact since I was in the picture :D

[daboarder]

It is reactive.

They had a few up the other day that have since come down - I saw them and pointed out that some where actually photos from the store I used to work at. In North Carolina. And one of them was almost a decade old - I know this for a fact since I was in the picture :D

AHH ok fair enough. I saw the one the other day but I was kinda surprised by the one today. Guess it means that GW really does keep an ear out for what the hobbyist thinks, they don't necessarily do what we want but they are listening to an extent.

[Gir]

To be fair we kinda like it like that.....just sayin'

Afterall there's nothing cuter than a platypus....until you find out they're poisonous. Best thing is, the cuter and cuddlier the animal usually means the more dangerous they are.

With the exception of Swimming Knives.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Spider-pope wait to you encounter a drop-bear.

Yeah maybe it is a response to negative feedback, higher prices and i haven't looked at those pictures, but are the majority of them young teenagers by chance??
As we all know GW target such an audience and i doubt teenage hobbyist have much of a clue to whatis happening here with prices.

Maybe i will go and see now before bed.

[Defenestratus]

Did someone say drop bear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULEQpUY_crc

[Lexington]

Some part of me wants to believe this is a real attempt at damage control, but it's hard to believe that GW is so inept...

...oh, wait, this involves the internet. Never mind, makes perfect sense.

[daboarder]

sorry couldn't resist...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG_bDzX1p_U

[Drew da Destroya]

I noticed a lot of violence in the Australian pictures... brandishing knives, breaking down security gates, acting like zombies, etc... Not totally sure the pictures are actually showing happy Ozzies!

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Spider-pope wait to you encounter a drop-bear.

Yeah maybe it is a response to negative feedback, higher prices and i haven't looked at those pictures, but are the majority of them young teenagers by chance??
As we all know GW target such an audience and i doubt teenage hobbyist have much of a clue to whatis happening here with prices.

Maybe i will go and see now before bed.

... Umm we do, we really do. If not more so... It's not like people buy this stuff for us, all my freinds are feeling the pain D:

(sorry if people take offense, just I have heard alot of comments about how it "doesnt" effect us... I feel it's made out that are parents buy everthing for us D: )

[fuzzbuket]

i really feel for our antipodean cousins. First they live in a country where every animal seems designed to kill you in a painful way, and now one of their few distractions from the deathworld like place they live has been made harder to afford.

koalas will eat your soul!

[MarneusCalgar]

No, please, don´t make this the, again, GW hater new thread... How many we have since last week?

They try to do their best, of course they´re not perfect and they do it wrong, more times than we want, but please, stop moaning and whining about that errors everywhere!!

[Mobynick]

No, please, don´t make this the, again, GW hater new thread... How many we have since last week?

They try to do their best, of course they´re not perfect and they do it wrong, more times than we want, but please, stop moaning and whining about that errors everywhere!!

It's alright for you being in Spain. If you are not from Spain, UK or Germany it seems like you don't matter in GW eyes. Please don't take this a whinging, it's just a observation.
I honestly don't think it is reactive, coincidence I'd call it. When was the last time GW did anything for it's customers. They don't listen, they don't care, they just want your money. Gone are the days of "we are the games company for the gamers".

Last coment for MC .... I do hate GW, because they have killed the hobby in my neck of the woods. It has gone from a strong start with 5 of us "re entering" the hobby, to zero interest. Killed dead.

[C.of.N.finity]

Damage contol would suggest that GW has done something wrong. They havn't, just stopped third party retailers from undercutting them. Really this thread needs to go away as it's just gong to deevolve into one of the 100 other unfounded GW hate threads.


I do hate GW, because they have killed the hobby in my neck of the woods. It has gone from a strong start with 5 of us "re entering" the hobby, to zero interest. Killed dead. Yet your still here, so there has to be some interest. Use the rules with paper clips if you need to, nothing outside of official tournies suggest you need to buy the actual models. One might think you could even make a hobby out of it.

[daboarder]

No, please, don´t make this the, again, GW hater new thread... How many we have since last week?

They try to do their best, of course they´re not perfect and they do it wrong, more times than we want, but please, stop moaning and whining about that errors everywhere!!

The only one whose mentioned GW hate is YOU!!

Trolls like you ruin perfectly fine discussion about company policy, please go away, stop reading this thread and leave rational people alone.

[C.of.N.finity]

The only one whose mentioned GW hate is YOU!!

Trolls like you ruin perfectly fine discussion about company policy, please go away, stop reading this thread and leave rational people alone.

Heres a qoute long before mine:


No, please, don´t make this the, again, GW hater new thread... How many we have since last week?



I would wager that, becuase I read the thread, i have a good grasp of it in summary. I have found, in my uneducated self rightous and probably ill informed experience that those that argue 'policies' simply aren't. They're just crying about them. To argue policy, you have to know every facet of the company and the extension of every other policy they have in place. You have to be able to know the numbers, the staff, the functions of every facet within the company to be able to 'argue policy'. In reality, there is a policy, you know of it, you don't like it, and your crying about it. The rest is pure speculation.

[daboarder]

Heres a qoute long before mine:



I would wager that, becuase I read the thread, i have a good grasp of it in summary. I have found, in my uneducated self rightous and probably ill informed experience that those that argue 'policies' simply aren't. They're just crying about them. To argue policy, you have to know every facet of the company and the extension of every other policy they have in place. You have to be able to know the numbers, the staff, the functions of every facet within the company to be able to 'argue policy'. In reality, there is a policy, you know of it, you don't like it, and your crying about it. The rest is pure speculation.

Cool story bro.

So seeing as I must be dyslexic would you mind telling me where in the OP I argue that we should be outraged by the malicious and evil GW despicably posting images of poor god fearing Australian hobbyists being forced to pose for promotional pictures.

[C.of.N.finity]

Cool story bro.

So seeing as I must be dyslexic would you mind telling me where in the OP I argue that we should be outraged by the malicious and evil GW despicably posting images of poor god fearing Australian hobbyists being forced to pose for promotional pictures.

Why? Did I say that to you? Or is it you can't read your own posts? Either way, your outburst aside, it doesn't affect the point I made nor the general attitude of this thread to turn towards more GW crying.

Let me explain: You wouldn't have a topic on GW damage control unless you believed that there was damage to control, least so I would assume. My point of view, as equally viable as yours, is that there isn't any damage becuase there hasn't been anything done that's wrong. The only reason I comment on your opinion is becuase it's one thats already been shared in 100's of threads that eventually can be summed up with one large angst filled whine - and of course that kinda thing just gets tiresome after awhile.

[daboarder]

Mods can you please lock this thread, it was merely intended as a comment on some images posted on the GW website and their relevance given the current "political" climate. However I think it is going to devolve very quickly into the kind of thread that should be locked.

[C.of.N.finity]

Mods can you please lock this thread, it was merely intended as a comment on some images posted on the GW website and their relevance given the current "political" climate. However I think it is going to devolve very quickly into the kind of thread that should be locked.

Ok look, maybe I can explain this in a way that doesn't make me look like an asshat.

There is no political climate. GW made a change, thats it. As soon as they did so, there were tons of people saying "oh, they're saying FU to aussies" etc. THey weren't. Period. They made a policy change, that's it. But these tons of people saying these type of things created this 'climate' your referring to; it's purely manufactured, it has no base in any fact other than a passing reference to the change then a bunch of specualtion.

So here comes this thread that, in your words, references this political climate. If this climate is manufactured and revolves around a storm of nothing but negativity and GW hate, then any post referencing it will do nothing but be consumed by and eventually perpatrate it.

All I, and a few others were saying, is please don't let that happen. Your anger and opinion have merit but it's been said and felt an overabundance of times and honestly I think I'm not the only one thats tired of this artificially created 'political climate' dominating forums.

Locking this thread might be the best thing for it, but it's fate was decided as soon as it was created and not by my posts.

[daboarder]

There is no political climate. GW made a change, thats it. As soon as they did so, there were tons of people saying "oh, they're saying FU to aussies" etc. THey weren't. Period. They made a policy change, that's it. But these tons of people saying these type of things created this 'climate' your referring to; it's purely manufactured, it has no base in any fact other than a passing reference to the change then a bunch of specualtion.

So here comes this thread that, in your words, references this political climate. If this climate is manufactured and revolves around a storm of nothing but negativity and GW hate, then any post referencing it will do nothing but be consumed by and eventually perpatrate it.



....I agree. thats kind of what I wanted to do merely discuss the topic however I've reached what appears to be a similar conclusion to yourself, that the topic will be inevitably bogged down in slander, therefore its probably better to kill it off now.

just another note: by changing their policy and in essence alienating Aussie consumers GW have change the climate in which they operate and have generated a lot of ill will by doing this. regardless of where you stand on the numerous actions taken in the last week we should all be able to agree that they have had a drastic effect on the hobby in certain areas.

[Deadlift]

You guys may have seen this already. This I thought was a well thought out, polite but subjective open letter to GW. No hate mongering but to the point.

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/an-open-video-letter-games-workshop

[C.of.N.finity]

You guys may have seen this already. This I thought was a well thought out, polite but subjective open letter to GW. No hate mongering but to the point.

http://www.miniwargaming.com/content/an-open-video-letter-games-workshop

I agree, this is a very well thought out and articulated video that makes sense. However, I can't say that he's right. Again, you would need to have all the numbers available to make that call. For instance, in the video he says "I noticed that when you made us take down your pictures, we noticed a decrease in sales. You might have thought that was fine - that if we didn't sell it maybe some other place did or maybe you did on your website but thats wrong", paraphrasing of course. However, he wouldn't actually know that was wrong at all as he, like us, have none of GW's financials. Sure, he's making logical sense but it is still based off of speculation - well articulated speculation and, judging by tone of voice, a little anger stemming from that issue which does tend to cloud facts (or lack thereof).

Also, I had to listen to this twice to make sure I was hearing it correctly so PLEASE correct me if i'm wrong, but I believe he actually says "There were people, in my store, that could buy from overseas at cheaper than I could get it wholesale". Doesn't this actually support GW's change, or have I missed something?

"Also, you shouldn't call one of your largest online retailers freeloaders. Sure there was a little bit of that going on becasue they didn't contribute to the Australian market but..." But nothing. It was a truth as you (Matt) pointed out, that means they have the right to say it.

"<in terms of prices for starter boxes> I know I'm comparing two different things but..." again, but nothing. Your comparing a skirmish game with an army based game. His point here had merit, but was clouded by the PP scare tactic and the recognition and then disregard that these were two completly different kinds of games.

This video started off well but all it amounted to was a lot of speculation and someone having a grasp of some aspect of the business believing (firmly) that he could tell a different, larger, older, more experienced company how to do their job without any of the facts. Have you guys ever had some customer come into your job and tell you 'what they know' and how to run your business? Maybe someone see you discipline your kid and then they try to tell you how you should raise your family? That was this guy.

Anyway, this is definatly not the place for this rant so I apologize deeply to the OPer, this was the first time I had seen this video and went with it.

[Lexington]

"<in terms of prices for starter boxes> I know I'm comparing two different things but..." again, but nothing. Your comparing a skirmish game with an army based game. His point here had merit, but was clouded by the PP scare tactic and the recognition and then disregard that these were two completly different kinds of games.
Nonsense. 40K and WM/Hordes are both "company" level games, which operate as a mix of squad and individual model rules. PPs games scale down better, sure, but model counts and scale of effects for both tend to be quite similar. Those looking for "army" games should take a gander at Epic 40K, which also has the upside of being a fantastic set of rules.

[C.of.N.finity]

Nonsense. 40K and WM/Hordes are both "company" level games, which operate as a mix of squad and individual model rules. PPs games scale down better, sure, but model counts and scale of effects for both tend to be quite similar. Those looking for "army" games should take a gander at Epic 40K, which also has the upside of being a fantastic set of rules.

Sir, your rampant fanboyism has been noted elsewhere and I think previals over better judgement here. "company level" is relative, needing 5 models over 20 is a legitamate difference in scale. This combined with many gameplay differences between the two games would equate into them being two entirely different games.

Disregarding fantasy as the difference in scale should be so readily apparent as to warrent being legally assualted not to recognize it - I'm sure you could make a HoMachine list that mirrors a lot of the traits of 40k. However, if a dog is the size of a cat and eats the same kind of food as a cat, it doesn't make it the same species as a cat nor would you listen to someone tell you that they are.

[DarkLink]

I am thoroughly impressed by C.of.N.finity's ability to start a flame war in every thread he touches, despite his low post count.


PPs games scale down better, sure, but model counts and scale of effects for both tend to be quite similar.

Now, I haven't played too much warmachine yet, but this makes no sense to me. I've played in an 80000 point apocalypse game with literally thousands of models (no that it was particularly fun, Apoc sucks). 1500pt armies, even the small ones like Grey Knights, typically have well over 30-40 models, depending on the codex.

Warmachine, on the other hand, strikes me as having something more like 30-40 models max, in a large game. You can go bigger with some armies, but I still don't see how the scale of Warmachine is so similar to 40k.

[C.of.N.finity]

I am thoroughly impressed by C.of.N.finity's ability to start a flame war in every thread he touches, despite his low post count. .

You are a great liar and I will fight you becuase you are a liar!


:p

[daboarder]

Sir, your rampant fanboyism has been noted elsewhere and I think previals over better judgement here.

If were going to start slinging mud and other things heres something. doesn't your join date and the fact that all your posts C.of.N have been pro-GW fanboyism themselves indicate we should also disregard your own posts?


I hope the above example shows why you shouldn't start throwing crap around the forums as it serves no purpose and comes back to bite you.

Mods I once again humbly request this thread be locked.

[C.of.N.finity]

If were going to start slinging mud and other things heres something. doesn't your join date and the fact that all your posts C.of.N have been pro-GW fanboyism themselves indicate we should also disregard your own posts?


I hope the above example shows why you shouldn't start throwing crap around the forums as it serves no purpose and comes back to bite you.

Mods I once again humbly request this thread be locked.

If my comment was too harsh then I apologize, I only cited fanboyism as if was the only logical reason one could find any comparison in scale between the two games - a reaction one might take if they felt a loved game was somehow insulted. Saying he made an error in judgement also isn't slinging mud as I did go on to explain why I believed it to be an error in judgement while never putting down his intelligence. I think your seeking hostility in my words now, perhaps trying to seek out hypocrisy... and it might be in there somewhere, becuase I am human, but not with this.

Also, I don't believe I've championed GW at all, not a single time. I think your using fanboy in the same way most people use apologist but, however you meant it, it doesn't invalidate any point I've made by itself.

I think you might need a deep breath and just relax just a little.

[daboarder]

ummmm......YOU MISSED THE POINT!!

I was, as we say here, taking the piss to prove a point. That point being that anyone can say and interpret almost anything on a forum.

[C.of.N.finity]

ummmm......YOU MISSED THE POINT!!

I was, as we say here, taking the piss to prove a point. That point being that anyone can say and interpret almost anything on a forum.

Not just to keep posting replies one after the other, I know it's annoying to look at but: That was your point? Really? Do you honestly feel you represented that point with the utmost of clarity?

I do agree with your point, now that it's clear, and would even add that unlimited interpretation isn't just restricted to forums. However, given the educated nature of those involved I'm sure we can hammer out some of the finer meanings to the words we use on these forums and then make a thoughtful response. Least, I believe we can.

So, now that I see your point, what was it you were trying to prove with it? That words can be taken out of context to make someone look bad, etc? If thats it, I would agree but placing my words back into context I don't believe I did anyone any harm and if I did then I apologize.

[wittdooley]

I am thoroughly impressed by C.of.N.finity's ability to start a flame war in every thread he touches, despite his low post count.



Now, I haven't played too much warmachine yet, but this makes no sense to me. I've played in an 80000 point apocalypse game with literally thousands of models (no that it was particularly fun, Apoc sucks). 1500pt armies, even the small ones like Grey Knights, typically have well over 30-40 models, depending on the codex.

Warmachine, on the other hand, strikes me as having something more like 30-40 models max, in a large game. You can go bigger with some armies, but I still don't see how the scale of Warmachine is so similar to 40k.

You made a Grey Knights army with 40 models? Wow. I think the most I've put in one is 31? To be fair, I haven't made one based on the Inquisition yet.

[DarkLink]

GKs would be on the low end of the 30-40 model count. Most other armies would have a minimum closer to 40 guys. And I have been taking Coteaz and 2-3 melta acolyte squads in razorbacks. Though that's in 2000pts. 1500pt lists would be more like 30 guys, and I wouldn't bother with the acolytes. They're just a couple of disposable melta/scoring units that can bring a few extra Rhino chassis to provide cover and target saturation.

[Da Gargoyle]

Back to the original point. I suspect you saw a bunch of photos involving Ozzies because they recently released the resin cast figures here. They are very impressive in detail and much better to handle than metals because they glue together much more easily.

However I do note that the week after, despite the Ozzie dollar being stronger than it has ever been, we have been advised of a GW price rise. I would have thought with the new material prices might have gone down.

In regards to the other issues raised on the site. Koala is best stir fried with chilli and coriander to counter act the strong taste of eucalyptus. Crock's go well with ginger, and they aren't all that dangerous because they are not venomous. Sharks and snakes, well its 50 50 as to who eats who. You just know the winner has earned it. And no one boils Aussie fauna.

And not all spiders are bad. The 6" huntsman that shared our bedroom was the only other female the wife would tolerate there. :o

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

The only one whose mentioned GW hate is YOU!!

Trolls like you ruin perfectly fine discussion about company policy, please go away, stop reading this thread and leave rational people alone.

How is Marneus Calgar trolling...? He raises a good point, there have been many hate threads. Maybe it hadnt been said.. But i didn't need to be it was implied (I know this is late... )

Tbh... I think the UK has for more dangerous animals than the Australia ( ;) ). We have a Loch Ness Monster, whats as awesome as a big Scottish monster? oh and we have all those swans...

[Deadlift]

How is Marneus Calgar trolling...? He raises a good point, there have been many hate threads. Maybe it hadnt been said.. But i didn't need to be it was implied (I know this is late... )

Tbh... I think the UK has for more dangerous animals than the Australia ( ;) ). We have a Loch Ness Monster, whats as awesome as a big Scottish monster? oh and we have all those swans...

Big Scottish monsters ? That's no way to describe the women north of the boarder.

[MarneusCalgar]

How is Marneus Calgar trolling...? He raises a good point, there have been many hate threads. Maybe it hadnt been said.. But i didn't need to be it was implied (I know this is late... )

Thank you man!!!

I wasn´t intending to troll... Only showed my opinion about how tired is to read a GW´s hater daily thread...

[L192837465]

You are a great liar and I will fight you becuase you are a liar!


:p

CNF: I think I love you. You use actual vocabulary to get your point across without ever being brash with anyone in particular.

I bow to your derailing prowess!