Finecast Second Wave

[eldargal]

Edit: Due in August apparently.


Not sure if this qualifies enough to be 'news' or put it in GW general but I'm sure someone will want to know what to wait on or to pick up before changing to resin:

WH40K
Tyranid Venomthrope
Eldar Warp Spiders squad
Eldar Howling Banshee squad
Eldar Harlequin squad
Inquisitor Karamazov
Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing

WHF
Dwarf Engineer w/ Great Weapon
Dwarf Thane w/ standard
Dwarf Grudge thrower
Dwarf High King Thorgrim
Lizardmen Slann Mage priest
High Elf Korhil
High Elf Prince Tyrion
Dark Elf Dreadlord on Cold One
Dark Elf War Hydra
Khorn Lord on Juggernaut
Beastmen Doombull

LotRs
Vault Warden Team
Witch King of Angmar
Dragon
Uruk-hai siege ballista
Gondor battle trebuchet

Chaos
The Changling
Greater Daemon of Khorne
Greater Daemon of Tzeentch

Light, resin Howling Banshees that will be easy to convert, I'll be in my bunk.

[Chronowraith]

Light, resin Howling Banshees that will be easy to convert, I'll be in my bunk.

Fantastic... ummm... for the howling banshees that is. What you do in your bunk stays in your bunk...

[Necron2.0]

As something of an official Finecast Naysayer(™), let me just say, "grumble, grumble," followed by a vigorous "harumph."

Master of the Ravenwing being in something other than metal makes a lot of sense, though ... if they can get their casting process under control. Generally I wouldn't expect too much in the way of problems with this one. From personal casting experience, pieces that are large (relatively) with not too much in the way of fiddly details usually come out fine. Things like Lelith, with lots of small feathery details will come out badly unless some more advanced casting techniques or used (which is why I bought her first, as a test). Of course, that's not going to stop me from insisting on opening the box and physically inspecting the piece before I buy.


What you do in your bunk stays in your bunk...

Hmm. If it doesn't spill out onto the floor and involve several more rooms, I'd argue she's not doing it right. ;) :D

[eldargal]

Yes, at present I recommend anyoen buying a Finecast model to open it in the store first, that way if there is something wrong you can swap it right away.

I don't think it is the casting process that is problematic, it is Quality Control. Miscasts should not be packaged up and sent out to stores, but they are. It isn't like it is impossible to get perfect casts, it can just take a few tries. Which isn't good enough, I agree.

[SotonShades]

Will be interesting to see how Karamazov and the Master of the Ravenwing come out. Both being larger pieces, or having larger componants.

Not to mention those greater deamons are currently a pain to assemble, so having them in resin will be brilliant :)

[Galadren]

I think I'll be buying a Finecast Hyrdra because A) wouldn't mind a second Hydra and B) I can stop dragging around the metal one that keeps falling apart because I can't be arsed to pin it.

[CouchViking]

Happy face for my eldar, I have been wanting to to put some harlies in my army for quite some time. Sad face for my new Khorne Zerkers as I was hoping that they would be my test bunnies for this new fangled finecast jazz.

[CrimsonTurkey]

I don't care if the casting is so bad that half the venomthrope is missing, it will still be way less of a pain.

[Wildeybeast]

I don't care if the casting is so bad that half the venomthrope is missing, it will still be way less of a pain.

Yeah, I took one look at those when they were released and knew I wouyld never buy, not after the pain in the arse that was the metal Hive Tyrant. However, I've been very pleased with the new FC Tyrant, so I thin i'll pick up some venomthropes. And maybe some zoanthropes that don't constantly fall over and chip/break every time someone breathes on them!

[fuzzbuket]

Happy face for my eldar, I have been wanting to to put some harlies in my army for quite some time. Sad face for my new Khorne Zerkers as I was hoping that they would be my test bunnies for this new fangled finecast jazz.

wait arnt zerkers plasic anyway? i thought it was only plaguies and TS in metal with noise mariens being hybrids

[UltramarineFan]

wait arnt zerkers plasic anyway? i thought it was only plaguies and TS in metal with noise mariens being hybrids

Plague marines were metal, they are now Finecast, Thousand Sons are still hybrid, noise marines I don't know, either hybrid or metall and bezerkers have been plastic for a few years now..

[dark_phoenix]

I may tell take a look at the harlequins and howling banshees when they are released as I have wanted to convert a mirror swords exarch for some time now and my executioner exarch needs rebuilding as the arm snapped recently. Plus then I could field two small squads instead of one large one if I choose to.

I have also wanted to try harlequins out and this seems to be a good time to do it!

[Jive Tyrant]

Yes, at present I recommend anyoen buying a Finecast model to open it in the store first, that way if there is something wrong you can swap it right away.

One effect this is having on me is that I won't buy FineCast from online retailers - I'm only buying it direct from the store so that I can take it back and exchange it INSTANTLY if there's a problem. For two reasons, actually. First, I dont want to wait, and second, the online retailers margins are small enough already, that having to deal with returns will kill off any profit they are making.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd be in MY bunk right now. But I'm not, so I think it's a happy (for GW) coincidence.

And for the record, every FineCast I've bought so far has been perfect.

[Dalleron]

Resin Sammael? Damn, I might have to pick that up. I hate the metal one, though it's an ace model, its too heavy.

[Lockark]

wait arnt zerkers plasic anyway? i thought it was only plaguies and TS in metal with noise mariens being hybrids

Tksons and Noise Mariens are both hybrids. Plague mariens are full metal with the exceptions of plastic backpacks.

[Kettu]

So, when does this 2nd wave actually come out?

[Kawauso]

Oooh, I will finally be able to realize my dream of a Thousand Sons Daemon Prince using the head/wings from a Daemon of Tzeentch...with -NO- metal!

[isotope99]

Oooh, I will finally be able to realize my dream of a Thousand Sons Daemon Prince using the head/wings from a Daemon of Tzeentch...with -NO- metal!

An ebay griffon from the Island of Blood might be cheaper. :D

Good news on the greater daemons, presumably the other two will follow.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Finecast Plaguebearers will be totally worth it - the casts could be absolute dog poo and it wouldn't actually matter that much!

[TheBitzBarn]

One effect this is having on me is that I won't buy FineCast from online retailers - I'm only buying it direct from the store so that I can take it back and exchange it INSTANTLY if there's a problem. For two reasons, actually. First, I dont want to wait, and second, the online retailers margins are small enough already, that having to deal with returns will kill off any profit they are making.

If I was a conspiracy theorist, I'd be in MY bunk right now. But I'm not, so I think it's a happy (for GW) coincidence.

And for the record, every FineCast I've bought so far has been perfect.

As an online retailer I would say to anyone with an issue Call GW Customer Service as they would most likely send you a new model they have in the past

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Finecast Plaguebearers will be totally worth it - the casts could be absolute dog poo and it wouldn't actually matter that much!

Ironically better in some ways o.O?

[CouchViking]

wait arnt zerkers plasic anyway? i thought it was only plaguies and TS in metal with noise mariens being hybrids

I was talkin about Kharn and the skull champions on the gw site, for converting and stuff.

[Lockark]

As an online retailer I would say to anyone with an issue Call GW Customer Service as they would most likely send you a new model they have in the past

In all honesty I suggest this even for models you bought in store. As if you go threw costumer service you get to keep the defective model for your bitz box, and get a brand new one in the mail.

If you exchange it in store, then the store must keep the defective model to send back so they can get it refunded them selves.

[HarlekissofDeath]

I myself haven't had any problems with the finecast models I've bought, and I absolutly love them. My Asdrubael Vect conversion so was soo easy. Try doing that in Pewter (no thanks). I can't wait to customize even more now because of the ease to do so with the Finecast. I'm super happy that GW decided to do this. Besides they just started Finecast, the first go at everything is never perfect, hold your horses and it will get fixed..

[Necron2.0]

Finecast Plaguebearers will be totally worth it - the casts could be absolute dog poo and it wouldn't actually matter that much!

Ooh! Ooh! Marketing opportunity! Maybe they'll sell all the returned miscasts as Plaguebearers!! :D

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I was talkin about Kharn and the skull champions on the gw site, for converting and stuff.

Agreed the Skull Champions are awesome... But Khȃrn reallly needs an updated model, so I'd prefer to see a khȃrn looking like his Artwork in Finecast

[daboarder]

I have yet to see a comparison myself but some people I trust have suggested that the finecast model's are larger than the Metal ones due to the absence of contraction. This may mean that several power armored and other models that desperately need a sizing redo may appear at the correct size, or at least notably less midget. I'm interested to find out if this is the case for Dante and Mephiston in particular, Abbadon is still a midget however.


PS: what is the materials bend strength in other parts of the world. In OZ the sprue piece I got a look at was quite elastic and I would like to know if this is due to the ambient temperature here as it is only winter and if they are this flexible now I think many people will be left with puddle's come summers 40 degrees Celcius.

[eldargal]

Yes apparently there are some serious temperature problems, though it seems unclear if its some batches or all of them.

[Anggul]

I didn't care about the striking scorpions, they're stable and are fine in metal, but Harlequins now? Damn it I bought 10 of them not long ago!

[Docmani]

Any timeframe on the release?

I'd love some Harlequins.... I was also waiting on Karamazov....

[eldargal]

Oh, right, August was mentioned. I meant to edit the first post with that but I forgot.

[Revarien]

Crud... need to find a metal Changling in this state! *ghhk*

[sergentzimm]

In all honesty I suggest this even for models you bought in store. As if you go threw costumer service you get to keep the defective model for your bitz box, and get a brand new one in the mail.

If you exchange it in store, then the store must keep the defective model to send back so they can get it refunded them selves.

I wouldnt count on this. A buddy of mine had to call about a horrible box of incubi he got. They said they are starting to track returns and may start having the models be sent back. It seams there are people taking advantage or they got caught flat footed with failcast.

[wittdooley]

I wouldnt count on this. A buddy of mine had to call about a horrible box of incubi he got. They said they are starting to track returns and may start having the models be sent back. It seams there are people taking advantage or they got caught flat footed with failcast.

Seams, eh? I thought we called them mold lines. Oh wait. Your mastery of the language is just poor. At least you spelled "failcast" correctly. You clever dog you.

[sergentzimm]

Seams, eh? I thought we called them mold lines. Oh wait. Your mastery of the language is just poor. At least you spelled "failcast" correctly. You clever dog you.

Yeah its early and no caffeine yet. Does that work?

[wittdooley]

Yeah its early and no caffeine yet. Does that work?

I only called you out because of your use of "failcast;" I think people using this "clever" moniker are fools. Failcast, despite the introductory shortcomings, is so superior to metal it's a joke.

Here's a reason why Finecast is so much better than metal:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/5804891226_b92abe1d54_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/)
Vanguard Vets (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/) by wittdooley (http://www.flickr.com/people/60733910@N07/), on Flickr

I converted all five of these in about an hour. No problems, whatsoever. Further, I was able to save the arms I didn't use for models in the future.

[Firebird]

oooooo....Master of the Ravenwing...... I might have to pick up say 5 of them and turn them into regular Space Marines with jetbikes!

[sergentzimm]

I only called you out because of your use of "failcast;" I think people using this "clever" moniker are fools. Failcast, despite the introductory shortcomings, is so superior to metal it's a joke.

Here's a reason why Finecast is so much better than metal:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/5804891226_b92abe1d54_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/)
Vanguard Vets (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/) by wittdooley (http://www.flickr.com/people/60733910@N07/), on Flickr

I converted all five of these in about an hour. No problems, whatsoever. Further, I was able to save the arms I didn't use for models in the future.

It will be failcast to me until they get their QA process in order. Around here its 10-15% terrible casts that should not have been let out of the factory. I am also not sold on the "safety" of the resin. Overall its their attitude that has me pissed about it enough to slur their marketing ploy.

The models, once cleaned up, look great. That assault squad is a great example of what a lighter material can do. Hell when BFG gets the treatment, I might actually pick up some of the battleships, as they will not destroy the bases.

[Grailkeeper]

I dunno if this has been mentioned or touched upon- I was in Covent Garden GW a few days ago looking at finecast for the first time. According to the man behind the till there specialist games are going to be the last thing to get the resin treatment and that won't be for a long time. I said if that meant a couple of years and he said longer.


Now that may not necessarily be true, he didn't look like he'd run all the way from head office with the latest finecast gossip. But if it is true its a real shame for necromunda (et al) fans.

[sergentzimm]

I dunno if this has been mentioned or touched upon- I was in Covent Garden GW a few days ago looking at finecast for the first time. According to the man behind the till there specialist games are going to be the last thing to get the resin treatment and that won't be for a long time. I said if that meant a couple of years and he said longer.


Now that may not necessarily be true, he didn't look like he'd run all the way from head office with the latest finecast gossip. But if it is true its a real shame for necromunda (et al) fans.

Well with the lag time for two waves being three months, I would expect specialist games to hit in 2020...

[wittdooley]

I am also not sold on the "safety" of the resin.

What does this mean? What safety concerns do you have? I don't understand why people keep questioning the safety.

FWIW, I used my dremel on the Vanguard Vets and there was very, very little dust. It sanded much more like plastic as opposed to other resins I've worked with.

[eldargal]

People seem obsessed with the safety of the new resin, its absurd. FW put safety warnings on their resin kits because they have to by law, as certain safety precautions are required. GW do not put warnings on Finecast because no such warnings are required because the stuff is safe. If GW were lying/wrong about this they would be facing product recalls, lawsuits, terrible publicity and possibly fines. It is just beyond belief that they would do it.

[sergentzimm]

People seem obsessed with the safety of the new resin, its absurd. FW put safety warnings on their resin kits because they have to by law, as certain safety precautions are required. GW do not put warnings on Finecast because no such warnings are required because the stuff is safe. If GW were lying/wrong about this they would be facing product recalls, lawsuits, terrible publicity and possibly fines. It is just beyond belief that they would do it.

Until I see a MSDS sheet on whats in the resin, I will be taking precautions and assuming breathing the stuff will be toxic. Just because there isnt a regulation requiring the warnings doesn't mean it's good for you.

[krispy]

anyone know if there is plans from GW to move most white metal models to the new resin? i have wanted a thunderfire cannon but not bought one because of all the bad things i read about the white metal kit - one of the new lightweight ones would be a lot nicer i think.

/krispy

[Deadlift]

Until I see a MSDS sheet on whats in the resin, I will be taking precautions and assuming breathing the stuff will be toxic. Just because there isnt a regulation requiring the warnings doesn't mean it's good for you.

My bullmastiff has eaten so much of my forge world bitz that if it were dangerous he would be dead, I am guessing this stuff GW use for making kids toys is quite safe, on a side note the dog still hasn't **** out a nurgle deamon yet either :)

[TSINI]

When the Red Terror comes out... (If?).... I'm going to be throwing this bloody metal one out the (ebay shaped) window, its a pain in the backside to get it to stay together.

I used to have an industrial superglue for these metal models, but now thats run out I only have a fairly standard superglue to hand, and heavy models just want to fall apart.

Same for my unbuilt Zoanthrope, several resin ones please me more than glueing one more metal one together again.

[wittdooley]

Until I see a MSDS sheet on whats in the resin, I will be taking precautions and assuming breathing the stuff will be toxic. Just because there isnt a regulation requiring the warnings doesn't mean it's good for you.

Facepalm. Do you make your kids wear a facemask while playing t-ball too?

[Wathapend2urfase]

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[Wathapend2urfase]

hahaha. be in your bunk. It reminds me of something jayne from firefly would say.

[sergentzimm]

Facepalm. Do you make your kids wear a facemask while playing t-ball too?

No but I do make sure to not snort hazardous chemicals. Eating resin and getting it in your lungs are two different things. Go ahead and laugh at me for being safe. I dont really care if you die of cancer because you trusted a company. Just look at the company in Canada that still makes asbestos, they think its ok to sell it to the third world. Guess its ok since a company said so...

[Morgan Darkstar]

Until I see a MSDS sheet on whats in the resin, I will be taking precautions and assuming breathing the stuff will be toxic. Just because there isnt a regulation requiring the warnings doesn't mean it's good for you.

i got my first finecast mini today Njal (Nigel) Stormcaller, while i was painting him i realised that i was absent mindedly chewing on a piece of the sprue (Tasty nom nom):D

If i become ill i will let you know.

ps

Breathing any sort o fine particulate into your lungs is generally bad for you! thats called common sense.

[wittdooley]

No but I do make sure to not snort hazardous chemicals. Eating resin and getting it in your lungs are two different things. Go ahead and laugh at me for being safe. I dont really care if you die of cancer because you trusted a company. Just look at the company in Canada that still makes asbestos, they think its ok to sell it to the third world. Guess its ok since a company said so...

Dude, seriously? Snorting resin dust and inhaling small bits are as different as smoking a cig vs. inhaling it second hand. If you're considering snorting the resin particulate in the first place, maybe this isn't the hobby for you.

As for "random Canadian company" you're quoting: Well of course they're going to sell it to the third world if they're willing to buy it. They certainly can't sell it any longer in Canada and the US. Comparing the Finecast hybrid resin to this is absurd, particularly when you consider that GW has a written, official statement espousing the saftey of it.

[C.of.N.finity]

Dude, seriously? Snorting resin dust and inhaling small bits are as different as smoking a cig vs. inhaling it second hand. If you're considering snorting the resin particulate in the first place, maybe this isn't the hobby for you.

As for "random Canadian company" you're quoting: Well of course they're going to sell it to the third world if they're willing to buy it. They certainly can't sell it any longer in Canada and the US. Comparing the Finecast hybrid resin to this is absurd, particularly when you consider that GW has a written, official statement espousing the saftey of it.

You might as well quit waisting your energy. He's determined to hate it regardless of any logic or facts to prove otherwise. There's a name for that sort of thing, but it usually differs depending on wither it's just a simple disregard of facts or if it's combined with the fear of change.


while i was painting him i realised that i was absent mindedly chewing on a piece of the sprue (Tasty nom nom)


That's just... somehow wrong, lol. Helluva way to test something, for sure.

[Mr.Pickelz]

I'm glad the old metal Greater daemons are getting some love, and i hope those new Harlies also come with all the options, like fusion guns and Kisses, and so forth.:D

Now all i need is an eldar codex that allows me to take a pure harlequin army...;)

[Necron2.0]

i got my first finecast mini today Najal (Nigel) Stormcaller, while i was painting him i realised that i was absent mindedly chewing on a piece of the sprue (Tasty nom nom):D

If i become ill i will let you know.

Two days later, and here's Darkstar now:

http://members.cox.net/necron2.0/img/cwtent2.jpg

[Morgan Darkstar]

Two days later, and here's Darkstar now:

Raggggggghhh!! nom! nom! :D

ps.

anyone got any idea when they will be releasing Khasaro Khan in finecast?

[Lockark]

At my FLGS they finally got some fincast in. They were not able to get it in when it 1st came out, heck they were not even able to order it in untill the updated prices and codes were given to them. (But that's a complaint about GW practices for another day)


It appears they came from latter batches and from what I saw the birbubble issues are almost non-existent. Out of the 8 they got only one had a minor airbubble. The flashing issues (Witch was only a minor annoyance anyway) is almost non-existent now also.


It looks like GW worked out the kinks with thier process with these latter batches. Was wondering if anyone is seeing the same?

[wittdooley]

At my FLGS they finally got some fincast in. They were not able to get it in when it 1st came out, heck they were not even able to order it in untill the updated prices and codes were given to them. (But that's a complaint about GW practices for another day)


It appears they came from latter batches and from what I saw the birbubble issues are almost non-existent. Out of the 8 they got only one had a minor airbubble. The flashing issues (Witch was only a minor annoyance anyway) is almost non-existent now also.


It looks like GW worked out the kinks with thier process with these latter batches. Was wondering if anyone is seeing the same?

I got a box of Vanguard Vets from the 2nd batch and they're damned near perfect. A slight airbubble on two of them (on vials on the belts).

I converted the hell out of them, and there was much rejoicing.

[BrokenWing]

yay.

[Lane]

DComparing the Finecast hybrid resin to this is absurd, particularly when you consider that GW has a written, official statement espousing the saftey of it.

Testing labs make mistakes, especially if they are fed incomplete usage data or they are run by the government.


If GW said Finecast was meant for 12+ (not that they wil refuse to sell to 6 year olds) they may not have tested for ingestion. If the did not expect people to file/ sand them they may not have tested the dust.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

I want to buy some Sterngaurd vets when they come out, i already own a full squad but want another 6 for my LR Achillies.

any chance you want to show them off??

[wittdooley]

NP.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3051/5804891226_b92abe1d54_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/)
Vanguard Vets (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5804891226/) by wittdooley (http://www.flickr.com/people/60733910@N07/), on Flickr

Thats just the bare resin and plastic. Converting them was really easy.

I'll get some more up when I get around to painting them.

The fact that you can swap heads and arms on them is so nice. I was never up for the pain in the butt that is converting metal, but it's not even a concern with these guys.

[BrokenWing]

Were they actually multiple pieces? That would be awesome.

[eldargal]

Yes I've heard that from a few sources now too, that the batches of Finecast sent out in the lst few days have been much, much better than the first batch.


At my FLGS they finally got some fincast in. They were not able to get it in when it 1st came out, heck they were not even able to order it in untill the updated prices and codes were given to them. (But that's a complaint about GW practices for another day)


It appears they came from latter batches and from what I saw the birbubble issues are almost non-existent. Out of the 8 they got only one had a minor airbubble. The flashing issues (Witch was only a minor annoyance anyway) is almost non-existent now also.


It looks like GW worked out the kinks with thier process with these latter batches. Was wondering if anyone is seeing the same?

[wittdooley]

Lets see... None of them had seprate heads; those were molded on so I clipped them filed the space with my dremel. All had at least 1 arm that was separate. In that regard, each model has at least one non-issue arm, but not all of the new arms were on the side w/o the separate arm.

Dude w/ LC has two new arms. I made the decision purely based on how easy it would be to remove the arms without any auxillary damage.

Dude with the Storm Shield has a weapon arm that would be harder to remove w/o auxillary damage, so I swapped his weapon at the hand (used to be a chainsword I think). The same goes for the guy in the middle with the Glaive.

Also, the arms I did not use for these guys were saved, because the shoulders on them are still really nice veteran shoulders.

Again, really a joy to work with. I wait in anticipation for the other veteran sets to come out in finecast so I can chop and hack them to bits as well.