How emotionally invested in this game are you?

[Necron2.0]

I am not emotionally invested in this game at all. I'll admit that from the start. I only play this game because my friends do. If they were to announce tomorrow they were sick of it and renounced this game forever, every single GW product I own would be on Ebay the following day. I enjoy the game, but I've been playing war games for almost 20 years. I'm not married to this one. I do enjoy painting the minis, but then again I've been painting miniatures for 27+ years. Personally I don't find Citadel minis to be as "stunning" as some people do, although I normally will pay between $25 to $30 for a mini that I would consider stunning. I do find the Eldar (both varieties) to be aesthetically pleasing, but the Orks are comic book caricatures, and the humans (especially the marines) aren't much better. Now honestly, look at this image and tell me you cannot find a little humor in such an itty-bitty head on so huge and misshapen a body.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/thumb/4/4f/Marneus_Calgar_by_Karl_Kopinski.jpg/452px-Marneus_Calgar_by_Karl_Kopinski.jpg

The art work is top notch, but every time I see this it reminds me of the shrunken head guy.

http://api.ning.com/files/AJrK8Dv4v7ETRhn804th2vswBviiRAxvpEw-ItR19TmeASkWkWh-XA-3IkKkr-Dcd11OqPJJpN0aXW8xLurFT8FlGQp2gjeg/beetle.jpg

Recently, I and others have made some statements of fact that have generated a rather unexpected outpouring of angst. Caught by surprise, my knee-jerk reaction was to assume it was either zealotry, obnoxiousness or (in some cases) possible stoogery. Lately it has occurred to me it could be something a bit more primal, akin to the situation where a buddy brings his new girlfriend around to show off, only to hear you say, "Wow ... where did you dig THAT up?"

So ... what's your story? How emotionally committed are you to this game? Is it your passion or just your pass time? Is it your one true love or just something you "hit" whenever you get the itch?

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Have to say it's my passion, no other wargame intrests me tbh :)... Oh and the Marneus Calgar only looks weird because of Perspective, it seems to be a minor devation from the looking up prospective, meaning his head looks tiny, because his fists and legs look so godawfully big, which also applies to him having about half-a-foot of armour on his chest alone (forcing his head back further)

[eldargal]

I'm very emotionally invested in it, which isn't to say I won't criticise GW when I think it is warranted. Sadly I think most criticism is unwarranted or at least overblown beyond all sense of proportion.

If it weren't for Eldar I wouldn't be so interested in in 40k I have to admit, they really are stunning ranges. I'm with you on the humans, besides the SoB I find the IG and SM ranges a bit dull.

I always thought the actual man part of Calgar was just in the torso in that picture (he lost his arms and legs againt the Tyranids or someone) and the rest was just massively armoured cybernetics in an ornate terminator suit. Almost half dreadnought if you see what I mean.

[Necron2.0]

I always thought the actual man part of Calgar was just in the torso in that picture (he lost his arms and legs againt the Tyranids or someone) and the rest was just massively armoured cybernetics in an ornate terminator suit. Almost half dreadnought if you see what I mean.

Hmmm. Maybe he's looking like Mr. GrumpyPants then because he's got an itch on his nose he knows he can't do anything about. :D

[Hive Mind]

Can you imagine?

"Itchy nose... whoops my power fist is still activated. Bye-bye head."

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Hmmm. Maybe he's looking like Mr. GrumpyPants then because he's got an itch on his nose he knows he can't do anything about. :D



haha, i could just picture that huge powerfist trying to scratch his nose

[eldargal]

Maybe he has one of those wierd little flying robot babies do it for him.

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

For me, i'm emotionally involved. Having infested so much money and so many hours painting my SoB army, how can i not be. But its not just how much i have spent, i love fluff, miniatures and ability to play them against all others. And mostly win.

It's a passion you get when you play so many years i think. I have played since Rogue Trader days (the rpg that is) and then in 2nd Ed with DA's. Sold them off as soon as i say SoB and never turned back.
Lately i have bought into SM's again, only Salamanders, i guess thats because they too like melta/flamers and i also love to paint them.
Emotionally there is nothing better than when friends come to me to paint their character miniatures and after they are done i can look at them (the figure that is) and be proud of the painting i have to the best of my ability.

[Denzark]

I am as emotionally invested in a hobby as I could be having played since 1990...

I think why there is so much zealotry in the recent discussions is a backlash against the PP Fanboys etc (I'll lump them all together).

If you took them back to childhood, it would somewhat grate if someone was coming up in the playground singing 'Na-Na-Naa-Na-Naaaaa, your expensive toy (gun/Buzz Lightyear/car/thermonuclear device/insert here) is broken! Mines not, its cheaper and better and we can play better games with it. AND the manufacturer hates you, you should only use this brand because its so much betterer...'

This is pretty much the equivalent of what people have been doing and I find it quite annoying myself - something about the gloater or boaster that doesn't sit well with me. Long ago when BoLS started to branch out, I suggested more than once they should split the content (ie www.belloflostsoulsW40K.net, www.belloflostsoulsWFB.net, www.belloflostsoulswarmahordes.net).

Then fanboys can play in their respective sandboxes without winding up the others.

Until then the rivalry and sniping across the lines will continue. I just hope they remember that if PP ever became big enough to truly threaten GW, they would probably have moved from 'cottage' to 'big industry' and would therefore probably become corporate whores.

[MarneusCalgar]

I´m also emotionally involved...

Not only for the years buying the stuff, even for the money spent on that!!

It has been the first miniatures´ game so... It´s the one that opened that gate

[Wolfshade]

I am emotionally involved, I love my hobby. If I didn't play 40k I would not wargame. I've tried other systems and they didn't capture me as much, and now with the brilliant books coming out its just going deeper and deeper, coupled with the beautiful sculpts.
My transition from 2nd to 3rd was a hard one, I felt betrayed that they changed my beloved ruleset so much, but 3rd slipped to 4th and now 5th with less upheaval each time. I can now look back and shudder at the size of games we used to play with 2nd ruleset and how cumbersome they were, but still have my rosetinted spectacles when a huge death company squad engaged and killed off 4 greater demons and needing more dice then there were in the house.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Yep, despite my beefs with GW, I will always love 40K and no other. I've tried, lord knows I've tried, but the other guys just don't cut the mustard for me. I certainly can get hobby fatigue (I just went to spray my Stormraven after 2 hrs of building it with what I THOUGHT was metallic silver but is glitter silver - it now looks like it is the personal transport of KISS...) and I only play twice per month usually, but I honestly would not bother with other gaming if GW disappeared.

[Necron2.0]

I´m also emotionally involved...

Not only for the years buying the stuff, even for the money spent on that!!

It has been the first miniatures´ game so... It´s the one that opened that gate

I'm assuming you meant it is your first miniatures game. I've been playing wargames with miniatures since the 70's. I have no historical reference to confirm it, but I'm sure miniature wargames go back at least to the 1700's.

[Lockark]

Recently, I and others have made some statements of fact that have generated a rather unexpected outpouring of angst. Caught by surprise, my knee-jerk reaction was to assume it was either zealotry, obnoxiousness or (in some cases) possible stoogery.



I'm sorry. But for the love of god. That line in the context of your OP post; If that isn't flame bait I don't know what is.

It's obvious the point of this topic was to try and purposefully create the "knee jerk" reactions in this community your looking for, and try and prove to your self something. (Saying that we are emotionally invested in this hobby, and "morally" you are not.) You tried to create a rhetorical argument that you could win.

This topic proves to me that if anything, you are emotional invested in Internet Arguments. Congrats. lol

[Necron2.0]

I'm sorry. But for the love of god. That line in the context of your OP post. If that isn't flame bait, I don't know what is.

It's obvious the point of this topic was to try and purposefully create the "knee jerk" reactions in this community your looking for, and try and prove to your self something. (Saying that we are emotionally invested in this hobby, and "morally" you are not.) To create a rhetorical argument that you could win.

This topic proves to me that if anything, you are emotional invested in Internet Arguments. Congrats. lol

Sometimes, people say exactly what they mean, with no alterior motives. There are plenty of things that I am emotionally invested in. For me, this game is not one of them. There isn't any moral high ground here, one way or another. I created this thread in an effort to promote understanding, because I have been having a hard time understanding why (in my view) minor criticisms from myself and others could elicit such strongly negative responses.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Sometimes, people say exactly what they mean, with no alterior motives. There are plenty of things that I am emotionally invested in. For me, this game is not one of them. There isn't any moral high ground here, one way or another. I created this thread in an effort to promote understanding, because I have been having a hard time understanding why (in my view) minor criticisms from myself and others could elicit such strongly negative responses.



I guess thats kind'of Ironic really seeing as the comment you just recieved, accusing you of alterior (hows that spelt O.o?) motives. Not that I am accusing anyone, and I am ALL for understanding as recently there hasnt been much of that going about in this community D:

[Lockark]

Sometimes, people say exactly what they mean, with no alterior motives. There are plenty of things that I am emotionally invested in. For me, this game is not one of them. There isn't any moral high ground here, one way or another. I created this thread in an effort to promote understanding, because I have been having a hard time understanding why (in my view) minor criticisms from myself and others could elicit such strongly negative responses.



If what you say is true then I will lay it out for you quite simply:


Instead of making a topic asking the community "what is wrong with us?", ask your self if their is something wrong with your self.

No one was attacking your opinions. They were trying to engage with you in conversation. You are the one who got upset.

When I see a topic like this were the OP is referencing these past topics, I do not see someone trying to create understanding. I see someone who is still upset they were not able to win the perceived arguments that are now done and over.



Some of us forget at the end of the day that this is a forum about toy soldiers, and their is no reason to get upset over something so trivial. If you truly are not trying to troll the community at this point, then I do legitimately think you have been upset by the past few exchanges were people disagreed with your opinions.

People disagreeing with your opinions on toy soldiers is not the end of the world.

To a certain extent this post also gose out to Unzuul the Lascivious who also seems to have gotten upset recently.

I truly and sincerely doubt anyone on this forum truly hates either of you. I can personally and sincerely reassure at at-least I have no grudge ageist either of you.

[Drew da Destroya]

alterior (hows that spelt O.o?)

Since somebody asked, so I shouldn't be accused of Grammar Fascism, the proper spelling is "ulterior".

Regarding the topic, I've got some emotional investment in the game/IP/expanded universe. It makes up one of my major hobbies, and is even invading some of my other hobbies (reading and video games). I raged out when I first read the "Necrons and Blood Angels: BFFs" fluff piece, I engage my other 40k-playing friends in discussions of the game and underlying fluff, I spend inordinate amounts of time hacking bitz to pieces so my Orks all look different (well, maybe the Shootas and Sluggas are pretty similar, but my Nobz are all unique!), I usually have BoLS or GW.com open while I'm at work (sometimes Warseer, but that's much rarer).

I've invested lots of time, money, and energy into this universe, and I take a good amount of happiness out of it. I don't really take it personally when other people who are less invested don't get the same experience, though, or express a different opinion. I guess at the end of the day, I don't particularly care what those other people think, since they aren't really impeding my ability to enjoy the universe. They do provide a useful source of information on "hot button topics", such as the recent Finecast and Price Rise "Discussions". I had already decided that I liked the move to Resin (I hate metal models), but was wary of the first batch. Reading some people's negative reviews justified my decision to wait a few months before picking any up (and possibly waiting until after August, so they don't ship in the brutal heat and melt on their way here!), but hardly swayed me into thinking that Finecast was a bad idea, or some type of money-grab by GW.


TL;DR - Long, rambling, incoherent, and internally contradictory opinion containing lots of run-ons, comma splices, and parenthetical statements that probably isn't worth reading. Also, it's spelled "ulterior".

[Brettila]

After 16 years, and quite possibly that many 1000's of dollars, I am definitely invested in this game. Both financially and emotionally. I don't give a rat's about fluff, I just recently read my first novel (as it was shoved in my face by a friend), but I love to build and paint models. Furthermore, playing the game is fun! Does anyone else remember how they played the game for fun; before the days of 'competitive lists' and tournament mentalities all the time? I teach 13 year olds all day. I use my hobby to keep me from strangling the first idiot to mouth off to me outside of work. 40K was my first miniature game. I must admit to enjoying WAB more (being a history teacher and all), but I will never give up on 40K. Hell, if GW goes away at some future date I will still play as long as I can find opponents to set minis up across the table from me. :D

[Denzark]

respect to you brettila!

[scadugenga]

I wouldn't know that I call myself emotionally invested in the game.

I've played since '89, so I've definitely put my time in, but in all honesty?

If the game went away I wouldn't be all that put out. There's a whole wide world out there with new and interesting things to discover and do.

The game's a lot of fun--don't get me wrong. And I enjoy the social interaction and keeping in touch with old friends via gaming--but life's just too damned short to over-focus on one thing to the exclusion of everything else. :)

And Lock? I don't think Necron2.0 was trying to flamebait--I took the OP as being genuinely interested in people's opinions/experiences.

And it can get pretty hot in here when perspectives clash. :)

[murrburger]

Yeah, I'm emotionally invested in the game, having spent so much money on it.

I also play Warmachine, D&D and collect nice miniatures made by various other companiens. (No prepainted, though). I used to play Battle Tech, but... not in a long time.

I love 40K, but I am absolutely not a GW fanboy. However, I think a lot of the criticism against them is largely without warrant. GW is not my friend, they are a company. I don't feel any 'loyalty' towards them. I just play 40K because the fluff is good, the models are amazing, and the gameplay is fun.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Oh and the Marneus Calgar only looks weird because of Perspective, it seems to be a minor devation from the looking up prospective, meaning his head looks tiny, because his fists and legs look so godawfully big, which also applies to him having about half-a-foot of armour on his chest alone (forcing his head back further)


But then the stone plinth edges behind his head wouldn't be parallel. Additionally, you'd see a distortion in the shoulder pad inner edges. I just see the image as being 'exaggerated heroically'.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Since somebody asked, so I shouldn't be accused of Grammar Fascism, the proper spelling is "ulterior".

Thanks Drew


But then the stone plinth edges behind his head wouldn't be parallel. Additionally, you'd see a distortion in the shoulder pad inner edges. I just see the image as being 'exaggerated heroically'.

Fair play. That also makes sense :)

[jorz192]

I am being completely serious in this response, just a heads up.

I am 20 years old, people honestly say I'm good looking, and I am going to college
with most of my tuition paid through scholarships. but I can't socialize.

I have bought and sold on ebay wisely so that I actually have made money off
my WH40k addiction.

Sometimes I have wanted to just sell all my models and try to do something more
normal, the only other person that plays 40k in my area is my brother and we don't
even have games once a month. But I still break out a different codex every day
to make a balanced army at a different points level or designed to wipe out his Tau.

It's my way of coping with things which is pathetic but when I want to do something
else I can never find people to hang out with.

I live in a rural area which doesn't help things and have to be medicated for
Obssessive compulsive Disorder among other things.

So basically, I am too emotionally invested in this game and I feel infantile assembling,
painting, and gaming with toy soldiers. But it's what I do I guess.

[BuFFo]

I am as emotionally invested in GW products as GW is emotionally invested in me. :p

[Deadlift]

I don't know about emotionally invested, but I do enjoy the creative side of our hobby. I run an amusement arcade and it's quite stressful at times. It's a 14 hour day and it's not unheard of to have somebody screaming and shouting at me for loosing their money etc etc, having a pub next door which throws alcohol into the mix can make for interesting evenings I can tell you. So for 1 hour a day I lock myself in my office, turn on some music and dig out my space marines. I maybe painting or sticking stuff but for that 1 hour I can relax and I can make it to the end of the day. I am also quite proud of what I have acheived over the last 5 years in painting standards.
Before my "hobby hour" I was stressed and I admit to having anger issues. A gym membership and this hobby helps me to relax and in turn just be a better father and husband because I now have some time to chill. So emotionally involved in the hobby ? I don't know but I get something out of it that is positive to me. That can't be all bad can it ?

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

... That is a very, very good thing (Y)

[Uncle Nutsy]

emotionally invested? what's that?

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Lols...

[Emerald Rose Widow]

Before my "hobby hour" I was stressed and I admit to having anger issues. A gym membership and this hobby helps me to relax and in turn just be a better father and husband because I now have some time to chill. So emotionally involved in the hobby ? I don't know but I get something out of it that is positive to me. That can't be all bad can it ?

I would say that is fairly positive, having something to vent into and release stress with is pretty important in this world. I am willing to bet a lot of people with major anger issues who act on them poorly do so because they lack a means to chill, or at least a good means (not that some of them wont have those issues with predisposition, but i think you know what i mean).

[DarkLink]

I am as emotionally invested in GW products as GW is emotionally invested in me. :p

So the question is, who's the big spoon;)

[BuFFo]

So the question is, who's the big spoon;)

I don't spoon with GW anymore, since all it wants to do is fork me over constantly.

[Drew da Destroya]

I don't spoon with GW anymore, since all it wants to do is fork me over constantly.

Well if you'd just fork over your cash already, they wouldn't have to knife you in the... plate.

[Necron2.0]

And all this flatware coitus is precisely how the "spork" came into being. ;)

[Emerald Rose Widow]

And all this flatware coitus is precisely how the "spork" came into being. ;)



kinky

[Uncle Nutsy]

And all this flatware coitus is precisely how the "spork" came into being. ;)



ooh, that's hot.

:p

[DarkLink]

So I guess GW would be like that roommate that never bothers to wash their dishes and always has a big pile in the sink?

[TheRise]

You call this a "game"?!
How could the matter of these poeples lives being risked at war be called a "game"?!
This is something you haven't witnessed!
Me and my comrades will be hurt!
For the emperor!!!!






does this remind you of anybody you know?

[Deadlift]

I have no idea what this thread is about anymore lol :confused:

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I have no idea what this thread is about anymore lol :confused:

yeah, im pretty lost about it too lol

[DarkLink]

I didn't know what this thread was about to begin with:rolleyes:

[Drew da Destroya]

So I guess GW would be like that roommate that never bothers to wash their dishes and always has a big pile in the sink?

Junior year, I had 2 of those roomates at the same time. The whole friggen room was disgusting. Luckily, I didn't spend much time there... managed to find other sleeping arrangements that semester ;)

[Hive Mind]

Junior year, I had 2 of those roomates at the same time. The whole friggen room was disgusting. Luckily, I didn't spend much time there... managed to find other sleeping arrangements that semester ;)

I had four of those guys last year.

[Duke]

If it is at all possible, I would suggest a resurgence of on topic posts.

Duke

[Carpenocturn]

Am I emotionally attached, yes!

Rambling diatribe follows and follows and could go on and on and on

Since Warhammer Fantasy, picked up on a holiday break, was a hardcover rule book and you could individually tailor your heroes.
Then Rogue Trader with its terrible binding and points values based race/vehicle design; a vehicle with 8 shields to get through before you tested against its T10, carrying 10 Orks with sealed suits, photo-contacts, LOL, suspensors on macrocannons and re-breathers.
I’ve written to complain about not allowing Pikes & shields, sent Jervis a card/miniature/board game for 40K, written background for everything 40k wise I own or want to*


What these changes in GW strategies mean to my mind
Games Workshop has fulfilled the prophecy by becoming the enemy of itself. It is in fact more like the Imperium of man than the 40k version because it is real.
Head in the sand, total dictator backed up with violent legal reprisals when it feels challenged. A refusal to accept new technologies that may contain unpleasant side effects that challenge core beliefs.
“No Forums for me. People tell me my company is doing it wrong! They are all mistaken because I know the marketplace and their opinions better than they do.”
Warhammer 40k biggest success is that it is an eternity balanced on the precipice of salvation and despair. It is a universe where no matter what you do, however nobly intentioned, it is based on supporting a cosmic joke. The Imperium will kill itself to preserve itself. Orks make war to make war. The Eldar will never recover, no matter how much they fight it, their destiny is set. Even the emergence of the Tau, fast growing, technologically advanced is now stymied by an old adversary, Tyranids.
40k is a game of pure entropy and now, sadly, so is the company’s outlook.


The Internet
Is everywhere at every time. To succeed in the current environment means a far larger commitment to online interaction with customers than most companies are ready to manage. It’s not about making forums for people to discuss your product, participating in tradeshows or hosting tournaments and competitions.
It is about being directly integrated into the customer’s environment.
Yes you want them to discuss your latest rule book on the forum and tell you what they like and don’t like about it BUT, you must also be ready to hear how some other company is/has done it better.
It hurts. Then you learn how to be better.
“Life hurts, anyone telling you otherwise is selling something.” – Misquoted Wesley from Princess Bride.



Broad generalization
People often compare the European mindset to that of the “New World”
The best dystopic works will come from Europe with its roots firmly buried in hundreds of years of horrific, ideological slaughter and blind obedience to authority.
Utopic thought comes from new nations with new dreams who challenge the established order or create new ones as circumstances change.

This is how I hope games companies such as Privateer Press, Spartan Games and Mantic Games will do business
I know of no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them but to inform their discretion.
Thomas Jefferson
Ask the players what they want, discuss what you can deliver, listen to the feedback, and act on the feedback.


For the future
I cannot, morally, support a company I no longer believe in, thats how bad it is for me. It even taints Dark Heresy, Rogue Trader and Deathwatch because they still pay GW.
I quit for a year when GW dropped Dark Heresy in what I consider a, now signature, disasterous decision. I'm now looking at the much, much longer term and it does indeed hurt, but perhaps it will make me better

TLDR
There isn't one. Grow an attention span.

[Wishing]

I would say that there are parts of GW's universe I am emotionally invested in, and parts I just think are cool. And many parts I think are stupid. :)

The parts I am most emotionally attached to are the parts I encountered when I was a young teenager. The joy of nostalgia makes me very fond of these aspects, moreso than new and cooler things. For me, these are mainly Adeptus Titanicus titans and 2nd ed Blood Bowl. Because I am so attached to these, I really hate new developments that try to usurp the status these things hold in my heart, such as Epic 40k titan designs and 3rd ed Blood Bowl. Note that these attachments are all aesthetic, though. The 3rd ed Blood Bowl rules are vastly superior to 2nd ed - it's exclusively the 2nd ed models and design style I love. :)

I guess I also get emotionally attached to models and ideas once I feel like I've made them my own somehow. Take the Tau army - overall they don't interest me that much, they look OK mostly but I don't have any especially warm feelings for them. However, there is a paint scheme for Kroot that I think looks really really good, so I bought a bunch of Kroot models and started to make an army out of them with that colour scheme. Once the models are mine and I've painted them, I feel very attached to them and would get really upset if I lost them or something happened to them.

So I have emotional attachments to various parts and aspects of these games, but only selectively, ie. the ones I personally choose to make up my personal hobby experience. I have no emotions for or against GW as a company or any other macro-level aspects of the hobby.

[mikethefish]

If you took them back to childhood, it would somewhat grate if someone was coming up in the playground singing 'Na-Na-Naa-Na-Naaaaa, your expensive toy (gun/Buzz Lightyear/car/thermonuclear device/insert here) is broken! Mines not, its cheaper and better and we can play better games with it. AND the manufacturer hates you, you should only use this brand because its so much betterer...'



I am somewhat confused. Is this supposed to be an example of what PP fans have been saying or an example of what GW fans have been saying? If it's your contention that one "side" is worse than the other, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. Silly factionalism exists on both sides, to be honest.

[ankhcitizen]

Emotionally invested? I don't know, I mean can you get emotionally invested in crack? cigarettes? ... I need help (sobbs uncontrollably).

[chromedog]

I'm emotionally involved in the wargaming hobby.
40k and GW not so much at this point. I can switch my figures over to another ruleset with a bit of tweaking and it would be just as good to me. I got tired of the grimdark for grimdarkness' sake in 2nd ed - hence why my SM army's fluff is not part of it.
It touches base on a few key points, but otherwise, is not even a 40k piece.

My GK and guard don't even have fluff. I just don't care enough about the game background to bother. They are shiny guys with guns who kill EVERYONE and the guys who get fed into the meatgrinder feet first.

My Eldar, does have fluff, but even that takes the pis*.
The name translates as "They who sit by the fire and sing songs of past glories".

[Denzark]

I am somewhat confused. Is this supposed to be an example of what PP fans have been saying or an example of what GW fans have been saying? If it's your contention that one "side" is worse than the other, I am afraid you are sadly mistaken. Silly factionalism exists on both sides, to be honest.

What PP fans have been saying. However but.com, I exclusively visit 40K forums so whilst I fully acknowledge zealous fanboys on both sides, if the 'kill the warcaster to win' fans stayed in their sandbox, there would be no justification for my comment.

[Wolf-Tau]

I would not call it emotionally invested but I have been playing since II ed.

My wife knew I played with "soldiers" before we were married and it has been a part of my life, not emotionally. My emotions are for my family (wife and two boys) if GW went down the tubes tomorrow, sure it would suck but i'm not jumping out a window because of it.

WT

[Dastrike]

Anything that is taken to the level of buying and playing some sort of emotion investment is always in there.

Like most this was my first true miniatures game that I had played back during second edition, but the sheer fact that like most of the people who do play are gamers. We never just stop at one game and say that is all I will ever play. Most 40k players have a fantasy army, which then leads to having a warmachine army, but you like history so you bought that flames of war army but he right next to that was some random off shoot game that you wanted to try.

That is just the world of miniatures and not even counting the RPGs and videogames that people invest just as much if not more time into, ie World of Warcaft and Call of Duty.

I am Who I am, I am a gamer and I don't just stop with one game.

[mcfarlane50]

Hmm... I don't think I'm too invested in the game but I probably won't be getting rid of my minis anytime soon. Since I play sports and other games with people I can pretty easily disconnect from wargaming but it's like an addiction that I always keep coming back to over longer periods of time.

[Necron2.0]

I didn't know what this thread was about to begin with:rolleyes:

I created this in an attempt to gauge where people are coming from. On various threads I've heard people comparing this game to their passions for skydiving and scuba diving. To me, that sounds a bit like comparing a Segway to a Jaguar XJ. Similarly, I and a few others have questioned the relative worth of some new products that GW has produced recently. We were even somewhat subdued in our criticisms too (If you think otherwise, google what some people - myself included - have to say about VW and then we'll talk). Even so, by some people's reactions you'd think we'd walked in on a group of Celestians (during a visit from their Aunt Flow) and said, "You know, the Emperor really isn't 'All that.'"

I figured it might be a good idea to try and see where people's heads are at before someone goes postal.