Fine Cast? My ....

[Necron2.0]

Ok, I was in my LGS today, and I noticed they had some of the new Fine Cast minis for sale. On a lark, I bought the Lelith mini and brought it home to compare against a metal one I bought a month or so ago. Basically, the detail is mushy, their is a lot of flash to contend with and (as I had expected from the start) bubbles ... lots and lots of bubbles. I've uploaded images showing a side by side comparison. The minis are both straight out of the blister with no clean up. In image 2 I've highlighted spots where details are almost entirely missing. In short, this is in no way an improvement over the metal.

>> Image 1 << (http://members.cox.net/necron2.0/img/004.JPG)
>> Image 2 << (http://members.cox.net/necron2.0/img/005.JPG)

[Lockark]

Even thow it's hard to make out in thows pitchers, you can see a noticeable difference in detail favoring the Finecast. It's to bad about the Air Bubbles. That may be worth calling in about.

The Flash is no big deal thow in all honesty, and I do not get why some people are makeing a big deal about it.

It's no different then removing the mold lines off a metal model. From what I have heard it seems removing the flash off a finecast is EASIER since finecast is a softer Materiel. So to me it seems like Finecast is EASIER to prep then a metal mini.

[eldargal]

If you think it is significantly miscast, swap it for another or get a refund. There does seem to be some issues with some of the first batch, I have a Succubus and Archon which are fine (and so much better than the metals) but a couple of my brothers figures have minor issues.

I have to say though, getting a Lelith like yours wouldn't bug me, I cut/sanded off most of the leg spikes to give her a sleeker look.:rolleyes:

[Necron2.0]

Even thow it's hard to make out in thows pitchers, you can see a noticeable difference in detail favoring the Finecast.

Hardly. I'll admit the pictures aren't that great. Both minis are fresh from the blisters and unfortunately the shininess of the metal does wash out some of the details. If I'd taken the time to clean both up and prime them, it would be clear as day that the metal mini was far and away the more detailed one. In a side by side comparison, the only improvement I saw that favored the resin was marginally better detail in the face, and slightly better detail in one area of the base. In all other cases, the resin was either equal in quality or else mushy and deformed.

Unfortunately, this isn't limited to just this one Lelith. For myself, I also bought an Archon, and although I have nothing to compare it to, it has a similar problem - lots and lots of obvious bubbles. I'm also not the only one finding these problems. If you go to Dakka, they are already on 13 pages of how badly the Fine Cast line sucks in quality. Some have also started reviewing GW's promotional material and have found deformities on their hand picked examples of perfection. No, it is quite plain as day, Fine Cast is an utter miscast.

[MasterSlowPoke]

You might want to position the camera somewhere near the models in question, in macro mode, if you actually want to show anything. The two you posted are worthless.

[Necron2.0]

They are sufficient.

[eldargal]

The problem is people with a miscast model are far more likely to come online and complain about it than someone who gets one without a problem. I'm sure there are problems with a lot of sculpts but I can't help but feel we aren't going to get an accurate impression of Finecast for some months. There will be supply problems, quality control problems, miscasts etc in the meantime. But the fact remains GW will replace it so while frustrating, I think we can bear with them until they get things sorted out.

[Lockark]

Hardly. I'll admit the pictures aren't that great. Both minis are fresh from the blisters and unfortunately the shininess of the metal does wash out some of the details. If I'd taken the time to clean both up and prime them, it would be clear as day that the metal mini was far and away the more detailed one. In a side by side comparison, the only improvement I saw that favored the resin was marginally better detail in the face, and slightly better detail in one area of the base. In all other cases, the resin was either equal in quality or else mushy and deformed.


I am going to point out I have the model in question in metal in front of me and comparing mine to the finecast you posted, as the metal you included is just not viewable at all.
;)


The main difference I see is in the hard edges of the weapons. The edges are allot more "sharp" and the detail stands out alot more. This can also be noticed in any similar details that have sharp edges.

This is something that has stood out to me in all the promotional images for the fine cast, and I still see that here.


I will admit thow. When painted I can image to the causal viewer both will look like the exact same miniature, only thows with a keen eye will catch it.

(Not sure what you mean by "Mushy" Detail thow. Because I'm not seeing it.)

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

They are sufficient.



Agreed, as I could spot the problems.

[Lane]

Sure it's easier to clean up the flash on a Finecast mini than a metal model, then again it's been years since I saw a metal mini with that much flash.

[MaltonNecromancer]

Is this thread for real? *Facepalm*

Okay, you have your receipt, yes Necron?

Okay, what you need to do is

1.) Go back to the shop.
2.) Show them the flaws in the model and express your dissatisfaction.
3.) Ask for a replacement or refund.
4.) If they refuse, contact Trading Standards. But I seriously doubt they'll refuse, given that I once bought a pot of GW wash off a non-GW website that stank to high heaven, and asked if I could swap it for a non-stinky one. I didn't even have the reciept and they said "No problem".

If you bought any other product that wasn't up to scratch you'd take it back and ask for a replacement or refund (well, I would. And have. Frequently. Because if I've paid money for something, I expect it to be the thing I've paid for!)

I honestly can't believe you've bothered to come online to moan about something like this; just ask for a replacement.

In addition, you cannot claim the quality of something is inferior based on a single example of that thing, because bad batches happen; it's a fact of life. If your next ten Finecast models are of equally poor quality, then I would agree that there was a serious issue. But complaining about the first one on the first day of release makes it sound a little like you were looking for things to complain about. In addition, anyone complaining about GW models having flash: that's just part of the hobby. I don't think I've had a single model from them since 1989 that didn't have flash or mould lines somewhere. Scrape 'em off, just like always, and you're fine.

Take it back. Get a replacement. Go on with your life.

[Calypso2ts]

This is an issue for any casting. I bought an Immolator 6 months ago, half the tank tracks were missing their centers from partial mold filling. I bought 3 Fiends and all three were chopped off at the manes on their backs so I had to GS new ones on.

The issues there with Lelith are worth getting another model for, but not a big deal and a heck of a lot easier to deal with in resin than in metal. I, for one, hate all the cleanup of flash and mold lines on metal I am always afraid I am going to cut off one of my fingers.

Good point though, one model with casting issues is definitely indicative that the whole finecast project should be scrapped...(sarcasm - I mean come on, the first egyptian pyramid fell over too!, you know what they did? they built another one, that one sunk into the swamp as well, so they built a third, that one burned down fell over and sunk into the swamp....)

[Verilance]

but the fourth one stayed up... and that's what you gonna get lad, the strongest pyramid in all of Egypt lol.

so far look good thinking of getting back to buying and finish off my son's vampire count army and maybe my own orc army

then again maybe i will just finish his tyranids

[Watching Paint Dry]

From the mini's I've seen the flaws have been minimal. My local store got about 100 blisters, and only 1 had a legit miscast. Others had bubbles and warping, but on the same level as metal models would have had.

I've posted a review video (HD and close up) on my blog:
http://itslikewatchingpaintdry.blogspot.com/

Here's a couple pics from the box I ended up with:
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dqkz0dT9W_M/TeD7tudPXiI/AAAAAAAATlw/KbQkZWhZiz4/s640/DSC_1118.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RnY6jrA3BFk/TeD7ssAgUUI/AAAAAAAATlo/mkvMoZb0DK8/s640/DSC_1119.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-00qWXrJA-t0/TeD7fGITS8I/AAAAAAAATlk/VeYctBRPOcU/s640/DSC_1119b.jpg

[TheBitzBarn]

Wow So many store breaking the rule these are not to be sold till today.

As for the issue return them or Call GW Direct and they will send a replacement that easy. There is no reason to grip and whine. I have had bad metal casing where the metal shifted in the mold and the line was off way off. I have deformed metal and deformed plastics these things happen.

[UltramarineFan]

Sorry but this is really not an issue, having seen many of the new Finecast range of models for real at my local GW today the quality is far superior to what the metal models were. They are far easier to assemble (ever tried assembling the techmarine with full servo harness? try it with the Finecast version and you will be in love forever) and while there is a lot more flash on the Finecast models it's also incredible easy to get off (you can scrape most of it off with you fingernail). As for the Lelith if it's such an issue then go back to the store and get it swapped. One guy today bought a dark angels company master, half the chain at the bottom, just below the belt, was missing so the staff happily swapped it for a new one.

[eldargal]

Yep, my brother just took his faulty sculpt in and they gave him a new one without any issues. The replacement had no miscasts or anything too.

[Jive Tyrant]

I just bought a Broodlord and Tyrant Guard (I already have the metal models).

The FineCast version is MUCH better than the metal one. They both went together like a dream, cleanup took less than a minute each.

I found one bubble, but it was so small as to be unnoticable and could be easily fixed.

I've had Forge World resins before and they were much worse.

But if the OP hadn't posted his scathing review, I wouldn't have posted this glowing one. I think FineCast Haterz should be prepared to be in the minority.

As far as I can tell with these first two resin models, GW made a good call with FineCast.

[VictoryTSF]

I went down to the store in Liverpool today to have a look - great store by the way, lovely fellas - and I had a good shufty at the new Finecast stuff. There ARE issues with some of the first run, no doubt about it. I wanted an Eldar Autarch, and found the miniature to be far lower quality than the metal one I have. However, the reason I wanted it was because the original model wasn't a very good cast either. The Finecast one had a completely messed up face (more than flash - they'd clearly used the chin of the model as an injection point for the resin, and it had stuff all over its face, fnarr fnarr). I think the original moulds may be a source of some problems.

That said, some of them were superb. The marine models especially had come out beautifully; it's a long time since I'd wanted to paint Abaddon again, but the new cast is spot on. I can live with the odd bubble and bit of greenstuff work if I can get models that look like the original sculpts. I'm looking for competition stuff to do at the moment ( see my blog at http://victorytsf.blogspot.com to see what I did last year) and one of the biggest problems I've had are badly cast metal models. Frankly I'm sick of working with the stuff, I wanted to do Eldar Aspect Warrior squads for the Demons and I couldn't get a single boxset without a miscast or big chunks of metal in awkward places. I bought a Dark Eldar squad today, Mandrakes, and apart from the odd bubble in easy-to-fix positions they are absolutely spot on. I still have an issue with the price increase, and I'm no huge fan of GW, but I can't fault the general quality I saw today. It actually made me want to paint models I had never wanted to paint before. That's got to be a winner....

[Necron2.0]

Wow. Seriously? I cannot believe there are so many here who are intentionally missing the point. One of the reasons given by GW for switching to resin is its supposed superiority in detail to metal. Indeed resin can be superior, if it is cast correctly. Clearly, GW hasn't adopted the correct processes. I'm an engineer by trade, and if I were to release a product that was this prone to failure, I'd be fired, and rightly so. This isn't about "could I take the mini back to the store 57 times and eventually get a model that didn't completely suck ... maybe." This is about GW's reasons for switching from metal to resin being completely false. Some here are willfully turning a blind eye to that. Rest assured, however. Others have not been so willing, and they are becoming quite vocal - if not here then elsewhere.

[eldargal]

Actually I think you are missing the point. While there are miscasts, they are not universal and for the most part Finecast is an improvement. This is not to downplay the problems, GW will need to get its act together, but for such a huge change we were always going to see some difficulties. MY brother got a miscast Finecast model, took it back, got a perfect replacemnt the next time. Maybe some people have had problems getting a good sculpt, maybe their store got a bad batch, maybe they aere just uncluky. But given that unhappy people are more motivated to post than happy people, I doubt we are seeing a representative sample of Finecast quality.

[Kawauso]

This isn't really anything new.

One time, I bought a metal jump pack Chaplain which was miscast. One of his legs ended in a misshapen blob.

One time, I bought a plastic Tau Hammerhead which was miscast. The sprue with the rail gun hadn't been moulded properly, and one half of the gun ended in a formless mass.

It sucked both times, for sure. But it happens. I've also had plastic and metal minis with so much flash that I spent more time cleaning that then I did assembling/priming the models.

Also, I can't really tell anything from the pictures you posted, detail-wise. I really can't. Every other picture I've seen of a Finecast mini up close, however, has looked at least as detailed as its metal counterpart. So...sorry, but I can't really blame anyone for not taking your side on this. It just looks like you got a bum model. Crappy, but it happens.

[isotope99]

Time will tell if this is going to be a long term production problem inherent in their new approach or just some teething problems as they iron out the production process.

GW has always been pretty good about replacing kits with mistakes/missing bits but this shouldn't be a long term get out for them and anecdotal evidence already suggests that mistakes are more cokmmon than they should be. The flash is acceptable, but all the missing detail on Necron 2's example is not.

Sending things back bought online is much more annoying than when bought in the store and it remains to be seen how good GW is going to be on this.

[addamsfamily36]

Wow. Seriously? I cannot believe there are so many here who are intentionally missing the point. One of the reasons given by GW for switching to resin is its supposed superiority in detail to metal. Indeed resin can be superior, if it is cast correctly. Clearly, GW hasn't adopted the correct processes. I'm an engineer by trade, and if I were to release a product that was this prone to failure, I'd be fired, and rightly so. This isn't about "could I take the mini back to the store 57 times and eventually get a model that didn't completely suck ... maybe." This is about GW's reasons for switching from metal to resin being completely false. Some here are willfully turning a blind eye to that. Rest assured, however. Others have not been so willing, and they are becoming quite vocal - if not here then elsewhere.


But the overall Quality/detail is better. I went down today to my local GW and i found 1 out of all the miniatures i looked at (which was all of them) that didn't really look much better than its metal counterpart. But it wasn't any worse. the details are a lot sharper. They are light weight. Flexible. If there are any bent parts or warped parts, these are fixable in boiling water. I used to hate straightening out metal models, you just knew they were going to snap. Any bubbles which i did see were very minimal or few. And i'd rather have those than the horrible "cracking" that metal miniatures used to do, especially in cloaks.

As to faults in the line, its going to happen with any process. Companies use Quality control methods but you will always get miscasts no matter what process you use. But GW are good for replacing faults and providing a miniature that is satisfactory for the customer.

One thing i did notice however, the detail on the models varied on age of the original sculpt and quality of that original sculpt. Grimgor ironhide for instance, a fairly dated model looked amazing!!! the emerors champion however had amazing detail on the helmet and sword, but the armour not so much. But then neither did my metal so i can only assume that the original sculpt was fairly plain/not as sharp as other sculpts.

but overall, finecast is a lot sharper, easier to put together, lighter etc. in my opinion they are finecasts

[scadugenga]

The new casts do seem to look good.

However, the real comparison would be to take a finecast mini and the same mini in metal and give it a primer hit and a light shading wash and then compare details--that way you remove the shine/glare distraction from the metal mini.

Regardless, I still do not think it's worth the 15% - 30% markup.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I really like my Deldar Succubus :)... Not had any problems at all, and I dont know any one who did (doesn't mean people didn't though). I love the material for the many benefits it grants too.

Not sure if this is just England, but the Price increase is quite... Minimal :S? I think my Succubus was a £1 more (granted a £1 is still a £1 though). Not sure if its just me, but the complaints seem to be literally the same arguments over quite a few threads... Which is getting hectic (I mean people seem to complain more about Finecast than the bad deal the Australians are getting D: ). I think this should just be, an agree to disagree situation. But I dunno, I guess I just enjoy a little bit of peace :)

[templarboy]

I picked up an Astorath today. The casting is pretty good. The scrolls had one very large bubble and a smaller one. Overall, I am very happy. It is so light. I wonder if there is a difference between the figs cast in the UK and the ones cast here in the US......

[addamsfamily36]

I picked up an Astorath today. The casting is pretty good. The scrolls had one very large bubble and a smaller one. Overall, I am very happy. It is so light. I wonder if there is a difference between the figs cast in the UK and the ones cast here in the US......

I so almost brought him today. it was either buy him or get food shopping for the weekend...........I was weak and went for the food shopping.

But on a detail related note, on the metal cast of astorath that i had his face detail was poor. On the finecast you cold see everything right down to his pointed teeth.

[Jive Tyrant]

I'm an engineer by trade, and if I were to release a product that was this prone to failure, I'd be fired, and rightly so.

As an engineer, you'd also know that you should do a lot more sampling before judging something to be bad by design, rather than bad quality control.



Some here are willfully turning a blind eye to that. Rest assured, however. Others have not been so willing, and they are becoming quite vocal - if not here then elsewhere.

I don't know, it sounds like the FineCast Fans are louder than the FineCast Haterz. But I like to keep an open mind, so let's give it a little longer than ONE DAY before jumping to conclusions.

[Lord Castellan]

My first Finecast model is missing an arm. AN ARM!!! Gah

[Lane]

Checked out the Finecast minis today.

Pro:
The detail does look good.
In most cases the flash is fairly thin so should be easy to clean up.
The flexibility will prevent some damage.

Con:
Of the six I looked closely at two had bubbles.
Multi figure packs are in boxes so you can not inspect before purchase.


Overall I think the material has potential but GW needs to work on quality control.

[VictoryTSF]

OK, I built some of the Mandrakes I bought last night. I didn't mention - I did actually have to take the box back and exchange it, I was also missing an arm! However, this kind of thing happens, and there was no quibble about swapping it. As I said, Liverpool GW, one of the best ones I've ever been in. Friendlier than the one in New York anyway...

Anyhow, I love the finecast models. They look and feel like you've got the sculpted originals. There are issues - a few bubbles in bad places (a couple of the guys have missing toes, and at least one is missing a finger) but I can live with that as the rest of the cast is ace. They go together well, and I'm itching to paint them. They weren't cheap, though. £20.50 for five models with NO options IS expensive. That said, some of these casts I've seen are such a massive improvement on the original metal that it's actually made me want to paint models I've never been interested in. Which is going to get expensive fast.

http://victorytsf.blogspot.com

Oh, as for the issue of checking in boxes - I always open the box while I'm in the store or just around the corner, and I've never had an exchange refused. harder online, I agree, but one thing I can't fault GW for is it's returns policy, they've always been more than reasonable.

[UltramarineFan]

Anyone who believes the overall quality of Finecast to be less than that of metal is being blind. Yes there are issues, miscasts happen, but it really isn't a major issue, ok, so you may have to go back and swap your model but GW will swap your model for you and so far I've yet to hear of anyone needing to swap their model more than once before getting one which was almost perfect quality. The issues with miscasts and bubbles are exactly the same as they were with metal but on the upside Finecast is more detailed than metal, is lighter (no more top heavy models falling over constantly), doesn't chip, pretty much BOUNCES off surfaces if you drop it and is MUCH easier to put together (I'm looking at you metal techmarine with full servo harness), with all this in mind I think a slight mark up in price is absolutely worth it and can only wonder at why some are persisting to hate on this.

[tjkopena]

Regardless, I still do not think it's worth the 15% - 30% markup.

I think this is a common problem people are having in evaluating the Finecast "revolution." It seems fairly clear that the price increases aren't Finecast markup, they're the standard annual price increases, just like all the plastic models went up on the 28th. If they hadn't switched from the metals to Finecast, the blisters still would have gone up similarly. Presumably, given that these are supposedly cheaper to produce given more predictable and lower raw material prices, the immediate price jumps on metals would have actually been even higher, and trending higher over the long term than the resins will.

I think GW made a bad PR move by putting these out at the same time as the annual price increases. It's actually a good move for customers, saving them money, but most people won't realize that---they won't connect the dots that the metals would have gone up by at least as much. If they'd waited until later this summer to roll it out and then came out with lower or the same prices as the metals being replaced, they'd have obviated these poorly thought out "Finecast markup" claims and gained a lot more support.

[Skragger]

Anyone who believes the overall quality of Finecast to be less than that of metal is being blind. [...], with all this in mind I think a slight mark up in price is absolutely worth it and can only wonder at why some are persisting to hate on this.

Well.. the issue isn't the quality of the casting entirely per say, the issue is the price bump. GW has switched to a cheaper material to work with, but still decided to bump the prices up on us. Make the switch, we're cool with it, but don't increase the price.

Its not even the new prices themselves, it's just the fact that they switched to a cheaper material, and still felt that they should push the price higher. Now we know they're gouging us. :mad:

[Brotherjames]

I think the authors intent was that GW's Q.C. Department needs some help not that finecast is the wrong direction too go in modeling. But I'd rather pay $35 for metal sternguard than $45 for finecast but thanks just me lol and normally I'm not a tightwad when it comes to any of my hobbies :) I'm psyched for Dante though I'm gonna give him a "proper" axe Mortalis from the sanguinary guard box!

[UltramarineFan]

Well.. the issue isn't the quality of the casting entirely per say, the issue is the price bump. GW has switched to a cheaper material to work with, but still decided to bump the prices up on us. Make the switch, we're cool with it, but don't increase the price.

Its not even the new prices themselves, it's just the fact that they switched to a cheaper material, and still felt that they should push the price higher. Now we know they're gouging us. :mad:

Well, not really, because this comes at the same time as the price increase for ALL of GW's products, fact is we don't know how much the prices would have been if they had stayed in metal, the mark up may have been even higher and let's not forget some models prices HAVE stayed the same (skaven jezzails) or GONE DOWN (ushabti)

[scadugenga]

..and let's not forget some models prices HAVE stayed the same (skaven jezzails) or GONE DOWN (ushabti)

Skaven Jezzails actually went up by 27.28%, if this was correct:


I'm interested in some of the new boxes. Skaven Jezzails, for instance, used to be sold as a 1 model blister for like, 12 bucks. Now, it's a $49.50 boxed set. I wonder how many are going to be in there. At that price, I'm hoping 6, as it will allow two squads of Jezzails.

I'm not a skaven player, so I never paid attention to their prices, but for some reason wittdooley's post stuck in my head.

I *am* an eldar player, and some of the price increases were unfounded and ridiculous. Eldar Rangers/Pathfinders increased by 32%. Dark Reapers & Striking Scorpions went up by 18.33% each. The Eldar Avatar went up by 26.67%.

I agree with tjkopena in that GW made a huge marketing blunder in timing the release of finecast with the annual (sometimes semi-annual) screw-you to the general public that is the GW business plan. It may have been more acceptable a few months down the line--but now? Now I"m glad I have enough Eldar that I don't need to buy anything else from GW. My impulse spending will go to different companies instead. Who needs another GW army, when I can play Malifaux, WM/H, Dystopian Wars, etc? The only money that GW will see from me is indirectly through FW--and that, only for the upcoming Eldar stuff. My wraithseer is outstanding, and I have high hopes for the rest of the new stuff FW will put out for the Eldar.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

I bought a Castellan Crowe and a Space Marine Terminator Librarian. Bubbling had destroyed several edges on the greaves of Castellan, and a large bubble had destroyed detail on the Librarian's lower chestplate lip. The cast of Castellan also featured a cloak so thin in one spot that light could clearly be seen through it. So I took them back. GW Ipswich didn't have any more Crowe models, and ALL their Librarian models but one featured the same defect. The one that didn't had a crack running along his psychic hood. So I have not yet got any Finecast in my collection, as I will have to wait for a further delivery. My advice is to open your miniatures in store, check for defects and then get a swap if they're defective. I don't see why I should settle for defective miniatures at the price they are selling them at. Also, only a complete tool would say the metals were as sharp in terms of detail as Finecast - they weren't. Given a good cast, Finecast ARE the future - they just haven't got the castings perfect yet.
As I left the store, a guy brought his Flamers back for the very same reason - bubbles obliterating details...work to be done GW...

[Clarkson]

My main problem with these compared to the metal, are the fact they are more flexible..

i bought the Nurgle Daemon Prince and the sword he has snapped in twain taking off sprue.. soo thin resin..

but easily replaced but staff.. and the detail... WOW.. it physically looks grusome..and soo easy to put together.. few mold lines.. few gaps.. but no more than the metal... even less tbh..

so Finecast is pure win so far

[Artein]

http://s1106.photobucket.com/albums/h376/mechanicalhorizon/ - I take you've not seen it, right?

[Denzark]

In my younger years, I worked in a tv shop, just when HD ready and HD were coming in. The amount of time I have stood next to a plasma screen, a 100hz flat screen CRT, and a LCD HD TV, and listened to someone swear they are as different as Heaven and Hell, whilst I find the difference to be infintiesimal if at all!

I can't see all that much difference in pics posted - I have never had to file down a bubbled purity seal or fix a toeless metal piece. Quite frankly I like the weight of picking up a chunky metal mini - Abaddon actually feels capable of despoiling whatever he waltzes up to.

So I will wait until hands on until comparing. Seems like hype to me.

[Dalleron]

Picked up a termie libby today. Don't have any complaints about it, other than I ordered one before they discounted the metal one, and it took me a bit longer to get one. And I had to pay the difference which was to be expected.

But no qualms about the model. Detail is great. Nio complaints from me here.

[eldargal]

Ignoring the fact that mechanicalhorizon works for one of GWs competitors, so what? A few dodgy sculpts, no one is denying there are issues with some QC, but how many kits did he have to go through to find those dodgy ones? How many perfect ones were there? At one point when one of the local stores said they had sold around sixty Finecast kits, they said they had only four returns and another half dozen people complaining if minor faults.


http://s1106.photobucket.com/albums/h376/mechanicalhorizon/ - I take you've not seen it, right?

[HsojVvad]

Picked up a termie libby today. Don't have any complaints about it, other than I ordered one before they discounted the metal one, and it took me a bit longer to get one. And I had to pay the difference which was to be expected.

But no qualms about the model. Detail is great. Nio complaints from me here.

Reading a different thread in another forum someone with the same Libby had alot of problems with it. The gun it's self was missing the top half to say the least.

So it looks like you lucky you got a good batch or he was unlucky and got a bad batch but from what I have been reading alot of people are getting lots of bubbles in their fine casts.

[Necron2.0]

I've been on holiday for the past few days. While I was out, I received an order of multiple resin minis from another manufacturer (not Forgeworld and not GW). On each one there wasn't a trace of imperfection - no flash, no bubbles, no mushy details, and no missing parts. Most of these minis had details far more elaborate than what you see in "Fine Cast." That prompted me to look through my collection of other resin figures, most of which are still in their original packaging (I really do need to get around to painting them someday). Again, no imperfections found. The same is true with all my resin custom bases. In fact, in 27 years of collecting, I've only every received about 5 minis (resin and metal) with obvious imperfections (excluding bent parts or broken pieces that were otherwise fine and still in the blister). Of those, four came from GW and/or Forgeworld.

You know, when I buy something, regardless of its cost, the first order of consideration is, "was it made right." At a minimum, I expect any manufacturer's product to not be totally fudged up in production. If they are not competent enough to provide that most basic of quality in their products, they don't have my business - and no, forcing me to return their abortions over and over until they eventually provide me with something that isn't broken is not an acceptable alternative to actually doing their job right. Now sure, accidents do happen from time to time. However, as I said, I bought two finecast minis and both had problems. Judging from what I've read online, this is becoming a trend for GW.

Other manufactures have no trouble providing basic quality in their resin products. I have multiple examples to prove it. I could provide pictures but what's the point. The GW apologists will always put their fingers in their ears and go "La-la-la-la-la-la," until you cannot hear anything else. This post is not for them. To those with their own thoughts to think, however, be smarter than that. There are always alternatives.

[Lane]

I picked up two finecast minis and neither had any flaws I could see. OTOH I say obvious bubbles in two of six others I inspected.

On another board they gota good review even though a box of five had three with flaws.

I hear GW is suggesting you can fix most bubbles with a bit of Green Stuff or superglue.
GREAT I can easily fix their Superior Quality model.

My biggest concern with Finecast will be with customer service. Sure they will replace defective models but how soon will it become - replace finecast models still on the sprue -? There is also inconvenience in returning defective models. I shop at a GW store and they have recently reduced their stock levels, in many cases to a single box. If I buy the only box and there are problems I have to wait a week for a replacement that may also have issues. People that buy mail order are screwed.

I'll have to check with the local store on what they do with returned models. I hope they do not send them back to GW.

[wittdooley]

I promised a write up of the Forge World vs Finecast comparison, and here it is:

Forge World Vs. Finecast (http://imperialathenaeum.blogspot.com/2011/05/hobby-finecast-vs-forge-world.html)

Enjoy.

[Lockark]

I've been on holiday for the past few days. While I was out, I received an order of multiple resin minis from another manufacturer (not Forgeworld and not GW). On each one there wasn't a trace of imperfection - no flash, no bubbles, no mushy details, and no missing parts. Most of these minis had details far more elaborate than what you see in "Fine Cast." That prompted me to look through my collection of other resin figures, most of which are still in their original packaging (I really do need to get around to painting them someday). Again, no imperfections found. The same is true with all my resin custom bases. In fact, in 27 years of collecting, I've only every received about 5 minis (resin and metal) with obvious imperfections (excluding bent parts or broken pieces that were otherwise fine and still in the blister). Of those, four came from GW and/or Forgeworld.

You know, when I buy something, regardless of its cost, the first order of consideration is, "was it made right." At a minimum, I expect any manufacturer's product to not be totally fudged up in production. If they are not competent enough to provide that most basic of quality in their products, they don't have my business - and no, forcing me to return their abortions over and over until they eventually provide me with something that isn't broken is not an acceptable alternative to actually doing their job right. Now sure, accidents do happen from time to time. However, as I said, I bought two finecast minis and both had problems. Judging from what I've read online, this is becoming a trend for GW.

Other manufactures have no trouble providing basic quality in their resin products. I have multiple examples to prove it. I could provide pictures but what's the point. The GW apologists will always put their fingers in their ears and go "La-la-la-la-la-la," until you cannot hear anything else. This post is not for them. To those with their own thoughts to think, however, be smarter than that. There are always alternatives.




Sept you know. GW replaces any modles with ovoiues imperfections when thier is QC issues, and keep their stock levels high enough that I don't have to wait 2 months for a order (When it's direct from manufacture no less.) For the most part Games Work Shop is able to balance Quantity and Quality.

I have plenty of thows nice Resin miniatures too that are none GW and Forge-world. They are made on a much smaller scale, and when their out of Stock I have to wait ages for them to restock again. Not to mention some of thows manufactures even told me to "deal with it" when I've had problems with their miniatures at times.

Also for the mass majority of said resin miniatures they share the same minor air bubble problems also/is a natural part of working with resin in general.

=U

That's not saying their hasn't been some issues with the new fine-cast line. My FLGS has not even been able to order it in yet for example. Also as seen from posts on forums like DakkaDakka their has been some realy Rocky QC issues these earlier batches. The question I think should be asked by the community is if these Supply and QC issues can be resolved quickly, and to the standard we are use to from GW.

[scadugenga]

I hear GW is suggesting you can fix most bubbles with a bit of Green Stuff or superglue.
GREAT I can easily fix their Superior Quality model.

You know the first thing that came to mind is "why would I want to pay premium prices for something that needs to be fixed before it can be used?"

And then I realized that GW is not alone in this--the computer software world has been following this paradigm for ages.

How many programs/games are released that have immediate patches required? :)

[Psychosplodge]

How many programs/games are released that have immediate patches required? :)

Fallout vegas?

[Lockark]

Fallout vegas?

Ones I can think of off the top of my head:

WresleMania 21 (Xbox1), Shadowrun, Halo 3, CoD4:MW, Orange Box (Xbox1), Red Dead Redemption, ect. Almost all games get patched.

Thow not all thows games got patchs due to game breaking glitches, so YMMV. (Only WM:21 was as broken/glitchy as Fallout:NV, it was bassicly unplayable unless you downloaded the patch.)

[eldargal]

Patronising, idiotic post. GW apologists? You mean those of us who have bought Finecast kits that haven't any problem? Right, we aren't entitled to our opinion on the matter because it contradricts the whinefest. No, only the people who receive dodgy products are allowed to voice an opinion, and of course they are the majority because its not like unhappy customers are more motivated to complain than happy customers or anything. And it is perfectly reasonable to compare a product that has just recently been switched to a whole new form ofmanufacturing to another company that made the switch, or started in resin, long ago and ironed out the kinks.

For heavens sake. You got a bad cast, so return it. GW has superb customer service in that regard. You don't like Finecast, thats is your opinion. If you don't want a replacement, get a refund. GW are having some QC issues, they are hardly the first company to do so.

Shall I go get my miscast Scibor, Hasslefree, Reaper and Spartan Game products then? Or my brothers ridiculously bad Warjacks that he keeps to show people who claim PP never as WC issues? Oh but none of these can exist, because you've only received five miscast models.:rolleyes:


I've been on holiday for the past few days. While I was out, I received an order of multiple resin minis from another manufacturer (not Forgeworld and not GW). On each one there wasn't a trace of imperfection - no flash, no bubbles, no mushy details, and no missing parts. Most of these minis had details far more elaborate than what you see in "Fine Cast." That prompted me to look through my collection of other resin figures, most of which are still in their original packaging (I really do need to get around to painting them someday). Again, no imperfections found. The same is true with all my resin custom bases. In fact, in 27 years of collecting, I've only every received about 5 minis (resin and metal) with obvious imperfections (excluding bent parts or broken pieces that were otherwise fine and still in the blister). Of those, four came from GW and/or Forgeworld.

You know, when I buy something, regardless of its cost, the first order of consideration is, "was it made right." At a minimum, I expect any manufacturer's product to not be totally fudged up in production. If they are not competent enough to provide that most basic of quality in their products, they don't have my business - and no, forcing me to return their abortions over and over until they eventually provide me with something that isn't broken is not an acceptable alternative to actually doing their job right. Now sure, accidents do happen from time to time. However, as I said, I bought two finecast minis and both had problems. Judging from what I've read online, this is becoming a trend for GW.

Other manufactures have no trouble providing basic quality in their resin products. I have multiple examples to prove it. I could provide pictures but what's the point. The GW apologists will always put their fingers in their ears and go "La-la-la-la-la-la," until you cannot hear anything else. This post is not for them. To those with their own thoughts to think, however, be smarter than that. There are always alternatives.

[The Madman]

heres a comparison with the new finecast between the a metal Raptor and a finecast one.
http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s73/Dala_karn/Chaos/Raptor%20finecast%20review/SDC10648.jpg

i think op got a bad cast, my finecast raptors are a lot better then the metal ones i have.

EDIT: do i have to mention that this is their first batch and like their first white metal models there will be problems with it till they iron it all out.

[addamsfamily36]

Patronising, idiotic post. GW apologists? You mean those of us who have bought Finecast kits that haven't any problem? Right, we aren't entitled to our opinion on the matter because it contradricts the whinefest. No, only the people who receive dodgy products are allowed to voice an opinion, and of course they are the majority because its not like unhappy customers are more motivated to complain than happy customers or anything. And it is perfectly reasonable to compare a product that has just recently been switched to a whole new form ofmanufacturing to another company that made the switch, or started in resin, long ago and ironed out the kinks.

For heavens sake. You got a bad cast, so return it. GW has superb customer service in that regard. You don't like Finecast, thats is your opinion. If you don't want a replacement, get a refund. GW are having some QC issues, they are hardly the first company to do so.

Shall I go get my miscast Scibor, Hasslefree, Reaper and Spartan Game products then? Or my brothers ridiculously bad Warjacks that he keeps to show people who claim PP never as WC issues? Oh but none of these can exist, because you've only received five miscast models.

Agreed.

To necron:

Also on the note of QC, any company that mass produces a product will have faulty products. Its almost impossible to not at such a scale. Some of the other manufactures mentioned or that exist produce models on a much smaller basis and miscasts are much easier to control.

But as everyone has pointed out take it back, get a replacement or a refund if your so upset about it. It has nothing to do with be all "la la la la la la" and defensive of GW. I prefer the look, weight and potential resin offers. Especially design potential due to it being a lighter more flexible material. but as a painter (more so than gamer), i much prefer painting a metal miniature to a plastic or resin one. Thats a genuine reason to dislike a change in material. Throwing your toys out the pram because you got a bad cast and branding anyone who doesn't agree a mindless sheep is pretty immature.

[Lane]

And then I realized that GW is not alone in this--the computer software world has been following this paradigm for ages.

How many programs/games are released that have immediate patches required? :)

I think the quote I saw was "Why would I want to make a second trip to the game store for marginal models."

The difference between Minis games and Computer games (or other software) are delivery and upgrade-ability.
A computer game can go to the manufacturing stage, printing the DVD, before the game is ready because they know you can download a patch in a couple hours. As more issues are identified the game company can issue more patches and can even enhance gameplay or expand the game. Printing the DVD before final release version is done helps the company meet release schedules as well. The cost to me is maybe 3 hours of internet use, about $0.25 that I would pay for even if I did not use it and the time waiting for the download in which I can do other things.

A defective mini can only be replaced by going back ti the store or contacting customer service.
In the later case, and possibly the former, I have to wait for the mini to be delivered. If I make an extra trip to the store it costs me gas (about $6 this week) and 40 minutes driving round trip. If I wait for a planed trip to the store it means a week delay or more if the mini is out of stock.

[addamsfamily36]

A defective mini can only be replaced by going back ti the store or contacting customer service.
In the later case, and possibly the former, I have to wait for the mini to be delivered. If I make an extra trip to the store it costs me gas (about $6 this week) and 40 minutes driving round trip. If I wait for a planed trip to the store it means a week delay or more if the mini is out of stock.

Which is why it is always wise to open your new purchase in store. Especially if you are outside of the Uk and restocking takes longer.

[eldargal]

When my brother got his miscast Stern, he opened his replacement in the store so if there was something wrong with the replacement he could get the replacement replaced. It takes moments to open a blister afterall, far easier than going back to the store. If you can only do it by mail order, then contact customer service, they may not even ask you to send it back or post it to them.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

That's what I did, and it made sure I didn't go home with another miscast miniature (in the event, I had to go home with just my refund - all the Librarians had defects and they had only ordered 5 Crowe's!!!). I am just hoping the next batch my GW store receives will be worth having, because what was going right on those miniatures was awesome and I will be so stoked to get a perfect Finecast. So let's all pray they iron out the kinks fast, because Finecast IS a great product and given a perfect cast IS worth the money (despite my previous protestations to the contrary...!).

[UltramarineFan]

Skaven Jezzails actually went up by 27.28%, if this was correct:

After investigating this I have found that the old price was £8.70 for one jezzail not £10 as I had thought.So they had an increase of £3.90 so 14.94%. Point is thought that a roughly 15% increase is normal for the annual GW price hike so you can't say that Finecast has led directly to increased prices for most of the models.

[Lemt]

After investigating this I have found that the old price was £8.70 for one jezzail not £10 as I had thought.So they had an increase of £3.90 so 14.94%. Point is thought that a roughly 15% increase is normal for the annual GW price hike so you can't say that Finecast has led directly to increased prices for most of the models.

the problem is they've had the annual price hike and the release of finecast at the same time, so people connect the two. Bad decision IMHO. They could've had a price hike and THEN release Finecast, and everyone would be happy.

[Defenestratus]

I guess I should throw my half a cent in here. I picked up a jump pack chappy and a box of vanguard as my finecast "test".

Overall, not too thrilled about it. On these models, I wouldn't say that there is MORE details, its just that the detail is more clearly defined. Things like grenade belts and tiny skulls on kneepads definitely have better definition. Also, I was able to easily convert one of the vanguard dudes into a powerfist toting beast with nothing but a hobby knife. Also was able to replace one of the plasma pistols with a bolt pistol. Again, pretty easy and painless. Definitely an improvement over the metal in that regard.

Now the bad stuff.

I don't know if it happened before I got them, or on the trip home in the car (and me stopping in the grocery store for 10 minutes while they sat in the car in 90'F Central Florida weather) but the swords and "thin bits" are defiitely warped and not straight. Adding to that, the one vanguard model that has the two handed overhead sword pose, the sword was broken on the sprue - snapped between the two hands on the grip. I've been battling all morning to fix it and I just can't get it to look right. The resin is also TOO SOFT. You have to be VERY careful cutting away sprue or else you're going to carve into the model itself. The chaplain jump pack is missing some of its "intake rim" because I barely put pressure on the knife.

I wont say that I'll never buy a finecast model - I'm not that unhappy, but I'm not sure if the benefits outweigh the annoyances.

[Duncndisorderly]

Although slightly differenet to some of those posted so far I also have an issue with the finecast range and its quite specific to the new GK minis.
Why the frick did they release any of the HQ character pieces (In particular, Crowe, Draigo, Jokaero) in metal at all. It simply smacks of somebody at GW pulling a fasty on the public.

"Hey buy the new metal GK HQ its awesomes"

2 months later

"Y'know the finecase version of that is now available and the details are way crispier"

I feel dissapointed by this, wil I now throw my toys outta the pram, no, will I rush out and buy new minis on release week in future, no.

[Ghoulio]

I finally got a chance to check out the fine cast miniatures myself.

The actual quality of the models aren't too bad. I honestly don't really see much difference between their metal counterparts though. The Archon looked decent as did the Hive Guard (man I wish these guys were out before I finished getting all mine lol). I am sure once models are made with this process in mind the quality will go up. I do really like the actual material itself though as it makes many man models easier to work with. Like the Hive Guard I literally just bought a 3rd Hive Tyrant to convert into a Flying Hive Tyrant. I think for that one I would of happily payed the extra for Resin.

Now, the price. In the United States the price is actually pretty good. It ups everything to pretty much what we have had here for a while, which is great. The problem lies though with the Canadian price. It has been bumped up to almost ludicrous levels. Here are a couple of awesome examples:

1) Lictor on the US website - $24.75 / Lictor on the Canadian website $45!!!!!!!!
2) Incubi on the US Website - $35.50 / Incubi on the Canadian website $49.50
3) Marneus Calgar and Bodyguard on the US Webiste - $56 / On the Canadian website $74.50

Big thing to keep in mind that our Dollar is worth MORE lol. Just boggles my mind. If I order say a box of Wracks from the Warstore I can literally get 2 boxes for the price of 1 here in Canada. They are bound to lose a lot of business here in Canada and I wouldnt be surprised if places like the Warstore saw a huge bump in business (this is of course unless they are effected by the EU embargo as well).

[Kawauso]

Especially given how close most major Canadian cities are to the US border. :P

I know I'm probably going to be ordering the vast majority of my minis from the US now, thanks to how ludicrous the Canadian pricing is.

[Lane]

Why the frick did they release any of the HQ character pieces (In particular, Crowe, Draigo, Jokaero) in metal at all. It simply smacks of somebody at GW pulling a fasty on the public.


If they had not released character models to go with the GK Codex what would people think?

Finecast was supposed to be a secret project that has been in the works for a year or more and a small team casting up minis for the release for months. To not release minis supporting A new Codex or Army Book would have upset some players and made others wonder what was going on.

[Gotthammer]

3) Marneus Calgar and Bodyguard on the US Webiste - $56 / On the Canadian website $74.50

Big thing to keep in mind that our Dollar is worth MORE lol.


$102 on the Australian site, and our dollar is even better. We get into tripple figures, so we win :cool:

[Kawauso]

Yeah, I feel really bad for you guys. =/
You're getting shafted big time.

At least we have a country next door we can order from.

[Necron2.0]

Apparently now GW is posting instruction on how to fix their broken products by filling in the mushy details with putty and super glue. Nice. In two days, "Finecast" has gone from being "the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen," to being admittedly flawed. On other sites, they've taken to renaming "Finecast" to either "Crapcast" or (more commonly) "Failcost."

The god-emperor is looking decidedly under dressed.

[Ghoulio]

$102 on the Australian site, and our dollar is even better. We get into tripple figures, so we win :cool:

Yeah you do. Just went over to the Australian website and it is beyond insane lol. It's almost a 100% mark up. Crazy. I would 100% just bow out of this hobby if I lived down under. At least I can still order from the states :(

[Kawauso]

Apparently now GW is posting instruction on how to fix their broken products by filling in the mushy details with putty and super glue. Nice. In two days, "Finecast" has gone from being "the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen," to being admittedly flawed. On other sites, they've taken to renaming "Finecast" to either "Crapcast" or (more commonly) "Failcost."

The god-emperor is looking decidedly under dressed.



Is this a new post? Because I remember the one I think you're referencing, and the picture that went along with it.

They recommend using glue/putty to fill in minor bubbles in the surface of a model - and as per the model in the demonstration, the bubbles were quite minor and on a smooth surface. This hardly seems unreasonable - no more so than having to trim/file flash off of models. Which we've been doing for years.

You got a defective model. It happens. It happened with metal and plastic, too, and still does. You can exchange it. If defective models trend towards a new norm, then I think it's safe to say the sky is falling. Right now, though, you seem to be blowing things way out of proportion.

[Lockark]

Oh. I have stories of defective plastic modles. It seemed like when I bought my Carnifexs for my Orginal tyranid army, every other time I got a deffective kit.

Of the 5 fexs I bought 3 were deffective.
1st had a Sprue Snapped in half/Parts ruined.
2nd had a sprue that was twisted around to the point that parts on it were deformed.
3rd Was missing the Lower Body Sprue. O.o


I seem to have awfull luck when ever I bought fexs. Thow it ended up being "good" luck in the end since GW would just replace the whole kit ever time, and let me keep the defective.

[Necron2.0]

They recommend using glue/putty to fill in minor bubbles in the surface of a model - and as per the model in the demonstration, the bubbles were quite minor and on a smooth surface.

That is true of the errors GW specifically directed the viewer to observe. Others online have since found additional errors with that model and others GW cherry picked for display, and have posted their findings. However, regardless, my original statement stands. GW has admitted failure, even if "minor." Failcost has gone from "the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen" to something of an epic fail. This is not just my opinion. There are plenty of people world wide with the exact same experience. It's not just a vocal minority either. If anything, the vocal minority are the apologists.

Of course I'm sure they'll work out the kinks ... eventually. Still you would have expected more from a manufacturer with a division that is already doing resin casts. The mistakes GW is making were something common to resin minis 20 years ago. Not as much today.

[templarboy]

That is true of the errors GW specifically directed the viewer to observe. Others online have since found additional errors with that model and others GW cherry picked for display, and have posted their findings. However, regardless, my original statement stands. GW has admitted failure, even if "minor." Failcost has gone from "the highest quality miniatures the world has ever seen" to something of an epic fail. This is not just my opinion. There are plenty of people world wide with the exact same experience. It's not just a vocal minority either. If anything, the vocal minority are the apologists.

Of course I'm sure they'll work out the kinks ... eventually. Still you would have expected more from a manufacturer with a division that is already doing resin casts. The mistakes GW is making were something common to resin minis 20 years ago. Not as much today.



You seem to have your mind made up. How large was your sample group? How many of the new GW finecast figs have you seen? Is it possible that other people could have a different opinion than your's and not be an apologist?

You are putting up false dichotomies. Do you know exactly how this new process works? My finecast Astorath is really different from the FW resin I have. I cleaned and undercoated the new FW Space Sharks terminator and Astorath in the same day. The materials are completely different. Not really all that comparable. If you know how the new figs are being produced, can you tell the rest of us?

Face the simple fact-we are all in the minority. Very few people actually participate in online forums. I would venture a guess that less than 25% of WH40k/WHFB players read forums on a regular basis. Basically we have two competing "vocal minorities".

So your point is that finecast sucks. Great. Don't buy any. You are taking all this way too personally. GW doesn't hate you. Neither do I.;)

[Gir]

Failcost

You should keep making jokes like this. They get funnier every time. It's right up there with using $ in stead of s for companies that make a lot of money.

[Lockark]

Face the simple fact-we are all in the minority. Very few people actually participate in online forums. I would venture a guess that less than 25% of WH40k/WHFB players read forums on a regular basis. Basically we have two competing "vocal minorities".


This +1!

In all honesty I think even 25% is pretty generous. Most warhammer players I know dislike the online warhammer communities for various reasons.

When I see people in DakkaDakka throwing around "Failcast" and other variations all I see is a 20+ page topic of the same 6-8 people complaining about the models, and jumping down the throats of anyone eals who comes into the topic.

10 or so Angry users on a message board is basically the definition of a "Vocal Minority". I'm sorry Necron but the irony of what you just said gave me a good laugh. I fail to see how that is "Gamers across the Globe up in arms".
XD

Thow I do want to know if you have been able to get a hold of customer serves yet over your model? I do wish you luck in that. In my past experience with faulty models with GW, then have always been A+ in resolving such issues.

[BrokenWing]

I think you just explained not only this thread, but exactly why people *don't* like the online warhammer/40k communities.

[eldargal]

There are already people on Warseer calling it Failco$t. So pathetic.


You should keep making jokes like this. They get funnier every time. It's right up there with using $ in stead of s for companies that make a lot of money.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

After being roundly insulted on this forum by many people, with a few people agreeing, I think it is safe to say that there are two reactions with regards to Finecast. I think it would be far more grown up not to slag each other off for our viewpoints and maybe draw a line under it and move on. The way I have been treated with regards to some threads has made me much less likely to post because people have actually been pretty hostile. My experience of Finecast thus far has been bad, others has been good. This will be the last post I make on the matter (hooray, whoopie yay - to save some people the trouble) - I can honestly say that the BOLS community, along with Finecast and GW, have left a nasty taste in my mouth this week...

[Spider-pope]

Apparently now GW is posting instruction on how to fix their broken products by filling in the mushy details with putty and super glue.




You mean like the advice they have had up for years on how to fix minor issues with metal and plastic casts? You're right it's atrocious that GW should dare offer up minor hobby advice on the material they have switched to using, it would be far better for them to ignore any minor problems and leave people new to resin in the lurch with no clue what to do.

I've yet to buy any of the new finecast stuff, thanks to a lack of funds currently, but if we are going to use anecdotal evidence to prove its "failure" then i will offer up my metal Captain Stern that had no nose my Inquisitor Karamazov which came without a seat. Clearly that proves that all GW metal products were completely flawed and worthless and that they never, ever produced a quality metal cast ever.

[Duncndisorderly]

If they had not released character models to go with the GK Codex what would people think?

Finecast was supposed to be a secret project that has been in the works for a year or more and a small team casting up minis for the release for months. To not release minis supporting A new Codex or Army Book would have upset some players and made others wonder what was going on.


You have mis understood my point, GW should have either stalled the launch of the GK or brought the launch of finecase forward either way they should have coincided. doing it this was was just another cheap GW money spinner

[wittdooley]

After being roundly insulted on this forum by many people, with a few people agreeing, I think it is safe to say that there are two reactions with regards to Finecast. I think it would be far more grown up not to slag each other off for our viewpoints and maybe draw a line under it and move on. The way I have been treated with regards to some threads has made me much less likely to post because people have actually been pretty hostile. My experience of Finecast thus far has been bad, others has been good. This will be the last post I make on the matter (hooray, whoopie yay - to save some people the trouble) - I can honestly say that the BOLS community, along with Finecast and GW, have left a nasty taste in my mouth this week...

Dude, your other post was roundly dismissed because you admitted to juvenille behaviour and compared GW to the Iranian Government. Were we really supposed to empathize?

[Malachi]

Face the simple fact-we are all in the minority. Very few people actually participate in online forums. I would venture a guess that less than 25% of WH40k/WHFB players read forums on a regular basis. Basically we have two competing "vocal minorities".

This is not unique to 40k or GW products either. I'm a freelance author for another game company and the same situation exist on the fan boards: there are maybe a dozen or two dozen fans that are very vocal about what is "wrong" and what a terrible job we are doing etc. Some of them have an especially self-important attitude about "we are the fans, you must listen to us" and such. However, comparing the number of registered users on the fan forum to the amount of sales of even one of the company's books shows clearly that the fan forum represents a very small portion of the overall "fanbase."

[Necron2.0]

There are already people on Warseer calling it Failco$t.

And on Dakka, and on DeviantArt, and at my LGS, and on several blogs, and ... and ... and. Google "GW Failcost" and you'll find it everywhere. Like I said to start, this has never been just my opinion. It's just people calling a spade a spade.

[Morgan Darkstar]

And on Dakka, and on DeviantArt, and at my LGS, and on several blogs, and ... and ... and. Google "GW Failcost" and you'll find it everywhere. Like I said to start, this has never been just my opinion. It's just people calling a spade a spade.



Seriously, give it a rest you are beginning to sound like a broken record & about twice as annoying!

[Gir]

And on Dakka, and on DeviantArt, and at my LGS, and on several blogs,

This is why I stick to BOLS mainly. It's the most grown up forum I've found.

[Duke]

I agree with gir...these topics have been beat to death. Closed.

Duke