GW price reaction poll!

[Skragger]

Everyone loves polls! And everyone loves more reactionary threads to GWs newest pricing strategies, shipping to the auzzies, and resin swapover!

So I pose a poll! What are your plans with GW over the next six months? There are a lot of options, so chose carefully, and its a mutlipoll so you can chose a few reactions! Let me know what YOU'RE going to do?

Personally, I'm going to back a bit away from 40K as its getting too pricey for me (paying rent, car, and putting the girlfriend through school), so I'm going to try to go back to some of the specialist games (Gorka Morka!) and maybe try something new like Warmachine. How about you? :confused:

[Gotthammer]

I see no poll :(

But my plans are that I'll buy only the odd box here and there to paint, which means right now I'll be getting a box of Scourges and that's it for the forseeable future. I have no need to buy any more than that to play games and I'm not going to starta new army or expand my existing armies.

[Wolfshade]

It probably won't have an impact on me really, the models I intend to buy I will do so even if the prices are higher, I don't make many purchases each year last year it was probably around the £150 mark or there abouts so I'll continue to paint play and purchase as normal :confused:

[isotope99]

I'll continue to make purchases, but will buy only the newer multi part plastic kits that I like. The older kits with fewer options that don't stack up against the newer kits and the big metal/resin models that need to be in squads are off the menu.

I'll also increase my bias towards online retailers and bits sites to save some money.

[wittdooley]

I''ll continue to buy, and, quite honestly, GW has less to do with my spending habits than the other aspect of my life do. So, business will be as usual for me until I put a bun in the oven.

Hopefully I'll have my titan by then ;-)

[Necron2.0]

I had to say I'm going to look to cheaper ways to build my armies. Most likely that will include looking into recasts. I have always found GW policies somewhat repugnant, and now they've finally crossed the line into encouraging civil disobedience.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I have always brought GW goods from sites that offer them at a discount, since I discovered they exsisted. But tbh, I am not a serious spender, never have been never will. Just means a little more saving (and I quite good at that as it is :L)... Does not mean I won't be buying a reasonable bulk of the new DEldar, before the price hike (I.E pre-ordering)

[wittdooley]

I had to say I'm going to look to cheaper ways to build my armies. Most likely that will include looking into recasts. I have always found GW policies somewhat repugnant, and now they've finally crossed the line into encouraging civil disobedience.



Yes. Recasting is the answer.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5108/5734254176_603990239f_s.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60733910@N07/5734254176/)

[Morgan Darkstar]

Yes. Recasting is the answer.

i am not sure, but i believe he may be being sarcastic? :eek:

personally i will still be purchasing from GW "via wayland games".
I am between jobs at the moment and i can still save enough pennies to afford a battleforce "or other things" every month.

[grimm]

Mr. Ford's Thoughts on your pole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPEP6Et_x2Y

Umm... it probably bears mentioning that it's probably NSFW.

[The Green Git]

I'll mostly suspend my GW purchases. It's not like I don't have a backlog of stuff on my shelves already. If something comes up that I simply MUST have to complete a fun and compelling project it will be obtained through barter or second hand purchase first. As a last resort we'll consider Ebay or other discounters but I will hold my nose while doing it.

As for other games there's lots to get excited about: Malifaux, Dust Tactics, Dystopian Wars, SOTR 1949, and a host of others. Not like I'll have to go looking for ways to spend my hobby dollars and support my FLGS. Currently the Malifaux scene at my local haunt is expanding like gangbusters!

[Denzark]

I'm already 90% second hand so none of your options fit. I will still play the game system as I have a 22 year investment in it and 'kill the caster' bores me after a while.

[JxKxR]

Screw Games Workshop!!! I've been a loyal customer for a few years now and have been slowly but surely getting priced out of the hobby I love. I hate to say it but I guess I'm out now. I can play with the models I have but there will be NO new additions to my army. I can't afford it especially now that I'm going back to college. This sucks... This is or rather was my hobby, now what am I supposed to do with the extra time I used to fill up with putting together my new models? And I'm not going over to Warmachine, I hate steampunk crap. This is just ultimate suck. I hate GW because they don't care about you, not even a little, and they keep giving their customers the big "F OFF! We are done with you." So screw GW I hope the whole damn company goes under and then no more Warhammer at all. I hate games workshop so much.:mad:

[MarneusCalgar]

As I voted:

I'm going to start looking for cheaper ways to get GW (Second Hand Treasure Hunter)

Just cloning, or buying it in Ebay or in Wayland/Maelstrom (in Spain they´re going to still sell GW at least)...

[TheRise]

I may buy a box now and again. mainyl becuase I have my local indy that I work at and i get 10% of there. but mainly I will be getting cheaper alternatives, maybe from other games systems. Also on the 40k Radio a fair while ago Mantic Games, renowned fro producing lovely cheap Fantasy minis, announced they will be branching into "Gothic Sci-Fi"...

[Ph3brickid]

I personally don't spend any where near so much money on GW at the moment mainly because I don't like their current way of doing things and their unrelenting stream of BS that they are throwing out eg. 'fine cast' - They are recasting their models in a cheaper material , raising prices and vlaiming these are of superior quality while being made from the same mold as they were before but with air vents in them and air bubbles in the models!!!

I also started looking around for other companies and found the great Infinity game system from Corvus Belli with free rules that are in my opinion far better than GW rules of late and with models to match this quality.

[wittdooley]

I personally don't spend any where near so much money on GW at the moment mainly because I don't like their current way of doing things and their unrelenting stream of BS that they are throwing out eg. 'fine cast' - They are recasting their models in a cheaper material , raising prices and vlaiming these are of superior quality while being made from the same mold as they were before but with air vents in them and air bubbles in the models!!!

I also started looking around for other companies and found the great Infinity game system from Corvus Belli with free rules that are in my opinion far better than GW rules of late and with models to match this quality.

Infinity is great, but let's be fair: that ruleset has more bookkeeping than GW rules ever hope to.

Also, I wonder:

If GW had announced the price increases PRIOR to the Fine Cast announcement, would people be as up in arms about said increase? I think not. What do you think?

[DrLove42]

Mantic games have more horrible models than good though. At least in my armies

Why is everyone acting like the sky is falling? So half the line is gained a buck or 2...some less than that, some a little more. Just means when you buy a box you buy one less beer that week. its not going to change anything unless you buy 5 new boxes a week, every week. And even then its got to add up to mean something!

The reason for this rise is simple. Oil. While you Yanks may be paying less than 50% of what we pay over here you've all started complaining your petrol bills have gone up, ours have were always more expensive, and have gone up just as much.

And for a TNC like GW (Trans-National Company) the costs of shipping and distribution is huge. And those trucks/lorrys/aircraft/shipping boats dont run on dreams and happy thoughts.

So suck it up, stop pretending that an extra 2 dollars is going to force you to sell your house and beg so you can afford those marines.

It could be worse, you could be an Aussie right now. Their prices have just gone up nearly 100% let alone 3%...

[wittdooley]

What do you guys pay per gallon equivalent for gas?

[Denzark]

Screw Games Workshop!!! I've been a loyal customer for a few years now and have been slowly but surely getting priced out of the hobby I love. I hate to say it but I guess I'm out now. I can play with the models I have but there will be NO new additions to my army. I can't afford it especially now that I'm going back to college. This sucks... This is or rather was my hobby, now what am I supposed to do with the extra time I used to fill up with putting together my new models? And I'm not going over to Warmachine, I hate steampunk crap. This is just ultimate suck. I hate GW because they don't care about you, not even a little, and they keep giving their customers the big "F OFF! We are done with you." So screw GW I hope the whole damn company goes under and then no more Warhammer at all. I hate games workshop so much.:mad:

Awesome rant!

[Psychosplodge]

Apart from the odd model I want to buy to paint I'm quitting the model buying side,
that's as much to do with the change to resin as pricing as I liked the weighty quality feel of the character models and with that gone not a lot to keep me,no longer want to dedicate the time to it and the friend who used to play against quit at the last price rises so...
The price alone would have merely made me more thoughtful about what and how I purchased but with the other factors too...

Still going to buy the Black Library books 'cause I love the universe so it's not exactly a boycott but it's finished my gaming.

[Psychosplodge]

What do you guys pay per gallon equivalent for gas?

Sorry to double post, but just read thread, and You really don't want to know.

[DrLove42]

What do you guys pay per gallon equivalent for gas?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13338754

Scroll down abit theres a price comparison at the pumps for the same amount of fuel in different countries.

In April and May the average price the the pumps in the states was just over a dollar per litre.

In the same time period the average cost for the same amount of fuel was about $2.35 in the UK (and a painful $2.55 in Holland)


And on topic i've jsut seen someones comment on the BoLs news story on the front page. He basically said "This price rise is wrong! I'm not gonna be dropping $1500 dollars a year on this hobby anymore!"...spending that much a year, at these news prices you'll be getting the exact same amount, minus a tank or 2

[Gotthammer]

It works out around $6.60-$7 a gallon here. 'Good' prices lately are still around $4.25 a gallon.

A gallon is 3.8 litres to save people looking it up.

[wittdooley]

Thanks for that link!

Now, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment:

How far does the average citizen in the UK drive to get to work? This is a completely baseless guess, but I'd wager it's notably less than the average US citizen. As an example, I drive ~25 miles to and from work, so ~50 miles a day average. My parent's drive ~40 miles to and from, so ~80 miles a day.

EDIT: I'm Presently paying ~$4.00/gallon

Also, I envy the entire EU's far superior public transit. We've got it here in only the largest cities. I'm in Cincinnati, and our public transit is mediocre at best. I probably wouldn't own a car if I didn't have to. We certainly wouldn't own two.

[Psychosplodge]

I used to do an 80 mile round trip to work so I could stop at our lasses a couple of nights a week, but it's gone up that much since then I can only manage weekends now, It's probably increased 40% since then, and to do the same trip by the brilliant public transport takes 4 hours instead of the 1 hour driving....
Also a lot of full time workers probably do similar commutes to what you mentioned but part timers probably don't in my experience due to it not been worth it.

[DrLove42]

I don't doubt some americans drive furthur, and yeah you probably do as an average drive more. I know how big LA is as well as some other cities in the states so I can imagine you guys do drive furthur. It does say in the article that even with greater costs, americans average greater expenditure on fuel than most europeans. But that can also come down to the type of car

But then same happens here. The area to the west of london is known as the M4 corridor, and runs along the motorway. A lot of people there travel to london or other big places, 70 miiles a day. I had a meeting this morning with a guy from Holland whos had meeting this week in Leeds (150 miles north), London (70 miles northeast) and Cardiff (100 miles Northwest) this week before seeing us. And hes driven in all (no idea why he didn't just fly)

Our public transport is pretty good, but again only in towns and cities. I pay £150 a year and get unlimited bus travel. But theres a village near here that gets a bus a week into town. Just one bus into town a week. No bus back.

[lattd]

I wont be buying a GW model for a while, however i did buy into GW for one simple purpose, GW needs to keep its share holders happy if everyone on this forum buys a couple of shares and then badgers Tom Kirby with emails heres the link, http://investor.games-workshop.com/information_for_investors/talk_to_tom/default.aspx , if enough share holders tell him hes doing it wrong he either has to listen and lower prices or face a vote of no confidence.

[Lane]

For me it my GW budget will see a combination of the above options.

I will buy fewer GW products

A greater portion will be second hand (ebay etc) or online retailers.

Not sure about other game systems, I have limited free time and would like to finish current gaming projects before I look at other systems.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

I'll keep playing - just ordered a Tau army via maelstrom. And will probably collect Necrons when they are released (everyone read Fall of Damnos, as I can see the changes to the background in the book, and I liked it a lot). Unfortunately, my group is falling out of the hobby.

[mad_larkin]

I'll stick with ebay and my FLGS. I was in there earlier picking up a birthday present to myself and was given a 5% discount without asking.:D

[SotonShades]

I won't be buying as much GW stuff over the next couple of years, but that is more my personnal situation than the price increase. Partly that's because I have a few hundred models waiting to be built/painted/used. It'll be a while before I need anything again... though how well I will stick to that, only time will tell.

[Defenestratus]

I will continue to buy their minis and not complain about their prices. GW stuff is still a good deal.

[Firebird]

My problem is some of the price increases are as high as 25%!!!! WTF?! 25%?

[RebelGrot]

The part of my disposable income that I currently spend on GW each month will still go towards GW purchases. If I do a bulk purchase of 3+ boxes like I did last month then I make sure I go to Dark Sphere here in London and get the 20% in store discount. If it's just a single box or blister then it's cheaper to buy it from GW as I don't have to pay for transport for the extra journey.

If everything doubled in price (i.e in Australia) I could understand all this upset (the EU trade block does suck) but Terminators going up by a couple of £ is hardly the end of the world. Unless people are dropping their life savings on a whole new army then it's only a small difference - it's not like the extra £2 will stop you putting food on the table. If money is that tight then save up an extra week of pocket money and you can afford exactly the same stuff.

People didn't complain this much in January when the UK's VAT rose by 2.5% on everything - i.e essential stuff like food and clothes.

It's a hobby, a luxury that we all enjoy. The majority of us will have dozens of unpainted or even unbuilt models lying about - buy what you actually need and will use and you'll probably end up saving money, even with the price rise!

[The Madman]

not really going to affect me, i don't buy as much anymore as i've got enough models to play any style of army i like. though i was thinking of restarting tomb kings again but with the amount of models needed to play now i won't be able to afford it.

however my 10K worth of chaos marines will keep me in good supply (i recycle them whenever i need a new unit).

[Cyberscape7]

[QUOTE=RebelGrot;139096]People didn't complain this much in January when the UK's VAT rose by 2.5% on everything - i.e essential stuff like food and clothes. [QUOTE]

Actually I think GW does have VAT on models. I remember them going up in price a bit in Jan, and my receipts always mention the VAT. Please correct me if I'm wrong, cuz I'm not that in touch with the economy.

[Psychosplodge]

There is no vat on most food

[RebelGrot]

[QUOTE=RebelGrot;139096]People didn't complain this much in January when the UK's VAT rose by 2.5% on everything - i.e essential stuff like food and clothes. [QUOTE]

Actually I think GW does have VAT on models. I remember them going up in price a bit in Jan, and my receipts always mention the VAT. Please correct me if I'm wrong, cuz I'm not that in touch with the economy.

Yup, indeed they do (within Europe at least). My point was that prices went up on everything this year in the UK (including GW) and, while it was no fun, people still weren't as upset about essential goods going up in price as some people here are about plastic make believe men.

[Cyberscape7]

[QUOTE=Cyberscape7;139107][QUOTE=RebelGrot;139096]People didn't complain this much in January when the UK's VAT rose by 2.5% on everything - i.e essential stuff like food and clothes.

Yup, indeed they do (within Europe at least). My point was that prices went up on everything this year in the UK (including GW) and, while it was no fun, people still weren't as upset about essential goods going up in price as some people here are about plastic make believe men.

Ah, sorry didn't understand at first :) Completely agree with you tho :D

[Daemonette666]

I already have 5 large armies for 40K, and do not want to diverge into fantasy or any of the other GW systems. Rather than buy new miniatures for "newly developed and released troop or vehicle types released for the next Chaos Marine codex, I will either buy Forge World "if able", or shop for miniatures released by other companies that can be converted to represent the relevant GW miniature.

I do not go to GW stores or battle bunkers to play my games of 40K anymore, as I have a local gaming shop that has far better customer service, are not rule Nazees - i.e. no talking about building an Imperial Guard army based around a Starship troopers theme, or no talking about Dr Who, only to hear the staff members talking about the very same thing a a few minutes later in the back room.

I would have put up the option in the poll - Use miniatures from other companies to "count as" the miniature you want to use.

[Necron2.0]

I already have 5 large armies for 40K, and do not want to diverge into fantasy or any of the other GW systems.

This. I think this sums up in a nutshell why GW is shooting themselves in the foot. If I had been considering getting into fantasy battles or blood bowl or anything else, I certainly am not now.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Well, I've made the hard decision to sell some of my armies. I'm selling my Eldar and Skaven, but keeping the Dark Elves and Dark Eldar. I will still buy Dark Eldar products, but not from GW if I can help it. Tomorrow, I will be starting Warmachine.

[Aldramelech]

Thanks for that link!

Now, I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a moment:

How far does the average citizen in the UK drive to get to work? This is a completely baseless guess, but I'd wager it's notably less than the average US citizen. As an example, I drive ~25 miles to and from work, so ~50 miles a day average. My parent's drive ~40 miles to and from, so ~80 miles a day.

EDIT: I'm Presently paying ~$4.00/gallon

Also, I envy the entire EU's far superior public transit. We've got it here in only the largest cities. I'm in Cincinnati, and our public transit is mediocre at best. I probably wouldn't own a car if I didn't have to. We certainly wouldn't own two.

What the hell are you talking about, you, you, Oh god there are not enough swear words in the bloody world! We have the ****est public transport system in the world! And proberbly the most expensive.

Your a F*&%wit!

[Marius]

I will wait till DArk Angels get new stuff...

[AngelsofDeath]

I have decided to do a Charlie Sheen self re-hab with my buying of models. I have always wanted a new model or new project army going on to keep me interested in the hobby. But as of now I will just finish painting what I have and play with what I have. My new model budget as of now is $0.00 and I am ok with it. I will still support my local game store with purchases of other items, but GW is not an option.

[Col.Gravis]

I had it in mind to do Grey Knights. Not feeling it anymore. I'm investing in Spartan Games stuff instead. Might still add the odd unit to my Guard though.

[eldargal]

I think the UK prices are worth it, not cheap, but worth it. If I were paying antipodean prices for them then I would certainly be buying a lot less. Well that is a lie, I spend more on other hobbies so why economise on this hobby. :rolleyes:

Point is, I do think the colonial prices are unreasonable, but I do not think the UK prices are.

[MarneusCalgar]

The problem I find in this is that GW tries to equal all the prices worldwide with the price in pounds... And sometimes they overestimate that price in their profit

I´m lucky to have already finished my Ultramarines and Space Wolves armies

[Maelstorm]

I've bought all of the Space Marine and Necron models I care to at this time. I bought the Grey Knights codex a week or so before the price-hike / screw my mates in Australia note came out. I had fully intended to step up and put together a 3,500 point GK force for local campaigns. I've tossed the GK Codex into the drawer and left it there to rot.

My 40k buddies and I have decided to jump ship and head to Privateer Press to play Warmachine;

A ready-made battle-box with a competitive army for $40? Competitive armies across the board? Change 1 inexpensive HQ unit and completely change the way an army plays? The game is not called "wallet-hammer for the win"? Every model comes with the listed weapons - no guessing required? Spectacular plastic models that fit tab-in-slot with no gaps to fill? You can mix Warmachine and Hordes against each other with the same ruleset? The player with a low budget and few models can beat a player with an unlimited budget and all of the modes? YES PLEASE!

We'll still drag out the 40k bits to play on occasion, but it's time to let our wallets vote "no" to the latest string of GW miss-steps.

Intersted in playing the bad guys in Warmachine? Give Cryx a look

http://battlecollege.wikispaces.com/

Doesn't the Cryx Slayer make a Dreadnought look like the box it was shipped in? The Slayer comes in the $40 starter box too...

http://i832.photobucket.com/albums/zz246/bbrine01/slayer.jpg

[Denzark]

Do us a favour maelstorm. We've all heard the sirens on your waaaaahmbulance about Necrons, and wishlisting.

You may even genuinely believe that you are now a newly gazetted PP Fanboy. But as soon as new Codex Necron comes out, you will sneak a peek like a child reading under the covers by torchlight. If, like all new codexes recently, the army gets a beef, you will be back on here screaming about how righteous Necrons are, and how you have been vindicated as you destroy armies with remaining 4ed codexes...

And no, the cryx slayer does not make the dreadnought look like anything other than a dreadnought, as the cryx slayer lloks like something where the chinese sculpters mixed up their briefing notes and put the concept of old school screamer killer together with GW dread.

[Lerra]

Right now, about 50% of my models were purchased on ebay, 25% purchased new, and 25% are scratch-build or made with leftover bits.

My future modeling projects will probably involve more scratch-building and 3rd party bits. I'm hoping more companies like Mantic, Wargames Factory, and Chapterhouse start giving GW some competition. It might drive the prices down, and if it doesn't, at least I have a reasonably-priced alternative to GW.

[vyrago]

I was already very much not happy about GW prices in the past. now with the increase + Maelstrom/Wayland being stomped on....I'm out. I have a small army, good enough for any games that might come up, but no more new models for me. There are so many other cheaper nerd games out there, many of them 40k related: Dawn of War games, Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch RPGs.....tabletop can just kiss my a$$.

[Verilance]

I was already very much not happy about GW prices in the past. now with the increase + Maelstrom/Wayland being stomped on....I'm out. I have a small army, good enough for any games that might come up, but no more new models for me. There are so many other cheaper nerd games out there, many of them 40k related: Dawn of War games, Dark Heresy/Rogue Trader/Deathwatch RPGs.....tabletop can just kiss my a$$.

So instead of directly giving money to GW you are going to indirectly give money to GW?

[vyrago]

Of course! I would NEVER download a torrent of Dawn of War or PDFs of Dark Heresy...because that would be stealing. *cough*

[Maelstorm]

You may even genuinely believe that you are now a newly gazetted PP Fanboy. But as soon as new Codex Necron comes out, you will sneak a peek like a child reading under the covers by torchlight. If, like all new codexes recently, the army gets a beef, you will be back on here screaming about how righteous Necrons are, and how you have been vindicated as you destroy armies with remaining 4ed codexes...

And no, the cryx slayer does not make the dreadnought look like anything other than a dreadnought, as the cryx slayer lloks like something where the chinese sculpters mixed up their briefing notes and put the concept of old school screamer killer together with GW dread.

The last time i jumped ship from 40k is was for 20+ years. I have no problem walking away from a company that ticks me off and dumps on my friends who play 40k in Australia.

I also have no problem responding politely to someone who slings mud like an arrogant, self-important child. Please be civil or stop posting.

And yes Space Marine Dreadnoughts look like dressed-up clumsy boxes.

[chromedog]

I will buy fewer (if any) products.
I already source most of my 40k stuff 2nd hand (many of our larger games cons have a 2nd hand "bring & buy" table or room for this purpose). I've spent a grand total of $30 on GW this year, and that's it for the duration of this year (bought a Nemesis Dread Knight). My paints are by Vallejo unless I'm airbrushing, in which case it's Tamiya's stock.

I have ALWAYS played a 2nd non-GW game in addition to 40k, starting with RT (when it was alongside Battletech or Modern wargaming in HO scale - older gamers might remember the Roco minitanks line around the GW1 time period - 1990) and I've already switched focus to my alternate this time around (infinity) for tourney play. I still play 40k at club level (25 years of collecting stuff still leaves me with a LOT to play with without buying more. It's not like the models stop working if I don't buy any more, after all).

[Beta_Ray_Bill]

I may look for a new system... and if I DO stick with GW... EBay it is... There's ALWAYS something out there...

[shadosun]

I'll probably just prioritize getting my main army finished while my nids will have to wait. Interestingly enough this thread and the even of them raising their prices has brought the game warmachine to my attention....great now I have 2 games I will be spending my cash on lol In all seriousness though the increase sucks, but as I still intend for this to be my main miniatures game it looks like I'll have to stomach it and just buy less.

[Uncle Nutsy]

ebay!

[BuFFo]

"I'm going to start looking into other game systems!"

I have stopped buying GW models for my war gaming hobby. I am in the process of selling off my armies.

I have picked up more Privateer Press models to flesh out my Legion of Everblight, and I am getting into Infinity.

[wittdooley]

If you're swearing off the GW, Buffo, Check out Malifaux. Very different system that is inexpensive to get into. Some of the castings of the models blow chunks, but the game is very, very fun.

[BuFFo]

If you're swearing off the GW, Buffo, Check out Malifaux. Very different system that is inexpensive to get into. Some of the castings of the models blow chunks, but the game is very, very fun.

Thank you very much for the suggestion! Everyone speaks highly of Malifaux, but, I already got into Infinity... One new game system at a time :)

[Commissar Lewis]

Truth be told, this now has priced me outta the hobby. I'll still likely play with what I have, but I ain't buying no more.

Hell for the prices GW is asking for I can shop from the upper and top shelves of the liquor store.

And truth be told, after shipping out to basic and during my time in the Army, I'm certainly not using money better spent on partying during leave on 40k.

So, sad as it is, looks like me and GW will be parting ways. It's been a fun 4 or 5 years, though,