All-Rounder 1500 pts Grey Knight list

[Neelam]

Been writing up a 1.5k list to take to my LGS . There's no real tourny goers so i doubt i'll see any insane lists just average ones , looking for any advice you might have.


HQ
Draigo - 275

Elites

5 Purifiers (4x Halberds 1x Demonhammer)
Razorback (TL/AC, Psybolts) - 218

Vindicare - 145

Troops

3 Paladins (2x Halberds 1x Demonhammer) - 165

10 Man Strike Squad (2x Psycannon)
Rhino - 260

5 Man Strike Squad (1x Psycannon)
Razorback (TL/HB Psybolts) - 160

Heavy Support

Dreadnought (2xTL/AC, Psybolts) - 135

Dreadnought (2xTL/AC, Psybolts) - 135

Total :1493

So it leaves me with 7pts , i guess i could master craft one of the demon hammers?

The idea was use draigo's grand strategy to scout the transports up to get closer to the 24" range that grey knights love, have the dreadnoughts + vindicare provide fire support and finally for draigo + the paladins provide a deep strike deathstar wherever its required. Reason i took Draigo over a grandmaster is his toughness / storm shield / eternal warrior , i dont like the idea of a 220pt grand master + his termies/ paladins all managing to get unlucky and suffer instant death at the hands of some melta weapons or an AP2 blast.

[Denied]

Not a bad list overall. Few things I can see where you could potentially improve.
1) Paladins are expensive 2 wound terminators that die just as easily to force weapons as the next guy, so I would stick with Terminators and get more for cheaper.
2) Draigo is way too damn expensive in my taste for a single HQ unit. I would drop him and replace it with a decked out Grand Master, Make sure to give it rad, psykotroke, and blind grenades and its a fun CC time to be had.
3) Vindicare is nice, but he is all alone and in the game I play tested with him he died to a 10 man IG platoon squad that just piled on him and beat him in CC, they had too many damn swings compared to him. There are better places to spend the points ... like another rifle dread IMO.
4) Razor backs are not worth it. You have psycannons and you want to shoot them.... a lot! I wouldn't place any of my GKSS or Purifiers in a Razorback, since in a Rhino they have a well protected vehicle that literally only goes down on a wrecked vehicle result (thank you fortitude and Rhino special repair ability).

BTW in the 6-8 games I have played with my GK list my vehicle's have only failed a Fortitude roll once and trust me they roll them at least once a turn :-P

Suggestions: I am finding it harder and harder to love purifiers since they are significantly more expensive then GKSS and most of the time they end up behaving like a GKSS anyways. I would personally drop them and beef up your 5 man GKSS to a 10 man squad.

These are all just my suggestions from the experience I have had in play testing so far. Nothing is a solid "OMG WHY AREN'T YOU FIELDING THIS!" Statement at all, just preferences.

[Neelam]

Ah i forgot to say that this list was built around models i already have (just lacking the vindicare and dreadnoughts. The razorbacks i managed to snap up for £20 (including the assault cannon which would of cost me a fair bit for the LRC sprue). I figured since im not taking big 10 man squads with psycannons it wouldnt matter.

I took draigo over a GM because with the upgrades that most people people takes they are generalls 200+ points and can still die to a melta gun, draigo isnt much more and is alot more 'tanky'. Paladins were taken over terminators because they are cheaper per wound / i didnt have the full 200pts spare for a squad.

I took the vindicare because i didnt have a whole lot to deal with AV14, i guess he's a bit of a gambit but then again it's more fun that way

I can see having the bigger squads + rhinos may win me more games but it seems a bit bland to me : /

[Denied]

If your concern is models, terminators and Paladins look almost identical and Draigo could easily be called a GM with flair :-P Since he IS a Grand Master >_>

Draigo is 275 points, a fully decked out GM is 210-255 depending on the weapons load out. My suggestion is keep it low, GM with Psychotroke, rad, and blind grenades no weapons changes or upgrades is I believe 210... don't have my codex in front of me at the moment to confirm. That is 65 points! that's an beefed out Paladin if nothing else and just a few points short of a 5 man GKSS. Plus the Grand master is a multiple wound model... Totally worth it over Draigo, the only benefits he gives you is in CC with his sword and to make paladins count as troups, but again paladins are too damn expensive and can still die easily. If you dropped the pally's and Draigo and grabbed a GM and a 5 man terminator squad you would be clutch and have more models on the board which is ultimately the major downfall of your list. Remember low model counts means enemy armies have fewer targets to worry about and you want them to worry!

It's best when building a Grey Knights list to think hard on how many models your fielding because it can hurt you a lot.


I can see having the bigger squads + rhinos may win me more games but it seems a bit bland to me : /
As for bland ... I didn't realize this was a flavor army you were building , if that's the case scrap it all and roll with Dreadknights they are very pretty models imo :-P

Truthfully there is no reason to take Razorbacks and every reason to take Rhinos, remember the advantage to a Grey Knights list lies in their 24" ranges Psycannons. You will devastate most armies if you can keep them at a 24" range while you hammer them with the psycannons! Sitting in a Rhino with that lovely armor and blasting models from 24" with 8shots worth of psycannon (if you don't move, 4 if you do) can rip stuff up.

As for the AV14 problem you have Psybolt ammo twin-linked autocannon dreads for those. They are Str 8 sure so your only glancing on a 6 but hitting on average 3-4 times per dread. Not many people have entire armies of AV14 vehicles .... except IG ... damn IG >_> and if you lay into them with 3 Rifle dreads worth of fire on average you will get 2-3 penetrating hits. That's more then the single Vindicare :-P

[DarkLink]

Driago spends a lot of points making Paladins troops. Ergo, you should have lots of Paladins as troops if you take him. Otherwise, a normal GM is a much better deal. Just stick with Grenades and a couple skulls. I'd then buy a box of Terminators, since you can use them as either GKT or Paladins and they are well worth it.

[Neelam]

So the rest of the list is pretty solid? Just draigo + the paladins being too much of a point sink?

[DarkLink]

Yeah, rest of the list isn't bad. There are some things I'd tweak, still, but those depend on what you do with Driago and the Paladins. Either upgrade and get more Paladins, or downgrade Driago and turn the Paladins into Terminators.

[Major Shultz]

Howdy!
Here is a thought...
Use the Draigo figure as a Grand Master with sword, GM's come with Iron Halo so 3+ Invulnerable in melee with sword...so the Shield is for visual.
If you want antiarmor swap GM for Librarian instead of vindicare.

1,450 pt Grey Knights with 50 more points to spend on whatever
HQ
210 Grand Master, Blind, Rad & Psychtock Grenades
Troops
450 10x Terminators, 2x Psycannon
260 10x GKSS, 2x Psycannon, Rhino
260 10x GKSS, 2x Psycannon, Rhino
Heavy
135 PsyRifle Dreadnought
135 PsyRifle Dreadnought