New New Dark Eldar!

[energongoodie]

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=wh40k

They look AWESOME!

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780416a_99120112014_DEScourges01_873x627.jpg

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780209a_99120112016_Cronos03_873x627.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780164a_99120112016_DETalos01_873x627.jpg
http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1780178a_99120112013_DEVenom01_445x319.jpg

[mallet_man]

Now I see why GW only publish less than half the models in a new book, they wait to steal the publics conversion ideas! namely sticking gargoyle wings on scourges and using the vyper kit to make a venom! :eek:
just kidding, they look great! love the parasite engines! and plastic scourges douy!!!!!

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

I'm surprised by the Talos/Cronus designs - not what I was expecting. However, I am very pleased - all the more so by the Scourge designs.

[superOK]

These are great! :)

[TheBitzBarn]

Really you think that the Design Studio that has access to EVERY GW MODEL Stole form the community are you so Diluted to think you and me are that important to the design team. If you thought of it trust me they had already especially seeing how they have been working on this line since December 2008.

The Dark Eldar and Eldar are Cousins so it surprises you that the Viper and Venom are based on the same chassis. We stole their ideas but they had not released them as of yet.

[mallet_man]

i was just kidding mate chill out :o

[eldargal]

The Razorwing:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110112&d=1305119132

[DrLove42]

Holy crap they're gorgeous. Gotta buy 2 of them as well!

Where are these from? Looks like WD

[eldargal]

The Facebook page of a GW store, via Warseer. Whether from WD or something else stores have I don't know.

[Cyberscape7]

Scourges= proof that GW can actually make some plastic swooping hawks.
Now all we need is an eldar update and they should come along...(waits optimistically)

[Wolf Brother Hellstrom]

um? uh! im drooling!

[The_Ancient]

these are some beautiful models some of the best I've ever seen

[SotonShades]

Dman it damn it damn it! Those razorwings mean I will have to start a new army. They are too nice not to own

[isotope99]

The razorwings look good but I still don't see why they didn't just it a combined kit for the void raven too. (strongly rumoured to be two separate kits).

I'm sure if they make a void raven, it will also look great but given the number of units waiting for plastic models, and the level of common weaponry between the two, I think that GW's resources could be better spent.

[eldargal]

The voidraven is rumoured to be significantly bigger than the razorwing, too big to combine the two comfortably.

[david5th]

They make me feel strange in a ALL XENOS MUST BE PURGED kind of way.

Seriously, they are some beautiful models.:)

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I believe all this DEldar loveliness calls for a new list to be written :D. Scrouges and Talos/Cronos combo's o.O?

[fuzzbuket]

now how awesome would a diorama with those scourgers be! they are the nicest models in a while IHMO!





using the vyper kit to make a venom!!

please google the 'wayback machine' go to GwS old site and gaze at the harlie dex:

not the GW:conversion guide to making a venom out of a viper and a raider.

[FTE-Charge!!!]

I can understand why these models would be released so quickly, and they are awesome, but this company has def left the 'flavor of the month' launchpad. There are still codices out there with many many models missing.

I have a feeling that even the TK will be left in the dust like Beastman, but what hap to Tyranids?

[Anggul]

All looking excellent, tis a shame that the Scourges will never, ever have a dark lance like in the picture, but whatever, it's all so beautiful.

[DrBored]

All looking excellent, tis a shame that the Scourges will never, ever have a dark lance like in the picture, but whatever, it's all so beautiful.

They could. What's one thing you wish you could do with Devastator Marines with Missile Launchers? Relocate them 12 + d6" so they can set up at a better position for next turn.

[Asymmetrical Xeno]

Purely judged on my personal taste - I love the Cronos.

Lets see..

1) floaty - Check!
2) TENTACLES! - check!
3) weird and scary - Check!

yeah...may buy a few. The rest is all good but doesnt really appeal to my taste. I'm a bit dissapointed by the Scourges, they are good but I thought the artwork of them was better as they looked more mutilated and birdlike. Now if only they'd bring out the Wracks I could actually start building an army...

[Malachi]

This release has the DE edging into the "lovecraftian techno-horror" look that I expected out of the Necrons. Hopefully this means good things will be coming in the future for Necron models too.

[MuGGzy]

Sweet baby Jeebus the Talos/Chronos are SICK SICK SICK! In the most positive context possible.

[greenstuff777]

Pretty snazy..

Gotta buy 3 chronos

still need wracks

[GrenAcid]

zOMG
I was expecting more from Scourges tbh but they are sweet anyway, Talos/Cronos so sick/great looking models....damn...I NEED MORE MONEY....

Venom on other hand...nah....preper my jetfighters and bombers!!

[scadugenga]

Really you think that the Design Studio that has access to EVERY GW MODEL Stole form the community are you so Diluted

What, in an aqueous solution?

...


Now, for the important stuff:

Damn, are those Scourges almost as perfect as I was hoping for.

The Talos/Cronos engines are sick! (in that needing psychotherapy good way...)

The Voidraven looks fantastic. GW gives me hope that when the Eldar are revamped, they'll do it right.

[Archon]

Wow GW ist holding the high standard of the DE range - awesome kits.

Talos/Cronos - yeah sick, ugly but on a strange side beautyful:D

Scourges: I´ve hoped that I can keep the old ones, but no these freaks a screaming for a replace

Venom: Nice - yep its the lowest kit in that range here :)

And the Razorwings are pure cunning evil coolness - love it, to bad I´ll plan to use them in dou:cool:

[Bigred]

Yeah we can debate the merits of the various codex power levels all day, but its hard to deny that the Dark Eldar have the most advanced (on a manufacturing technical level) and beautiful range in wargaming right now. Just amazing stuff to pull of with mass produced injection plastic kits.

[Defenestratus]

Am I the only one that looks at those razorwings and says "there is something not quite right with those".

I don't mean in the design department. While it isn't my cup of tea, its certainly very DE-ish.... but the large flat open areas and the what seems to be very thickly painted highlights seem to indicate to me that this might be something that was produced as a very well done kitbash....

[isotope99]

Am I the only one that looks at those razorwings and says "there is something not quite right with those".

I don't mean in the design department. While it isn't my cup of tea, its certainly very DE-ish.... but the large flat open areas and the what seems to be very thickly painted highlights seem to indicate to me that this might be something that was produced as a very well done kitbash....

It's using the new venom cockpit glass piece and seems to be on WD terrain, so I imagine its genuine. For me the back is slightly too high and I think the points on the wings and nose could be sharper.

It looks good, just not quite as menacing as I was hoping.

[Lerra]

The Talos/Cronos kit looks awesome. It looks like I'll be adding to my growing collection of converted Daemon Princes.

[eldargal]

There is another design thing with Jes Goodwin on the GW website, its quite good:
Sketches of Pain. (http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16400036a)


The Razorwing picture game from a GW store facebook page, so I doubt it is a scratchbuild/kitbash. I guess we won't know for sure until the 25th.

[TSINI]

I'm looking at the talos for inquisitor characters, hulking Arco flagellant for sure!

[Deadlift]

Im loving the chronos and talos model but as a Blood Angels / Necron player I just don't see how I could fit one into my army as anything ?. Is there a smallish DE list that would allow you to spam these models. I could be tempted.

[isotope99]

Im loving the chronos and talos model but as a Blood Angels / Necron player I just don't see how I could fit one into my army as anything ?. Is there a smallish DE list that would allow you to spam these models. I could be tempted.

I'm going to use one in my death guard as necrons army for a tomb spyder (assuming there's nothing new in the codex that is also appropriate). I don't think a straight necron conversion would be too hard.

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I have to say I am really likeing the scourge models, they are absolutely gorgeous

[Asdrubaul]

OMG, these models look awesome! Gonna get me 1 Talos and a group of Scourges for sure ! GJ GW! I hope they release some more Dark Eldar, like some special characters :-)

[Rusty Nail]

Am I the only one that looks at those razorwings and says "there is something not quite right with those".

I don't mean in the design department. While it isn't my cup of tea, its certainly very DE-ish.... but the large flat open areas and the what seems to be very thickly painted highlights seem to indicate to me that this might be something that was produced as a very well done kitbash....

Whilst everybody is saying Razorwing it says "Bomber" to me so hoping it's the Voidraven

Tom

[eldargal]

It isn't, the GW store* facebook page it came from called it the Razorwing, and they should know. The Voidraven isn't coming out till August (rumoured).


*Nuneaton store, if anyone was wondering.

[Rusty Nail]

Damn, oh well I'll be buying at least one, (i.e.3), anyway and now wondering what the Voidraven is actually going to look like!

Cannot wait to get my hands on the Scourges either, might not tbe the most competitive choice for the army but they are going in there no matter what!

[Spellscape]

Just full news
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55396104?access_key=key-1hmlw8mdvfbdz4593q8t

[GrenAcid]

Last pic in that link is sweet, talos looks so great in the middle of DE force, massive, deadly and mean...

Gonna get that battle force...

[newtoncain]

bummer it is only a ftr kit and not a ftr/bomber kit.:mad:

[DrLove42]

Someone is so getting fired for leaking that...

But again the wording of WD showing how to "collect and Paint a Hemonculus coven"...the rest of the models for it must be coming soon

[Uncle Nutsy]

heheheh.

who needs to hold objectives when you can just blow the enemy troops off them now? :)

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Im loving the chronos and talos model but as a Blood Angels / Necron player I just don't see how I could fit one into my army as anything ?. Is there a smallish DE list that would allow you to spam these models. I could be tempted.

i have a 600 point list planned, including 2 Talos' models and a Cronos

[DrLove42]

Furthur to my previous point,as I wandered (weak and weary) to the shops earlier I was thinking about it. If the flier is included in that paper release file (which I assume was for GW managers) and nothing else was, it suggests the next wave in a week or 2 doesn't contain anything else? Just the flier? Or is this leak been edited to not include the other goodies?

Argh! This is worse than not knowing anything!

WD is only 2 weeks away...so less than that for subscribers!

[eldargal]

Yep according to Frgt/10 on Warseer the only thing coming in two weeks is the Razorwing.

[darthken]

you'd have thought it'd be a fighter/bomber kit

[Emerald Rose Widow]

idk, for some reason i had thought it would be a dedicated transport with weapons, basically like a stormraven for dark eldar, which would be fitting from what i see of their playstyle

[DrLove42]

idk, for some reason i had thought it would be a dedicated transport with weapons, basically like a stormraven for dark eldar, which would be fitting from what i see of their playstyle

You mean...like a raider? :P

[GrenAcid]

I belive he had thoughts about something more like Vampire Hunter(that eldar orbital lander big thing).

[Emerald Rose Widow]

I belive he had thoughts about something more like Vampire Hunter(that eldar orbital lander big thing).

she, and yes that is exactly what i was thinking

[eldargal]

It was going to be a combined kit, but it ran into problems apparently. So they decided to split it like the Raider/Ravager. Also the voidraven is supposed to be bigger so I would imagine GW felt it silly to have a heap of exta sprues people would be paying for without using if they just made a razorwing.

[GrenAcid]

she, and yes that is exactly what i was thinking

http://www.apologycards.com/Iamsorry.htm;););)

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Maelstrom have the Razorwing up for pre-order. I ordered one last night.

[eldargal]

A new picture of Monsieur Razorwing:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110483&d=1305500960

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

Pants just exploded again.

[Cyberscape7]

Remember the days, when 40k players use to scoff the Dark eldar players for having a pretty crappy model range... Neither do I now:)

[GrenAcid]

Remember the days, when 40k players use to scoff the Dark eldar players for having a pretty crappy model range... Neither do I now:)

Now I hear only sweet screams of envy.

[DrLove42]

Now I hear only sweet screams of envy.

"Now I need to work out how to put a Talos in my Necron army"
"Those raiders will make nice chimeras"
"This archon is a Chapter Master in new experiemental armour"
"Nobs bikers can have stabby jetbikes right?"
"The flier shouldn't be too difficult to convert to a supersonic Valkyrie"

4 of these genuine quotes i've seen on this forum since the DE line came out...one is made up...have a guess!

[Billyjoeray]

I was a little skeptical/disappointed as far as the razorwing went, but that second picture is WAY more flattering and makes it look SO much better. The same thing happened with the Stormraven when it first came out. They really need to get a photographer that doesn't make the fliers look blocky and crappy in their promo pics.

[Defenestratus]

I was a little skeptical/disappointed as far as the razorwing went, but that second picture is WAY more flattering and makes it look SO much better. The same thing happened with the Stormraven when it first came out. They really need to get a photographer that doesn't make the fliers look blocky and crappy in their promo pics.

I donno that tailfin is way too big IMO. Kind of like the SR's top turret.

[isotope99]

"Now I need to work out how to put a Talos in my Necron army"
"Those raiders will make nice chimeras"
"This archon is a Chapter Master in new experiemental armour"
"Nobs bikers can have stabby jetbikes right?"
"The flier shouldn't be too difficult to convert to a supersonic Valkyrie"

4 of these genuine quotes i've seen on this forum since the DE line came out...one is made up...have a guess!


The Talos would make a good tomb spyder, maybe combine it with the ork dread faceplate.

I think you could make some good tallarn chimeras with raiders as dune skimmers, but they're so obvously open topped it's a bit tricky.

I'm going with the archon as the fake quote?

Orks can loot anything, nuff said.

The problem is transport capacity doesn't make sense on the razorwing - valkyrie. I am thinking of using one as a Tau hammerhead for a future project though ;)

[GrenAcid]

Im puting my bet on archon.

I havent seen anyone talking about this but what do you think about DE battleforce?? for me its nice deal.

[DrLove42]

Unfortunalty the one I made up on the fly was the Orks Jetbikes one...

Saw a picture of an archon with shoulder pads carrying a bolt pistol and power sword with a barer marine head on one of the random blogs on the BoLS front page...can't remember where now

The battleforce is a nice box, but its only a £10 pound saving, and only contains older models. I don't get why it wasn't released when the models were originally released back in November if its not gonna contain any shiny new models

Also gonna repost this from the Finecast thread...feel it'd be more at home here


It is a rubbish picture but someone spotted this at a GW in Germany:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110505&d=1305568037

It is one of the Fine Cast models and appears to depict either the Decapitator or a Haemonculi, it could also indicate that the Fine Cast range may include new sculpts.

I hope its a hemoculi (cos damn it i need one that isn't the old prune heads on direct order), and not the decap itator, cos it looks too energetic for him

[GrenAcid]

There is new battleforce box:

http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/55396104?access_key=key-1hmlw8mdvfbdz4593q8t
Pic inside, somewhere.

Haemonculi on 80%

[eldargal]

Haemonculus:
http://rothimmel.astheleafsfelldown.de/warhammer/haemo.jpg

[isotope99]

The pose is a little static for my liking. I like the puzzle box thingy though

[eldargal]

Well given the Rakarth sculpt it I doubt poseability would be much of a problem. I have to say its not my favourite model, but then I've never liked Haemonculi.

[Dominic]

Don't know whether any of you guys know this, but I just saw this on the GW blog; its not much, but does confirm the razorwing


Still the painting bug is strong. I've already started to make room for a Razorwing Jetfighter in my force; those things are just too cool, and make for a great centrepiece. Hopefully I'll be back to show off the next batch sooner rather than later!

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/blogPost.jsp?aId=16500007a

[ChaosLord127]

I <3 the Talos :)

Venom is a little boring, I think, but will definately include a couple, perhaps for my Incubi/Archon

Nice to see the Haemonculus, but I do agree that it needs a repose... I always liked to imagine them in a hunched Igor type stance, like the Urien sketch in the codex :P

So now it seems that all the army is missing are the wracks, grotesques, archon court, and void raven as far as normal units go

So many models, so little $ :'(

[DrLove42]

INteresting thing for me about the hemon...is he has art behind him.

Now that might not sound significant, but it means he comes in a box, not a blister. Is it him alone or as a set, like the Frseer and Warlocks box?

As for the model...i think i like it, but it better be easy to customise, cos at present hes not got a loadout i'd use (i'm guessing flesh gauntlet, stinger pisto, a cc weapon and whatever the box is (casket of flensing perhaps?)

[isotope99]

INteresting thing for me about the hemon...is he has art behind him.

Now that might not sound significant, but it means he comes in a box, not a blister. Is it him alone or as a set, like the Frseer and Warlocks box?

As for the model...i think i like it, but it better be easy to customise, cos at present hes not got a loadout i'd use (i'm guessing flesh gauntlet, stinger pisto, a cc weapon and whatever the box is (casket of flensing perhaps?)

Pretty sure it's a liquifier gun, see the new Talos model.

I think this is a photo from a GW store poster so the art could just be for that rather than a box cover.

[damarine]

The Razorwing:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=110112&d=1305119132

Loving that Razorwing - Even as a SM player :)

[Anggul]

Staff member at local GW said Voidraven soon. I have absolutely no idea how reliable this is, but it's something.

[TheCastigator]

http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Da22fvxzd3s/Tdl2q2ykjBI/AAAAAAAABtw/E7PmMHIJoug/s1600/22590720927028577921715.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sj97apXAayc/Tdl2yZPtGLI/AAAAAAAABt0/-HCDWx7ZDRk/s1600/24956920927026244588615.jpg

These are amongst the "classified" finecast models.

[TheCastigator]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Da22fvxzd3s/Tdl2q2ykjBI/AAAAAAAABtw/E7PmMHIJoug/s1600/22590720927028577921715.jpg

[eldargal]

I quite like them.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

I quite like them.

Agreed... But how come everthing looks like it's dainty (the way the Wracks have there legs right next to each other, they dont even look like they are walking :L) and the Grotesques all look the same? Like they are the all the same model with no Variation?

[eldargal]

A far as I can tell there seems to be only two Grotesque sculpts and three Wrack sculpts with a few more variations of arms and such amongst the wracks,

[fuzzbuket]

sadly im honestly not a fan.... the mask things and design are too 'comic-booky' and not enogh 'we got bored so we flayed your skin and tied 3 extra arms on your back'

personaly the parts that i hate are the masks and the wraks lycra trousers.... really we know the DE are all nasty and taht but lycra trousers are waaay too obvious. (and the wraks un-eldary mutant metal arm)

-fuzz

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Da22fvxzd3s/Tdl2q2ykjBI/AAAAAAAABtw/E7PmMHIJoug/s1600/22590720927028577921715.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sj97apXAayc/Tdl2yZPtGLI/AAAAAAAABt0/-HCDWx7ZDRk/s1600/24956920927026244588615.jpg

These are amongst the "classified" finecast models.

My pants just exploded.

[energongoodie]

Great models again.
A fully painted up Dark eldar army is gonna look fantastic on the table top. Well done GW.

EDIT:
Looked at the photos again. Wracks are really good and I like them. Grotesques are weird looking. That kind of pigeon step walking pose is a bit bobbins. I'd like to know who sculpted them cause I don't think it was the same person as the other DE stuff.

[DrLove42]

I like em both.

The wracks are brilliant, as are the Grotesques.

I agree the only 1 pose for Grotesques is annoying, but look at Wraithguard...theres 3 poses, but you need to look really hard to see the diffeence

[eldargal]

Not to mention that being in resin makes them fairly easy to convert.

[Ghoulio]

Not to mention that being in resin makes them fairly easy to convert.

The only problem is the base model for the Grotesque. The fact that they are only in a single pose, and it's such a silly pose at that 100% RUINS what could be a beautiful model. If you look at all the details and the style of the model everything is there. What they should of done is just base the pose off of the artwork in the codex where he has both feet firmly planted chopping an ork nob in half. The pose though...ugh...and the fact that there is only one pose (so far of this range this model reminds me the most to a throw back to the Gary Morely, 3rd ed DE) is so painful, especially since it was the ONE unit I have been waiting for since the codex came out. Hopefully there is something I am missing, but seeing as there are 3 models in the picture, I am guessing not. Can't win them all i guess lol.

[energongoodie]

What they should of done is just base the pose off of the artwork in the codex where he has both feet firmly planted chopping an ork nob in half.

Totally agree.
The more I look at them, the more horrible images of the Nagash model fly through my mind. Not that they look alike but the 'what were they thinking' is identical.
1175

[Anggul]

They look great, but I don't know what GW were thinking when they didn't make Wracks a plastic kit. People are going to be running them as troops or not at all, they'll be far too expensive for a few 10-man squads.

[GrenAcid]

They look great, but I don't know what GW were thinking when they didn't make Wracks a plastic kit. People are going to be running them as troops or not at all, they'll be far too expensive for a few 10-man squads.

Maybe afther another 12 years we`ll gonna se plastic wracks, but I agree this sucks.
Im not a fan of grotesques, I`ll be a fool but still have hope its not all....afther talos they seems so dull and ugly.

[MaltonNecromancer]

Lovely, lovely sculpts...

BUT!

Finecast?

Not plastic?

Oh frak you Games Workshop, frak you. First Dobby dies, and now this?! Seriously, every lame fantasy army gets it's models in plastic while 40K has to put up with


ONE SINGLE, UNPOSABLE SCULPT?!! SO I'M BASICALLY GOING TO HAVE TO GREENSTUFF EVERYTHING MYSELF?!! I ALREADY HAD TO DO THAT FOR MY OGRYNS AND IT WAS A PAIN IN THE HOLE THE FIRST TIME!!!

Whoever made this move needs to be tinkled on by kittens.

One single sculpt? Un-frakking-believable. :mad:

[Wolf Brother Hellstrom]

not impressed by the models or their rules. I will not be fielding them in my DE army. after all the amazing models they have put out for DE i am surprised at these. looks like they rushed the grotesqes and wracks becuase of how popular DE is now

[Prodigalson]

I quite like the wracks. If I have some time I'll try to replace my old ones with those for Wargames Con if they come out with the fighter (the 18th?). On the other hand, if not I'll do it after I get back.

The grotesques I don't like a lot. On the flip side, you will rarely need a larger unit then 4 of them. I'm strongly tempted to just purchase some Talos extra heads and convert rat ogres though. I do not like the stance they are in, and their appear to only be one of them.

HOWEVER, this is a pictures of a single picture and this is probably the very reason that Games Workshop hates leaks so much. Now everyone has formed their opinion of the grotesques from one pictures where they are in the background.

Still, as they are finecast they should be MUCH easier to modify and convert. I'll probably pick up a single unit at some point.

[FTE-Charge!!!]

Well hello static pose.

The Grotesques and their similar poses looks horrible; i thought we left that effect ages ago when we got more than one metal model pose per unit??

Other than that they'll do

[Thornblood]

The Flyers look beautiful. You can really see the Venom and Raider bits on it.

However the grotesqus are a bit of a let down for me because they are essentially these;

http://i914.photobucket.com/albums/ac348/RackhamMiniatures/Alchemists%20of%20Dirz/DirzHalberdiers.jpg

With liquefier guns and the wych/reaver helmets on them.

[DrLove42]

Whats with all the hate for the "static pose". It suits these tortured souls more, and outside of the DE line most models are static.

And the "one pose" as well. The problem is the rest of the DE line has spoilt us. Once you see it from different angles i'm sure it'll look good. The amount of conversion from bits that can be applied from other kits will be great. Don't judge them from one grainy photo at one bad angle.

And the models haven't been rushed...these guys have been designed on/off for 12 years!

[thecactusman17]

Doc, those poses aren't just static, they are boring. Great detail on a boring model means a lit of worl went into a bad model that will have to be fixed to look good.

[MightyOrang]

Agreed ... this is pretty FAIL for GW, given the versatility that's available in the Rat Ogre boxed set.

As to the Wracks ... Empire Flagellants + bits and bobs from the Eldar Sprues = counts as.

Finecast works if there are actual variants on the models, but these Wracks are clearly all the same body with different arms -- pretty poor when set against the variety in the Mandrakes and Incubi boxes.

The good news for all of us, however, is that these are to infantry conversions what vehicles are to Ork conversions: Carte blanche.

[DrLove42]

pretty poor when set against the variety in the Mandrakes and Incubi boxes.

Variation? The mandrakes box is 2 & 2 & 1 body set, which are basically identical except for the legs being slightly different

Same goes for the Incubi...there is only 3 bodys, the only difference is slight difference in cloth direction and different numbers of armour plates.

The wracks I can see at least 3 different legs sets and 3 different Torsos

[Droma]

Not a single one of those wracks is identical. I counted at least 3 different legs/torsos plus different heads/things sticking out their backs/arms poses/weapons being carried. The poses aren't super dynamic but they are very clearly not just the same thing over and over.

The Grotesques are all different as well. The poses aren't the greatest but these are still some pretty solid models when compared to your average GW release. Are they as good as the rest of the DE range? Not really but they are still damn fine models.

[GrenAcid]

Afther much more looking on, I can say it honestly: I LOVE THOSE WRACKS their "static" pose siuts them, they are bit "slower" than wyches but what you expect from modificated creations of Haemonculus?? Nice contrast to fast&furious DE.

[Dunadan]

Both look fantastic, but I'm hesitant to complain about the Grotesques posing just yet. For one, there may be other poses, or the torso might be separate from the legs. Remember, these guys were designed with resin in mind, and I suspect that finecast models sculpted for finecast will have a lot more posability than those converted over from metal. Furthermore, GW has done some terrible photo shoots before; I disliked the Storm Raven and Dreadknight until two days ago, when I saw the models in person.

[whitewolfmxc]

http://http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Da22fvxzd3s/Tdl2q2ykjBI/AAAAAAAABtw/E7PmMHIJoug/s1600/22590720927028577921715.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Sj97apXAayc/Tdl2yZPtGLI/AAAAAAAABt0/-HCDWx7ZDRk/s1600/24956920927026244588615.jpg

These are amongst the "classified" finecast models.

EXCUSE ME , SILENT HILL the MOVIE MUCH ?

oh gee if this was another company trying to rip off some other designs im prob they would get a C&D letter , oh Wait they didnt rip if off GW so thier fine , fair much GW ?

Also putting up with single post models is a pain in the butt lol good job once again GW , i think the model needs to come with a tube of lube so we can receive it how you want it

[Gir]

EXCUSE ME , SILENT HILL the MOVIE MUCH ?

oh gee if this was another company trying to rip off some other designs im prob they would get a C&D letter , oh Wait they didnt rip if off GW so thier fine , fair much GW ?

Also putting up with single post models is a pain in the butt lol good job once again GW , i think the model needs to come with a tube of lube so we can receive it how you want it

Seriously, are you 12 or something?

[Droma]

Seriously, are you 12 or something?

More likely 37 posting from his telemarketing job.

[Corvus-Master-of-The-4th]

Seriously, are you 12 or something?

12 year olds have more respect...

[Anggul]

I really like the Wracks, they're brilliant, I'm just rather annoyed and also confused that they aren't a plastic kit.

The Grotesques, on the other hand, look great but the posing of their legs is ridiculous. It doesn't suit them at all, they're walking a bit like the Forge World Avatar of Khaine.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

The pre-orders are up for the next wave:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat440160a&rootCatGameStyle=

[eldargal]

I say, the wracks are much, much nicer than I thought they would be, I'm surprised how much I like them. I'm going to have to buy two boxes now.

The Haymonkeyless also, not as bad as I thought it would be from the rubbishy little pictures, if I can change the position of the arms I think it will be lovely.

The Grotesque is nice, pity there is only one. Maybe they will release a few more over time.

The Razorwing is really outstanding, but we already knew that.

[DrLove42]

The Hemon only comes with 4 components...suggesting virtually Zip in turns of customisation

So say you don't want the Flesh gauntlet....the bottom pair of arms look exchangable with the rest of the line, not sure top pair will be as easy

What to use for crucible of malediction? Or Shattershard? Or the Hexrifle? (Edit OK so Wracks come with a hexrifle...not sure how its gonna look on a hemonculus though)

The grotesque is 9 components, including 2 heads. Now assuming head x 2, torso, legs (maybe times 2) that would leave plenty of weapon options on the hands

Wracks are wonderful (love the helemt that has a little helemt attatched for the wracks 2nd smaller head), as is the Razorwing

Argh....time to make another £100+ order...damn you GW!

EDIT - £150.50 to be precise...2 of everything, cept Grotesques, where you need 3 anyway!

[BigGrim]

The Razorwing looks the dogs danglies. Hey GW! Make me a Nightwing next please?:D