ForgeWorld Open Day

[eldargal]

Right, if you are at, going to, or coming back from the ForgeWorld Open Day, post your news, rumours and whatnot here so those unfortunate enough not to go can live vicariously through you and pretend we went to our friends.

Its only been open half an hour or so, hopefully we will get people posting during their luncheon.

[eldargal]

From the newly de-virused Warseer:

IA11 full Corsair army list think CA Eldar with access to DE vehicles. Several craftworlds involved Wraithseer is 175pts IIRC. BRAN Redmaw's company for the SW no SW models on show I've seen. Some great SW artwork in there. Scenarios for all the major battles in the campaign as we'll as Apocalypse formations including a very hacked off Avatar in one .

Models more pre heresy stuff. Jump packs. Pistol/CCW arms more heavy weapons. Eldar special weapons team the Wraithseer and Phantom we've seen but both are beautiful models. Astral Claw and Salamander power armour resin pads. Haywire cannon for DE Raider and a twin hull DE Raider
concept.

PhilB



I like the sound of the twin hulled Raider. Multiple Craftworlds sounds interesting too.

[eldargal]

Phatom maybe a steep points wise. Phantom pulsar is nice though. Warlock confirmed. Will be entire model likely rather than upgrade kit. No SW models started yet. They may be limited to characters and pads by the sound of it. Corsairs list is great. Solitaire is included! All corsairs seem to be jet pack so the 'wings' are staying. Shadow spectres have a Phoenix lord.

Solitaire is nifty, whole new Warlock titan huzzah!

Some pictures:
http://twitpic.com/4ghalz

[Gotthammer]

Any word on a release date for the Phantom?

The twin hulled raider sounds interesting.

[eldargal]

Wraithseer is a spiritseer, thankfully.

IA11 and Phantom titan due in September

[MC Tic Tac]

Only thing I remember for IA11 is that the Space Wolves are Bran Redmaw's great company.

Bran has 2 Profiles one as a Marine and one for when he goes all Wulfen on your *** - if you roll a 4 or less at the start of the SW turn.

Because of this the only unit type he can join is Fenrsian Wolf packs.

Oh and all Grey Hunters in his army may infiltrate and "Behind Enemy Lines" just like wolf Scouts.

[isotope99]

Not sure I can respect a character named after a breakfast cereal.

[eldargal]

Pictures courtesy of philbrad2, shamelessly half-inched by me:

Salamander pads
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108387&d=1301838828

LR with Astral Claws doors:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108388&d=1301838828

DE Haywire Cannon raider:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108389&d=1301838828

DE twin hulled raider mock up:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108390&d=1301838828

[eldargal]

IG Crassus tracked bunker:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108391&d=1301839309

The Phantom titan, I want to get my hands on his pulsar so badly:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108392&d=1301839309

Wraithseer:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108393&d=1301839309

Eldar corsair special weapons:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108394&d=1301839309

[eldargal]

More Phantom:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108403&d=1301840041

Look at the size of it:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108403&d=1301840041

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108404&d=1301840041

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108406&d=1301840041

[Monkey Tom]

I'm loving the Phantom Titan.

And the twin-hulled Dark Eldar Raider is just stunning. Such a nice little kit. Looking forward to seeing it in the flesh.

Not so happy about the Salamander shoulder pads, they look too nice, I'm ging to have to tear all the current ones of my Salamanders and replace them now! He-he!

[Mr.Pickelz]

i love that wraithlord with the spear, it looks sweet:D

Is that another wraithlord with a spear and a cannon strapped to his back? It says Eldar corsairs under neath him. about 7 pics from the top.

Edit: i see now that it's called the Wraithseer, i do wonder now, if it's going to be possible to build a wraith-guard/lord army?

[SotonShades]

Despite making a big fuss about remembering to take my camera, I barely bothered to take photos :( something about working over 40 hours in the previous 3 days... Still a lot of fun though, and a pint of Troll Brew at lunch helped my shutter button finger a little.

Newho, I'll try and go with pics that aren't too similar to the others all ready here;

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/198426_690637083452_286105536_9654904_180246_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/208137_690637213192_286105536_9654907_3262094_n.jp g

Painted Crassus and interior detail. I didn't see any rules for this beast of a kit, but I'd expect it to be like the Gorgon or Trojan, more for modelling purposes and fluffy players than any use in competitive game play.

http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/199311_690637737142_286105536_9654921_3792251_n.jp g

I loved the high gloss finish on this phantom, apparently achieved by gloss varnishing the model before painting it to give the model an ultra smooth finish (also using car paints and more gloss varnish later on, but that is less surprising)



I've got a few more pics, but mostly of models all ready covered. Also got a chance to feel up the new board section/bunker. It is unbelievably light, and made of a yellow resin which I haven't seen FW use before (except possibly on some Aeronautica Imperialis models. There are some fantastic details on it that don't show too well on any of the pics I've seen (including my own) and a few bits that seem to be compatible with the Planetstrike scenery kits.

[greenstuff777]

Any space sharks..../:

[DrLove42]

No new Space Sharks....there time is done

Now I'm home I'm just gonna regurgitate everything i remember....

Phantom Titan

WS 3, BS 4, 12/12/11 Init 2, Attacks 3

8 Structure Points

Don't expect it on sale till Gamesday (which is September here in Blighty).
Comes in at a hefty 2300 points. Features the Cobra cannon, the pulsar (which is 3 shots), the starcannon (3 shots instead of 2), which can be swapped for a pulse laser for free. Also has missile battery (S8 AP3 4 shots) and a AA mounted missile battery (S5 AP5 AA Mount). Usual 4+ invuln if it moved, but can chose to turn driver stunned into gunner stunned, so should only stop moving if it gets immobilised. Has the usual rules for fleeting titans as well, and weapons have a 12" minimum range. Only current other weapon is the sword seen previously. Will hasn't finished making it yet, but the sword comes with a 2nd twin linked starcannon built in. He also hasn't ruled out expanding the line of guns

The lady with the rule book (who i'm sure is an important person, i just don't know her name) said the reaction today towards the rules was mixed, so might be changing. (Personally I'm in the mind they are a little too expensive. 2000 points seems a better point...that fleeting instead of shooting rule is overated IMO)

As for magnetising and weapon swapping, the "torso" component comes with the body, the arm, the elbox joint and the hand. The "Gun" comes attatched to the forearm. So either can be magnetised at both ends, or drill through the arm and have a massive pin/rod from elbow to hand

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/IMG00355-20110403-1406.jpg

So those of you wondering this phantom, stood wide legged and stationairy is 24 inches exactly from bottom of base, to top of vanes

Warlock Titan

Will Hayes wants this. And it will happen. But probably not till the next FW Eldar book (his words) so means we get another Eldar book! it'll be the same size as a phantom, but more ornate, with more wraithbone extrusions. He joked about having the psycannon mounted on the side of the arm, so both hands were free for a giant spear

IA11

Few months off yet, still finalising the fluff at the beginning. Focuses on Eldar, with some guard and a tiny smidge of Wolves. All eldar models ever made have rules in it, so no need to carry multiple books.

Also the big one...not all models in the books will have models. I asked if there were rules for any models we hadn't seen yet ( a sneaky way of asking if there were more kits for us to see yet). The reply was "Yes, a few more. Also some will have rules that were aren't planning on producing" The Phoenix lord of the spectres was then gestured to. So maybe not getting a model yet?

Artwork is amazing. The pictures of the eldar squadrons stalking through the tundra, with the nights sky are simply astonishing

Shadow spectres get Phoenix Lord, didn't read the stats

Corsairs get Allied DE with craftworlds, and a few new unique units and HQ choices

Solitaire is one of those new HQ. Doesn't make quins troops, is a 0-1 no matter how big the army, not an IC and can carry a vortex grenade in Apoc for 75pts

Apoc data sheets, including one which is a 550pt Avatar, has 2D6 wounds, a 2+ armour save and his wailing doom is upgraded to a Strength D 10" template. However hes still a monstrous creature, not a gargant. He's important in the story as its the avatars last stand so he goes out in a literal blaze of glory. So at the end of the game he takes D6 wounds with no saves of any kind allowed

Phantom Titans rules are above

The Wraithseer is a HQ wraithlord, his physic powers include one which force an enemy unit to take a moral check at -1 or fall back immediatly. Another gives one wraithlord or wraithguard near him fleet (!). And the other, if a friendly wriath unit within 6" dies roll a D6. On a 6 its still alive, with one wound left. It also has a 4+ invulnerable

IA12

Dark Eldar

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/IMG00356-20110403-1439.jpg

Initial Production and Evaluation on bits has begun. The model on show (with the double hull) is likely to be a light super heavy. I mentioned my theory that DE superheavies would look like Jabbas sail palace from Return of the Jedi he laughed and said they probably would...

Lots of concept art for DE skimmers, one of which was a super charged Ravager, that had 2 floors, each with 3 Dark Lances on both sides

Modular Boards

With the first Fw board expansion available (its very nice) someone said they were looking at expanding a lot more now they've got the technology down, with buildings, ammo dumps, train lines and trench systems forthcoming

Can't think of any more at present but if i remember anymore I'll add it!

[stepee]

Got any images of the unpainted game board piece?

[Greatereldanesh]

Better yet, any images of the DE concepts! I'm already planning the build for the double hull raider! AWESOME stuff keep it coming!

[Sister Rosette Soulknyt]

Any idea if Forgeworld are making the miniature for Captian Pallas Mir'san of the Salamanders??

[eldargal]

I've only seen mention of Salamander shoulder pads, no characters.


As for DE concepts,all we have is:
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108440&d=1301852499
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108441&d=1301852516
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108442&d=1301852527
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108443&d=1301852542
http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=108444&d=1301852635

[Defenestratus]

Apoc data sheets, including one which is a 550pt Avatar, has 2D6 wounds, a 2+ armour save and his wailing doom is upgraded to a Strength D 10" template. However hes still a monstrous creature, not a gargant. He's important in the story as its the avatars last stand so he goes out in a literal blaze of glory. So at the end of the game he takes D6 wounds with no saves of any kind allowed

For 550pts, he'd better have eternal warrior or else 15D6 wounds isn't going to make a hell of a difference!


that fleeting instead of shooting rule is overated IMO

Funny you say that. The ONLY time I have ever used that rule was when I wanted my titan to NOT be able to shoot because my opponent had that strategem that let him control shooting of one of my models.

He couldn't use it on myself if it couldn't shoot in the first place! :P

[DrLove42]

For 550pts, he'd better have eternal warrior or else 15D6 wounds isn't going to make a hell of a difference!


The Avatars a Demon, even in the codex. Ergo hes immune to Instant death! Also means hes a little scared of GK's now...

[eldargal]

Unfortunately not, only Daemons in the Daemon codex get eternal warrior, for an Avatar they need to be in that Apocalypse formation. Having said that, hopefully this new formation will give them Eternal Warrior as well. Otherwise, as Defenstratus says, its rather useless.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next Codex: Eldar doesn't give the Avatar EW. In fact it damn well ought to, if every itty bitty Chaos daemon gets it, then a fragment of a God really should.

[Defenestratus]

Unfortunately not, only Daemons in the Daemon codex get eternal warrior, for an Avatar they need to be in that Apocalypse formation. Having said that, hopefully this new formation will give them Eternal Warrior as well. Otherwise, as Defenstratus says, its rather useless.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the next Codex: Eldar doesn't give the Avatar EW. In fact it damn well ought to, if every itty bitty Chaos daemon gets it, then a fragment of a God really should.

Another thing that I've found mentally disabled regarding the "new" avatar (which is what I refer to as the 3ed and latter version, aka the horrible crappy version) is that his weapon can shoot a str 8 lightning bolt of death magic but in close combat, he just gets a case of cosmic-semi-divine polio and is back down to Str 6.

[eldargal]

Well, god forbid he instant kill Marines in close combat.:rolleyes:

[TSINI]

most of my pics are similar to those already shown,

I can however tell any guard fans that the Crassus was a vehicle designed under the brief "a large armoured transport able to transport an entire Imperial Guard platoon (25 men)"

Although my platoons tend to consist of 57 men, which even a gorgon won't carry... :(

[Kawauso]

Another thing that I've found mentally disabled regarding the "new" avatar (which is what I refer to as the 3ed and latter version, aka the horrible crappy version) is that his weapon can shoot a str 8 lightning bolt of death magic but in close combat, he just gets a case of cosmic-semi-divine polio and is back down to Str 6.

Regardless of what would make the unit better in your army, how does that not make sense?

That's like saying a model holding a meltagun should get a S8 attack in close combat (he can fire it point-blank after all).

[harrybuttwhisker]

got my photos and guff up on my blog, just follow the link in my sig.

TTFN

[Forever_Bunny]

So are the Salamander shoulder pads coming out this year or are they coming soon-ish. It would figure that something like this comes out right when I am finished my 3000 Salamander army...LOL

[harrybuttwhisker]

Pretty much everything that was on show seemed like it would be out by the beginning of September going off what the studio guys said, a lot will be sooner. The late stuff will be things like the dark eldar catamaran and the chaos dwarf stuff as well as the vermin lord.

[eldargal]

A melta-gun isn't a sword/ spear.


Regardless of what would make the unit better in your army, how does that not make sense?

That's like saying a model holding a meltagun should get a S8 attack in close combat (he can fire it point-blank after all).

[scadugenga]

Another thing that I've found mentally disabled regarding the "new" avatar (which is what I refer to as the 3ed and latter version, aka the horrible crappy version) is that his weapon can shoot a str 8 lightning bolt of death magic but in close combat, he just gets a case of cosmic-semi-divine polio and is back down to Str 6.

Let's be fair--the original RT version with the random stats pretty much sucked monkeybutt too.

2nd ed Avatar was where it was at. :)

[Bitrider]

Well, god forbid he instant kill Marines in close combat.:rolleyes:

Bahahahahahaha.....and /signed.

[Vaktathi]

Are people forgetting that almost all MC's are heavily nerfed next to their 2E counterparts? We don't have 10W carnifex's needing 20 wounds inflicted to prevent them from regenerating and getting back up and saving on a 3+ with 2d6 anymore either, or T8 Bloodthirsters with 10 attacks, etc. That sort of thing isn't isolated to the Eldar, who, lets also be honest, were more than a wee bit broken in 2E.

[Kawauso]

A melta-gun isn't a sword/ spear.

Of course not, but he's hardly using the edge of his blade for a ranged attack, right? He's casting magic out of it. In close combat, he's hitting you with it. Not the same thing.

[eldargal]

The problem isn't relative power compared to 2nd edition, but relative power compared to other choices. The Avatar is a shard of a God, equal in power to a greater daemon (in the fluf equal in power to whole armies almost) yet unlike your garden variety daemonette, nurgling or whatever can be instant killed by any twonk with an instant kill weapon.

[Connjurus]

The problem isn't relative power compared to 2nd edition, but relative power compared to other choices. The Avatar is a shard of a God, equal in power to a greater daemon (in the fluf equal in power to whole armies almost) yet unlike your garden variety daemonette, nurgling or whatever can be instant killed by any twonk with an instant kill weapon.

Well, as you pointed out to me in a different thread, the Eldar Gods were not the same as the Chaos Gods - and, seeing as how they were defeated by the weakest of the Chaos Gods on the day of its birth pretty much, evidently weaker as well.

[eldargal]

Slaanesh isn't the weakest, just the subtlest (in a different way to Tzeentch), She is about seduction not cutting a chap in half with a muscle clad homo-erotic nutjob. Also Khaine was shattered fighting off Khorne AND Slaanesh at the same time.

Fact is the game has changed a lot since 4th ed, a lot more instant death stuff and a 4++ isn't as rare as it was. The Avatar needs a boost, and will no doubt get it in the next codex.

[meleemadness]

Wow!! Thanks for all the goodness!

[Connjurus]

Slaanesh isn't the weakest, just the subtlest (in a different way to Tzeentch), She is about seduction not cutting a chap in half with a muscle clad homo-erotic nutjob. Also Khaine was shattered fighting off Khorne AND Slaanesh at the same time.

Fact is the game has changed a lot since 4th ed, a lot more instant death stuff and a 4++ isn't as rare as it was. The Avatar needs a boost, and will no doubt get it in the next codex.

All the fluff I've ever read in Fantasy or 40k points to Slaanesh being the weakest of the Four Chaos Gods - not strong enough for a direct confrontation with one of his brothers, but still with enough influence to tip the scales in the great game.

[DrLove42]

not strong enough for a direct confrontation with one of his brothers, but still with enough influence to tip the scales in the great game.

I'm sorry but go up to most players (in both Fantasy and 40K and say exactly those words and ask which god springs to mind first and people will 9/10 probably say Tzeentch.

[Defenestratus]

2nd ed Avatar was where it was at. :)

Something that we can agree on. I remember my Avatar taking on two greater daemons at the same time and walking away like he was shopping for oranges.

[Connjurus]

I'm sorry but go up to most players (in both Fantasy and 40K and say exactly those words and ask which god springs to mind first and people will 9/10 probably say Tzeentch.

In terms of sheer power, Tzeentch is the second most powerful. In terms of influence, he is the most powerful. Technically, he should be the most powerful, but Khorne is the most popular god in 40k...but the essence of Chaos itself is Change and Volatility, and Tzeentch encompasses those both in whole, and he feeds on Hope, and anything that strives, dreams, or thinks can feel hope.

He's also the only God that can convince his brothers to put aside their differences and work towards Chaos Undivided, hence me saying he's the most powerful in terms of influence over his brother-gods.

Hell, if you go read the Daemon codex, it even tells you how he was once so powerful it took all three of his brothers teaming up just to destroy his staff, into which he had put most of his power, and it brought him down to their level. It didn't make him the weakest, or destroy him. It just leveled the playing field.

[Kawauso]

Sorry to continue the off-topic trend of this thread, but I wish Tzeentch got more love. :(

Here's hoping that the Tomb Kings release offers some plastic kits which make for interesting conversion possibilities, allowing for a more Tzeentch-y plastic Daemon Prince model.

[DrLove42]

Hey!

My Open Day summary made the BoLs front page

Does this means i'm a reporter now?

[superhappyrobot]

More Phantom:

Look at the size of it:

Cut the chatter, Red 2. Accelerate to attack speed.

[raven1man]

Regardless of what would make the unit better in your army, how does that not make sense?

That's like saying a model holding a meltagun should get a S8 attack in close combat (he can fire it point-blank after all).

It makes sense, but the witchblade being able to cut through tank armor like a hot knife through butter but acts like a rubber spoon to someone in armor doesn't.

On topic: everytime I look at that Phantom I want to buy it more and more.....dam you forgeworld

[eldargal]

Technically I should have said 'Look at the size of that thing'. By which I mean to say, I have no idea what you are referring to, I certainly don't know certain sci-fi films by heart.


Cut the chatter, Red 2. Accelerate to attack speed.


The wailing doom is weapon that projects a nimbus of force 12" at S8 but is incapable of surrounding itself with that same nimbus in close combat, yes that makes sense.:rolleyes:

[blueshift]

responding to the dude pages earlier talking about just finishing 3000 points of salamaders and finding these shoulderpads.... try 7000.

i might go completely insane one day and order an ******* of them, just because the transfers keep falling off, or i get sick of how they look.

i have currently been struggling with deciding whether to go khorne or eldar for apocalypse only army. khorne has lots of very fun war machines that are very nasty... eldar can field pure strength D templates :O
i just don't know what to do.






both?

[Kawauso]

The wailing doom is weapon that projects a nimbus of force 12" at S8 but is incapable of surrounding itself with that same nimbus in close combat, yes that makes sense.:rolleyes:

Again I could use the meltagun example. It's capable of nuking a tank at 12 inches but not an opponent in close combat?

Maybe if it did the Avatar would risk harming itself with said nimbus?

I don't know, to me it seems like you're being way too nit-picky. :P

[Fellend]

I have to agree here. There are thousands of reasons why a shooting weapon/magic/doom would work at range but not in close combat.
It might be as simple as it takes a certain distance for it to focus that much power, like say 1 inch =)
In real life for example if you fire a antitank missile and it hits it taget before 50 meters it's just going to go clonk and fall down, the process that activates the melta beam inside won't have started (yes, tank busters are basically melta missiles)

[Gir]

Or, you know, the game is an abstraction.

[Kawauso]

Wait...40k isn't real life? :confused:

[Gir]

Wait...40k isn't real life? :confused:

I'm sorry :( It's always heart breaking to have to tell people this.

[raven1man]

Again I could use the meltagun example. It's capable of nuking a tank at 12 inches but not an opponent in close combat?

Maybe if it did the Avatar would risk harming itself with said nimbus?

I don't know, to me it seems like you're being way too nit-picky. :P

I would like to know what combat experience you have with using an encumbering 2 handed ranged weapon that when firing in a close group may bring as much harm to your allies as it does to your enemies. I'm pretty sure our US forces don't use grenades launchers in melee combat.

[Gir]

I would like to know what combat experience you have with using an encumbering 2 handed ranged weapon that when firing in a close group may bring as much harm to your allies as it does to your enemies. I'm pretty sure our US forces don't use grenades launchers in melee combat.

I'm also pretty sure US forces don't go out to specifically get into close combat with the enemy.

[Kawauso]

I would like to know what combat experience you have with using an encumbering 2 handed ranged weapon that when firing in a close group may bring as much harm to your allies as it does to your enemies. I'm pretty sure our US forces don't use grenades launchers in melee combat.

The same combat experience that the other side of this argument has casting a nimbus of psychic energy from a sword versus using said blade in close combat, I suppose. :)

(Not trying to be snarky; this is starting to get a little ridiculous, though, I will admit).

[DrLove42]

OK then...new question. A pistol counts as a CC weapon cos its "fired" in CC in addition to a stabby sword. How come the poisoned pistols in the DE line don't wound on that value :P

[eldargal]

The Wailing Doom ranged attack is a melta weapon, and Avatars are immune to melta weapons so it is hardly going to be self presservation, is it? A nimbus is something which surrounds divinities, if it is S8 at 12" it ought to be S8 in melee too. Otherwise it wouldn't be a nimbus, it would be some kind of beam. No, I stand by my original explanation, god forbid Eldar have something which can insta-kill Marines in close combat.

Enough of that though, not the place to discuss why an outdated codex is underpowered.

[Forever_Bunny]

Is it just me or does the new FW Eldar models make you want to start up a Eldar army. I sure do...WOW so pretty.