Eldar Phantom Titan

[Faultie]

As seen here (http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/News/Eldar-Phantom-Titan.html), it will be on sale at the Forge World Open Day.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/FW/phantom-preview.jpg

[DrLove42]

Yep, getting one of those

Missile launchers in the shoulders, star cannon just below that. One hand looks like the Pulsar from the Cobra, the other looks like a supersized brightlance.

Compared to the revenant in the last picture...not only is he huge, be he is nice and different...

Edit - Just read the newsletter. The Phantom Pulsar should be good...being better than a regular pulsar it will be! The missiles are AA mounted, which is nice, and the star cannon can be replaced with a pulse laser...

[Forever_Bunny]

Sooo, pretty... but I would be to afraid to buy it online, just looks like one bump would shatter it into million pieces.

[Brass Scorpion]

These things come in a million pieces, so shipping's not much of an issue. I bought a Revenant a couple years ago when the exchange rate plummeted below $1.50/pound and the only problems with it were the usual warping of the thnner parts, requiring the hot water treatment to straighten them out.

[Defenestratus]

I have to say that I'm emoraging over here.

1) the thing looks EXACTLY like a revenant. Totally the same.
2) the skirt plates are way too small at the waist
3) the guns are undersized
4) the shoulder weapons look like someone took a sponge imprint in the cast
5) IT LOOKS LIKE AN OVERGROWN REVENANT

..
6) Phantoms are supposed to be piloted by triplets.

Man I'm soooooo ****ing pissed!

[fuzzbuket]

MUST BUY 12!!!
i wonder how much it will be?
sexy model!
as the revreanty is about 2/3 of the warhounds price im guessing 350-400 quid!

lol i would pay to paint up one - REverse commisiions! :P

whilst it is just a bigger reverant- thats cause the reverant is good:

warhound: 2 weapons- reverant : 3+jetpack
rever: 3 weapons - phanotm : 3/ (mabey the fists are CCw's?)

anyway i love the model!!!!!!!!!!!

[DrLove42]

The way the newsletter talks of the pilot being a true exarch of his trade, and then linking so perfectly with the spirits on board, suggests maybe being able to ignore driver stunned results...which is the major achilles heel in all Eldar titans right now...

[Lane]

I have to say that I'm emoraging over here.

1) the thing looks EXACTLY like a revenant. Totally the same.
2) the skirt plates are way too small at the waist
3) the guns are undersized
4) the shoulder weapons look like someone took a sponge imprint in the cast
5) IT LOOKS LIKE AN OVERGROWN REVENANT
..
6) Phantoms are supposed to be piloted by triplets.


1) disagree, the torso is not as cool as the revenant.

2) agree

3) gun size is at low end of acceptable

4) missile launchers look OK, need closeup shot to be sure.
Looks like two types of missile launchers, the AA and a larger anti vehicle.
I hope the larger one will be of use vs Void Shields.

5) agreed

6) agreed

This would be a great model if I had never seem a Phantom or the Revenant.

[Kawauso]

So, people think titans and the like are awesome (don't get me wrong, this guy certainly does look awesome :)), but complain that things like Tau battlesuits and the GK dreadknight are 'too anime' or 'too gundam'?

[Lane]

warhound: 2 weapons- reverant : 3+jetpack
rever: 3 weapons - phanotm : 3/ (mabey the fists are CCw's?)


In Epic the Phantom was equivalent of a Warlord

To equal the Reaver it would need the wing weapons to have serious punch for missiles.

[wittdooley]

I sincerely hope I never have to see one of these suffer a Goatboy 7-hour special.

[Defenestratus]

In Epic the Phantom was equivalent of a Warlord

To equal the Reaver it would need the wing weapons to have serious punch for missiles.

Right now, the lords of battle have it at just about the same as a Reaver while costing more points.

Its not nearly as durable as a reaver but it has more dakka.

As for it being the equivalent of a warlord? Haha yeah right. Thats not going to happen. My friend's emperor titan kills my phantom in one round usually.

[DrLove42]

Could have told you a year ago that the Phantom will be equivilent of a Reaver...when they said it at the Open Day last year...in points and pounds.

And theres a reason its not better than a Reaver...the uproar that would come from Imperial guard players if F did something that was better than their stuff?

[JMichael]

Funny, when I first saw the new Revenant design I thought, "that looks just like a mini Phantom".
The phantom design has been around since Rogue Trader and I do really like the Revenant also.

I agree that the hip plates could be a little larger or otherwise more pronounced and the feet bug me a bit, but overall I'm very pleased with the design and I look forward to seeing the rules for the Phantom D-Cannon (more powerful that the Cobra!!)

[BigGrim]

That is absolutely glorious! I'd like one though I do already own an Armorcast one.

[eldargal]

What a magnificient model, absolutely stunning. It looks like a Revenant in the same way a Wraithlord looks like a Revenant.

I'm going to wait until we see the rules before I start whinging about them, but this gives me hope:

Full technical information and background for the Phantom Titan will be provided in Imperial Armour Volume 11: The Doom of Mymeara along with full rules for fielding what is the single most powerful model currently available in Warhammer 40,000.

Inferior to the Reaver, indeed.:rolleyes:

Anyway, I'm getting one. Going to call it Veir'a.

[scadugenga]

While it's definitely similar to a Rev (and the new W-Lord) I still have to say it's amazingly gorgeous.

I want one.

Scratch that, perhaps two.

However, wife, mortgage and infant son will probably nix that idea... ;)

[eldargal]

Start a 'swear jar'. One pound per obscenity and two for each threat of physical violence. Wait two weeks, tell wife you are going to spend six hundred pounds on a giant model Space Elf walking robot. There's your financing solved.

[Defenestratus]

Whereas with the storm raven, the more I saw it, the more I liked it... its the opposite with this one.

The more I see it, the more ill I get with it and become more frustrated with what an opportunity has been wasted.

[eldargal]

I'm the opposite, the more I lookthe more spectacular it becomes. It is easily the most beautiful kit GW have ever produced. But, if you really don't like it, look on the brightside. It is never going to be as bad as this:
http://www.pollywog.com/images/epic/blisters/Eldar%20Phantom%20Titan%20Box.JPG
:p

[scadugenga]

Start a 'swear jar'. One pound per obscenity and two for each threat of physical violence. Wait two weeks, tell wife you are going to spend six hundred pounds on a giant model Space Elf walking robot. There's your financing solved.

That's a nice thought...in theory.

What would then really happen is that she would claim said money and put it into my son's "college fund."

I'd be able to mount some kind of argument about it, if only she weren't so damned cute...and lethal.

Can't forget lethal. :)

Perhaps if I did some contract work on the side...that might do it!

[LostInTheDark]

I'm the opposite, the more I lookthe more spectacular it becomes. It is easily the most beautiful kit GW have ever produced. But, if you really don't like it, look on the brightside. It is never going to be as bad as this:
:p


Haha I had forgotten how bad that model was.

I like the new model, but will reserve judgement till I see somemore pictures. I don't like the Exarch idea as it is just too far from the original Epic concept. Can't wait for the book to final be released so that I can buy some new Eldar toys.

The original Eldar Titan is still one of my favourite models that GW have done.

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251976_99110304027_EPICPhantomMain_224x160.jpg

[Lane]

But, if you really don't like it, look on the brightside. It is never going to be as bad as this:

But that's not really a Phantom Titan. That model was an attempt to dray attention away from the ugliness of the Epic40K version of the Warlord Titan. Instead they had two ugly models, three if you count the Revenant.

[Lordgimpet]

Lol Eldargal why post that pic? took months of therapy to remove its exsistance from my mind :P.

As for the new titan good thing i saved some pennies for it just have to wait for it i suppose.
the only issue i have is that it looks like it wont be able to stand without a base. This may make it problematic to field on some tables, so i my have to still use my Armourcast one in such games.

The other issue seems to be the retcon of eldar lore that seemed to be hinted at in the newsletter i recieved
indicating that this craftworld seemed to be the only one with all this tech and the shadowspecter shrine
but I just wait till IA 11 and see

Another thing fromt their news is in the near future there will be more eldar FW upgrades, for what i'm not sure.
And dark eldar will be getting some FW stuff as hinted here... "Will Hayes, having recently passed the mighty Phantom Titan over to Production, has begun working on slightly smaller Eldar upgrade components in recent days, and Stuart Williamson has turned his attention to Eldar of a slightly darker nature."

[eldargal]

I love the original too, bit sad we don't have a head in that style, not that we know of anyway. I think the exarch thing makes sense to be honest. I always wondered why, if the thing was guided by the spirits of past crew it would need two or three sets of twins as well.

I do wonder what the price will be, we heard comparable to the Reaver so four hunded pounds plus fifty or sixty for each weapon. The Phantom titan uses much less resin, or s I should think, but on the other hand a lot more time went into it.

Too excited for sleep now, drat it.

LordGimpet, only one Shadow Spectre shrine, on Mymaer,a yes. At least until all the other Craftworlds hear about whats happening there and start inviting Spectre exarchs to start temples on their Craftworlds heh. But the Phantom Titan isn't being retconned to be Mymaera only, they are referred to on Alaitoc in Path of the Warrior, for example.
Dark Eldar or Corsairs, its not clear which yet.

[LostInTheDark]

I think the exarch thing makes sense to be honest. I always wondered why, if the thing was guided by the spirits of past crew it would need two or three sets of twins as well.

My main problem with it is what is the Exarch's Aspect? It does open up the nice possibility of an Aspect dedicated to crewing war machines, but if not then how does one become a Phantom pilot Exarch if there is no crew Aspect path to get locked on?

[eldargal]

Well I would assume there is a Path of the Titan Crew, with Revenants being the Aspect equivalent. I'm not quite sure how Warlock titans would work, perhaps a Steersman pilot but occupied bythe Spirits of Farseers.

[scadugenga]

Well I would assume there is a Path of the Titan Crew, with Revenants being the Aspect equivalent. I'm not quite sure how Warlock titans would work, perhaps a Steersman pilot but occupied bythe Spirits of Farseers.

The Path of Vaul?

[Lane]

I think the exarch thing makes sense to be honest. I always wondered why, if the thing was guided by the spirits of past crew it would need two or three sets of twins as well.


It was one set of triplets. IIRC they were the only crew and shared jobs, maybe it could be piloted by one but had redundant crew in case of injury.

[Gir]

I have to say that I'm emoraging over here.

1) the thing looks EXACTLY like a revenant. Totally the same.
2) the skirt plates are way too small at the waist
3) the guns are undersized
4) the shoulder weapons look like someone took a sponge imprint in the cast
5) IT LOOKS LIKE AN OVERGROWN REVENANT

..
6) Phantoms are supposed to be piloted by triplets.

Man I'm soooooo ****ing pissed!

1) Are you sure you're looking at the the comparision picture, and not 2 pictures of a the Revenant? Beaucse they're the same style, but completely different.
2) Looks fine to me, kinda hard to tell with a tiny photo on the internet.
3) The main guns are the size of the Revenant, and acutally look properly scaled to the model (unlike the Revenant's)
4) Too hard to tell with a tiny photo on the internet.
5) IT IS AN OVERGROWN REVENANT.
6) Phantoms are CREWED by triplets, major difference. That being said, currently the only real fluff for the Phantom is from Epic, and guess what: Fluff changes, so you are infact wrong. Phantoms are piloted by a single eldar at any one time.

[fuzzbuket]

I'm the opposite, the more I lookthe more spectacular it becomes. It is easily the most beautiful kit GW have ever produced. But, if you really don't like it, look on the brightside. It is never going to be as bad as this:
http://www.pollywog.com/images/epic/blisters/Eldar%20Phantom%20Titan%20Box.JPG
:p

am i the only one who goes

supreme commander illuminate/cybran = awsome = this?
oh and there is mentiond of smaller eldar paths in the codex such as the path of the artisan?

[Defenestratus]

I'm the opposite, the more I lookthe more spectacular it becomes. It is easily the most beautiful kit GW have ever produced. But, if you really don't like it, look on the brightside. It is never going to be as bad as this:
http://www.pollywog.com/images/epic/blisters/Eldar%20Phantom%20Titan%20Box.JPG
:p

I'd have forked out thousands of dollars for a 40k scale of that.

THAT is impressive.

[eldargal]

Pity it looks more Imperial than Eldar and was so unpopular they discontinued it.:P I scrapped plans for an Epic Eldar army at sight of it.

[Lane]

Fortunately I already had a half dozen Phantoms when that model was released.

[BigGrim]

I'd have forked out thousands of dollars for a 40k scale of that.

THAT is impressive.

Sorry, have to disagree. It's an abomination. Always loved the original (which they still sell after discontinuing said abomination).

I have the Armorcast of the original model and I really want one of these new ones. It's a work of art!

[DrLove42]

Breaking News from FW newsflash! The phantom has a price tag!

The Body is £350 ($578) and each arm weapon is £50 ($83)

This puts it approximatly £100 cheaper overall than a reaver (£50 for the torso, and £50 saving for not having to buy a third weapon...)

Also the wording of the email " while the D-Cannon and Pulsar weapon options will be £50 ($83) each" highly suggests other weapon arms, if not available immediatly, then eventually. Expecting a Titan CCW eventually i'd imagine...

[SotonShades]

We can only hope, afterall Mr Hayes did have that lovely looking mock-up on the sketch model

[eldargal]

That is a very good price, and considerably cheaper than the Reaver which I thought would be the case.

[DrLove42]

It is very good, i was expecting the £600 mark all told...means the rest of the order can be a little bigger now

[scadugenga]

It is very good, i was expecting the £600 mark all told...means the rest of the order can be a little bigger now

So...tasty.

I'm impressed with the price, and that we can preorder it at Adepticon.

Not that I'll be ordering one yet...

[SotonShades]

It is very good, i was expecting the £600 mark all told...means the rest of the order can be a little bigger now

If your oder gets any bigger, I am deffinitely going to have to upgrade my titan from a large warlord to a smallish imperitor!

[Gotthammer]

Yeah, definataley getting one now :D

[JMichael]

The mockup at Gamesday had a very elegant and deadly looking CCW.
me hopes many different weapon options to rain death down among my enemies!

and I'm very happy with the pricing.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=85701&d=1269814893

[Defenestratus]

If your oder gets any bigger, I am deffinitely going to have to upgrade my titan from a large warlord to a smallish imperitor!

Unfortunately my regular apoc opponent had the same idea once I got my Phantom. Except there was nothing "smallish" about his Imperator. Its about 4 and a half feet tall.

[L192837465]

Unfortunately my regular apoc opponent had the same idea once I got my Phantom. Except there was nothing "smallish" about his Imperator. Its about 4 and a half feet tall.

That *IS* pretty small for an Imperator...

[Gir]

That *IS* pretty small for an Imperator...

Considering an Imperator should be around 34-36" it is HUGE.

[SotonShades]

Considering an Imperator should be around 34-36" it is HUGE.

And considering my Warlord is about 48"...

[Gir]

And considering my Warlord is about 48"...

... it's twice as big as it should be according to Apocalypse.

[Tynskel]

The forges on mars must have messed up the scaling...

[Gir]

The forges on mars must have messed up the scaling...

Someone used ' instead of " on the plans.

[Defenestratus]

And considering my Warlord is about 48"...

Shoot I don't want to get into a game of "whose is bigger" but Kyle's is rather large:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_W-OLykJh4lc/TGNlfRlkFxI/AAAAAAAALkQ/q3ukEMWgqj8/s640/warmaster.jpg

Please pardon the gesture by the owner. He was angry that I just killed Abaddon with a guardian squad.

[Uncle Nutsy]

heh.

First thing I thought of when I saw the new Eldar Titan was this: "giant anime robot"

[eldargal]

I don't see anything very anime about it? I hate anime, one reason I dislike the Tau.

[Ghost of War]

Well with that close combat arm.. how are we going to rig magnets on this thing so we can have a gun or the sword? the elbow joint on the sword arm is different than the gun arm.. one is bent, and one is straight..

Argh...

[DrLove42]

Well thats the case in the prototype...might be different in the real thing.

And who knows where the join is? It could be at the shoulder

[Defenestratus]

Ring (in shoulder socket) + sphere magnet (in place of the ball joint).

My friend did it with his FW reaver and I"m pretty sure thats how he did it.

[Archon Charybdis]

You could call it vaguely Eva like, but Eva's are fairly unique in terms of anime mecha. Beyond that, I don't think there's anything particularly anime about it beyond the most general sense of being a giant bi-pedal "robot".

[Rapture]

Not anime? Really?

Toothpick arms and legs, decorative knees and shoulders, pointless pieces of metal jetting off in random directions, ect...

Seems awfully anime to me. Do a Google image search for 'anime robot'. Just below the Gundams you will see a few brothers and sisters of this thing.

That said, I am not a fan of typical anime designs, but this Eldar titan is pretty sharp looking (not literally though, because of all the anime smoothness).

[Lane]

Not anime? Really?

Seems awfully anime to me. Do a Google image search for 'anime robot'. Just below the Gundams you will see a few brothers and sisters of this thing.


Oddly enough most of what you identified as Anime in the design are Clasic Eldar design elements dating back to Adeptus Titanicus/ Epic Space Marine. When the Epic line was created there were a lot fewer Anime and less popular. The slender design with fins and ribs was fairly unusual at the time.

[DrLove42]

Well with that close combat arm.. how are we going to rig magnets on this thing so we can have a gun or the sword? the elbow joint on the sword arm is different than the gun arm.. one is bent, and one is straight..

Argh...

Specifically asked about this...

The arm up the elbox comes in the torso as does the hand.

The gun comes with the forearm attatched.

So can either magnetise the forearm on, and then the hand at the other end. Or have a big pin/pole through the arm from the elbow to hand

[Uncle Nutsy]

I don't see anything very anime about it? I hate anime, one reason I dislike the Tau.

giant robot? pilot inside torso (or head)? gargantuan guns? enough missiles to make a small country jealous?

[eldargal]

Giant robots have been around since the late Victorian period(not literallt, obviously, in fiction), they aren't just an anome thing.

Anyway, Phantom Titan news:


Honestly, do not worry about the phantoms rules. Allan has taken over the rules for the eldar and he has made a lot of changes from the rules that were shown in the book.

Phantom has improved front armour.

The guns are extremely better than what was listed. Longer range, more shots, more damage output for example.

I will also say that ap1 does not stack with str d to give +2 on the damage table I am afraid. Allan faq'd this with the only other model to have such a gun (the manta). So that makes the pulsar worse though it does have 4 shots. However it is the d cannon that I am in love with. Kind of wish I had got two d cannon arms :(

IA11 is a good few months away unfortunately.

The rules for all of the eldar stuff has changed since the playtest rules and has changed again since the version they had on show. In particular the phantom titan is seeing large changes and they are still playtesting it! It will be more points that the copy they had there stated, much better guns, higher armour value and better holo fields. Alan was kind enough to tell me the rules he expects to be the final ones after I proved to him that I bought the first phantom Titan and said I can't play with it without rules lol. What a legend!

It will be a nice model to use with pros and cons in comparison to the warlord which is the same points cost so there comments were correct with regards to it's power!

Another example is the lynx which is seeing a huge point increase (only fair) the shadow spectres which will be both cheaper and better. Gun getting longer range too and squad size increase so you can have the 5 man squad and the exarch for example.

Hornets have changed and can now move and fire both guns which was it's biggest flaw. Can also become a flyer.

War walkers have been adressed too.

Too much to discuss at once!

[Defenestratus]

I will also say that ap1 does not stack with str d to give +2 on the damage table I am afraid.

I see this as entire house-rule-ruled. Considering the vast majority of Str D is also AP2, and only a select number are AP1, I don't consider this a coincidence.

My sunstorm squad shall continue to add +2 to the damage chart unless my group decides otherwise.


God knows I need all the help I can get.

Good to hear that the rules are being buffed. I would be seriously pissed if it just had a 3-shot pea-shooter for a pulsar arm.

[eldargal]

Agreed, when I sa the cost and the rules I felt a bit sick with dissapointment. But it sounds like it will be remedied.

[eldargal]

Craftworld Lansing has a rather good photograph of an unpainted Phantom Titan displaying how its head/cockpit look, worth a look:
http://craftworldlansing.blogspot.com/2011/04/end-is-nigh-adepticon-2011-winds-down.html

[BigGrim]

Some nice updates here.

Upgrade of Lynx cost expected. Glad to hear everything else is being worked on too.

Phantom still looks amazing. The second one in the dynamic pose is amazing!

[DrLove42]

Phantom Titan is up for preorder

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Eldar/ELDAR-PHANTOM-TITAN-BODY.html

Shipped 26th April

The experimental rules for it are up as well...and they ARE different to those seen at the open day. Its now more expensive!

New rules are awesome!

13/11/11, Init 3, 3 attacks
Permantn 5+ save
4+ save if it moved
3+ if it moves flat out and fires no weapons
Pulsar is 4 shots
D cannon now has D3 rolls on the superheavy chart for each hit
Star Cannon is now S6, it was 7 at the open day
The AA weapon is now S 7 ap 3
Missile battery is 4 shots
But its now 2500 points!

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m252/drlove42/phant-reaver.jpg

[Ghost of War]

a little underwelming? The missile launchers are kinda ... pew pew. And the starcanon is also a little underwelming. The Rev has no such limitations at 12 inches as well.

I dont know if its worth the 2500 point pricetag.. thats just silly.

[fuzzbuket]

forge world has forgotton that GW makes chaos warlords 2500 pts.

silly FW

[DrLove42]

a little underwelming? The missile launchers are kinda ... pew pew. And the starcanon is also a little underwelming. The Rev has no such limitations at 12 inches as well.

I dont know if its worth the 2500 point pricetag.. thats just silly.

Only the missie launchers/starcannon/pulselaser has the min range...because they're so high up. Its the same as the caraspace weapons on a reaver

Price is a few hundred points too many...but the rules are so much better than those shown at the open day

[Ghost of War]

You can get *3* Revenant titans for that thing...

[eldargal]

Yes but look at the size of the Phantoms Pulsars, have to get my hands on those.:rolleyes:

Also, three revenants can't do 2-6 rolls on the damage table through void shields.

[gwensdad]

Yes but look at the size of the Phantoms Pulsars, have to get my hands on those.:rolleyes:


um...yeah...just gonna let that quote hang out there a bit...

(it's not the size, it's how Phil Kelly uses it, right?)

[JMichael]

First I agree that Str D AP1 should still be +2 on the standard vehicle damage chart (note that AP1 does not get a +1 on the super heavy damage chart).

Ah, but a Saim-Hann Eldar Doom Serpent Squadron gets +2 to the Super Heavy chart and +3 on the regular vehicle damage chart! (Str D, AP1, addit +1 if they are Saim-Hann)

I am overall happy with the rules. While the pts are kind of high...look at what it can do! And having an invulnerable save (too bad you can Fortune it!) along with the Agile rule. I dig it!
Again it still needs to be supported with other units/tanks. But combine it with a Scorpion or two and other weapons and you can realistically take out a Reaver in a single shooting phase!

Gorgeous model as well. I won't be buying one because I would never get the chance to use it! I can rarely get permission to use my Scorpion II tank!

[Gotthammer]

note that AP1 does not get a +1 on the super heavy damage chart

It does in every book from IA:A2 and IA:8 onwards.

Got my pre-order in, and holidays from work in May to build it :D

[JMichael]

It does in every book from IA:A2 and IA:8 onwards.

Ah, indeed it is. I was only looking at the GW APocalypse book. Thanks for the info!

[DrLove42]

Most Strenght D are AP2. So the AP1 ones are something special. If you believe AP1 adds to Strength D the cobra cannon ignore power fields, and does D3 damages, that chain reaction on a 4+.

So on say a Reaver, you get an average of 2 rolls, statisically you should get at least 1 chain reaction, if not more.

Can just see it rolling a 6 on the D3 roll, then rolling 3 weapon destroyed rolls on the damage table. Imagine blowing all 3 of the reavers weapons in one shot...

[Ghost of War]

Only issues I have with the Titan are..

1. Cost in points.. it should be a little cheaper. when we do a megabattle for our club the chaos guy brings his reaver and I bring some stuff.. we call that a wash since its even on both sides then everyone just brings like 2k point lists. With the Phantom he gets his reaver... a warhound.. and some change. Kinda brutal

2. The carpace weapons are a joke. They should be like doubel their rate of fire.. and the anti infantry missiles should be able to frag or krak.. AA I am undecided on... we tend to give flyers +1 armor if they were AV10.. and +2 if they are classed Superheavy flyers.. anything over 700 points gets 3 structure points if it had less (Tigershark WTF)

3. The Pulsar. I mean its pretty sweet dont get me wring but 4 pies on one target means its not that great for saturating an area with fire. I like the missile gun on the back of the reaver.. and the 8 leman russ pie plate arm..

For 2500 points I think it should be more than just 2 guns.. cuz the other stuff is kinda pointless.

[Gotthammer]

Got an email that my pre-order shipped today, two weeks early. Not complaining, but surprising.

Also ran a some test battles (http://collegiatitanica.blogspot.com/2011/04/arena-of-death-phantom-vs-warlord.html) against a Warlord and, so long as you have AP1 and StrD stacking, the Phantom didn't do as badly as I expected.