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ArmyC
03-20-2011, 08:31 PM
I would like to see everything in one book. I really enjoy browsing through my Fantasy book.

I'd like Apocalypse, Spearhead, City Fight, Planet Strike, etc. all to be in the one book.

I would love to see all the stats, weapons, and FOC for each race. Fine, leave the point costs out, and stay with the codex system, but put tons of fluff in there, and I ought to be able to get a great feel for all the other races from this one book, without having to buy the enemy codex. All the psychic abilities could be in there.

I would love that...

Lane
03-20-2011, 09:33 PM
I'd like Apocalypse, Spearhead, City Fight, Planet Strike, etc. all to be in the one book.


I agree that all the current supliments should be in the next edition rule book.

They also need to unify the special scenarios rules wise. A building/ bunker/ bastion should work the same in any game. Integrate the rules so you can play Planet Strike Apocalypse, Spearhead City Fight, etc. Even if they published a a separate book with the special scenarios the basic rules for each should still be in the main rules.

I would also like to see 6th ed 40k include Battle Missions. They could also work in an expanded Kill Team scenario and maybe the basics for a Necromunda style game.

Squirrel_Fish
03-20-2011, 09:35 PM
Agreed on your accounts. But I'd hope for a miniature rulebook to come with the starter set. As much as I love the giant rulebook, fitting the little one into an army case is far more convenient than a gigantic multihundred page hardcover book. That belongs on the bookshelf or at the household gaming table, rather than the FLGS (which is where I usually play).

In the big book, I would really like to see a segment (even a small chunk of it) of the book dedicated to hobby tutorials. Even more, I really miss those chapters of a Codex that would showcase the Eavy Metal team's techniques for tackling X or Y.

He who shall not be named
03-20-2011, 10:15 PM
i'd pay $75 if it had. . . .

1. Lots and lots of fluff on stuff not address throughly

2. really cool showcase armies with tutorials on how they did that certain effect.

3. And finally just really thought through and good scenarios.

DarkLink
03-20-2011, 11:52 PM
If they included a full unit or two from my army, of my choice. $75 is far, far too much for a book that I only want for rules.

Mr.Pickelz
03-21-2011, 01:41 AM
it would be nice to see them bring back the 3rd. ed. missions, but update their rules. there were like 10 to 15 missions that were "Standard" missions. i don't have my book on hand at the moment to count but there was A LOT more then 3...

you had Battles, Ambushes, and War(i think) missions and you had to roll to see which one you got. Also, the mission would alter what the defender and attack had for FOC slots. It was tons of fun and really changed how armies worked, with the restrictions and stuff.

fuzzbuket
03-21-2011, 01:41 AM
i'd pay $75 if it had. . . .

1. Lots and lots of fluff on stuff not address throughly

2. really cool showcase armies with tutorials on how they did that certain effect.

3. And finally just really thought through and good scenarios.

*COUGH 4rth ed 40k *COUGH*

ahhh painting tuts, battle patrol, 10+ missions, 2 building templates, LOTS of fluff, campaigns... ahhhhh

Lane
03-21-2011, 02:16 AM
In the big book, I would really like to see a segment (even a small chunk of it) of the book dedicated to hobby tutorials. Even more, I really miss those chapters of a Codex that would showcase the Eavy Metal team's techniques for tackling X or Y.

I think the hobby tutorials are best left for a separate book or the Codex. They could fill several rule book size tomes with just basic hobby skills. Look at How to paint Citadel miniatures, space marines, citadel tanks, build war gaming terrain. By combining you could cut down about 1 - 1 1/2 books but most of it is painting. When you add in modeling skills, conversions, basic sculpting etc you could easily fill two books the size of WHFB.

The showcase armies belong with the Codex. They may have some pictures in the main book but details belong in the codex.

SotonShades
03-21-2011, 02:50 AM
I would love to agree about getting the missions back from 3rd Ed. and folding them back in to 6th, but we still have them... they are all in Battlemissions, just with a slight twist to favour the army they are under for unbalanced games. Ok I can understand people don't want to pay an extra £18 for something that should be in the main rulebook but there is a reason they aren't included!

Back in 3rd Ed we had all those missions but we never played them. Having a different FOC and stepping away from the more streamlined main three or so missions. Different FOC also meant you couldn't just play them as pick up games as no one had lists for them. Same reason you can't so easilly play planetstrike, city fight or spearhead without preparing a specific list and planning with your opponant ahead of time.

On the one hand I would really love to see these kind of games included in the main rulebook, but I also don't want to lose pages to missions that aren't going to get used. I would prefer to see the hobby sections back, along with inspiration such as the Eavy Metal armies and conversions.

chromedog
03-21-2011, 03:32 AM
If ...

ALL of the army lists were included in the book, pre-codex update (like 3rd ed. Yes, I know, 3rd ed had to do it that way because of how the core rules had changed. This would at least give ALL armies the same levelling out at edition start. SM would get buffed a month later, but still.).

It was printed on rolled gold leaf, with ink made from the bleeding of Jervis dry.

The prices they charge for some of their books, they may as well be printed on gold leaf.

Mauglum.
03-21-2011, 04:00 AM
If ...
It contained a bag with the $74 dollars chage I would want after reading it!:D

Seriuosly why not simply let the rules be a down loadble PDF , and just sell the books on hobby skills and background seperatley from the rules?

Because GW like changing the rules as they go along , this is the most sensible option isnt it?

TTFN

Skragger
03-21-2011, 09:54 AM
Does anyone remember when 40K and (more specifically) Fantasy had two core rulebooks? The RULE book, and the BATTLE book? I used to love that system.

The rule book was just that, the rules. Similar to those new mini rulebooks you get in the starter sets these days, but the battle book was the shining glory.

It was composed of all those fluffy bits we all loved, a whole land raider full of battle missions, modelling tips and ideas, cool army list builds, conversions, and painting ideas. It was a real treasure trove of everything we ever wanted!

It also meant that we didn't have to lug around a huge hardcover rulebook everywhere with us, going to a game? Just take the rulebook! Going to a painting session? Just take the battlebook! I miss those days.. when a squad cost $32 CDN after tax.. ah my youth! :D

DrLove42
03-21-2011, 10:06 AM
Maybe them selling it as a big book has something to do with....them being a buisness needing to make money? Could it be?

How many players do you know? There are millions of players out there i'm sure. Even at 1 rulebook between 2 thats a huge revenue stream. They need to keep selling.

If they did smaller books, at cheaper, or just released the rules free online, they'd be hemmoraging money at a chronic rate. And remember...if GW goes under there no more new codexes, rules or (official) models ever....

I like what you say Skragger about times of old (e.g long before i played) and 2 seperate books for fluff and rules. But again you might sell lots of rules books, but a lot of people don't give a monkeys about the fluff so those sales would be down. Also by putting the mini-book in a boxset only, it drives sales of the box set for people who only want the book and sell the mini's

Skragger
03-21-2011, 10:08 AM
I like what you say Skragger about times of old (e.g long before i played) and 2 seperate books for fluff and rules. But again you might sell lots of rules books, but a lot of people don't give a monkeys about the fluff so those sales would be down. Also by putting the mini-book in a boxset only, it drives sales of the box set for people who only want the book and sell the mini's


That was the brilliance of it, they were sold.. together! You'd buy them in like.. a two pack!

DrLove42
03-21-2011, 10:14 AM
Really? Now that is a nice thing!

Like I say I have no knowledge of ye olde times really. I started in the dying year of 4th ed, so don't know a lot of stuff from before hand!

Skragger
03-21-2011, 10:23 AM
Really? Now that is a nice thing!

Like I say I have no knowledge of ye olde times really. I started in the dying year of 4th ed, so don't know a lot of stuff from before hand!


Its great.. every now, when I'm feeling really depressed, I break out my old minis, and just laugh and laugh and laugh at how silly they look!

If you get the chance, and this goes to all the new players, buy ONE really, really, REALLY old model (maybe from the red period), and paint it, and play with it. And when people ask about it, say its your armies comic relief.