2500 space wolves (2 lists not sure what one too use)

[Lancefireball]

I have an upcoming 2500 tourny with no soft scores and I want the list with the most punch. I would also like any feedback on how to maybe make either of the lists better. I am clueless on what list I would like to use though. Both seem to be pretty solid to me.

List 1:

HQ 1: Wolf Lord
Upgrades: Runic Armour, Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Claw, Storm Shield, Wolftooth Necklace, Saga of the Warrior Born
Total = 260

HQ 2: Wolf Lord
Upgrades: Runic Armour, Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Claw, Storm Shield
Total = 215

Elite 1: 5 Wolf Guard
3x Power Fist & Combi-Melta
2x Power Fist & Combi-Flamer
Total = 215

Troop 1: 8 Grey Hunters
1 Meltagun, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, Drop Pod
Total = 175

Troop 2: 8 Grey Hunters
1 Meltagun, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, Drop Pod
Total = 175

Troop 3: 8 Grey Hunters
1 Meltagun, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, Drop Pod
Total = 175

Troop 4: 8 Grey Hunters
1 Flamer, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, Drop Pod
Total = 170

Troop 5: 8 Grey Hunters
1 Flamer, 1 Mark of the Wulfen, Drop Pod
Total = 170

Fast Attack 1: 4Thunderwolf Cavalry
1 Bare, 1 with Melta Bombs, 1 with Power Fist, 1 with Storm Shield
(All different for wound alocation)
Total = 260

Fast Attack 2: 4Thunderwolf Cavalry
1 Bare, 1 with Melta Bombs, 1 with Power Fist, 1 with Storm Shield
(All different for wound alocation)
Total = 260

Fast Attack 3: 10 Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Total = 80
Heavy Support 1: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Missile Launchers
Total = 115

Heavy Support 2: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Missile Launchers
Total = 115

Heavy Support 3: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Missile Launchers
Total = 115



Or

List 2:

HQ 1: Logan
Total = 275

HQ 2: Wolf Lord
Upgrades: Runic Armour, Thunderwolf Mount, Wolf Claw, Storm Shield
Total = 215

Troop 1: 5 Wolf Guard
3x Terminator Armour with Power Weapon and Storm Shield
2x Terminaor Armour with Power Fist and Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
Total = 275

Troop 2: 5 Wolf Guard
3x Terminator Armour with Power Weapon and Storm Shield
2x Terminaor Armour with Power Fist and Combi-Melta
Drop Pod
Total = 275

Troop 3: 10 Wolf Guard
2x Combi Flamer
1x Power Fist & Combi Flamer
1x Terminator Armour & Cyclone Missile Launcher (Join Grey Hunters)
Drop Pod
Total = 295

Troop 4: 10 Wolf Guard
2x Combi Flamer
1x Power Fist & Combi Flamer
1x Terminator Armour & Cyclone Missile Launcher (Join Grey Hunters)
Drop Pod
Total = 295

Troop 5: 5 Grey Hunters
Total = 75

Troop 6: 5 Grey Hunters
Total = 75

Fast Attack 1: 4Thunderwolf Cavalry
1 Bare, 1 with Melta Bombs, 1 with Power Fist, 1 with Storm Shield
(All different for wound alocation)
Total = 260

Fast Attack 2: 10 Fenrisian Wolf Pack
Total = 80

Heavy Support 1: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Multi-Meltas, Drop Pod
Total = 115

Heavy Support 1: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Missile Launchers
Total = 115

Heavy Support 1: 1 Squad Leader & 4 Long Fangs
4 Missile Launchers
Total = 115

[blackarmchair]

Eh. I'd go with the second one if I had to choose.

I wouldn't mix foot elements with drop pods, especially not highly expensive T-Wolf Cav units with some pods that piecemeal in.

[Zeitkraft]

I would personally take list one. Loganwing is a very specific list that doesn't seem to be what your play style from list one is going for.

As for how to go about improving list one, I would drop the Long Fangs in order to add more drop podding troops and/or WG with combi-weapons.

Yes, drop the LF's. Heresy, I know, but let me explain.

Since they are smaller squads with no transport, they do one thing very very well. That us set up in a single place (hopefully in cover) and shoot. However, this leaves them exposed to having their firing lanes blocked, as well as leaves them vulnerable to things like DS'ing Terminators, Storm Troopers, fast transports full of nasties, etc. They really cannot keep up with or move like the rest of the army can. There also is really way to defend them, due to how "in your face" the rest of this list is.

You make up for their loss by adding more DP'ing melta (drop podding, mind out of the gutter :D) You could add a whole 'nother troops squad with WG, identical to your others, as well as another pod with 4 WG w/ 4 combi-weapons of your choice. Nets you a fourth DP on turn one, which should allow you to reliably bust at least 3 transports in your first round, screen your wolves with some more cover, and keep everything in your opponents face without having to worry about units in your backfield being lit up.