Where did Sicarius go! "a Ultramarines thread"

[Morgan Darkstar]

Hi People new here and all that but been following bols for a while

"SPOILERS MAY FOLLOW"

Cannot find this discussed in any detail "sorry if it has been and i am treading old ground"

My question is quite simple where did Sicarius go? i have recently seen the Ultramarines movie and it strikes me as odd, no extremely odd! that dan abbnett, who i assume is up-to-date with 40k fluff would put a unheard of captain in charge of the Ultramarines 2nd company knowing that Sicarius is the current captain.

Any Comments, Suggestions for the reason and explanation behind this strange departure from fluff.

[Grailkeeper]

Without wantig to give anything away- watch the entire film and it'll become pretty clear.

[JxKxR]

Without wantig to give anything away- watch the entire film and it'll become pretty clear.

Wait what now? Do I need to pay attention to their names or is there something after the credits?

[BlackKnight15624]

In all likelihood, the writer likely focused on a predecessor to Sicarius- There is no Ultima Squad in the current fluff for the 2nd company anyway. Through 10000 years of history, it's now (I guess) canonical that at some point in time, there was a Captain Severus who led a squad of new recruits in a formation known as "ultima" squad. Succeeded by any number of captains before Sicarius.

Just because it's a 40k movie, doesn't mean it has to be based in the 41st millennium (i.e. anywhere from 30k-40k).

[Morgan Darkstar]

In all likelihood, the writer likely focused on a predecessor to Sicarius- There is no Ultima Squad in the current fluff for the 2nd company anyway. Through 10000 years of history, it's now (I guess) canonical that at some point in time, there was a Captain Severus who led a squad of new recruits in a formation known as "ultima" squad. Succeeded by any number of captains before Sicarius.

I dont think so the movie must be set after the ultramarines first encountered Tyranids "check the awsome stained glass window" in the previous codex captain ageman was leader of the 2nd company until he was made captain of the 1st company and sicarius took on the role of captain of the 2nd company so the events in the movie must be later in the 40k timeline at a point where sicarius is no longer captain of the 2nd company.

[wittdooley]

Without wantig to give anything away- watch the entire film and it'll become pretty clear.

Please give something away. I must be missing it too.

[DrLove42]

Please give something away. I must be missing it too.

From my understanding (i haven't seen it, just heard the story) the captain of the 2nd company....becomes somewhat inconvenienced and would find it hard to lead the company by the end of the film. Ergo he may be replaced....

[Brass Scorpion]

Seriously? First off, they are not going to kill off a major character from the background lore for the movie, so there's one reason. Second, it's the 41st Millennium, and without a specific year in that 1000 year period it leaves a lot of room for flexible time frame, making the creation of new characters easily possible. That's called, "creative license". Finally, GW and their affiliated partners constantly underestimate how much time some in their fan base spend thinking about this stuff. This question reminds me of the "what was the lock combination on episode" such-and-such in that old Saturday Night Live sketch with William Shatner about Star Trek fans. Amazing.

"Get A Life" Sketch Transcript:
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/86/86hgetalife.phtml

[Morgan Darkstar]

Lol maybe i am putting to much thought into this its beginning to give me a headache i think its time for me to go and paint some WOC that should clear my head :)

[wittdooley]

From my understanding (i haven't seen it, just heard the story) the captain of the 2nd company....becomes somewhat inconvenienced and would find it hard to lead the company by the end of the film. Ergo he may be replaced....

Oh... Good point. Timelines and all :)

[Kieranator K82]

I just saw the movie. It seems odd to me that, fluff-wise, they had a 2nd Company captain other than Sicarius. Sicarius had to be Captain for several reasons:
- This film is set after the first Tyrannic War (ended 745.M41)
- It is still the 41st Millenium (as stated by Severus during the monologue over the title sequence)
- Sicarius is still Captain at the end of the 41st Millenium
They could have had Severus as some guy sent in the Captain's stead, rather than Captain himself. If that was the case, they could have mentioned that. Then again, this is the least of the oversights in the film.

[Lexington]

I think he might well be right, timeline-wise - the First Tyrannic War wasn't too terribly long ago, from the perspective of "current" 40K. Sicarius was promoted to Captain about 150 years back, according to Lexicanum (yeah, yeah, I know), and his predecessor is the current Captain of the 1st Company. So, if this fits in with canon, it's got some explaining to do.

To be entirely fair, however, I'm pretty sure GW and everyone else are very busy trying to pretend that Ultramarines never existed. :p

[Psychosplodge]

Because that's the biggest flaw with the film...

[Denzark]

I have another strange query .... Why is this here and not in 'background'...?

[pinchy]

I dont think so the movie must be set after the ultramarines first encountered Tyranids "check the awsome stained glass window" in the previous codex captain ageman was leader of the 2nd company until he was made captain of the 1st company and sicarius took on the role of captain of the 2nd company so the events in the movie must be later in the 40k timeline at a point where sicarius is no longer captain of the 2nd company.

Technically they'd also have yellow shoulder trim and red weapons if it happened pre-Macragge. But basically the entire movie is a complete and utter travesty, it is was just some random writer I wouldn't care but I know that Abnett should know better- really how would it mess up the story (using the loosest possible sense of the word) if they'd killed off the captain of a different Ultramarines company (or alternatively have a veteran sergeant or an honour guard leading them)?

Having said that on the large list of grievances that any reasonable person would have with the movie this it a pretty decent way down the list- it's just disappointing that the only thing I expected them to do well was the story seeing they had Abnett involved, the other failures while bad one could perhaps blame on a lack of money/etc...

[Morgan Darkstar]

I have another strange query .... Why is this here and not in 'background'...?

It's ALIVE! ALIVE! good to see the dark art of threadromancy is alive and well :D

To answer your question Denzark i originally posted this back in Febuary when i was new here.

[Denzark]

shhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeiiiiiittt.

[MarneusCalgar]

Well, just hope there will be more 40K movies!!!