Acceptable or a Chessy Idea

[Dominic]

Hiya Guys

I love all terminaor armies and I want to be able to build an army which will be able to "count as" for all 3 flavour (Wolfwing, Deathwing, and the new Grey Kinghts all termi army)

So, what I'm asking is would it be chessy to have my own chapter of termis and us them as count as for all three varities?

Furthermore, what modle should I use (plain termis? Mix of SW? Maybe the new GK ones?)

[geisthammer]

chesse. pure unadulterated chesse. IMO you cant have 1 army for 3 codexs. its just a bit OTT in the "count as" department.I use the what you see is what you get (WYSIWYG) option when i game...apart from grenades. But thats just my opinion.

[gcsmith]

even if u go wysiwyg, then u are going to be able to use them, they all carry storm bolters, and all wear termi armour, only problem is nemesis for GK but u can magnetise one arm.

For the record, paint scheme is not wysiwyg

[geisthammer]

even if u go wysiwyg, then u are going to be able to use them, they all carry storm bolters, and all wear termi armour, only problem is nemesis for GK but u can magnetise one arm.

For the record, paint scheme is not wysiwyg

yea I know. but im not that much of a fan of "count as" armys....a friend of mine used his smurfs as CSM, a 3man squad of devistators count as obliterators...come on its a bit OTT. sorry if i sounded harsh.

[isotope99]

I think if you customise a reasonable portion of the army e.g. the HQ choices and special weapons and aren't chopping and changing them on a daily basis, then its perfectly reasonable to re-use some of the models in a custom chapter, especially expensive ones like land raiders.

There are limits to this and the example of using marines as obliterators is a bit naff but if done properly, I don't think there is a prolem.

However, I am biased as I've been using the Blood Angels list with some dark angels models. ;)

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[plasticaddict]

As long as you are wysiwyg there are no problems. I have a dedicated SM army that I usually play that's all socuts (10th Co.), a stupid amount of GK, a large IG army and My Tau. Other than that I have a counts as army that plays as: CSM, SW, BA, SM, BT and DA. I built it that way because even though I own all of them, I don't really like any of the codexes enough to build a dedicated army. I do however like being able to field something different than usually from time to time, it gives both my regular opponents and myself a welcome change of pace.

I used a mix of the chapter upgrade sprues and various bitz to give them a "neutral" look. Lots of units can do double duty i.e. my Wolf Guard, become Sword Bretheren or Chosen, my Raptors become Death Co. etc.. My Tac Squads get used with the fewest changes and I do have some units that only work in a single list but I only have a single army that is slightly larger than usual. I've never had an opponent question any of my models or what unit the represent.

[geisthammer]

I think if you customise a reasonable portion of the army e.g. the HQ choices and special weapons and aren't chopping and changing them on a daily basis, then its perfectly reasonable to re-use some of the models in a custom chapter, especially expensive ones like land raiders.

There are limits to this and the example of using marines as obliterators is a bit naff but if done properly, I don't think there is a prolem.

However, I am biased as I've been using the Blood Angels list with some dark angels models. ;)

http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/data/578/DSC00997.JPG
http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/photopost/data/578/DSC01090.JPG

those BTW are very impresive....But i look at it from a fluff standpoint, its not very fluffy to have a DA marine with wolf pelts and a SW with a hooded cloak. it can be done but im too much of a perfectionist and im not saying that people shouldnt create there own chapter. GW should have put some kind of chapter traits in the 5th SM codex, like the 4th so people can create there own chapter instead of confusing people with" im using SoB as a space wolf army".

[Dominic]

Just to be clear

I don't just plan on buying regular termis and counting them as all the different variants, that would be cheesy, I plan to heavily covert and magnetise them to fit different needs (e.g.frost weapons, NFWs etc.). And I plan to make 3 different special characters to represent the different leaders of the Armies.


those BTW are very impresive....But i look at it from a fluff standpoint, its not very fluffy to have a DA marine with wolf pelts and a SW with a hooded cloak. it can be done but im too much of a perfectionist and im not saying that people shouldnt create there own chapter. GW should have put some kind of chapter traits in the 5th SM codex, like the 4th so people can create there own chapter instead of confusing people with" im using SoB as a space wolf army".

Like I said, dont plan on just mixing bits, I want to make my own chapter and just wanted your opinions on a counts as army

Overall everything will be WYSIWUG

And, its not so much that I'm lazy and cant be bothered to make up 3 armies, I just want to make my own Termi Cult from scratch, so it will have to count as for one codex, so why not all 3?

[somerandomdude]

Geist, you're talking about a lot of extremes.

SoB as Space Wolves? Devastators as Obliterators? Yeah, those are a bit much, and those are nothing like what Dominic is saying. Personally, I can't stand Space Wolf players using Bloodcrushers as mounts (Space Wolves don't ride chaos mounts, people), but that's generally accepted by a lot of people. If they weren't painted at all like SWs, I'd be okay with it. You're making it your own. By that same token, my World Eaters with Raptor packs and Khorne iconography piss off a lot of people because I use the Blood Angel codex.

Dom, here's a couple questions you should consider:

Are you doing this because one codex might have a strength over a particular army, and another codex have a different strength?

Are you doing this to potentially confuse opponents? Is it possible they may be confused regardless?

If I play against your Space Wolves one game, and a couple weeks later you bring out your army again (as DA), am I going to know that they are Dark Angels this time?

Are you going to put a lot of time and effort into converting and painting these, to the point that they won't be challenged as something you did over the weekend?

Is every piece of wargear going to be clearly understood? Assuming I am familiar with all three codexes, would I be able to look at your army and know how each model is armed without asking you?

This is honestly borderline, but at this point it is more about intent than anything. No matter what there will be people who have a problem with it. It's up to your execution and how you use them to determine how the rest of us feel.

[geisthammer]

sorry guys im a bit stubborn.

[FastEd]

The long and short of it for me, and probably a few others who have posted, is they should be A) WYSIWYG, and B) not painted in a way that indicates they are from a specific official chapter, thus avoiding confused opponents. If you stick by that, I think any opponent wouldn't have a problem if you had built them into a DA, SW, Codex SM, or any other list.

Tournaments aside, a lot of it also depends on your gaming group. Personally if I see somebody who has a set of minis built for another chapter, but painted up to match their main army I have no problem (like the Dark Angels earlier in this thread), though I personally have avoided that by doing a custom offshoot chapter, like you intend to do, that I can swap things around in without people potentially making comments about breaking canon.

[MaltonNecromancer]

Aah, as long as the conversions are cool and the arms are magnetised, just do it.

Successful conversions made of awesome trumps everything else. As Alessio Cavatore said "when designing any wargaming rules, the models always come first".

[geisthammer]

Aah, as long as the conversions are cool and the arms are magnetised, just do it.

Successful conversions made of awesome trumps everything else. As Alessio Cavatore said "when designing any wargaming rules, the models always come first".

yes, thats what i was trying to get to....

[AbusePuppy]

I don't understand why anyone would find this army concept particularly chesslike; are you painting your Chaplains like bishops and only moving them diagonally across the field, or what?

[Denzark]

Aah, as long as the conversions are cool and the arms are magnetised, just do it.

Successful conversions made of awesome trumps everything else. As Alessio Cavatore said "when designing any wargaming rules, the models always come first".

Malton you are a British Teacher of English. The only acceptable penance for you trying to be 'down with the kids' and use 'awesome' as a noun, rather than an adjective, is to do this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_kiri

That is all.

[Lerra]

Do the models look cool? Do you have fun? Does your opponent have fun?

That's all that matters. I've got a custom chapter that I use for multiple codices (DA, vanilla marines, and BA) and I rarely get complaints. I have about 5-6k of marines, but I painted them all the same because I wanted the force to look coherent for apocalypse battles. There is a good deal of crossover between the vanilla and the BA army lists, but the DA list is completely stand-alone. I like the variety of being able to change army list, plus I know my army will never be left in the dust for 5+ years without an update.

[Cherub]

I dont have a problem with that. I know a guy that has built a first and second company using the DA rule book and an 8th company using the BA book. Make thme wysiwyg and nobody should have a problem with that, after all they are your little plastic soldiers do with them what you will.