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wittdooley
01-10-2011, 12:32 PM
As Dan Abnett’s Prospero Burns has clawed its way into the NY Times Bestsellers list, marking the third straight Horus Heresy novel to do so, it seems about time to address the state of the Heresy; where it’s been, what has been announced for the horizon, and what we’ve yet to see. There will be spoilers ahead, so consider yourself warned if you’ve not waded through all 15 of the Horus Heresy novels.

Where We’ve Been

Timeline

In terms of a timeline, the Horus Heresy is presently fixed right after the Dropsite Massacre of Isstvan V. Nemesis seems to be the furthest along in timeline, as it is clearly after Horus has taken control of the Traitor forces and seems somewhat entrenched in the planning of the assault on Terra. Most of the literature has drawn to conclusion right at the Isstvan massacre, though both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns conclude somewhat earlier, with the Razing of Tisca.

The Players

Thus far, stories have been told from the perspective of the Emperor’s Children and Iron Hands (Fulgrim), Word Bearers (The First Heretic), Dark Angels (Descent of Angels & Fallen Angels), Ultramarines (Battle for the Abyss), Thousand Sons (A Thousand Sons), Space Wolves (Prospero Burns), Alpha Legion (Legion) and the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus, Death Guard, World Eaters, and again Emperor’s Children (Horus Rising, False Gods, and Galaxy in Flames)—chapters figure into other stories, but for purposes here, the featured chapters are the only ones I note in reference to each book. Additionally, we’ve seen the Custodes and Assassin Claves in Nemesis and the Adeptus Mechanicus in Mechanicus. By that count, 11 of the 18 Astartes Legions have been highlighted and detailed in some fashion in a Horus Heresy novel. We’ve seen Rogal Dorn and his Imperial Fists briefly, but the focus was hardly on them. Additionally, the Raven Guard and Night Lords have seen some face time in the audiobooks Raven’s Flight and The Lightning Tower; though the stories are brief, they do shed a bit of light on the Primarchs Corax and Konrad Curze. The Salamanders and Iron Warriors have both been mentioned in passing as participants in the Dropsite Massacre. The only legions thusfar unmentioned as as Legions are the Blood Angels and the White Scars, though Sanguinius was sighted at the Council of Nikea in both A Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns.

Secrets to Heresy (MAJOR SPOILERS AHEAD)

While the first five or six books of the Horus Heresy were tools for narration and character development, beginning with Legion, readers were offered more insight into the characters at play in the Heresy, as well as some of its secrets. Starting with Legion, I’ll divulge and speculate on some of the secrets we’ve been made privy to:

Legion – We already knew the Alpha Legion was a secretive and pragmatic legion, but we were slapped in the face by the actual reality of their pragmatism and (perhaps) devotion to the Emperor’s Cause—the unification of mankind—when it was revealed to us that the Cabal, a mysterious group of seers, directed the Alpha Legion to side with Horus in order to prevent further bloodshed in the years that follow the Horus Heresy. Though not implicitly told to follow Horus, the Cabal indicated that siding with Horus would result in a shorter war that could eventually be overcome, whereas siding with the Emperor would lead to devastation and a war that would burn the galaxy.

Mechanicum – Though not laden with shocking truths, Mechanicum lays the foundation for the Dark Mechanicum and shows the civil war on Mars. Graham McNeill delves deeply into the notion of the Machine-God, ultimately leaving us hanging with the semi-revelation that the Dragon (perhaps a C’tan) is buried and dormant on Mars.

A Thousand Sons – Here’s where we learn a great deal. Another McNeill penned novel, A Thousand Sons reveals three primary truths to us:

1) by all intents, the Thousand Sons are loyal to the Emperor. Magnus and Co devoutly follow the Emperor, their hubris in their thirst for knowledge of the warp, not heretical intentions, is their undoing.

2) the Emperor was working on a device to seemingly rival the Eldar webways. In Magnus’ haste to warn the Emperor of Horus’ heretical intent, he psychically breaks down the barriers the Emperor has constructed around Terra to keep the malicious denizens of the warp out.

3)”There are not wolves on Fenris.” The most subtle, and perhaps most debated topic since A Thousand Sons was released, it is hinted that the wolves that accompany the Space Wolves are not in fact wolves, but rather another warp entity.

Nemesis – While providing insight into the Assassin Clades—as well as presenting two Clades we’ve previously heard little about—we’re also shown that perhaps Horus is not in total control of the Traitor forces, even following the Dropsite Massacre. The assassin sent to kill the Emperor is not mandated by Horus, and Horus tells Erebus at the end that he does not conduct war in the shadows, indicating that perhaps some of Horus’ nobility remains.

The First Heretic – This is an incredibly insightful book, particularly in terms of discovering the nature of Lorgar and the feelings his brother’s harbor towards him. The most revelatory thing here is the fact that Lorgar is barely in charge of his legion. His is led down a Heretical path by both Erebus and Kor Phaeron; rarely does he make a decision without them, and Dembski-Bowden makes it quite clear the aforementioned two are perhaps the architects of the Heresy. Further, we learn that Lorgar is despised by nearly all of his brothers and is nearly killed on Istvaan V by Corax, only to be rescued, much to his own chagrin, by Konrad Curze.

Prospero Burns – Perhaps my favorite Black Library novel, Prospero Burns tells us quite a few new truths. It examines the statement introduced in A Thousand Sons, “there are no wolves on Fenris,” but again does so in an abstract and incredibly vague way. Also up to much debate, Abnett seems to indicate that the wolves that accompany the VI Legion are either positive manifestations of the warp, or perhaps even the spirts of deceases Space Wolves that lay watch over Fenris and their living brothers. Again, the notion is extremely abstracted and left open to a lot of debate. Second, Prospero Burns shows us that Magnus’ undoing and the fall of Horus had been plotted for a long, long time previous to it happening by a Great Unclean One. What is does make quite clear is the Space Wolves place in the Imperium. They are the Emperor’s Executioners, but they do not relish the role.

The Known Horizon

We know that there are two Horus Heresy books on the upcoming horizon. First readers will see The Age of Darkness, a collection of short stories that will detail the seven-year period between the Dropsite Massacre at Isstvan V and the Traitor forces massing their offensive to Terra. We know that there will be at least one Nick Kyme story looking into the Salamanders in this collection. I imagine this is where we’ll see some expanding on the other Legions that have yet to be explored fully.

Second, the Black Library has just announced a Graham McNeill penned Horus Heresy novel that will, based off the cover art, presumably deal with either Malcador the Sigillite or a member of the Navigator Houses. My money—and hopes—would be on Malcador, though it’s doubtful that McNeill’s effort will be bad.

The Heretical Future

We know a few things, despite any lack of announcement:

We WILL see at least a few books detailing the Siege of Terra. I’d like to see a trilogy similar to the opening three, where the entire conclusion of the heresy is dealt with at great length over three novels. It would provide a really nice bookend to the series and would provide a nice mirroring to how it began. Bet money that if there are three books, Abnett and McNeill will be writing two of them.

We WILL see a Blood Angels book. I have no doubts about this. Sanguinius and Co figure to be one of the main chapters detailed in the Siege of Terra. My money would be on James Swallow writing this, as he has already penned five Blood Angels novels in the current 40k era, and proved with Nemesis that he deserves to be a member of the Horus Heresy writing staff.

We SHOULD see a book detailing the creation of the Grey Knights. I imagine that this idea could be built within the greater framework of the Imperial Fists and their defense of Terra, even though we’ve seen glimpses of Dorn’s presence on Terra in the short stories.

We SHOULD see a book detailing the Battle of Calth. It’s been hinted at now in both The Battle for the Abyss and The First Heretic. If it’s done like the raising of Tisca and is a two-parter, you can guarantee that the Ultramarines side will be penned my McNeill and the Word Bearers side will be written by Dembski-Bowden. I don’t know that I want to see both sides in two separate books. It’d be interesting to see a combined effort between the two, but I imagine there will be one book, it will be from the Ultramarines side (as they don’t have a great book focused on them yet), and Graham McNeill will write it.

I WOULD LIKE to see a book concerning the Custodes. They are a fascinating order, and it would do them a disservice, particularly after the marvelous short story in Tales of Heresy, to not give them a bit more face time

I WOULD LIKE to see a book detailing the Space Wolves and Dark Angels campaign of blood to Terra. By all accounts, the two chapters perhaps most loyal to the Emperor cut a swath through the galaxy that was unmatched by any other legion, plus it would really highlight the rivalry the legions and their Primarchs have with one another. Let’s call it “The Wolf and the Lion” and let Abnett write it.

I WOULD LIKE to see each aforementioned legion that has thusfar been slighted receive their own book. These books don’t need to be epic in length like Prospero Burns or Mechanicum, but I think the Salamanders, Raven Guard, White Scars, Night Lords, and Iron Warriors deserve to be highlighted in more than just some passing footnotes or short stories. They all have important stories to tell. Let’s hear them.

Overall

The Horus Heresy series has never been better. The most recent four books (starting with A Thousand Sons) have really raised the bar on quality and have marked the Horus Heresy series as the avenue that for Black Library authors to explore the universal themes that are most often associated with “literature.” I’d argue that the Horus Heresy books have started to transcend the “military sci-fi” restrictions, though they of course fit there, and have breached the universe of mainstream fiction and literature. With James Swallow, Aaron Dembski-Bowden, Graham McNeill, and Dan Abnett, the Horus Heresy novels have been left in very capable hands.

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david5th
01-10-2011, 01:14 PM
Whats on the black Library site.

Garro : Legion of One - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/Garro-Legion-of-One.html

Age of Darkness - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/Age-of-Darkness.html

The Outcast Dead - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/the-outcast-dead.html
Survivors of the Eisenstein?

Deliverance Lost - http://www.blacklibrary.com/all-products/coming-soon/deliverance-lost.html
Raven Guard?

wittdooley
01-10-2011, 01:17 PM
Ohh damn. Deliverance Lost sounds like Raven Guard.

gwensdad
01-10-2011, 05:19 PM
Quick notes-
We very briefly see White Scars in "Descent of Angels" (just long enough to give The Dark Angels a briefing, then they leave)

Dan Abnett in a youtube interview had a few things to say, such as he wants to do a White Scars book and that it's likely he will write "a major battle" (almost sounds like Calth) and it's also likely we'll see another Alpha Legion book-but that we won't know it's Alpha Legion until halfway into it.

Link to youtube video (http://www.youtube.com/user/adeliehigh#p/u/5/uB1ZjfA_3Hc)

Vaddok Sek
01-10-2011, 07:31 PM
Actually it was the 4th novel to achieve NYT bestseller status. A Thousand Sons, Nemesis, and The First Heretic were all on the list for a while.

wittdooley
01-10-2011, 08:17 PM
Gwensdad--sweet. Thanks for the link. Based on Prospero burns, I can only assume similar exhaustive cultural research if abnett does a white scars book. Could be very cool.

Vaddok suck-- I stand corrected. Thanks for adding to the conversation.

Vaddok Sek
01-10-2011, 11:32 PM
No prob witdooky, always happy to help. On another note, the founding of the Grey Knights is in progress. In the audio book, "Garro: Oath of Moment", Garro has sworn fealty to Malcador, this entails having his armour repainted grey and having Malcador's personal heraldry engraved in it, and this is a familiar sounding styilized "I". He sends Garro on a mission to travel to the different legions and round up the battle brothers who were librarians before the edict at Nikea was issued. This mission may continue in the next one "Garro: Legion of One" and due to his coverage of Malcador and what seems to be the precursors to the Inquisition, my money is on Swallow writing the GK novel.

Baron Spikey
01-11-2011, 01:30 AM
2) the Emperor was working on a device to seemingly rival the Eldar webways. In Magnus’ haste to warn the Emperor of Horus’ heretical intent, he psychically breaks down the barriers the Emperor has constructed around Terra to keep the malicious denizens of the warp out.
No he's working on an Imperial Webway section to link into the established Webway, and Magnus breaks the seals protecting the section that the Emperor's scientists are constructing allowing a never ending horde of daemons to imperil Terra.


3)”There are not wolves on Fenris.” The most subtle, and perhaps most debated topic since A Thousand Sons was released, it is hinted that the wolves that accompany the Space Wolves are not in fact wolves, but rather another warp entity.
Or Space Wolves that have devolved beyond the Wulfen stage, it's ambiguous to say the least.


The Known Horizon

We know that there are two Horus Heresy books on the upcoming horizon. First readers will see The Age of Darkness, a collection of short stories that will detail the seven-year period between the Dropsite Massacre at Isstvan V and the Traitor forces massing their offensive to Terra. We know that there will be at least one Nick Kyme story looking into the Salamanders in this collection. I imagine this is where we’ll see some expanding on the other Legions that have yet to be explored fully.
Kyme's story is about a lone Ultramarine and Salamander, not the Salamanders Legion as a whole.




The Heretical Future

We know a few things, despite any lack of announcement:

We WILL see a Blood Angels book. I have no doubts about this. Sanguinius and Co figure to be one of the main chapters detailed in the Siege of Terra. My money would be on James Swallow writing this, as he has already penned five Blood Angels novels in the current 40k era, and proved with Nemesis that he deserves to be a member of the Horus Heresy writing staff.
We KNOW Swallow will be writing the novel regarding the Signus ambush, it's been confirmed by Swallow and ADB.


We SHOULD see a book detailing the creation of the Grey Knights. I imagine that this idea could be built within the greater framework of the Imperial Fists and their defense of Terra, even though we’ve seen glimpses of Dorn’s presence on Terra in the short stories.
Unlikely, we'll see much more than the foundation of such an organisation.


We SHOULD see a book detailing the Battle of Calth. It’s been hinted at now in both The Battle for the Abyss and The First Heretic. If it’s done like the raising of Tisca and is a two-parter, you can guarantee that the Ultramarines side will be penned my McNeill and the Word Bearers side will be written by Dembski-Bowden. I don’t know that I want to see both sides in two separate books. It’d be interesting to see a combined effort between the two, but I imagine there will be one book, it will be from the Ultramarines side (as they don’t have a great book focused on them yet), and Graham McNeill will write it.
We WILL see a Battle of Calth novel as it's one of the most important events in the Heresy.


I WOULD LIKE to see a book concerning the Custodes. They are a fascinating order, and it would do them a disservice, particularly after the marvelous short story in Tales of Heresy, to not give them a bit more face timeUnless the Secret War is written about I doubt we'll get a Custodian novel.


I WOULD LIKE to see a book detailing the Space Wolves and Dark Angels campaign of blood to Terra. By all accounts, the two chapters perhaps most loyal to the Emperor cut a swath through the galaxy that was unmatched by any other legion, plus it would really highlight the rivalry the legions and their Primarchs have with one another. Let’s call it “The Wolf and the Lion” and let Abnett write it.
You mean when the Space Wolves were badly beaten up by the Thousand Sons and then ambushed by the Alpha LEgion and almost annihilated? I'd like to find out who their 'unexpected rescuers' were, it can't be the DA as they're on the other side of the Galaxy in the same area as the Night Lords.


I WOULD LIKE to see each aforementioned legion that has thusfar been slighted receive their own book. These books don’t need to be epic in length like Prospero Burns or Mechanicum, but I think the Salamanders, Raven Guard, White Scars, Night Lords, and Iron Warriors deserve to be highlighted in more than just some passing footnotes or short stories. They all have important stories to tell. Let’s hear them.
Salamanders and Raven Guard won't get a novel as they pretty much ceased to exist as Legions after the drop site massacre (so anything more than a short story would be pushing it).
Abnett has said he wants to do a White Scars HH novel, I think that'd be really cool- the White Scars didn't even know about the Heresy until it was almost over, they'd been out of communication with the Imperium due to where they were campaigning. Imagine the manic confusion to triumphantly return to the Imperium only to find it about 6 years into a brutal civil war.

ADB has said he'll be doing a Night Lords HH novel, or at least that he'd like to, but with regards to the Iron Warriors they didn't do anything we know about between the Drop Site Massacre and the Siege of Terra.

miteyheroes
01-11-2011, 05:04 AM
Awesome post!

The Garro: Oath of Moment featured him walking around in bare armour with Malcador's stylised I on it, encouraging an ex-librarian to use psychic powers and join a new organisation Garro was founding. It certainly seems very much like the Grey Knights to me. I guess we may find out in April.

Re: Wolves on Fenris. It's a tricky one, isn't it? I hadn't guess warp beasts, but I can see why you would. I was going for humans that really didn't adapt well to being gene-modified. Although before reading any Heresy books based just on the SW codex I was going for some sort of Nid precursor. Who knows!

I've been particularly following references to the Two Deleted Legions. First Heretic and Prospero Burns both gave some pretty awesome hints in that direction...

Duke
01-11-2011, 09:32 AM
I had thought that the wolves on fenris weren't warp entities, but were infact mutated humans. Thoughts?

Duke

wittdooley
01-11-2011, 09:36 AM
Baron Spikey-- Nice post!

I agree hopes for the Salamanders & Raven Guard are just that: Hopes. I have to think we'll be at least seeing something involving Corax and the cloning he does as a result of the Dropsite Massacre.

Do we know when Kurze allows himself to be assassinated. When in the HH timeline does it occur?

Baron and Vaddokk-- So thoguhts on the Grey Knights? Think we'll get a full novel dealing with only them? I've yet to listen to Garro: Oath of Moment, so that would explain my not knowing this info! We've got a snow day today so I think i'll be listening today!

Mitey--- Agree about the unmentioned Legions. I have to imagine, by the end of this all, we'll know what happened to at least one, and I imagine at least one of them was wiped out by the Sons of Russ.

To all-- No Wolves on Fenris continues to be a great point of debate. Here's hoping we find out moer.

Cryl
01-11-2011, 10:02 AM
I had thought that the wolves on fenris weren't warp entities, but were infact mutated humans. Thoughts?
That was my assumption as well. Perhaps early geneseed corruption or failures of the geneseed to take in some recruits


I've been particularly following references to the Two Deleted Legions. First Heretic and Prospero Burns both gave some pretty awesome hints in that direction...
The hints about the missing legions were, for me, the best thing in the last two books. Lorgar being deeply upset by what happened to one or both of the legions and Magnus' sharply telling him to shut up when he starts to talk about it are both very cool and intruiging.

I had thought that the primarchs for at least one of the missing legions had been killed / failed within the birthing tube on Terra, I seem to remember one of the earlier books mentioning a crack in the case maybe as early as Horus Rising (or I could be imagining things, that happens...). If my memory isn't failing me perhaps this crack led to a greater than otherwise warp presence affecting that Primarch and the Emperor having to unleash the wolves on them, Leman Russ does say at the end of Prospero Burns that it's not the first or only time the Wolves have been used in that role.

Grailkeeper
01-11-2011, 11:59 AM
I was at a reading given by Graham McNeill a few months ago: some of the things he said

1. His next book is a murder mystery set on earth amoungst astropaths and loyal traitors
2. He wants to his next book about a traitor legion that aren't confused good guys but bad guys who like doing bad things- he mentioned Iron warriors here
3. Its very unlikely Iron hands will get a book as they are basically dead after Istvaan (this can probably apply to sallys too)
4. A-DB will probably do Night Lords
5. Theres a lot about the middle of the heresy we don't know and that will be covered in detail and be shocking (possible links to Capser hausers questions about the age of strife here I dunno)
6. What Dan Abnett has done with the wolves is amazing and very different to Bill King ( Prospero burns has already come out- decide for yourselves)

More Here http://www.lounge.belloflostsouls.net/showthread.php?t=7587

Unrelated to all this- didn't the Blood angels appear briefly in fulgrim fighting those insect things and had to be rescued by the Emperors Children

wasn't there something about the lost legion swelling ultramarine numbers that was hunted at?

My understanding is it is after the heresy when Kurze allows himself to be assassinated.

Laodamia
01-11-2011, 12:38 PM
Unrelated to all this- didn't the Blood angels appear briefly in fulgrim fighting those insect things and had to be rescued by the Emperors Children

You must be talking about the battle of One-Forty-Twenty, or Murder, against the Megarachnids (giant, half sentient spiders and insects, yerk!). An entire expeditionary fleet of BA and Emperor's Children being wipped out. The world was later cleansed by the 63rd, although they took some heavy losses fighting these monsters. However, it was too late for the 63rd to save anything as the bodies of the 140th SM were already being eaten by the megarachnids.

Vaddok Sek
01-11-2011, 12:59 PM
It's hard to say whether they will or not, I could definately see them getting more short stories as the series progresses but whether or not they get a novel really depends on whether you could make a story interesting enough to stretch it to one. For instance if they were to go and stem a chaos cult and daemonic incursion on Titan (later founding thier fortress monastary on the sight of thier first victory or something like that) while other elements of the foundling Inq. including the Sisters of Silence, the Assassin Clades and possibly the Custodes go out and take down Imperial Nobles and Army leaders that have sided with the traitors and plotted to open up a daemonic gateway like the Eye of Terror in the Segmentum Solar, that could make for an interesting novel.
Same with the Custodes, there could be alot of intersting short stories made about them at the moment and they are definitly to play an important role in the siege of Terra, but I dont see any way a full novel could be written about them at this point in the game.

Baron Spikey
01-11-2011, 04:09 PM
Mr Dembski-Bowden has stated an intention to do a series of Grey Knight books, maybe he'll link it somehow into their Founding post-Heresy? You know so we see the first steps towards Chapter 666's creation during the HH series and then it's expanded in the planned GK series.

I've never understood why the Iron Hands had basically no known roll in the Heresy after the Drop Site Massacre, it was their Primarch and Veteran Companies that were wiped out but that left most of the Legion intact...silly weepy robot-men.

Artein
01-12-2011, 06:11 AM
We know that Swallow's next HH novel will be about Blood Angels on Signus Prime.

We know that Deliverance Lost will be written by Gav Thorpe.

We know that The Outcast Dead is about an astropath on Terra who have some very important info.... and there are some Marines from one of traitor legions whose loyalties are a bit unclear.

We know that Aaron Dembski-Bowden propably will write something about Night Lords and something about World Eaters.

wittdooley
01-12-2011, 08:06 AM
Ugh.... Not gav Thorpe.

Grailkeeper
01-12-2011, 08:56 AM
I know ADB is doing a meet 'n greet in GW Liffey St Dublin at the end of the month if any other Irish bols members wanna ask him HH related questions

isotope99
01-12-2011, 12:42 PM
The elephant in the room for the heresy series is the emperor himself. He's had a few lines in the more recent books, but we really know very little about him and his character.

Given that the final cataclysmic battle is between the emperor and horus (I don't think that counts as a spoiler ;)), I think the book of the last battle will be told in a time-skip/ flashback way (lost style) that has more scenes with horus and the emperor together before Horus' fall.

This could include scenes like where the emperor first discovers Horus, the battle for Ullanor and him handing over the title of Warmaster. Better still, I'd like them to provide some back story to Horus decision to turn against the emperor and some warning signs of the nature of his character.

Without this, there is going to be no emotional resonance to the final battle as horus and the emperor have barely met in the story so far and even then, its mostly third person re. Ullanor triumph.

MarneusCalgar
01-13-2011, 08:25 AM
I had thought that the wolves on fenris weren't warp entities, but were infact mutated humans. Thoughts?

Duke

Well, we always knew that Wulfen from the 13th Company were humans that didn´t adapt to the Canis Helix when outcoming into Space Wolves... And they became wolfmans.

Now Abnett sugests us that there were genetically modified animals to test Fenris´s climate and if humans could colonize it... Then this genetically modified beasts also had the Canis Helix? Then... Why the Emperor took it so secretly all those centuries??

AirHorse
01-15-2011, 09:30 AM
I was under the impression that what was implied was that a genetic experiment was carried out in eons long past to create men who could adapt to the climate on fenris. However the experiment had unforseen sideeffects resulting in the "wolves" of fenris.

This explains some of the crazy things that happen to space wolves since there is intermingling of different genetic experimentation.

But I am by no means a expert, thats just the impression I got :P

Bigred
01-18-2011, 11:45 AM
I want to know what John Grammaticus saw...that shook him so. That may be the biggest mystery yet in this whole series.

Renegade
01-18-2011, 12:56 PM
I wouldn't go counting the Iron Hands out yet didnt they team up with the loyalist Machicanicum to retake Mars?

What I am really waiting for is one of these to have a story line in where we get to see more in depth of Sigismund.

Laodamia
01-18-2011, 06:24 PM
I was under the impression that what was implied was that a genetic experiment was carried out in eons long past to create men who could adapt to the climate on fenris. However the experiment had unforseen sideeffects resulting in the "wolves" of fenris.

This explains some of the crazy things that happen to space wolves since there is intermingling of different genetic experimentation.

But I am by no means a expert, thats just the impression I got :P

I just finished reading "Prospero Burns" and there are some interesting elements on fenrisian wolves in it.

First of all, it is more or less clearly stated in the book that a Fenrisian Wolf can be a mutated SW. For instance, (warning, spoilers ahead) we discover that Brom, a normal human fenrisian is turned into a fenrisian wolf (probably during a failure in the biological process of becoming a SW).
Thus, we could guess that it is also the case for all other fenrisian wolves: they could all be space wolves recruits that suffered extreme mutation during the process of becoming a battle brother.

However, I can see two main problems in this theory:
1/ There were fenrisian wolves before the arrival of SW on the planet (Leman Russ was raised by Fenrisian wolves).
2/ If all Fenrisian Wolves are mutated SM, then where do the female wolves of this species come from (remember, Leman Russ was adopted and raised by a She Wolf)?

Hence, I guess fenrisian Wolves could be mutated humans AND astartes, as Airhorse said.

Lord Lorne Walkier
01-21-2011, 06:57 AM
However, I can see two main problems in this theory:
1/ There were fenrisian wolves before the arrival of SW on the planet (Leman Russ was raised by Fenrisian wolves).



I think the Emperor set up the gene pool on Fenris well before the Arrival of the Primarchs. It was his plan that Russ land there. The locals could have been turning into wolves for thousands of years.

Baron Spikey
01-21-2011, 11:53 AM
Or maybe the saga of Leman Russ being raised by Wolves is just a tall tale- primitive civilisations are renowned for a certain 'embroidery' of their heroes' pasts (hell we still do it with all the b.s we all spout :p)

energongoodie
01-26-2011, 06:40 AM
I wouldn't go counting the Iron Hands out yet didnt they team up with the loyalist Machicanicum to retake Mars?

I agree. As the first Primarch to die ( not including the unknown 2 ) Ferrus Manus deserves a book. Personally, I want his story fleshed out most of all. I'd like to learn why cybernetic enhancement became so important in the legion, how he got his Metal arms, was it a c'tan and what weapons did he make for his brothers.
I just want more Iron Hands generally.