Anyone else a little bit sick of Dark Eldar [Archive] - BoLS Lounge : Wargames, Warhammer & Miniatures Forum

Farseer Uthiliesh

11-01-2010, 06:13 AM

I know its nice they finally got their chance after 12 years or so, and everybody appreciates a change from marines, but it seems like every where I these days its more on the dark eldar- most of it recycled.

I'm beginning to get dark eldar fatigue- bring on the Necrons/ GKS

No one is forcing you to read the articles or threads. Plus, it's not as if most of the articles are about the Dark Eldar; just as many are about Space Marines. So, I don't think there's too much. Why not create threads of your own about what you like?

Anyway, I'm glad the DE are getting some attention after the long wait. :)

Mal

11-01-2010, 06:40 AM

+1

Its your chopice what you read, if you choose to read numerous articles about an army you obviously don't play then what were you expecting to happen?

Heres a task for you to put things into perspective...

Add up all the DE articles over the last 12 years... then add up all the space marine articles... the ratio should be somewhere around 100,000:1

Grailkeeper

11-01-2010, 07:19 AM

Fair enough, I know when I'm alone.

Defenestratus

11-01-2010, 07:24 AM

You aren't alone. I'm getting sick of it too. I was sick of reading about IG when that codex came out.

Deciding not to click on a story is fine - except that 90% of the stories (a gross estimate) on the front page are now about DE. Deciding not to click on them means that I'm not reading the blog period. It makes my web surfing, work procrastination very boring.

Personally, the very low numbers of people who are going to play DE doesn't warrant all the coverage they're getting. Maybe its just me, but nobody at the LGS seems to be picking up the DE codex that didn't play them before.

eldargal

11-01-2010, 07:27 AM

I count 18 articles on BolS front page and only one is about Dark Eldar.:p

DrLove42

11-01-2010, 07:37 AM

I count 18 articles on BolS front page and only one is about Dark Eldar.:p

As opposed to normal where its 50% space marines varients 25% warmachine and 15% fluff...

I'm loving the love my dark pointy eared kindred are getting, beats the hell out of generic marines and flavoured marines all the time. But give it time and it will swing back to being all about a marine army painted a slightly different colour getting all the attention...

Defenestratus

11-01-2010, 07:42 AM

I count 18 articles on BolS front page and only one is about Dark Eldar.:p

It was a lot worse earlier in October.

Fair enough. Its gone now.

Mandor

11-01-2010, 08:03 AM

This thread must be the reason GW releases a Space Puppy codex every other 40k release. Really, if people start whining about a few posts dedicated to the biggest release in GW history...

Bigred

11-01-2010, 08:05 AM

Oh, come on, let the little pointy eared perverts have thier moment in the sun. It could be worse. Remember 2 months ago when all we had to write about was Fantasy??? Ugg...

We'll be on to Grey Knights soon enough then the Marine-centric harmony of the universe will be restored. :)

Grailkeeper

11-01-2010, 08:21 AM

Gray knights then necrons- Yay for sellers of boltgun metal.

Necron_Lord

11-01-2010, 09:01 AM

I'm really excited about the DE release and love all the attention they are now garnering. There is no DE movie coming out, there aren't a sht load of Black Library books exaggerating the martial prowess of DE. There aren't multiple video games where DE are the only race you can play for the single player narrative campaigns. DE were only in one boxed edition of the game, unlike all of them for SM.

Lock your doors, board up the windows and hide because the Dark Eldar are coming for you!

P.S. - I'm really looking forward to the Necron release as well, but seriously, seven of the 16 playable armies (excluding Kroot mercenaries) are MEQ, how could you want even more of them.

BuFFo

11-01-2010, 09:13 AM

I know its nice they finally got their chance after 12 years or so, and everybody appreciates a change from marines, but it seems like every where I these days its more on the dark eldar- most of it recycled.

I'm beginning to get dark eldar fatigue- bring on the Necrons/ GKS

Nope.

Been waiting roughly 5 years for a new book. Had to deal with Marine book after Marine book after Marine book to get to here.

All you guys are going to take another few months of DE getting shoved down your throats and like it.

Anyway, even when Necrons and GKs get released, whats stopping you form saying the SAME thing about them?

MaltonNecromancer

11-01-2010, 01:28 PM

After the tedium of a summer of WHFB?!

I mean seriously, if you like WHFB, more power to you, it looks like a great game, and some of the models are lovely, but sweet mercy - fed up to the back teeth of it after months and months. I personally hate every fantasy setting ever (and yes, I do fully appreciate the irony that 40K is just fantasy in space. I can't reconcile it, and after 22 years of trying, there's no way I ever will).

Tolkein leaves me cold, anything with the word "elvish" near it brings me out in a fit of rage, etc, etc...

But you know, the key word is "personally". It's just my view, and it really is irrelevant to anyone but me.

You're sick of DE?

Give it a couple of weeks, it'll blow over for the next 12 years. Seriously, the wait the DE fans have had to put up with is a joke that got old five years ago. Let them have their month in the sun; they've earned it.

Farseer Uthiliesh

11-01-2010, 01:59 PM

Personally, the very low numbers of people who are going to play DE doesn't warrant all the coverage they're getting. Maybe its just me, but nobody at the LGS seems to be picking up the DE codex that didn't play them before.

Unless you are in the store constantly watching what customers do, it's difficult to make the call that nobody is looking at the DE codex (nor does that imply no one will be purchasing). At the moment, the DE are bestsellers at a number of websites.

DrLove42

11-01-2010, 03:09 PM

Think about it. Whats actually been released this year? I might be forgetting something...

Nids, Blood Angels, Space Wolves. And next are GK. 3 Marine chapters in one year. A xenos player can go years without a book....Tau, Eldar, both Dark and Craftworld, Necrons especially whereas a marines player gets 2-3 new codexs a year, based on how many people just go "oh i count as Space Wolves today".

Its a little sad that people are complaining about GW's arguably biggest launch in a long time because it overshadows the power armour brigade for a few weeks. Part of me wouldn't be suprised if the 6th Edition box set was marines vs marines...

BuFFo

11-01-2010, 03:31 PM

Part of me wouldn't be suprised if the 6th Edition box set was marines vs marines...

:D :D

You just made me sh!t my pants.... !!!!

HAHAHAHHAHHA

Imagine ULtramarines versus Black Templars/Space Wolves/Blood Angels/Dark Angels!

Nice to see GW needs 4 separate Marine armies to encapsulate the single army idea of Close Combat.

When do we get 4 different Tyranid Hive Fleet codices to match?

Joyous_Oblivion

11-01-2010, 03:37 PM

This thread must be the reason GW releases a Space Puppy codex every other 40k release. Really, if people start whining about a few posts dedicated to the biggest release in GW history...

This made me lol, no way in hell Dark Eldar will be their biggest release in history.

Defenestratus

11-01-2010, 04:19 PM

Please note that I currently own aroundabouts 25,000 pts in Eldar and would very much love for them to get a new book and all the chit chat that goes with them. (I personally feel that they need fundamental, overhauling and characteristic-altering redo)

Would I complain about all the Eldar articles? Probably. Variety is the space of life. I'd also complain about being forced to eat filet mignon every night. (Imagine my cholesterol! My wife/doctor would be apoplectic.)

TBH, I get sick of all the damn Blood Angels posts and I've got a small Blood angels force sitting in the corner here. Probably because I disagree with 99% of them :P

However, its a "blog" site and therefore, its necessary to talk about the FOTM. DE are the FOTM but I think in a years' time, you'll see just as many DE players as you did before the redo. They'll just not be as annoyingly complainant.

DrLove42

11-01-2010, 04:22 PM

This made me lol, no way in hell Dark Eldar will be their biggest release in history.

Actually it is. They've never really re-designed an entire line, stopped selling all the old models and altered the fluff heavily. Until they make a marines launch that they re-design everything, change all the rules and re-write the fluff DE are the biggest.

Maybe not in terms of money taken, or amount of people who will buy in but this is the biggest

chromedog

11-01-2010, 05:12 PM

I'm more sick of all of the chaos space wolf and blood angel bandwagon jumpers than of the DE players.

At least the codex hoppers need to come up with a better reason how the DE codex better fits their spiky marines than any of the SM codices now.

Sister Rosette Soulknyt

11-01-2010, 08:22 PM

Why is it when ever we get a new codex release someone starts stomping around and holding their breath screaming "make it stop"??

Seriously DE deserve a codex with those lame looking miniatures thet were forced to own, that Archon guy in no way had a head that big.

Yet look at it this way, in a month or two you can jump back on here and rant all ocver again when GK's or what ever GW brings out and these and every other forum lights up with threads tooled to the new codex.
Its like this, if you dont like reading all the DE threads..dont read them.

Me i find it interesting to read, so i know what to expect for my army to battle them, learning that such unit has such powers.
We understand your wanting more variety, but please let people have there DE threads, or all we get left with i a bunch of SM threads again.

rle68

11-03-2010, 09:36 PM

Nope.

Been waiting roughly 5 years for a new book. Had to deal with Marine book after Marine book after Marine book to get to here.

All you guys are going to take another few months of DE getting shoved down your throats and like it.

Anyway, even when Necrons and GKs get released, whats stopping you form saying the SAME thing about them?

Preach brother preach!!!

DrBored

11-03-2010, 11:13 PM

I get sick of anything that's the feature of the month when it comes to GW.

The thing you have to realize is that, like video games and movies, there's a hype-buildup that occurs, and the longer the hype goes for, the more people that know about it and can spread it around to people that might not otherwise know about it (like, that live in caves).

I got sick of Scott Pilgrim, Halo: Reach, and especially Warhammer Fantasy.. and I bought into one of those (guess which one and win an Internet). I get sick of holidays months before they happen because stores advertise for them months in advance! I really really really got sick of the recent political campaigning in the US, the calls to my house with automated messages, and all the spam mail.

It's easy to get sick of these things when advertisers, bloggers, what have you go on and on and on about something. By the time the thing is actually released, it's easy to just throw up your hands and hate it before you even try it, and nobody can really blame you for getting sick of Dark Eldar when your real passion lies elsewhere.

To all of you people trying to compare this to all the Space Marine Codices that have (and invariably will be) released, imagine it like this... You love chocolate, and 10 months out of the year advertisers advertise chocolate and stores stock chocolate and everyone talks about chocolate and it's all good. Then for 2 months straight you have to sit around a table with people that only want to talk vanilla, only want to eat vanilla, and want to force you to eat vanilla too. Even if the other 10 months are awesome chocolate, 2 months of vanilla is going to suck. The human psyche can only take so much.

I personally am ecstatic for the Dark Eldar. I've been playing and building Chaos Marines since 5th edition came out and they're really starting to show their age. I'm eager for a change of pace. The benefits of DE for me are threefold.. 1. Few other people will play them for very long, so I'll have a special army that will be much more interesting to play than just another Space Marine army, so hopefully more people will want to play against me for the fun! 2. I can make a FLUFF list be competitive! This is something Chaos hasn't seen in a while... 3. I can take more varied options instead of just spamming one thing like Chaos has to do! and 4. Wyches are sexy.

BuFFo

11-03-2010, 11:43 PM

To all of you people trying to compare this to all the Space Marine Codices that have (and invariably will be) released, imagine it like this... You love chocolate, and 10 months out of the year advertisers advertise chocolate and stores stock chocolate and everyone talks about chocolate and it's all good. Then for 2 months straight you have to sit around a table with people that only want to talk vanilla, only want to eat vanilla, and want to force you to eat vanilla too. Even if the other 10 months are awesome chocolate, 2 months of vanilla is going to suck. The human psyche can only take so much.

The hypocrisy and irony in this quote is so astounding my eyes have started to bleed. :eek:

I personally am ecstatic for the Dark Eldar. I've been playing and building Chaos Marines since 5th edition came out and they're really starting to show their age. I'm eager for a change of pace. The benefits of DE for me are threefold.. 1. Few other people will play them for very long, so I'll have a special army that will be much more interesting to play than just another Space Marine army, so hopefully more people will want to play against me for the fun! 2. I can make a FLUFF list be competitive! This is something Chaos hasn't seen in a while... 3. I can take more varied options instead of just spamming one thing like Chaos has to do! and 4. Wyches are sexy.

Wait, what?

Didn't you just explain how much the people who like vanilla are complete tools, yet here you are enjoying vanilla? I thought vanilla sucked for you??? :confused: :confused:

DrBored

11-04-2010, 12:00 AM

I'm just that special Buffo.

You see... I like vanilla... AND chocolate!

BuFFo

11-04-2010, 12:03 AM

I'm just that special Buffo.

You see... I like vanilla... AND chocolate!

Oh, my god.... I was just about to sleep, but now you got me all hot and bothered....

ROBOT HOUSE!!!!!!!

DrBored

11-04-2010, 12:13 AM

Oh, my god.... I was just about to sleep, but now you got me all hot and bothered....

ROBOT HOUSE!!!!!!!

Keep it in your pants.

Back on topic, I stand by what I say. Most other hobbies, like crafts and video games, often don't have 2-4 month long periods where the status-quo is put on hold for something completely different. We're only idiot humans, it's impossible NOT to complain about something interrupting our comfort zones.

So don't bash on the complainer. Let him complain. Venting is a good way to relieve stress, especially on forums where everyone will tear you an e-new one and you can ignore it!

Valkerie

11-04-2010, 03:07 AM

[QUOTEWe understand your wanting more variety, but please let people have there DE threads, or all we get left with i a bunch of SM threads again.[/QUOTE]

And if all we have are SM threads, we look like Bolter and Chainsword.

Personally, I'm looking forward to having a new codex for my Dark Ekdar degenerates.

It also gives me hope that when they finally get around to my other favorite army, the Sisters of Battle, it too will be full of awesome and make everyone say, "OMG! It's overpowered and broken!" ;)

miteyheroes

11-04-2010, 03:59 AM

Actually it is. They've never really re-designed an entire line, stopped selling all the old models and altered the fluff heavily. Until they make a marines launch that they re-design everything, change all the rules and re-write the fluff DE are the biggest.

Maybe not in terms of money taken, or amount of people who will buy in but this is the biggest

Actually they have re-designed entire lines, changed all the models and re-written the fluff before. Most notably the WFB 5th edition boxed game entirely revamped two whole armies, the Bretonnians and Lizardmen. Two races had their background heavily rewritten and their entire model range drastically changed. And this was in a boxed game, so there was also all the excitement of a new edition of the game.

miteyheroes

11-04-2010, 04:13 AM

I'd argue that 40k 3rd ed was probably the biggest GW release. Totally changing the way the game worked (no more different movement speeds for different models, no more to hit modifiers when shooting or save modifiers) whilst also introducing a whole new race? That's pretty big.

Or WFB 1st ed? Or 40k 1st ed? Or WFB 4th ed (first WFB boxed game) or 40k 2nd ed (first 40k boxed game)? Or Dark Millenium (which entirely changed how psykers worked in 40k 2nd ed)?

All of those were considerably bigger deals than the new DE codex release!

Melissia

11-04-2010, 05:11 AM

As compared to all the ****ing marinewank?

No.

Hell no.

Hell the **** no.

And also no.

Oh right, and by the way NO.

Renegade

11-04-2010, 05:40 AM

Yeah well, is there nothing new yet? DE were fine while still rumours, but they are old hat now they are out. Still waiting for the cries of broken though.

As to there being to many SM armies, the back ground is still mainly SM/IG vs Chaos equivalent, everyone else is just a side narrative.

Mal

11-04-2010, 06:47 AM

anyone who cries that the single most fragile army GW have ever released is broken because they can actually kill something deserves to be taken out back and shot.... repeatedly.

archimbald

11-04-2010, 11:30 AM

frankly i got annoyed that gw switched their coverage of DE online off so early

BuFFo

11-04-2010, 11:57 AM

Yeah well, is there nothing new yet? DE were fine while still rumours, but they are old hat now they are out. Still waiting for the cries of broken though.

You can't cry foul with balanced codices. Just can't be done intelligently.

See: Codex Tyranids.

Drew da Destroya

11-04-2010, 12:36 PM

frankly i got annoyed that gw switched their coverage of DE online off so early

I agree... I was excited when they had the 2 weeks during pre-order season... but then it was followed by a full week of Ultramarines, and then a bunch of random crap, and just now, 2 days prior to release, they're mentioning them again. I was hoping for some more articles!

Renegade

11-05-2010, 05:08 PM

You can't cry foul with balanced codices. Just can't be done intelligently. But woe betide the IG player that outs themselves on the webs.

This army has killed my footslogging BT list. If they become really popular in my area, I will have to go mech.

Old_Paladin

11-05-2010, 05:38 PM

But woe betide the IG player that outs themselves on the webs.

That's because many people find a difference between 'balanced' and what the guard do.
It's not that guard are 'overpowered' but that they are the ultimate generalists and specialists at the same time. Any aspect of the meta-game, the guard can do and do well.

But back to the main topic:
I don't mind all the focus.
Every army goes through the "OMG..." frenzy. How could I mind this anymore then I mind the 'nid release or the wolf release. It's nice to see something new every few months.
This army though; as we've seen next to nothing for so long, I'm soaking up all I can before they're left forgotten after Grey Knights come out (just like what happened to Blood Angels right now).

Doomgrin

11-06-2010, 10:51 PM

Denzark

11-07-2010, 02:46 AM

I was genuinely ready to hate these guys. What I found uber tedious was that the people who stuck by their old codex, with the crappest range of models in the entire GW catalogue (including fantasy), seemed to think that just because they were niche, any win at all meant that they were some sort of elite players. And every post relating to a new codex could be relied upon to attract a 'but DE haven't had an upgrade for a squillion years' post.

Now, for me the worm has turned.

1. The models are now gorgeous. I hope the feminists are pleased with the female bodies because I think its the best GW have done.

2. If enough FOTM bandwagon jumpers get on board, its a new, non-MEQ foe for me to smash around.

3. They're close combat devils. Awesome! My Worldeaters won't have as far to walk to take skulls.

4. They're brittle T3-ers. Hooray! If I get first turn my 11 tanks in 1500pts Mech IG will blast them into oblivion (I conceed the same might be true the other way round).

Although I envy complex rules that give individuality to an Army (I refer to pain tokens - I will happily biatch and moan that this sort of character was lost with the old CSM codex) in all they are a good thing for the hobby, as it also means one codex down til something REALLY interesting like GK or Necrons comes around.

I await stats to see that in 85% of games where the DE don't get 1st turn, that they lose.

V/R,

Denzark

Mal

11-07-2010, 04:10 AM

Denzark

11-07-2010, 11:02 AM

Well for me its been 100% win when going first or second, you just have to play to your armies strengths and not be afraid of hiding things in reserve.

Few armies are true gunlines, so going second doesn't mean you'll be out of combat for longer, it means you will just be left with whatever targets become avaliable as your opponent advances.

Mal your signature says you have 2 wins. That means you have gone once first and once second. Whilst I concede your 100% this is hardly statistically kosher...

Mal

11-09-2010, 08:00 AM

no it simply means im too lazy to update my sig... its actually 12 wins so far... :p

perhaps I aught to go update it...

BuFFo

11-09-2010, 01:06 PM

no it simply means im too lazy to update my sig... its actually 12 wins so far... :p

perhaps I aught to go update it...

You typed that out hours ago...

Update it you lazy bum! Or do you need your slaves to do it?

silashand

11-09-2010, 06:00 PM

No, I'm not.:p Its been the most highly anticipated release since, well, I don't know when

Absolutely. I have been waiting for DE for years and the new stuff IMO is just plain great. JMO though...

Cheers, Gary

Melissia

11-09-2010, 06:25 PM

Yeah, seriously, stop whining and let the DE get their months to shine before we get another MEQ codex in spring.

DarkLink

11-09-2010, 08:44 PM

Yeah, people spend all their time complaining about how GW does too many SM codices, and so they go update the oldest xenos codex only for people to complain "enough DE, let's get back to the SMs!"

Flammenwerfer13

11-09-2010, 10:26 PM

Fair enough, I know when I'm alone.

I am!

Grailkeeper

11-11-2010, 12:10 PM

To be fair when I started this thread it seemed like literally everything was dark eldar. its now died off a bit now and has a fair number of dark eldar articles, so this does not represent my views anymore

As compared to all the ****ing marinewank?

No.

Hell no.

Hell the **** no.

And also no.

Oh right, and by the way NO.

Is a bit of a straw man arguement when I specifically metioned everyone likes a break from marines

Melissia

11-11-2010, 02:50 PM

Grailkeeper

11-11-2010, 07:42 PM

the internet is serious buisness

L192837465

11-12-2010, 02:27 PM

JxKxR

11-12-2010, 02:38 PM

Saucer of milk, table two!

Rawr!

I don't know why but this comment hit my funny bone hard! I can't stop chuckling.

Daemonette666

11-30-2010, 12:42 AM

No, it isn't a strawman. Because Emperor knows that if they ain't talking about Dark Eldar they're going to be talking about Blood Angels, or Space Wolves, or Space Marines, or what about the lack of Dark Angels / Black Templar rumors, or what's going to come up next with Grey Knights.

The Dark Eldar need their time to shine. Period. Quit whining, it never was true that every single article is about them.
Agreed, Dark eldar have not been looked at for a very long time, and now that they have the new codex and the first of two miniature releases, the DE players from way back want to get some recognition for their patience. I do not collect Dark Eldar by bthe way, and do no think I will. They do not fit into my style of gaming and tactics.

And yes there are still have people starting treads about Space wolves and Blood Angels, Eldar, Imperial Guard, and Necrons particularly rumours of a new release codex because of the Forge World Miniature recently released. It is just that the Dark Eldar are in the spotlight at this moment. The next codex to come out will have its turn to shine, then everyone will be sick of it. So what else is new. Do what I generally do. Ignore and not even bother to read the threads discussing them.

For example, I have not even bothered to look at the 45 games with Dark Eldar thread, because there are too many replies, and that means possibly too many heated discussions. A thing I want to avoid getting involved in. I got fed up with all the Blood Angels stuff, but bit my lip. I just gloated internally knowing that I have now beaten 6 Blood Angels players (2 veteran), and drawn once (veteran) using my Chaos Space Marines. I find Imperial Guard mechanised Armies more of a threat, and harder to beat.

Andadding onto a previous posting - make that a giant bowl of warm milk with 3 straws.

Dellamorte

12-24-2010, 07:03 PM

My only stress about the DE fluff is that everything seems rehash of either Hellraiser or Night Breed. Nevertheless, finally another xeno book... this is good. Now if BL could start writing more books for them. I mean where is the Ork "Warboss's Story of the Waaagh"?

WE NEED T'GET TINGS MO' ORKY!

BuFFo

12-24-2010, 10:04 PM

my only stress about the de fluff is that everything seems rehash of either hellraiser or night breed. Nevertheless, finally another xeno book... This is good. Now if bl could start writing more books for them. I mean where is the ork "warboss's story of the waaagh"?

We need t'get tings mo' orky!

Rise from your grave!!!!

Dellamorte

12-25-2010, 10:34 AM

Rise from your grave!!!!

Once was geek chic, twice is insulting.
Its actually from the movie Delamore Delamorte.

Now back to topic.

Brass Scorpion

01-02-2011, 09:43 PM

it seems like every where I these days its more on the dark eldar- most of it recycled.Yeah, the Dark Eldar have had a huge amount of non-stop attention for the past 12 years, I'm sure everyone is totally exhausted from hearing about them ad nauseum all that time. Seriously, the range gets a few weeks worth of attention out of 12 years devoted to everything else but and someone's complaining about it? If ever there was a signature case of cognitive dissonance in 40K discussions, this has got to be it. LOL.

This thread must be the reason GW releases a Space Puppy codex every other 40k release. Really, if people start whining about a few posts dedicated to the biggest release in GW history...A voice of reason out of the grim darkness that is the collective fan base of the 41st millennium.