New Chaos God

[JxKxR]

So I was wondering if there were a fifth Chaos God what would he be all about? Khorne is all about anger and bloodshed, Slannesh is all about pain and pleasure, Nurgle is rot and decay, and Tzentch is time and change. I've been trying to come up with some sin worthy of a chaos god that isn't allready filled by another but just cant come up with one. I first thought of greed but isn't greed the reason you turn to chaos in the first place? Any way I know there has to be something I just can't think of it.

[Aldramelech]

Bloodystuck, The God of kitchen utensils stuck in kitchen draws, drives people insane and drives them to the dark powers by getting the pizza slice stuck so you cant get the bloody draw open.

[Drew da Destroya]

It'd be Malal, the hated outcast god of Chaos-against-Chaos.

Except then GW would quickly hide his existence, since they don't actually have the rights to him!

[Grailkeeper]

theres teh spiky bits gods

Ans'l, Mo'rcck and Phraz-Etar

Based on my online warhammer expierences there should be a god of trolling. Firstus or something similar

[JxKxR]

It'd be Malal, the hated outcast god of Chaos-against-Chaos.

Except then GW would quickly hide his existence, since they don't actually have the rights to him!

Yeah but Malal sucks chaos-against-chaos is just regular old chaos. Lets just pretend he never existed. like squats.

[Duncndisorderly]

Dale Winton?

[Koppenflak]

Yeah, there's a fifth chaos god already... Goes by the name Jervis Johnson. Most infamous act, of course, being the slaying of the Overfiend Andy Chambers.

[The Madman]

It'd be Malal, the hated outcast god of Chaos-against-Chaos.

Except then GW would quickly hide his existence, since they don't actually have the rights to him!

if the BL books count then it would be Malice, as in the book "heroes of the imperium" one of the stories is about the sons of malice undertaking a survival test that they do to join the doomed ones, one they get 11 doomed ones they are able to bring their god Malice back into reality so they can take their homeworld back from the imperium.


And here He stood, gazing with eyes of fire - the Renegade god, the Outcast. the Lost, Hierarch of Anarchy and Terror...
...Malice.

[cobra6]

And "Malice" is of course just a very thinly veiled update to Malal, who shared his exact traits, among other clues.

Perhaps there could be a chaos god of apathy, laziness, and sloth? His followers and daemons wouldn't be very formidable in battle, though..

[JxKxR]

And "Malice" is of course just a very thinly veiled update to Malal, who shared his exact traits, among other clues.

Perhaps there could be a chaos god of apathy, laziness, and sloth? His followers and daemons wouldn't be very formidable in battle, though..

You just have to give them rules to represent them properly. You could say when they get charged the normal movement is sliced in half so your 6" is reduced to 3". You could also take away the opponents special abilities that rely on there faith. You could also have some sort of shooting attack that takes away stats instead of wounds. Making up rules is fun and easy.

*EDIT*

Reading over this I realize I would hate to fight against that army. I would be persistently cursing the god of weed.

[eldargal]

People always forget about Khornes little sister, Mhaize.

[L192837465]

People always forget about Khornes little sister, Mhaize.

And his cousin Creame.

[Porty1119]

The 5th Chaos god? It has to be Cruddace...

[incenerate101]

If GW went with the Sloth and Laziness god they could do the rules like so:
take a bolter max range is 24" rapid fire at 12" without moving - for the followers of this god at max range they have normal stats ( meaning thier original stat line would be rather suckish ) and at 12" they dont get rapid fire but they double thier state line. and they get thier rapid fire at 6" rather then 12"

in close combat they could still charge the 6" but they take thier normal stat line ( the terrible one ) with no extra attacks for charging. but at 3" you double the stat line still with no extra attacks. BUT if they get charged they count as if they were charging because you pissed them off and made them fight so they get the extra attacks and doubled stat line.

thier initiative and leadership would be rather high because they are to lazy to run away.

I acually might try this out with my demons in a friendly game. :D

[Daemonette666]

So I was wondering if there were a fifth Chaos God what would he be all about? Khorne is all about anger and bloodshed, Slannesh is all about pain and pleasure, Nurgle is rot and decay, and Tzentch is time and change. I've been trying to come up with some sin worthy of a chaos god that isn't allready filled by another but just cant come up with one. I first thought of greed but isn't greed the reason you turn to chaos in the first place? Any way I know there has to be something I just can't think of it.
Here is one idea from left field. If Chaos gods are an echo or build up of energy in the aether realm harnessed from our emotions, then what about the emotions of loyalty, trust, honou. Wouldn't there be a God that represents these aspects?

A chaos god maybe not, but certainly such a god would have its own version of daemons - angels, arch angels, Angelic Pegasii steeds, etc. It may be a way to introduce Christians in to the game, as they have a Chaos god of Goodness, hope and Justice. I told you nit was an idea from waay out of left field. It does sound a stupid idea, but what the hey, it might work.

[cobra6]

I know it's an oversimplification, but I think they already have a warp-entity (ie. "chaos god") composed of humanity's faith, honor, loyalty, and goodness. His name is The Emperor.

(I have a feeling this discussion is about to get a little interesting..)

[JxKxR]

Alright so here’s what I think is up with the emperor since cobra6 brought it up.

So the emperor saw that slannesh was brought about by the decedent ways of the eldar. Such a high content of the same basic emotions clumped together in the warp and brought about a chaos god. So the emperor sees this and thinks if he can inspire enough faith, honor, and justice in humanity then he could create a god. So he goes about bringing humanity together in combat against the enemies of humanity because that is the best way to bring humanity together. He then wants to harness that faith, honor, and all good stuff so he can be the god when enough has been accumulated. He's got to have some sort of machine to make sure he collects the emotions so he has the golden throne made. He has to be hooked up to this machine so that the emotions get tied to him and don't just create some random entity. How does he inspire faith by sitting on a throne all the time? He has to be mortally wounded in a most epic way so here comes Horus to fulfill his destiny. Now the emperor can sit back and collect his faith. The golden throne is not failing it's finishing the download.

[Daemonette666]

Alright so here’s what I think is up with the emperor since cobra6 brought it up.

So the emperor saw that slannesh was brought about by the decedent ways of the eldar. Such a high content of the same basic emotions clumped together in the warp and brought about a chaos god. So the emperor sees this and thinks if he can inspire enough faith, honor, and justice in humanity then he could create a god. So he goes about bringing humanity together in combat against the enemies of humanity because that is the best way to bring humanity together. He then wants to harness that faith, honor, and all good stuff so he can be the god when enough has been accumulated. He's got to have some sort of machine to make sure he collects the emotions so he has the golden throne made. He has to be hooked up to this machine so that the emotions get tied to him and don't just create some random entity. How does he inspire faith by sitting on a throne all the time? He has to be mortally wounded in a most epic way so here comes Horus to fulfill his destiny. Now the emperor can sit back and collect his faith. The golden throne is not failing it's finishing the download.
Sounds like a cool theory. I am sure a few of the pro Imperial scum will vehemently argue with this, but so what, it is a fun theory.

Slaanesh Rules by the way.

[DarkDesigner]

So I was wondering if there were a fifth Chaos God what would he be all about? Khorne is all about anger and bloodshed, Slannesh is all about pain and pleasure, Nurgle is rot and decay, and Tzentch is time and change. I've been trying to come up with some sin worthy of a chaos god that isn't allready filled by another but just cant come up with one. I first thought of greed but isn't greed the reason you turn to chaos in the first place? Any way I know there has to be something I just can't think of it.

There's a god that really took my interest a couple of years ago, sadly I've looked around and someone has taken down a lot of the info I found on him on wikipedia, but there's still a little about him on Lexicanum:

http://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/Necoho

Necoho is the god of atheism - he is made stronger when people have a crises of faith, or outrightly refuse to believe in the existance of Gods and daemons (I imagine he grew very powerful during the Great Crusade). Of course this does mean that if someone starts believing in him he gets weaker, meaning he can't really have any human followers, and if he were to have an army of daemons manifest it would instantly disappear as soon as anyone recognised them for what they were...

Still, I loved the idea of the anti-religion religion, and started working on a daemon army of Necoho, sadly it never got past the first couple of units and is in a box in storage somewhere, but maybe I'll break them out again another day :)

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

You're the God of Threadomancy. Hahaha! :p

[DarkDesigner]

You're the God of Threadomancy. Hahaha! :p

Oh yeah, I love resurrecting old arguments. Just been looking around to make sure stuff I want to bring up hasn't been done to death already - and when it has, I bump it anyway...

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Legend! :D

[mjasghar]

Alright so here’s what I think is up with the emperor since cobra6 brought it up.

So the emperor saw that slannesh was brought about by the decedent ways of the eldar. Such a high content of the same basic emotions clumped together in the warp and brought about a chaos god. So the emperor sees this and thinks if he can inspire enough faith, honor, and justice in humanity then he could create a god. So he goes about bringing humanity together in combat against the enemies of humanity because that is the best way to bring humanity together. He then wants to harness that faith, honor, and all good stuff so he can be the god when enough has been accumulated. He's got to have some sort of machine to make sure he collects the emotions so he has the golden throne made. He has to be hooked up to this machine so that the emotions get tied to him and don't just create some random entity. How does he inspire faith by sitting on a throne all the time? He has to be mortally wounded in a most epic way so here comes Horus to fulfill his destiny. Now the emperor can sit back and collect his faith. The golden throne is not failing it's finishing the download.

Actually the way I see it is this. Emp is the ultimate instinctual Farseer. He is linked to a future God of Humanity (one that is actually tolerant of some xenos perhaps but with Humanity dominant) by being the seed of that god.
So he gets future echoes that tell him : at this time do this , knowing that if it doesn't happen Humanity will end up dead. Everything he does furthers the cause of creating that god, even though he himself doesn't know it. At least until he 'dies' and part of his soul goes on to join that greater gestalt. Until then he is still likmited. That's why he has to be GIVEN the revelation in Outcast Dead. Yet once he has it, he accepts it.
Bit of kicker for him - he sees he has to keep Primarchs ignorant of chaos, yet that leads them to being corrupted. And he sees that he had to do that only afterwards.

[Wildeybeast]

Alright so here’s what I think is up with the emperor since cobra6 brought it up.

So the emperor saw that slannesh was brought about by the decedent ways of the eldar. Such a high content of the same basic emotions clumped together in the warp and brought about a chaos god. So the emperor sees this and thinks if he can inspire enough faith, honor, and justice in humanity then he could create a god. So he goes about bringing humanity together in combat against the enemies of humanity because that is the best way to bring humanity together. He then wants to harness that faith, honor, and all good stuff so he can be the god when enough has been accumulated. He's got to have some sort of machine to make sure he collects the emotions so he has the golden throne made. He has to be hooked up to this machine so that the emotions get tied to him and don't just create some random entity. How does he inspire faith by sitting on a throne all the time? He has to be mortally wounded in a most epic way so here comes Horus to fulfill his destiny. Now the emperor can sit back and collect his faith. The golden throne is not failing it's finishing the download.

Only problem is the throne is designed for Magnus, not the Emperor.

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

Me and Tom are working on an alternate Heresy where Magnus does take the Throne.

[DarkDesigner]

Me and Tom are working on an alternate Heresy where Magnus does take the Throne.

It does seem to me like a huge part of the Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor had just been a little more forthcoming with his sons.

To Magnus at Nikaea: "Look, I have this big chair at home for you to sit in, and I was going to give it to you as a graduation present, but if you keep playing with the warp kids in the reality next door, I'm gonna take it back to the store. Oh and I'm stopping your pocket money."

To Lorgar and Guilliman at Monarchia: "Guilliman, stop being a dick to your little brother. And Lorgar, to tell you the truth, I am a God, but people need to work it out for themselves, that's the point of faith. Have a lolly pop."

To all his sons at Ullanor: "My sons, we still have much conquering to do, but unfortunately there's a massive Eldar portal under the imperial palace and it's starting to leak daemons and shiz, oh yeah by the way religion is real. LATERZ."

[Wildeybeast]

It does seem to me like a huge part of the Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor had just been a little more forthcoming with his sons.

To Magnus at Nikaea: "Look, I have this big chair at home for you to sit in, and I was going to give it to you as a graduation present, but if you keep playing with the warp kids in the reality next door, I'm gonna take it back to the store. Oh and I'm stopping your pocket money."

To Lorgar and Guilliman at Monarchia: "Guilliman, stop being a dick to your little brother. And Lorgar, to tell you the truth, I am a God, but people need to work it out for themselves, that's the point of faith. Have a lolly pop."

To all his sons at Ullanor: "My sons, we still have much conquering to do, but unfortunately there's a massive Eldar portal under the imperial palace and it's starting to leak daemons and shiz, oh yeah by the way religion is real. LATERZ."

But then half of them would have gone off crusading into the Eye of Terror and that would be that for his plans.

[Jmaximum]

It'd be Malal, the hated outcast god of Chaos-against-Chaos.

Except then GW would quickly hide his existence, since they don't actually have the rights to him!

SOrry man, they already have one: The Emperor! *mind blown!*

[Tzeentch's Dark Agent]

It does seem to me like a huge part of the Heresy could have been avoided if the Emperor had just been a little more forthcoming with his sons.

To Magnus at Nikaea: "Look, I have this big chair at home for you to sit in, and I was going to give it to you as a graduation present, but if you keep playing with the warp kids in the reality next door, I'm gonna take it back to the store. Oh and I'm stopping your pocket money."

To Lorgar and Guilliman at Monarchia: "Guilliman, stop being a dick to your little brother. And Lorgar, to tell you the truth, I am a God, but people need to work it out for themselves, that's the point of faith. Have a lolly pop."

To all his sons at Ullanor: "My sons, we still have much conquering to do, but unfortunately there's a massive Eldar portal under the imperial palace and it's starting to leak daemons and shiz, oh yeah by the way religion is real. LATERZ."

That is virtually the path we've been going down, that, and he doesn't spirit Angron away from his fight.

[Jmaximum]

And "Malice" is of course just a very thinly veiled update to Malal, who shared his exact traits, among other clues.

Perhaps there could be a chaos god of apathy, laziness, and sloth? His followers and daemons wouldn't be very formidable in battle, though..

waitasec: "Malal' was really something in the 40K background fluff????

[Jmaximum]

Only problem is the throne is designed for Magnus, not the Emperor.
!O_O! wut? when did this come about?
and what was the revelation someone mentioned the emperor discovered in Outcast Dead???

@the Mod: sorry for multiple posts, just could not figure out how to cram multiple posts from different authors together.

[DarkDesigner]

But then half of them would have gone off crusading into the Eye of Terror and that would be that for his plans.

That is true, but then if he was more truthful and said to them "Look guys, you still can't exist in the warp til I've finished jury-rigging this webway, then we'll all go." Basically, lack of communication again.



That is virtually the path we've been going down, that, and he doesn't spirit Angron away from his fight.

I hadn't heard of this - I know there was a short story in one of the later compilation Heresy books, was this after he's been pulled out?


!O_O! wut? when did this come about?
and what was the revelation someone mentioned the emperor discovered in Outcast Dead???

@the Mod: sorry for multiple posts, just could not figure out how to cram multiple posts from different authors together.

I'm not a Mod, but I can help :) Hold down CTRL when you press quote and it should bring up a new tab instead of taking you away from the original thread. Do that for all the posts you want to quote and then paste them into the same box. Giggedy giggedy. Giggedy goo.

The throne reveal was in Thousand Sons if I remember right, if not then it was in Prospero Burns though I am fairly certain it was from the Thousand Sons version of things.

And I do hate giving spoilers but scroll down for a summation of Outcast Dead. I enjoyed this book more than I was expecting to so I would recommend giving it a read and there are more reveals in it than just this one.

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Ok, so one of the astropaths on Terra receives a vision of the big HH finale battle and it's outcome, but it's so huge that the knowledge of it basically kills her, so she locks it away deep in the repressed psyche of another astropath, whose mission it is to then get the vision to a mysterious golden individual to whom it pertains.

And that's as much as I'm going to spoil! Hope that explains what you were asking :)

[Jmaximum]

Very helpful stuff, thanks!