45 Games with Dark Eldar

[konate]

Oh I see what you mean now.

I will keep the jerking to a minimum then! :eek:

Yeah, it's best not to jerk on your figs. ;)

[Drew da Destroya]

you can bet your sweet *** that the tervigon will be 35 quid, or more. the swarm lord will probably be 30 quid. those bone arms you mention? plastic ones in the swarm lord box, seperate sprue, might be available seperatly a few months after the swarmlord release, but not until enough people have bought a swarm lord just for the bone swords.

Yes, but I doubt they'll sell nearly as well whenever they're released as they would've if released up front (instead of the Pyrovore, for example). While I'm sure plenty of people picked up the bugs when the book was released, I think a lot of people have dropped them entirely (due either to dislike of the book or 'net hate, or some other undefined reason). Thus, less potential sales.

Still, a plastic Tyrant with wings and lots of options would probably still sell like mad. It'd make a pretty sweet base for an Aberration, that's for sure!


The only reason the Venomthrope is maligned at all (and I don't know if I'd even go that far) is because of its status as an Elite choice and the need to compete with Hive Guard

Oh, I know why people dislike it... and pretty much any elites choice that isn't Hive Guard or Zoanthropes (sometimes the Doom and Deathleaper sneak in). The whole elites slot is a poorly designed mess, honestly.


Yeah, it's best not to jerk on your figs. ;)

Yeah, man. It tends to not go so so well. Totally ruins your figs.

[Uncle Nutsy]

Another thing you can do with the reavers is point them to cover before you turboboost.

And if you're feeling particularly ballsy, put them on top of a building at the end of that turboboost run.

[BuFFo]

New crap is up

1500 Cult/Coven'Cabal versus Ultramarines - Game 8 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/1500-kabalcultcoven-versus-ultramarines.html)

[newtoncain]

Thx 4 the report as always.:)
Off to bed (15k Apoc battle tomorrow):eek:

[scadugenga]

Nice batrep, Buffo.

And hell yes, please do this for yourself first, and the rest of us a far distant second.

Just seeing things in action helps me get a better understanding of how the DE gel.

[BuFFo]

Thx 4 the report as always.:)
Off to bed (15k Apoc battle tomorrow):eek:

Nice!

TAKE PICTURES!!!!

[newtoncain]

Nice!

TAKE PICTURES!!!!

I'm sure they will on this website in a few days(http://stcloudwargaming.com/). Last apoc in oct has several picts in the gallery.

Today xenous and Imperium tied.

It seems to me the side that goes 1st has a HUGE advantage.:(

[BuFFo]

New Video Battle Report is up!

1000 Hellion Gangers versus Dirty 'Ard Boyz - Game 19 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/1000-hellion-gangers-versus-orks.html)

[docbungle]

keep up the good work!!

Really enjoying this! Been really helpful for me a fledgling Drachon not a Archon yet :p

[scadugenga]

There are still Juggalos/ettes out there?

[newtoncain]

Thanks again for the report, keep them coming....:eek:

[BuFFo]

Thanks again for the report, keep them coming....:eek:

Will do boss!

And yes, there are TONS of Juggalos out there!

[BuFFo]

New battle is up!

500 Hellion Gangers versus Tau - Game 18 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/500-hellion-gangers-versus-tau-empire.html)

[newtoncain]

Thanks 4 the report Sir.


Tau seem to suck arse these days vs anyone. Let alone 500pts vs DE.

I know the Tau can do well if the player has mastered them, but most of the time they get assaulted to death.:(

[BuFFo]

Thanks 4 the report Sir.


Tau seem to suck arse these days vs anyone. Let alone 500pts vs DE.

I know the Tau can do well if the player has mastered them, but most of the time they get assaulted to death.:(

The Tau is an army I will get into eventually. I love that army, I really do.

[newtoncain]

The Tau is an army I will get into eventually. I love that army, I really do.

When I played them, I liked lots of Kroot (20 + Shaper + 4-6 hounds). 2-3 groops was fun (either as meat shields or out flanking).

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Buffo, I appreciate that you are giving a new-ish player some tips and concessions, that's good and makes for an enjoyable game for all. But I feel I should remind you that you're now Dark Eldar and that you should've shown his Fire Warriors extreme prejudice at the end, if only as to drag off some screamin' Smurfs back through the webway! Imagine the sneers on the rival Kabalite's faces as you return back from a realspace raid with no slaves!!! Heheheh, that was short and sweet, I've NEVER played a small skirmish like that, I reckon that could be fun to do at our club for a night. How long did the battle take in realtime?

[Sparfunk]

Yes, but I doubt they'll sell nearly as well whenever they're released as they would've if released up front (instead of the Pyrovore, for example). While I'm sure plenty of people picked up the bugs when the book was released, I think a lot of people have dropped them entirely (due either to dislike of the book or 'net hate, or some other undefined reason). Thus, less potential sales.



your probably entirely right on that point, they wont have the 'new army' buzz about them, but they will still get sales as cool figures, though possibly less as you suggest, and the pyrovore sucks and costs too much.

but! i was mainly getting at the whole 'theyre trying to stretch the products they can release for the army book out for as long as possible' thing, and keeping back some of the more exciting units helps that... if the army book release had had all the big things, trygon, plastic tyrant, tervigon etc, then the 2nd (and/or 3rd) wave releases would have looked pretty sucky with a pyrovore, the tentacles thing... and... some gargoyles?

[ColonelElibas]

and... some gargoyles?

Plastic Gargoyles are a godsent wrapped in a Hallelujiah Chant.

And on Topic:

I actually like how the Dark Eldar are and are even noted as being an advanced army for seasoned players (there's an actual addendum in the book!). They hit hard and die when sneezed upon.

Perhaps this type of thinking will be inoculated into the Grey Knight codex (bleh) and the Necron codex, and others; such as a Beginner Army, Intermediate, and Advanced.

Beginner: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, and Nids.
Intermediate: Guard, Eldar, Sisters
Advanced: Necrons, Grey Knights, Space Marine Chapters, Tau, Dark Eldar, Demons.

[Defenestratus]

I'd submit that Necrons are far from an advanced army. They can pretty much ignore 50% of the rules in the BRB.

[DarkLink]

I don't know if I'd put the SM Chapters in the advanced category. In fact, Space Wolves belong pretty firmly in the beginner category, and I don't know if BA are much better. They're pretty point-and-click. Same with Guard.

DA just have a subpar codex, as opposed to a really tough to use one, though Deathwing and Ravenwing are definitely intermediate at least.

In fact, the vanilla Sm codex is probably more difficult to use than BA or Space Wolves.

[Drew da Destroya]

Yeah, and I don't know if I'd class either the Blood Angels or the Space Wolves as "Advanced"... if anything, Vanilla is more advanced than they are.

But we probably don't need to nitpick Colonel's list, since it was a top-of-the-head thing. It would certainly be interesting if they started labeling codexes as you suggest, but I feel like the internet QQing would break all QQ records previously set...

"My army isn't Beginner! They're totally hard to play! WTF!?"

[BuFFo]

Beginner: Space Marines, Chaos Space Marines, Orks, and Nids.
Intermediate: Guard, Eldar, Sisters
Advanced: Necrons, Grey Knights, Space Marine Chapters, Tau, Dark Eldar, Demons.

I like your list. Here is my opinion on the various armies, taking into account the units within the army as well.


Beginner: Space Wolves, Blood Angels, Chaos Space marines, Orks, Imperial Guard
Intermediate: Eldar, Witch Hunters, Codex Space Marines, Black Templars, Demons
Expert: Dark Angels, Deamonhunters, Necrons, Tau, Dark Eldar

Beginner - Any army that is very forgiving when mistakes are made. Are able to field powerful units that must be directly countered to stand a chance of beating.

Intermediate - Armies that can make some mistakes, but not many. There may be powerful units, but these units can be countered much easier than the ones found in the Beginner armies.

Expert: Armies that cannot win if one or two major mistakes are made. These armies have one or no powerful units that can take on armies on their own. The transition to 5th edition has crippled these armies or rendered many of their rules basically worthless.

You Decide!
http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/you-decide-vassal-video-or-both.html

[Grailkeeper]

I prefer the Vassal reports myself, but its your blog do whats easiest for you.

Why do I like Vassal? it reminds me of the Old WD reports I used to read, and I find it easier to understand whats going on overall than in the video reports. A mix of the two would be great but would probably bee too much

Thinks I personally like in a battle report include when its told in a narrative i.e Guardsman Jenkins eviserated the Hive tyrant with a lucky blow rather than "i rolled three sixes to wound" but that Might not work too well with your experiment.

I like the style used by the FoW battle reports here and I think it might be possible to use short clips of video in a montage, the way they use individual photos, but I'm no artist so I leave it up to you. Keep up the good work

my $.02

[Sorrowshard]

Wassup , I must confess I have been lurking your reports as part of my research ...... whats the chances of seeing some Razorwings/Void ravens wheeled out ?

I'm currently debating weather to get a coupe of FW phoenix's or to hold out for the models, so I may not be conducting my own research for a while. :o(

Cheers

[Naielo]

hey i really enjoy your blog and have been reading all the posts i do prefer vassel to the videos they give you a better feeling of battlefield then the video does but i do find the videos entertaining aswell.

i also really like those venoms, and i would like to convert some for myself.

would it be possible for you to email me or post on your blog, some closeup detail shots of the model (front side rear). it would really help me out

Thanks
Naielo

[newtoncain]

I like vassel, but the video is better bang for the buck. 1 hr of work vs 8 for the same result.

Do the videos:cool:

[BuFFo]

would it be possible for you to email me or post on your blog, some closeup detail shots of the model (front side rear). it would really help me out

Thanks
Naielo

I'll post it up on my blog for you in a day or two.

If you want it now, just give me your email, or email me, and I'll send it to you instead of putting it up on my blog.

[Drew da Destroya]

I like the Vassal pictures better, since I can read those at work without having to slouch down in my chair so my headphones reach the PC... but I've been doing it anyway, so clearly it isn't a huge impediment to my slacking.

[Lockark]

I like vassel, but the video is better bang for the buck. 1 hr of work vs 8 for the same result.

Do the videos:cool:

I have to agree with this.

To throw in there. I have a hard time imagining what's happening in the vassal reports alot of times. Because the vassel reports are just aproxmiations of were everything was dureing the game.

Being able to see EXACTLY were the models are sitting, What kinda of terriean you were dealing with, and see the game progressing makes it easyer to follow the flow of the action. It also makes it easyer to understand why you make certine choices.


Especially in 5th ed since the models use TLOS, being able to see the accualy board helps alot.


Not to boot. Buffo accualy has a pretty good on-camera presence. It makes him more interesting to listen to then some other battle reports I have watched.
(I accualy like his more then a lot of the ones that get posted on the main sight.)

[scadugenga]

Buffo:

Fist: I appreciate the batreps--both in vassel and in vid format.

Both have their advantages: Vassel you get "time freeze" overhead of what happens each turn. So you can pause, analyze and dissect what happens. Video lets you see things as they're going down, which gives a better sense of action and honest reaction to what happened in each turn.

I don't have ADHD, and I find the fact that it takes 6 hours (iirc) to do a vassel report mind-numbing to contemplate. I guess there's a reason they only used to do one batrep a month in WD with the turn by turn diagrams.

And...you're not getting paid for this. Getting paid would be the only reason I'd see for doing vassel-time.

There's also the selfish side of things: You've been very clear about only doing these reports as long as they're fun. Vassel reports seem like they would sap the fun right out of them. Watching/reading the reports are not only informative, but also enjoyable.

I vote video.

[konate]

Vassal isn't hard at all. I'd imaging its documenting what was done in the turn that would be the hardest. And, that's easy if you have a video of it. Editing video can be a nightmare. ;)

[Duke]

I vote video... Vassal is neat and ideally you would do both, but if you choose one go video.

Duke

[DrLove42]

I vote video...with a brief text description as well...often don't get the chance to watch a 10 minute video, so some idea whats going on is nice

And keep the conclusion bits at the end. Your wise conclusions are great!

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Video for me - it's fun to see the players behind the games, the funny comments etc - what would be good is seeing some of those critical moments on camera - like that all important face-off between characters, game winning dice offs etc to get reactions from both Buffo and the opponent - for me those are the most satisfying moments of gaming! I'm also inspired to do this sort of reporting myself, it sure makes gaming more interesting to be involved in and share with fans across the globe.

So it's gotta be video Buffo!

[w7west]

Vassal for two reasons:

There are those of us who do not have the luxury of sound when patrolling the Internets (at work, in school, computer labs) and as such it is hard to gain any information about what happens in a video.

Vassal is much better at showing what happened during a turn, and for analyzing the choices for each unit at the end of each turn. It is very clear where things are in respect to each other since in a video it is not possible for the viewer to see the entire table and the relationships between units.

I understand vassal takes more time than a video, but vassal is a good way for not only your viewers to learn how units preform, but most of all for you Buffo. Vassal forces you to document exactly what each unit is doing each turn, their successes and their failures, so in fact you will be able to gain a great deal of knowledge that is likely to stick with you since you spent many hours dissecting each game.

[Dingareth]

I've been liking the Vassal ones more, it's clearer and it's easier to read while at work! :p

[Mandor]

Vassal, as it's the only option for me :(

I work at remote locations and logon to a terminal server from there. Have you ever tried to watch a video while logged on remotely on a terminal server? Even lack of sound's really not a problem in that case. In some cases, not even the BolS website will load, due to the embedded flash frames.

[BuFFo]

Thank you guys for your continuing support! This is for you all who have stood by me :)

500 Hellion Gangers versus Chaos Space Marines - Game 20 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/500-hellion-gangers-versus-chaos-space.html)

[newtoncain]

Thank you guys for your continuing support! This is for you all who have stood by me :)

500 Hellion Gangers versus Chaos Space Marines - Game 20 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/500-hellion-gangers-versus-chaos-space.html)

Again,
thanks for the video report (go video reports:cool:)

[Vepr]

Nice reports but depressing as a former nid player. Tyranids match up to dark eldar like they match up to other 5th edition armies, poorly.

[Cavscout]

I'm still winning more than I'm loosing with my nids, its just that I've wanted to play DE ever since i got back in the game a few years ago. Being an older player (think I started in 87) I had the patience to wait for new models and codex. I'm odd in that I won't play an army until its painted enough for table top standards. Almost there! Thanks for the battle reports Buffo.

[BuFFo]

I'm odd in that I won't play an army until its painted enough for table top standards. Almost there!

I wish I had 10% of your;

1) Standards

2) Work ethics



Thanks for the battle reports Buffo.

Thank you for being YOU!

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

I'm odd in that I won't play an army until its painted enough for table top standards.

I'm the same. Mind you, I paint fast - as I got 1,500 points of Dark Elves and Skaven done in 3 months.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

I used to be a lot like that, and still dislike fielding unpainted miniatures. BUT, when you have a unit that you really can't do without (Fateweaver sat behind a wall of plaguebearers, for example), I can bring myself to maybe just have him painted in slow stages...! Having said that, I couldn't field my FW GUO without putting the brush to paint! A lot of the guys at my gaming club literally NEVER paint their miniatures, so it's something I realised isn't totally essential to enjoy a game, but it does make it more enjoyable

[Drew da Destroya]

Most of my "Green 'orde" is plastic grey. At least most of my shootas/sluggas are painted to "tabletop standard", if not actually "good" or "done". So maybe 10% of my Orks are 75% done.

I've been better with my Dark Eldar so far... my 8 assembled Warriors (still testing to see if I want to build a Sybarite, and picking between cannon and lance) all have their armor mostly done (just need to do cloth and shoulders). They still need detail colors, and the one bare-headed one needs skin... and eyes. My Incubi are closer, with armor and cloth finished, I just need to paint the weapons, horns, and details... then finally glue them together. So 100% of my Dark Eldar are 50% done.

[konate]

How will you store your models? I looked at the Battlefoam custom foam and they have some for Raiders and Ravagers.

But, with that scythe on the bottom, I don't think its a good idea to place it in there standing up without the base. And, its pretty tall when you include the mast. So, I think I'll magnetize the mast, but there is still the base to worry about. Maybe you'll need to place it in on its side, but then you can't use the custom foam.

I take forever to paint. I paint pretty decently, but I don't like to paint my models entirely assembled if I can't get to all the parts when they are. I still have 20 partially painted Dire Avenger arms floating around armless DA. I've been known to play with unpainted figs, just not unassembled ones.

[BuFFo]

How will you store your models? I looked at the Battlefoam custom foam and they have some for Raiders and Ravagers. \

I order foam from one of the gazzilion foam manufacturers out there, and cut it myself at less than half the price of a 'foam store' like Battlefoam.

Just google 'foam' and merry christmas!


But, with that scythe on the bottom, I don't think its a good idea to place it in there standing up without the base. And, its pretty tall when you include the mast. So, I think I'll magnetize the mast, but there is still the base to worry about. Maybe you'll need to place it in on its side, but then you can't use the custom foam.

The masts are all magnetized on my vehicles, so I can jsut take them off.

I cut out little 'slits' in foam for the blades. The 'main' blade spot in the rear is magnetized, so I can stick chain snares on there when I need them.

[DarkLink]

Heck, we've got a furniture store that sells strips of foam 4" thick. For 40 bucks you get more foam than you will probably ever use. The only downside is that the smallest increment they sell at is $40.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

It's easier for me - I don't game anywhere I can't get to by car with a decent parking space nearby. So infantry go in cases and larger creatures just go in a box all snug like, and I drive carefully! I've never in 20 years of gaming had anything break beyond repair, so I'm not hugely worried if someone's arm comes off or a gun falls off here and there.

So Xmas coming up, who's hoping for what? After Xmas I will only need 4 Raiders and two boxes of Reavers from the first releases - I will probably have them all just in time for GW to release new models that I want, such as Scourges!

[BuFFo]

New Crap!

1500 Coven versus Ultramarines - Game 9 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/1500-coven-versus-ultramarines_20.html)

[newtoncain]

Thanks for the report as always.

[Farseer Uthiliesh]

New Crap!

1500 Coven versus Ultramarines - Game 9 (http://awesomesaucestudio.blogspot.com/2010/12/1500-coven-versus-ultramarines_20.html)

Brilliant stuff!

[konate]

Hello?

[Cavscout]

Had my first game of DE vs chaos marines. 2k points, archon,2x5incubi,3xwyches,1xwarriors(20),2xravager s,6Xreavers(all in raiders except warriors). Chaos 3xplaguemarines/rhino,1xzerkers,3x3oblits,2xDP. Game was up in the air till round 3 when I realized Dlances would 1shot obliterators. 1 round of shooting killed them all. These reports helped alot. Thanks Buffo. Flicer fields and night shields are a must.

[Uncle Nutsy]

Good to read but I'm starting to miss the vid reports.

[Qinsane]

did Buffo die?

[BuFFo]

Good to read but I'm starting to miss the vid reports.

Well, I don't know if you are keeping up with my rather pathetic life on my blog, but Wed I go to see a doctor to see if I have ADHD, and if so, maybe get medication/help I need.

If all goes well, and I can keep focus on something for more than a week at a time, I will finish off my 45 games. I have roughly 20 games played and ready to have battle reports done for.

Trust me, I feel really bad about this, but the upside/downside of that is I don't care. See my problem? I should want to care.

Eh, we'll see in the coming weeks how this pans out.

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

Maybe we should all post up some battle reports to 'keep the coals warm' for when Buffo gets back on track? Let's give the guy a hand!

Got a battle tomorrow Vs Wolves again (part of a campaign), I'll see what I can do - will only be a written report, but meh!

[BuFFo]

Maybe we should all post up some battle reports to 'keep the coals warm' for when Buffo gets back on track? Let's give the guy a hand!

Got a battle tomorrow Vs Wolves again (part of a campaign), I'll see what I can do - will only be a written report, but meh!

What army do you play?

[DarkLink]

Trust me, I feel really bad about this, but the upside/downside of that is I don't care. See my problem? I should want to care.


No worries, it just means you're a sociopath;):p

[Unzuul the Lascivious]

What army do you play?

Dark Eldar dude! Been reading your 20 games and am trying to learn how to play with DE. Still can't get Daemon and Space WOlf tactics out of my head, so it's been a mixed bag of game results, but I've beaten every MArine army I've played except one marginal loss to Space Wolves in the first game of our campaign. I think I've got a good army list to face them now, though, at least in this battle. It's a lot to ask of my sole Ravager to take out three tanks, but after the massive fails in the last battle, I figure those gunners owe me big! The Raiders get Disintegrators, the Kabalites and Trueborn get Splinter weapon load outs and splinter racks, and my suicide mission Archon will ride up with her Incubi and slap that portal as near to their base as possible (Capture and Control mission), leaving his forces to ride towards my guns for as long as possible. Frankly, I really should have bought some Rhino for him, but at the time I bought my army I didn't think I needed them. So maybe I'll let him ride ten in the Razorback as a sporting gesture

[Uncle Nutsy]

Last night was the first time I got to try out Dark Eldar in Kill Team, and in a tournament no less.

I took in this:

Raider with Dissie cannon, Chainflails and Nightshields.
six trueborn. two with blasters and four with splintercannons.

Versus:

4 Warriors with deathspitters
1 Lictor (in reserve)

Tyranid player elected to place his models out in the open, behind some central terrain

I placed the raider next to a building, the blaster trueborn near the top of said building, behind a ledge, and the SC trueborn

Turn 1:
I move the raider beside the corner of the same building, towards his warriors. SC trueborn and blaster trueborn climb up to firing positions.

Warriors move forward, hoping to get in range of the raider.

no shooting. no assault.

Blaster Trueborn have line of sight to one warrior and and melt it into goo.

T2:

Warriors move again, have line of sight on the blaster trueborn and kill both. (I forgot about Power from Pain so I didn't roll for FNP. doh!) The third warrior fires at the raider and comes up short (go nightshields!). Lictor rolls for reserves and gets a three.

SC trueborn try and get into line of sight, open up with everything and only manage to wound once. Botch! Raider moves six inches, lets loose with the dissie and takes down another warrior.

T3:

Warriors move in further and try again on the Raider. Botch! Since none of the SC trueborn moved, they just blast away with 24 shots from the SC. Another warrior goes down and the second is just barely standing with one wound left.

T4:

the Lictor arrives. and tries to shoot the SC trueborn. this time I did remember the PfP and gave the trueborn their FNP token... but it didn't matter. the lictor still took down a trueborn with it's AP2 gun. the last warrior tries again to shoot the Raider. and botches.

Raider pilot, sensing that the warrior was near death, puts the pedal to the metal and just tears the warrior in two with the chainflails.

T5: Lictor fires again at the trueborn and takes down another. And for some reason, doesn't assault the last warrior left standing.

One lone remaining trueborn and raider concentrate fire on the lictor, and bring it down.

Second game comes around and I'm up against:

One Deathleaper.

So I deploy everything in as small an area as I can.

T1: I move the raider full out towards the other side of the board, next to a ruin. Deathleaper appears and kills a SC trueborn. disappears. I move the trueborn towards terrain.

T2: deathleaper appears and kills another SC truborn. but this time he sticks around for assault.

I open up with both blasters, killing it. and that's a win.

over in ten minutes.


Chainflails, nightshields and blaster trueborn are what won me both games.

[somerandomdude]

Considering the second opponent cheated, that's pretty good. :)

Note: Deathleaper vanishes in the movement phase, and unless there is something I don't understand about KT reserves don't show up until T2. It's designed so that he can't shoot and disappear. Unless you weren't be specific on the turns and "T1" was actually "T1-3".

[Uncle Nutsy]

This next tournament is going to be interesting. I'll try a mix of darklance toting warriors in a raider with a gang of hellions. It won't be until the 28th, though.

[Uncle Nutsy]

okay. I'm not the best at writing up detailed battle reports and this was three games at 500 points.

But I'll do the best I can to summarize them.

I took in ten kabalite warriors with cannon and blaster, a raider with TGL's, nightshields, flickerfields, splinter racks, nine hellions, a helliarch with splinterpistol and agonizer.

the people I faced did troop spam. Two nid players and a BA player. Only the BA player sported a vehicle and that was a single dreadnought toting dual bloodclaws, magna grapple and I THINK a heavy flamer + heavy bolter

Two draws, and one loss. Mainly because I was trying to table everyone, and two games were objective based.

My plan of attack was simple: cut off the head, and then deal with the body. This consisted of me going after a hive tyrant first and dealing with rippergaunts second in game one, going after the BA librarian with that brutal sword first and the marines + scouts second, warrior prime + warriors and then gaunts in the third game.

yeah you read right. in a 500 pt game, someone decided it would be a good idea to take in a hive tyrant worth almost 350 points.

We played the standard book missions: dawn of war, a seize ground, and annihilation third. The loss happened only because I didn't have any scoring units on an objective. I held the objective on the second one while the opponent was holding a different objective. The draw was the both of us simply running out of time due to a long drawn out multi-assault between hellions, a warrior brood + prime and about twenty five gaunts.

The raider was quite good in it's assigned role. One being to shoot a unit to the point where it was either half strength or at half the total wounds. I used this transport to do the latter, where the warriors inside killed a hive tyrant outright with one volley and to soften up a brood of warriors using both the warriors and the disintegrator cannon

Hellions are just an exceptional unit. If you're not into wyches or any other CC centric unit, these are the guys to take. Yes they're a tad on the expensive side, but they make up for it in terms of sheer flexibility and adaptability. Of course when you take the Baron in aswell, they can also hold an objective.

They're also great at softening up a unit before you mop them up. Get ten or eleven hellions within assault range, fire the pods, then rush in for assault. With their strength and attack bonuses, you'll be able to clean up a lot of units. Suddenly that big bad hive tyrant doesn't look so scary after he's taken three poison wounds before your charge. Two more unsaved wounds with the agonizer and that big chunk of meat falls dead.

They're not a powerhouse unit, they can still be taken down easily. but boy can they can wreck face. and once they get that one pain token, they go from looking like little weaklings on boards to something that causes the opponent to check his shorts.

[Uncle Nutsy]

again with another rolled-up-into-an-ichor-ball synopsis of dark eldar.

After three games, hellions once again came through on the clutch. I've divided the squad of ten into five each and with that change, I can pull off a multi assault. Not that I really need it, but it's there in case I do.

The raider, with just flickerfield and a full complement of warriors with just a blaster gives me that extra shooting I needed to soften up daemons and necrons to win it.

Blood angels on the other hand, especially the sanguinary guard / drago mix, proved to be the toughest opponent I faced with this loadout, and it made me seriously consider a jetfighter for that alpha strike that I now need.

Necrons this time, turned out to be a little different. It was a lord on foot with a much larger compliment of warriors. The opponent did a better job of keeping his lord alive by packing him in with a large squad, but after my hellions got into CC with them, his squad didn't last very long.

Daemons weren't that difficult for me. I shot his masque to bits with the troop carrying raider, shot his blood letters with both the hellions and the raider, but his pink horrors didn't show up unto the very end of the game. those went down with shooting from the raider AND the hellions. By the time the shooting was done, a squad of fifteen horrors was reduced to five. Assault was where they were cleaned up. Now if I kept my hellions anywhere near those blood letters, I would just kiss that unit goodbye. Hellions go after horrors, raider shoots the blood letters. never the other way around.

One thing to note during this game was the warriors and hellions FORGOT how to shoot straight. I saw so many ones and twos that game it was ridiculous. Overall, I had two wins and one draw, giving me the title by half a point.

[Drew da Destroya]

I really appreciate that you're keeping this thread going, Uncle Nutsy.

I had a game about a week ago, vs Craftworld Eldar. 1 objective in each deployment zone. My Incubi and Archon got blown out of their Venom turn one, and all of the Incubi died to subsequent shooting, but the Archon was able to eat a 10-man Avenger squad alive before getting assaulted by Banshees. Unfortunately, my Shadowfield shorted out after the first round, but I was able to stay alive long enough for my Wyches to charge in and tie the banshees up for the rest of the game.

Unfortunately, he parked a Wave Serpent on top of each objective, and my lances just couldn't seem to roll above a 2 when I hit them. I had also attempted to deep strike some Scourge with Heat Lances, who ended up showing up late, mishapping, and getting placed in the middle of nowhere by my opponent. Not that the heat lances would've helped much, unless I got to back armor... stupid Wave Serpent shields!

[BuFFo]

Wait.. What?

People are still posting in this thing? lol

I guess I should change the title and purpose of this thread!

Have at it!

[Uncle Nutsy]

heh. well, someone has to keep the ball rolling.

[Uncle Nutsy]

came up with two new potential lists and posted both in the army lists forum.

we'll see how things go when the next tourney on the 24th happens. It'll either be with a venom or a talos.