New vs Old Incubi

[eldargal]

http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1251829_99110112047_DEIncubiretinuemain_873x627.j pg

http://www.warseer.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=97257&d=1285490844

What do the Incubi think of this change? Let's ask them:

"Oh its splendid, awfully tired of the old look. One can only carry off the hydrocephalic-mutant-penis-head look for so long, isn't that right, Charles?"

"Quite so, Henry old boy, I'm also rather relieved I no longer look like a lycra-clad Chav wearing a hockey mask as well."

There you have it.:rolleyes:

[BuFFo]

I didn't think GW could improve on one of the best model designs in the GW model line, ever.

Boy was I wrong.

I love the new models.

[Tynskel]

yeah, I agree--- penis heads should be switched to the Tyranids completely. They are the ones that spew stuff from all of their orifices.

[fuzzbuket]

i love the old ones i hope they keep them just as COLLECTERS!

[Bigred]

I just realized the Incubi blades have 2 additional handles along the blade in addition to the hilt.

So they are kind of a combo two-handed sword and Klingon Bat'leth. Makes me think of a very unique martial-arts fighting style, at Eldar lightning speed.

Cool

[sonsoftaurus]

I like the old Incubi, they were the best figs from the original DE range, though maybe that's damning by faint praise.

I like the new ones overall, but don't care for the "Uruk-hai" type blades, and think that with the horns they're leaning a little further into Chaos territory. But given the new Mandrake fluff maybe that's where they're being taken.

[Mr.Pickelz]

i was hoping they would update their pole-arm(halberds?) weapons instead of replacing them, but the new ones do look wicked(and by that i mean awesome). anyone know if they will only have those swords? or other weapons... i saw that the sarge dude gets 2 swords in the rules that were posted, but for weapon options on the squad..

[Drew da Destroya]

I like the new ones overall, but don't care for the "Uruk-hai" type blades, and think that with the horns they're leaning a little further into Chaos territory. But given the new Mandrake fluff maybe that's where they're being taken.

Well, it's been pretty established that Ahra did fall to Chaos (as opposed to going Dark), even described as summoning daemons to attack the first Aspect Temple (I believe this came out of the Path of the Warrior book... Black Library, so canon suspect, but still pretty accepted). And Ahra went on to found the Incubi, so it makes some sense for them to be a little Chaos-tinged.

I kinda like the idea behind the new Mandrakes, too. They're originally described as being "the most malevolent of the dark eldar", "preying on their own kind" and "beasts who crave flesh and blood and little else". Plus, they had the Shadow Skinned rule, which always put them in cover because their flesh blended in with the background. Making them part-daemons actually makes some sense, and why a race of otherwise jaded, overstimulated, murder-and-rape happy Eldar are a disturbed by them.

Sex with Daemons? Pretty much the ultimate Eldar Taboo.

[BuFFo]

And Ahra went on to found the Incubi, so it makes some sense for them to be a little Chaos-tinged.

Where do you get this from?

[Archon]

I like the old ones better and will keep them. Keepin in mind, that their design ist somewhat about 12+ years old, they are pretty dynamic and very cool n evil with their skull-like-heads (if you see something cocky in them - go ask yourself a question).

The knew ones are not ugly, indeed the are cool too and the new weapon looks interesting. It´s mainly the horns i don´t like, the look like WFB-DE that are gone to the choas wastelands, chaos warriors without the usual bulky form. If the four poses - all we get (assuming a leader is in the box too) - then we have less poses then the old ones. Oh and i miss the female one (female incubie - ohoh).

[Lockark]

I just read the blog post on GW today. I guess the heads for these guys are going to be separate from the bodies and interchangeable with the plastic kits. (The Leader unit has heads and arms interchangeable with the plastic kits.)


This should be good news to any people out there who don't like the new heads. You can just use left over heads from your warriors/wytchs.

Personally I love the horned helmets, but glade to know I can swap a few of them for helmeted heads to add some veration to my units.


It's accualy the trophy racks I don't like. I'd rather glue thows little leader/samurai flags onto there backs from the other kits.

[Drew da Destroya]

It's pretty heavily hinted, although I don't believe it's outright stated anywhere. Most recently, it's hinted at in Path of the Warrior, and I'm pretty sure there are older sources, but none come to mind immediately. Possibly an older version of the Eldar codex?

They're equipped fairly similarly (Heavy powered armor, helmet-mounted weapons, predilection towards CC), and even fit the idea of the original Scorpions under Ahra (described as "Murderous nature" and "relish[ing] the hunt"). Incubi are certainly murderous, but don't have any of the stealth that Karandras instilled in the current Scorpions.

They're even being described as being "closest to the Eldar Aspect warriors" in some of GW's recent comments regarding the updated models.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Incubi#Dark_Father gives pretty much all the information in one place.

I'll give you that I probably should have said "Since Ahra may have gone on [...]", but it's my feeling that he is the Dark Father of the Incubi, so I tend to think of them from that perspective.

[HarlekissofDeath]

Not sure the specifics on it, because I don't have the codex in front of me, but the old DE codex as a story/ blurb about a squad of striking scorpions running into a group of incubi, and I think it says that the scorpion exarch goes red with rage at the sight of his fallen brothers, and attacks, the incubi.

Just another little hint or bone you might say to show how Ahra could be the fallen father.

But as to the topic of the post, i love the new incubi, and i am glad they switched to the two handed swords instead of the spear/ halberd type weapon they had before.

if the heads are interchageble that is even more of a plus, because i love to customize and try to add my own little touch to my armies.

I personally wish this codex, and model range had come out last year, because i would have picked DE instead of Eldar as my first army. But they will make a great second army, and the icing on the cake is my favorite models in the Eldar army (the harlequins) are usable in the dark eldar army.

Happy Days!!!

[Mike X]

"Oh its splendid, awfully tired of the old look. One can only carry off the hydrocephalic-mutant-penis-head look for so long, isn't that right, Charles?"

You have a really dirty mind. They just look like scorpion tails attached to their helmets... I don't see any penis similarities at all.

[Drew da Destroya]

You have a really dirty mind. They just look like scorpion tails attached to their helmets... I don't see any penis similarities at all.

Have you met Eldargal before? She's kinda famous for "racy" quotes these days.

[Keldain]

lol, not to be out of line, but she can post "racy quotes" all she wants as far as I'm concerned, haha.

Getting on topic: I really do like the updated Incubi models, they just look so damn gorgeous and make me want to follow the path of the Dark Kin so much more. =)

[eldargal]

I did specify 'mutant penis'.:p Besides, it was just a joke, I just tried to think of the silliest interpretations of the old sculpts I could, as they are really quite good.

I love the old sculpts, but the new ones really are fantastic. I'm thinking I might strip my old Incubi and use them as statues on a Dark Eldar terrain piece.


You have a really dirty mind. They just look like scorpion tails attached to their helmets... I don't see any penis similarities at all.

:cool:


Have you met Eldargal before? She's kinda famous for "racy" quotes these days.

[JonnyRoxtar]

I was going to keep the old ones. They really do look dated now though compared to the new ones. Having said that My favourite unit of old which used to be the best looking squad is now the worst looking squad.
Thats not a bad thing though cos it will give me something to convert in my new DE army. Head swaps and new weapons at least.

[Mike X]

I did specify 'mutant penis'.:p Besides, it was just a joke, I just tried to think of the silliest interpretations of the old sculpts I could, as they are really quite good.

Ah, I was going to say, what the hell kind of penises have YOU been encountering?!

[DelphicFist]

What do the Incubi think of this change? Let's ask them:

"Oh its splendid, awfully tired of the old look. One can only carry off the hydrocephalic-mutant-penis-head look for so long, isn't that right, Charles?"

"Quite so, Henry old boy, I'm also rather relieved I no longer look like a lycra-clad Chav wearing a hockey mask as well."

There you have it.:rolleyes:


Penis helms eh? :p


I like the new Incubi much better myself. Maybe change the horns.

[Sangre]

I'm just generally flabbergasted at the whole new range; they're lush!

[RocketRollRebel]

I didn't think GW could improve on one of the best model designs in the GW model line, ever.

Boy was I wrong.

I love the new models.

true fact. High fives all around at GW for the new DE range! Now will I take the plunge...

[Old_Paladin]

I used to like the older versions a lot (they are the very best of an otherwise pretty bad bunch).
But they cannot compare to the new versions; they just look so bad*ss. They leave no doubt that they would storm up to anything a cleave it in half with those weapons.

[Lordgimpet]

The old Icubi did look great in the day but the new ones outclass them in every way.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the helmets as they are and will probably convert them to blades or swap them out for something else entirely.

As for Ahara, nothing ive seen is concrete that he created the incubi, little info was given in the 2nd ed Eldar codex but that just refered to him as fallen to chaos and known as the fallen, the DE codex refers to a dark father. and some people drew their conclusions, the story in the DE codex can be interpreted to give credit to this also, but if I recall the story there are no other DE in the conflict to make the Iccubi appear to be singled out etc. still each to their own. as a result over time more and more with the belief that it is true
may bend the writers hand.. a case of if you build it they will come.

What has me curious is what they mean by demons for the mandrakes, as from human (imperial) perspective the Avatar is a daemon, and should they be chaos daemons why are harlequins available?
the same goes if the Incubi have horns and are Mercs because of chaos influence, why the Harlequins have not wiped them out already.
Probably something my simple monkey can't understand as written in the book of Rhana Dandra (prolly spelt wrong) :P

[eldargal]

Well, as you say the avatar is a daemon, clearly not all daemons are beholden to the Chaos gods in the same way not all gods are Chaos gods even if they are all beings of the immaterium. Harlequins grudge is with Chaos, not with daemons in general I would imagine. Incubi thus could have daemonic elements without necesarily being Chaos worshippers as some people are trying to make them.
REgarding Ahra, personally I hope we never find out for sure, but it does seem likely Ahra founded the Incubi.

[eldargal]

Spoiler hehe:






Drazhar's mysterious appearance gave rise to many wild theories and unanswered questions. after weeks of rumor and and gossip, it was confirmed that none of the incubi shrines across Commoragh had ever heard of Drazhar, or recognised his unique and ancient battle gear. Some say he is Arhra, the fabled Dark father of the incubi incarnate, others say his armour is filled with nothing more than bone-dust"

[Drew da Destroya]

Point for Arhra!

[Melissia]

The weapons, especially, I think look cooler.

[w7west]

I will, of course, be buying the new incubi, and then simply replacing their heads with the heads of my old incubi. Problem solved!